Swift, Brown, and Fun With Logos


Stromile Swift just signed with the Houston Rockets for the mid level exception. Swift is 4 years younger than Jerome James, and has a career Player Efficiency Rating that is 5.6 points higher. James has a higher block rate and better shooting percentage, and that’s it. Swift is better in every other category including half the foul rate. I’m not going to say that Isiah could have signed him, because Swift might have preferred Houston over New York. But how did the two end up with the same salary? You’d at least think that somehow the Knicks could have gotten a better deal. That’s like buying a Big Mac & finding out a Jackson Hole 7oz burger is the same price.

Hearing about Larry Brown and the Pistons, did any New Yorkers have flashbacks to Bill Parcels? I’m not going to say that Brown would solve all of New York’s problems, but I will say that Parcels did turn around the Jets. If it wasn’t for him, I’m convinced the Jets would rival the Arizona Cardinals for futility in the NFL.


So the Detroit Pistons have designed a “new” logo:

As you can see it looks almost exactly like their old logo. Is someone going to tell me that people prefer a logo that:
* is simple
* uses primary colors instead of pastels
* doesn’t have a horse
* doesn’t have automobile exhausts
* doesn’t have flames coming out of the above mentioned horse and exhausts
* has legible text instead of oddly angled 3d fonts

My theory is that they had this logo for years, but since it looked so much like their old logo, they needed something garish in-between. And I’m sure the owners of the Pistons are upset that everyone who bought a jersey, hat, t-shirt, bobblehead doll, beer cozy, etc. may feel the need to rid themselves of the old item & purchase a brand new one.

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13 thoughts to “Swift, Brown, and Fun With Logos”

  1. on JJ: my beef with the james contract is length more than money. i think at less than the MLE he would’ve re-signed with seattle so it’s unlikely he’d have come to NY for less $. however, i think isiah should’ve been prepared to say, “3 years or no dice. there’s no market for you at more than 3 years; not in seattle, not in portland, nowhere,” and then wait him out. a 30 year old center that is not really a jump shooter and who struggles with weight and conditioning is a prime candidate for injury. james may never play well enough to justify what he makes but four seasons from now he’s as likely to be out of the league as in it.

    on LB: if the pistons ask for insane compensation (e.g., 2-3 first round picks over the next couple seasons) i might be inclined to pass. it’s interesting, KB, that you mentioned parcells. the knicks, it seems to me, are in a situation analagous to parcells in dallas where it’s taken him longer to rebuild than he thought. if the knicks can’t continue to stockpile quality young players over the next couple seasons brown may not be worth it. it’s unlikely he’ll stick around long enough for a real rebuilding project.

    if the pistons demand a clause where larry cannot coach NY this upcoming season and the knicks plan to pursue him then they should fire herb now. i’d hate to see him enter as a lame duck. they could let aguirre coach the upcoming season while they negotiate with brown.

  2. after giving the larry-brown-to-NY articles the quick once over what i find interesting is the rhetorical stance taken by most journalists covering the story. apparently to write a column someone must be angry or aggreived about something. so this story has been all about jilted lovers, devotion vs wanderlust, etc. since brown mused aloud about the knick job being a dream job several months ago.

    i suppose that sex (or at least sex analogies) and betrayal make for the best copy in journalism but i ask, is there truly an aggrieved party here? abrupt departures are the nature of the business. players get dealt all the time, sometimes after forcing a trade. brown has essentially forced a trade just as a player might. is he selfish? well, duh? but this same pistons team fired rick carlisle for doing nothing but winning, all in search of a prettier prom date. so i can hardly buy the pistons as the “jilted lover” here. understandably there’s much posturing happening on both sides, but this is two parties both trolling for the best deal.

    like i said, my concern from the knicks’ standpoint is that they don’t leave herb in an unwinnable position. if he’s a knick lifer, content to eventually stay on as a brown assistant then fine. if he wants to coach and be on the market then let him go now. don’t leave him as a lame duck coach trying to convince marbury and crawford to defend. that’ll be hard enough for larry if/when he comes.

  3. Hey, the New York Sun is offering Hollinger’s take on the Brown to New York scenario for free (shh!) –click on it before it becomes a subscriber special.

    P.S., he’s kinda sorta pretty much against it, despite some obvious upsides…

  4. Yeah, Swift is much more athletic and at the beginning of the offseason I was begging for him to come to the Knicks…but he’s also 6’9. I understand that Stoudamare seems to be the new standard of how a center should be. Still, Swift would’ve been adding yet another PF and unless you thought about a trade following a signing like Swift, it wouldn’t have made any sense for the Knicks to make it.

  5. That was my impression too, and while I assume James will either a) be a stiff or b) be an adequate role player, which won’t be enough for Knicks fans who will boo, leading to his becoming a stiff, he may make more sense in that he can at some level just be plopped in the lane and give the Knicks the resemblance of a traditional center while they try to figure out if Frye or Jackie Butler (I never saw him play, is there any hope?) and Lee can play or not. I would assume Mo Taylor, who I don’t hate as much as everyone else here, is going to get some minutes as he is the one name not being brought up in trade talks. Despite his rebounding anemia (and didn’t he rebound better with the Knicks than he had in years?) I don’t find him the defensive stiff some say, and he has moves in the paint. So I think we may have to stop looking at all available 6’8-6’9 guys for a while until we figure out what to do with the multitude we have…

  6. I suspect that Swift signed with Houston so he could play PF full-time next to Yao. Typically, guys his size don’t enjoy playing center because they end up getting banged around by real centers.

  7. Channing Frye will never be any good. I can’t think of one decent center he had to play against in college, and I watch a lot of the Pac-10. Couple that with the fact that teams had to defend the perimeter against Salim, and you get a scenario of a decent college C/PF who didn’t play against big, NBA style C with teams having to constantly shadow Salim, leaving the lane open for lanky, soft Channing. Sorry. I am often wrong though.

  8. I might be in the minority but I actually agree with Hollinger. Does anyone think Brown will honor a five-year contract or believe him when he says this is his final stop?

  9. As difficult as it is to disagree with Hollinger, though he makes compelling points, I think Harvey Araton’s piece in the NY Times is a better take on Brown-to-NY rumors: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/20/sports/basketball/20araton.html (free registration req’d)

    I think there are two times when coaching in the NBA has the biggest marginal payoff: 1. when a team is on the cusp (this is what phil jackson specializes in); 2. when a team is directionless and floundering. I think LB really does his best work under the second condition. So I’m not at all convinced that Brown would absolutely refuse to sign on to a turnaround project especially now that he’s won his ring. Larry’s not Phil Jackson. And it’s not as if LB hasn’t done this before in LA and NJ. As Araton aptly quotes the Pacers’ Donnie Walsh, “They used to say Larry hated veterans and would only coach kids he could mold.” LB played a 21-22 year old Iverson. He also rescued Tayshaun Prince from Rick Carlisle’s dungeon in Prince’s 2nd year, moving Corliss Williamson to the bench permanently. He made it clear that Prince should have played sooner under Carlisle, though by that time it was plain to everyone except Carlisle. So I also don’t buy the “Larry hates young guys” line. I think his refusal to play Darko had a lot to do with the fact that Brown wanted a player who could help immediately; not a project. Brown would play an 8th grader if he thought the kid would pass and play hard on defense. That alone virtually ensures that the 3 rooks will play on a team with starters who are notoriously allergic to defense.

    Should Brown sign on with the Knicks it seems inconceivable that he’d have any real illusions about whether this is a rebuilding project, nor about what the Knicks can reasonably do to upgrade the roster in the near term. The key, I think, is whether Brown would regard the situation as winnable.

    I suspect his considerable ego will have him thinking that outside of Miami, Detroit, and Indy no one else in the East is without major flaws that his coaching prowess couldn’t overcome. “In two years,” I’m sure he’d think, “I could challenge for a top 4 seed and put the team in contention. Then I could exit gracefully, handing the baton to my hand-picked successor.”

    Of course – I think Hollinger and I would agree – this is an ultra optimistic scenario; likely fool’s gold. However, I’m less convinced than Hollinger that this would leave the Knicks worse off in 5 years financially or otherwise than they are now. (With LB as coach the MLE might attract better talent than Jerome James.) Nor am I convinced that the surer or safer road out of mediocrity goes through Paul Westphal or Flip Saunders. I see the Westphals, Sauders, McMillans, and Mo Cheeks of the world as much more likely to find success following Larry Brown than preceeding him. 2-3 seasons with Brown, even given the inevitably messy divorce, could quite reasonably find the Knicks in much better shape for the next guy to keep things on track or possibly improve.

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