Recap: Knicks 78, Heat 95

A few minutes into the third quarter, I was emotionally prepared to chalk this up to a quick recap, and toss-up a funny picture or two. Unfortunately, Mike beat me to the the post. Luckily, this game was a complete and utter disaster, so I don’t think anyone could fault me for kicking things off with a ‘too long, didn’t read’ version of the recap:

This was without question the Knicks worst all-around effort of the season, and perusing the box score belies how poorly the team played on both ends of the court. One might look at the Heat’s 38.3 FG% and see that Wade and Bosh shot a combined 8 of 28 from the field, and assume that the defense showed up. Those numbers, however, are far more indicative of the Heat struggling on offense than the Knicks playing lock-down defense.

The Knicks allowed what felt like dozens of wide open shots from the rim to out past the arc, and, by some stroke of serendipity, the Heat missed a good chunk of those looks. Bosh missed open jumpers, Wade muffed a lay-up, Dragic and Deng missed open three pointers on the same possession, so on and so forth … and yet they still managed to score 95 points (2.7 points below their season average). Why? Second chance points and ball movement, mostly, as well as a healthy dose of friendly calls by the referees.

I do find it necessary to point out that the Heat did benefit from at least two foul calls against Porzingis that are best described as malarkey (which is one of my favorite words). The first came when the Latviathan contested a Bosh jumper, and their arm hair intertwined every so gently. The referee waited to see if the ball went in and then to see who got the rebound before blowing the whistle. A bit later, Porzingis went for the ball as Wade lackadaisically dribbled it up the court. Wade reacted by halting his dribble and berating the referee until he called a foul – and I remain shocked that he called a reach-in on Porzingis, as opposed to a technical foul on Wade. It was truly a sight to behold.

But I digress. The Knicks defense was slow to react and sloppy, which is never a winning combination. They botched rotations, didn’t hustle back in transition, and flat-out gave up after a few offensive rebounds. It was a flashback into the dying days of the 2014-15 Knicks, which is something I was hoping I would never see again.

Amazingly, the offense was even worse. The team shot 16.7% from 3 (4 of 24), which includes a 3 for 5 effort by Porzingis. Langston Galloway ran into regression headfirst, missing all five of his attempts from deep (as did Anthony). To the Heat’s credit, they did chase the Knicks shooters around the perimeter, and contested shots with their length (Winslow and the punchable-faced Tyler Johnson were menaces out there). But the Knicks missed plenty of open looks, too, and took questionable shots early in the shot clock throughout the game.

Most recaps will focus on the second quarter, and with good reason – the Knicks were held to 11 points. That’s not a typo. They were 4 of 18 from the field (0 for 5 from 3), and, to steal a phrase from NBA Jam, couldn’t buy a bucket. They missed floaters and hook shots, lay-ups and jumpers, and didn’t even attempt a dunk. The team as a whole seemed to give up on moving the ball around, chucking up shots as soon as the Heat closed out.

These were not the Knicks that we saw win four in a row tonight. And, stepping back a bit, that’s okay. They were playing a very good team on the road, and the Heat have long had their number on their turf. And there are a few positives. Porzingis played strong individual defense on Bosh, and put up an impressive 20 and 14 with 2 blocks, a steal, and only one turnover. The team played with fire after Whiteside mugged Lopez under the rim, and Anthony sniped at him a bit. And Vujacic only played three minutes.

So ended the Knicks four game winning streak. But we still have Porzingis to be grateful for in this young season, and that’s far more than we had a year ago.

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66 thoughts to “Recap: Knicks 78, Heat 95”

  1. Sorry for the delay in this going up, Domenic. The notification was in my spam folder for some reason.

  2. POORzingis last night? His WS/48 rose from .149 before Heat game to .151 after.

    I posted this early yesterday morning but it got lost when all those new threads hit. I think not only may we check the 3FG% box but Sharczingis been scary good in that respect over the last 11 games:

    Before Last Night’s Game in Which He Shot 60% from 3
    Last 10 games – 35.7
    Last 9 games – 37.5
    Last 8 games – 40.0
    Last 7 games – 41.2
    Last 6 games – 43.8
    Last 5 games – 46.7
    Last 4 games – 54.5
    Last 3 games – 71.4

  3. You know, that was a pretty solid line from the Latviathan. Missed most of the game, was expecting something ugly. Kept the ts% over 50% with just one turnover….

    So great to actually have someone like him on the team. It’s insane. There literally hasn’t been someone like this on the Knicks, a legit young talent you can believe in, since…..

    When was the last time we had someone like KP on the team? Anyone between him and Ewing?

  4. Sorry for the delay in this going up, Domenic. The notification was in my spam folder for some reason.

    No worries – it’s never too late to check out a dumpster fire.

  5. They got stomped because they didn’t try hard. It was embarrassing.

    The effort from whenever they were tied at 17 to the end of the first half was wretched, both for the bench and for the starters (except Rolo) when they came back. Visually it was just stunning, in a bad way. As soon as they came out for the third they were back to being their lovable scrappy selves. The game was never in doubt and the Heat just coasted at that point, but it was good to see them recover their pride.

    I love the team, but I hope to never see that effort level from them again.

    I am changing my nickname for Vujacic from Hairnet to The Voyeur. He seems to prefer watching his man to guarding him.

  6. When was the last time we had someone like KP on the team? Anyone between him and Ewing?

    No, not really. The closest would probably be Camby, who came here two years removed from being the #2 pick. So it really has been since Ewing that the Knicks have had a young top four player on their team. And it’s like, dudes, this is why you rebuild, to get these guys! It is so much fun to have one of these guys on your team. The Durants, the Westbrooks, the Davises, the Thabeets (okay, not the Thabeets – that was more a reminder that it also helps when you are drafting in a really great draft).

  7. “it also helps when you are drafting in a really great draft).”
    When was the last time that there were four guys 6’11” or taller taken in the first 7 picks, and all four look like they are going to be really good? I can’t remember any other draft like that.

  8. When was the last time that there were four guys 6’11” or taller taken in the first 7 picks, and all four look like they are going to be really good? I can’t remember any other draft like that.

    It’s freaking in-sane. Awesome for us, but overall, in-sane. Winslow looked pretty decent last night, right? Dude was taken tenth!! I honestly think that at least six of the guys taken this year would have gone #1 in the Bennett draft and I think that there was a chance that upwards of four of them (and definitely two of them) would have been taken #1 in the Wiggins draft. It was just an awesome draft. As far as big men, you’re right, this could be a uniquely special draft in that regard.

  9. I wonder if Orlando will keep their small line up against the Knicks. Tobias on Porzin6is and Oladipo/Fournier on Me7o.

  10. Not to play the what-if game…no, I’m going to play that game.

    If the Knicks had had a reasonable 2nd quarter this would have been a game. I say this because even when they played lethargically like last night, they were in it. They just went ice cold and then it snowballed.

    Yes. This was an awesome draft. And we got two first round picks out of it. I dare say that had this been a typical year, Jerian Grant might have been a late lottery pick. From what I’m reading, the 2016 draft is not good. Boston has 3 picks in the top 13. I guess I should be relieved?

  11. Ben Simmons looks unreal though. He’s 6’10” and appears to do everything completely effortlessly. Unbelievable shot creator and a demon in the transition game, and also a fine passer. Reminds me of LeBron.

  12. Typical idiotic headline from idiotic reporter Mark Berman: “Knicks’ other top pick has already hit the rookie wall”

    Well, first of all, he wasn’t our top pick, he was Atlanta’s. Secondly, to suggest any rookie “hits the wall” after 15 games is a bit premature.

    Well done, Mark, do they pay you for this?

  13. Yeah, while the 2016 Draft doesn’t look like it has a ton of depth, but Simmons looks like an absolute legit star. So that’s why it is awesome that Brooklyn’s terrible start isn’t even as terrible as the Lakers or Sixers, so hopefully Boston doesn’t end up with Simmons.

  14. On the other hand I checked THJ’s stats and see none for this season. Has he been a daily DNP-CD/inactive?

  15. @12 – You beat me to the punch. Berman takes the lead for a-hole reporter of the year.

    @14 – Yes. THJr’s riding the pine.

  16. I’m okay with the loss. The Heat are very good and we had 3 games in 4 nights in 3 different cities. They looked like they had no legs. Galloway and Lance both hustle their asses off, and they seemed to have no lift on their shots.

    Friday night Knicks vs. Heat should be a better game, but I still don’t expect a win. The Heat are simply better than us from #1-#9 except for Melo, and they defend him very well. Barring injury (and that’s their biggest concern…Wade and Bosh especially…they are a 55 win team.

    Tomorrow night is much more telling. Orlando is much improved but young and vulnerable. Would love to see us pull that one out to cap a 3-1 road trip!

  17. Anyone know what Galloway’s free agency status is this Summer? He was an undrafted free agent so I feel like he should be an unrestricted free agent but Lin was also an UDFA and he was a restricted free agent.

    Also, @Owen. You could make a case for Gallinari. Also, the time we should have drafted Artest instead of Weis.

  18. @18 I think they discussed the nuances on yesterday’s thread. I’m not really sure myself.

    Also does anyone want to see Cle get some more burn. I think Fishers bench rotations,have kinda screwed them up. There’s no consistency. Idk it just confuses me

  19. I like Ben Simmons a lot, but I don’t think he has legit star written all over him necessarily–he’s got some question marks in the very small sample and the question marks are the kinds that might not ensure a seamless transition into NBA basketball. He’s marvelously athletic, has great handle, and fantastic court vision but lacks effort/awareness on defense by relying too much on his athleticism and often gets bullied in the post even by players smaller than him (eg. Henry Ellenson).

    The biggest, most obvious question mark though is his total lack of shot-making ability, or, rather, the total mystery of his shot-making ability; the kid hasn’t taken a 3 and lives on layups, so we don’t know almost anything about his shot beyond his good FT%. But if his shot is underdeveloped/broken, that’s scary, because NBA defenses will just sag off on him and force him to shoot, and he won’t be able to parlay his athleticism into layups nearly as easily in the NBA. Simmons is a fantastic athlete, but he’s still less athletic than the young LeBron who, because he was simply unstoppable at the rim and in transition, didn’t even need to develop an outside shot until later on, and so it’s not a sure thing that his raw athleticism will pay the dividends that it’s currently paying against relatively subpar competition. His ball-dominant style of play also demands a particular kind of team (i.e. a team with players that can shoot) which is limiting. 90% of these nitpicks are predicated on the assumption that his mid-range/long-range game is not up to par, though.

    That being said, I’d still take a LeBron that plays mediocre defense and can’t shoot from outside over most players in most drafts. But until we see more games it’s not immediately obvious to me that Ben Simmons has legit star plastered all over him in the same way Towns (a complete package) does/did as opposed to just “very good player”.

    Simmons should definitely still be the #1 pick until the other candidates prove themselves however.

  20. Addendum: I don’t mean to assert that Simmons is all hype or anything because he’s looked utterly fantastic but he’s got some question marks that need answering before people start anointing him LeBron 2.0 (not meaning to assert that JK was implying that)

  21. I agree that he isn’t nearly the prospect that Towns was, but few prospects are ever as good as Towns was. Simmons, though, so far in college has produced much better results than similar recent prospects like Wiggins and Parker (unlike those two, Simmons is dominating the way a guy with his rare size and skills should, where he’s basically the size of a college center but moves like a guard – guys like that should dominate against smaller players in college, and Simmons has done so – dude has a .621 TS% and a 32% defensive rebound rate!!), so I think he has a better chance to succeed in the NBA than those two guys and Wiggins was a #1 pick, ya know? I think “better Andrew Wiggins” is a legit star. But yes, just like how the actual Andrew Wiggins needs to shoot better to become a star himself, “better than Andrew Wiggins” should shoot better, as well.

  22. What’s the point of buying NBA League Pass if every Warriors game is a national broadcast? Do they really expect me to buy cable? It’s 2015.

  23. @24

    That’s the only reason I have cable now. The fucking NBA TV games aren’t even on league pass which is a sham

  24. So I’m watching the Westchester game and am impressed with Travis Trice. I liked him in the preseason too. He’s a point guard that can dish and score. Let’s see if he can guard…

  25. Anyone know how Ndour’s rehab is going? We sure have plenty of room on the ship to give someone a shot. Never to Early to start trying out some guys over players like Vujacic and Seraphin who have proven over 5000+ NBA minutes that they aren’t replacement plus players. Lance Thomas has played some good perimeter defense this year (despite 0 blocks and only 3 steals) , but no player in the history of the NBA has played 1000 minutes with a TRB% and AST% below 5%. Derrick Williams only has 1.5 plus skills and we really aren’t a great fit for it because we don’t run enough. Now that we have a bit more reason for optimism and no draft pick, tooling around with the bench is a little more important.

  26. @24, Lakers/Warrior will be way on twitter than on TV anyway. Following @netw3rk, @haralbob and @basquiatball is the modern version of hiding under your covers and listening on the radio, plus you don’t have to watch Byron Scott.

  27. @24, Lakers/Warrior will be way on twitter than on TV anyway. Following @netw3rk, @haralbob and @basquiatball is the modern version of hiding under your covers and listening on the radio, plus you don’t have to watch Byron Scott.

    The Room and Showgirls are two of my favorite movies, so watching Byron Scott is like an unscripted, live-action version of that genre.

    Like, you know the scene where Elizabeth Berkeley flails all over Kyle McLaughlin in the swimming pool, but she’s actually trying to make it look good? That’s Byron Scott.

  28. From what I’m reading, the 2016 draft is not good.

    Yeah, but the 2014 draft was supposed to be great, and it’s been pretty mediocre so far in reality. And we’re only 15 games in to judging this draft, which does look particularly fruitful, but there are always Brandon Jennings/Channing Frye/Michael Carter-Williams types that peak in the opening months of their rookie years, so we’ll see.

    BUT – though I haven’t seen him play yet, it sure seems like the Knicks got themselves a good one!

  29. Yeah, but the 2014 draft was supposed to be great, and it’s been pretty mediocre so far in reality.

    It was supposed to be great going into the 2013-14 NCAA season, but by the time the actual draft came around, it was not supposed to be great since the top three players going into the college hoops season (Wiggins, Parker and Randle) all struggled and the one guy who stood out during the NCAA season (Embiid) got a significant injury. So it was not considered a good draft going into the actual draft, unlike the 2015 Draft.

  30. The Room and Showgirls are two of my favorite movies, so watching Byron Scott is like an unscripted, live-action version of that genre.

    You’re tearing me apaaaart, Kobe!

    I used to go regularly to midnight screenings of “The Room” when it still played in West Hollywood. Seeing it in person with all the insane audience participation happening is the greatest thing ever. Tommy Wiseau would usually show up for a little Q&A session before the movie. They moved it to Westwood but it’s a lot more tame unfortunately. They don’t let you throw around the football or smoke joints in the theater anymore.

  31. If you’re going to be fair you should point out that the Knicks missed a ton of open jumpers as well. It was the 3rd game in 4 nights, on the road, after staying 2 nights in South Beach, while it was the 7th home game in a row for Miami. No surprise at the Knicks lethargy and futility.

  32. Westchester now undefeated in five games. Coach Miller is excellent. Trice can really shoot, dribble and pass!

  33. @24 and 25
    We cut the cable tv cord last June and do not miss it. Now, we have SlingTV for $20 per month via Roku, and it includes ESPN, ESPN 2, TNT, and TBS for some sports for me. We still have (and have long had) Netflix and Amazon Prime (we buy a lot from Amazon). Over the air we get all the major networks for my wife in very nice HD for free. Our 2 sons (22 and 15) never watch major TV networks or cable channels. The times they are a changing.

    Saving about $100 per month over what we were paying.

    I do buy the MLB package and am back this year with the NBA (Team Pass…Knicks only). However, no NBA TV for us. It SHOULD be part of the League Pass, though.

    There are, um, alternative ways to see NBA TV games on the Internet. ;-)

  34. Who was it from Westchester that tore his achilles and is out for the year?? Was it Summers??

  35. Who was it from Westchester that tore his achilles and is out for the year?? Was it Summers??

    Yes, Summers.

  36. Completely off topic, but does anyone else want to play Derrick Williams 48 minutes just to see how many people he can single handedly get to foul out?

  37. A commenter on Herring’s piece suggested Sasha being a former teammate of Fisher plays a role in his playing time. Anyone think that’s actually the case?

  38. more likely outcome to this game

    Kobe draws a gun on a teammate in the locker room

    Kobe retires immediately following the press conference

    (push?)

  39. Steven Curry needs to realize that driving is not good if he wants to win 75 games this year, he should just take pull-up 3s for the rest of the night, like a competitive shootaround

  40. more likely outcome to this game

    Kobe draws a gun on a teammate in the locker room

    Kobe retires immediately following the press conference

    (push?)

    Can I take a yes on both?

  41. Have these announcers never heard of John Stockton? Dude had a .656 TS% when he was 34. Over .600 for his career.

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