Quick Recap: Knicks vs. Pistons

I had a whole premise for this quick recap at the end of the first half. It wasn’t a pretty sort of thing. Arron Afflalo opened the third quarter with a patented Kobe Bryant-in-the-post imitation, pounding the ball against a bigger defender like he could put it all the way through the Earth if only he put more into each dribble. He fumbled, turned it over, and never looked at any of his teammates. I was convinced it was over, and so were you. Admit it.

The Knicks were down 27 points at one point in the game and nothing looked good…at all. Then, suddenly as it looked over, the Pistons pulled a Knicks and fell asleep with their lead. The Knicks showed some heart, cut the lead under 10 by the 4th quarter and rode their momentum on a hustle-fueled final period to the lead with only 2 minutes to go. Galloway was clutch, Melo found open players, especially Robin Lopez, who was magnificent, and the Knicks looked poised to win an incredible ball game.

BUUUUUUUUUUT….if there’s one things these Knicks have mastered in 2015-16 is the art of the fake comeback. In the history of fake comebacks, this was an absolute beauty, but it still counts as an L. This time it was back to back threes from Reggie Jackson and Anthony Tolliver(!!!), and a quick three point follow up from Reggie Jackson again as the Knicks cut it to 2 with less than a minute. The Pistons pulled their asses out of the fire in the face of what would have been a crushing, humiliating loss.

You know what showing heart wins you in the NBA? Nothing. Zilch. I’m glad the Knicks have heart. It’s a refreshing change of pace from the gutless teams of recent generations, but they’re still drowning and there’s not much they can do about it, really. Kristaps often looks clueless and lethargic at this point. He’s got no fire and drifts for long stretches without accomplishing anything or putting in good effort. He’s glued to the bench at the end of games, and suddenly no one is complaining about it. If the Knicks are going to get this thing turned around, he needs to bring back some of that energy. Hopefully it’s some lingering illness, but whatever it is…he’s hitting his low point along with the rest of the team.

Sigh…

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37 thoughts to “Quick Recap: Knicks vs. Pistons”

  1. Hey we found a good lineup possibly. Melo Lance Rolo Arron and Galloway. If we throw in a sprinkling of KP with Jose and Dwill it’s not bad.

  2. Nights like tonight make me seriously question why the hell I continue to be a fan of this team. Being a Knicks fan is being a masochist. It’s easier for me I guess since I’ve also been a die-hard Yankees fan all of my life so they sort of balance out (I’m a Giants fan too and have seen all 4 SB victories but Baseball and Basketball are my 2 favorite sports by far) but really at times it’s like enough is enough.

    But of course I’ll be watching the Knicks vs Grizzlies tomorrow night :-)

  3. Being a Knicks fan is being a masochist

    Word. I think we all know if we ever win a chip before we die , we may all have an aneurysm. Hey Warrior fans stuck it out all of those years….so there’s hope. I guess?

  4. How can you say such a thing about one of the Knicks’ “core” players? ;) Rarely have I ever wished for a Berman report to be wrong than that one.

  5. I get the feeling that afflalo loves balling. Loves proving that he is the man. But at the same time.. Doesn’t give a squat about the Knicks or their fans….and maybe even his teammates, except melo.. I dunno why I feel that way. Might be his demeanor on the court…and for those reasons. I just don’t love the guy….oh and for nights when he goes 6-21 and seals the deal losing to the thunder

  6. The knicks are not suppose to lose when Melo passes up taking tech FTs. They will blow Memphis out tomorrow.

  7. One of my best friends always mocks me by saying I will never see the Knicks win a championship in my lifetime. I fully agree with him lol.

  8. I’m 35 so hopefully I’ll still be alive in 50 years lol. I really feel for young Knick fans like yourself. At least I grew up on and have amazing memories of the 90’s Knicks. Older fans have the championship Knick teams obviously but 1989-2000 was a great time to be a Knicks fan too.

  9. Langston Galloway should be the starting PG for this team, but Afflalo is our starting two so it makes more sense bringing him off the bench. Afflalo is more or less what we’ve seen from our 2 guards of recent years because he’s such a feast or famine type of player. He had a good game tonight, but we really need to work on upgrading the position. Phil Jackson has this team going in the right direction and the Knicks aren’t an organization to be ashamed of as of today, so I think we’ll keep the right players and move on from the bad guys. Afflalo, Seraphin, Vujacic, and Amundson all need to go. The Knicks should do their best to retain LT, DWill, and Galloway in free agency. They’re good Knicks and keeping a good corps intact should make us attractive to Westbrook and Chris Paul next summer. This loss hurts, but we’re not contending so it doesn’t make a difference in the long run away.

  10. I feel like we could upgrade the 2 spot by just playing Galloway. Start Jose at PG and put Grant as his backup because who cares of we win anymore. And try real hard to trade aflallo

  11. I feel like we could upgrade the 2 spot by just playing Galloway. Start Jose at PG and put Grant as his backup because who cares of we win anymore. And try real hard to trade aflallo

    I see what you mean and I like the idea of Gallo starting, but there really is no incentive for us to be bad this year. It’s a position the FO put us in, but ultimately we at least want to do well enough that we don’t have to endure the salt in the wounds of being a lottery team with out a first rounder this year. At least that’s what I am hoping to avoid.

  12. I think maybe Phil needs to rethink coach Fisher. I mean, that game was over after the Pistons first three made FG’s. How many games do we have to watch where the team is behind by double digits half way into the first quarter. Horrible execution on offense and bad D. The team was just not ready.

    Also, why is KP6 only playing a bit over 20 minutes? Why is he meandering around the perimeter? Why is Sasha getting minutes? Why is Jerian riding pine? Any decent coach would be developing those guys as a P and R tandem but both are lost in the triangle. They should call it the Bermuda triangle offense.

    4-18 from Melo won’t get it done but I like the rebounds, assists and FT’s. If he finds the stroke we can maybe win a game sometime.

    Trade anyone but LT, Gallo, KP6, Jerian, Rolo

    I’m almost 50 and resigned to being like a Cubs fan, but I thought at least I’d get a competitive playoff team one of these years. My only positive thought is that you’re never as good as your best stretch or as bad as you’re worst. We all got too excited after back to back W’s against ATL. Maybe it’s not quite as bad as it seems now.

  13. Galloway must start at this point. But his lack of scoring makes you have to play a good penetrating 2. Either way, he’s better than Jose. Bazemore would be a good pairing.

  14. @danvt

    I think one of Fisher’s greatest faults is that he never generates open looks for spot up shooting. Especially with Melo and KP, even Lance, Afflalo and Gallo, would hit so many open 3’s and jumpshots if they ever had an open shot. There is no spacing, poor execution, or hero ball (although hero ball usually starts at 6 seconds left and whatever triangley play was forfeited). Any of the 3 is on Coach Fish.

  15. I don’t think those are Fisher problems I think it’s really, really just personnel. The minutes allocations aren’t the biggest deal–I highly doubt playing KP 5 more minutes, or Sasha less, or Jerian more is going to change anything. I support developing our long-term guys too but it’s not on the agenda and I’m fine with limiting KP’s minutes. More PNR would help, but Calderon can’t do it and Jerian couldn’t shoot a ball into the ocean if he tried, so I’m not sure if it would improve us all that much. And, like lavor keeps stressing, the triangle has a fair amount of PNR options, though I still don’t like the system all that much and still think it’s fairly antiquated.

    That being said I’d be more than fine with replacing Fisher, but he’s not much of an impact one way or the other (unless he’s a GREAT locker-room guy/player’s coach); he’s just a dapper deck chair, as far as I’m concerned.

  16. And yeah, it’s really annoying being a youngish Knicks fan (23), especially because I started watching basketball only after the Knicks were good. If a chip and/or Dolan selling the team were to ever happen, though, it’d be one of the happier moments of my life.

  17. I’m an older Knicks fan with a 24 year old son who I’ve been going to and watching games with since he was 4 ( so at least he got to see some of the good late 90’s teams, although he probably doesn’t remember much) I dream of the day we can celebrate a championship together, but man, does that seem like way, way out in the future. And winning a title in the NBA is so damn hard, you can’t just come out of nowhere in the playoffs like in football and baseball. And now of course we have the potential of a Bulls-like dynasty with Golden State.

    I guess waiting decades for a championship will make it all the sweeter when (if?) it occurs. For now, I’d just like to at least be relevant. Low bar….

  18. Since last year, I’ve been kvetching about this stupid offense. Passing to Lopez at the 3-pt line, making him dribble sometimes, then passing it around (slowly), ending with Afflalo/Melo with a heave or last-minute pass to shoot. It’s so dumb. Maybe it’s just poor execution, I don’t know.

  19. And also, I completely disagree with the statement that it is on the personnel >>>> coach. Good systems, like with the Spurs, tend to set people up to succeed rather than fail. How many nothing players become good on good teams? How much does WP change based on team? Shooting contested shots vs. shooting a spot-up corner 3 has A LOT to do with the coach and his system. Obviously, players>coach, but it’s not like a bad coach doesn’t matter. (By the way, having a poor PG selection is like doubling up on bad coaching)

  20. I don’t mind having Mr. GQ on the bench. Dressing really sharp is a big part of what we do these days. Not going to kick looking good to the curb.

    I said this was a solid team 10 days back or so and we have lost every game since. Put the blame on me, not Fish.

    This team is what we thought it was. Treetops is flatlining pretty much on schedule. Melo has erased in five games all of the goodwill he had built with me with a very solid opening to the season. RoLo has been excellent and so has Galloway but this just isn’t a playoff roster without a huge upside surprise from our favorite Latvian.

    I am pouring one out for Manu’s nut. Poor bastard.

  21. Melo has erased in five games all of the goodwill he had built with me with a very solid opening to the season

    Yeah you have to admit he hasn’t been the same since hurting that ankle. But you were looking for a reason right?

  22. As most have said the Knicks need a penetrating PG. I would trade for Jennings or Teague if the price is right

  23. I was just finished comparing WS/48 for players before and after switching to a team with both a good coach and great point guard (I picked Chris Paul and Steph Curry, but was going to go on with Westbrook and Wall). Then my computer crashed. I do remember that I got people like Bogut, Barbosa, and Wesley Johnson as over +.05 after their switch. Gortat was a +.06.

    So, all I want to say is, there was a HUGE difference in WS/48 in EVERY SINGLE PLAYER coming into those teams. Including good players like Iguodala. Even “good” (not great) point guards like Conley have this effect: Randolph was +.08 on his move, and Courtney Lee +04. There was no instance of a player coming in with a higher WS/48 than after (unless coming from a team with a better PG, a la Matt Barnes from LAC to Memphis with a -.003 change)

    In sum, personnel matters, just look at the effect of a point guard as above, but also the floor general and coach!

  24. Yeah you have to admit he hasn’t been the same since hurting that ankle. But you were looking for a reason right?

    Was meaning to cast some shade on myself there but didn’t quite succeed. Yeah, it’s been his ankle I am sure. Always a reason right….

    But it’s really been a brutal stretch. Four of the last six games he’s had four fgs and he had 5 in another one. (29-89)

    Whatever, I guess, good for him for playing through pain.

    Blog stage directions
    Exuent Owen
    Ruru enters stage right to defend Melo

  25. In sum, personnel matters, just look at the effect of a point guard as above, but also the floor general and coach!

    It really doesn’t matter that much. It matters somewhat. And certainly with WS/48 if you end up playing next to Kawhi and Duncan you’ll get a big boost just from defense.

    But if there is anything that poring over basketball stats for more than a decade now has shown me, player performance is surprisingly stable across time when you adjust for age, pace, minutes, and injury.

  26. Except I wasn’t using the Spurs. I was using pre-Kerr Warriors, the Clippers 2-3 years ago, the Grizzlies of the past 5 years. Those are good teams, but not championship winners. I purposely didn’t pick the Spurs and OKC despite their great PGs. I even used the Wizards. There is a trend of increasing WP/48 when given a good system (coach/PG)

  27. Word. I think we all know if we ever win a chip before we die , we may all have an aneurysm. Hey Warrior fans stuck it out all of those years….so there’s hope. I guess?

    Yup Warriors fans had it bad. Same with the Mavs. And the Cavs. (oops – hold off on that one ;-)

    But on the other hand there are the Blazers, Pacers, Sixers, Wizards, Hawks, …

    So what I’m saying is: At least we’re not Nets fans.

  28. That being said I’d be more than fine with replacing Fisher, but he’s not much of an impact one way or the other (unless he’s a GREAT locker-room guy/player’s coach); he’s just a dapper deck chair, as far as I’m concerned.

    Weren’t TNT’s announcers praising Fisher yesterday for keeping the team together & focused or something like that? [Or was it the game before???]

  29. AL I’m 22 so If we win 1 in like 50 years I’ll pour one out for you :)

    I’m aiming to stick around at least that long. With technology advancing it should be possible. Although I’m really scared for the world’s political/economic climate. Somehow I don’t think the future will be as rosy as the present.

    So you youngins might see the next banner hoisted in MSG, or be fighting for clean water and the last remaining twinkie.

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