Post: Turiaf Nearly To Washington; Close To Signing Jordan?

Two pieces of news from the New York Post, although neither is official. The first:

The Knicks are in the final stages of sending Ronny Turiaf’s $4.2 million contract to Washington and could be completed tonight, according to sources.

That would complete the Tyson Chandler bonanza as the Knicks would have enough room to move under the salary cap after waiving Chauncey Billups by the amnesty clause… It does not appear the Knicks would receive anything in return and will likely have to give the Wizards cash to pay for part of his pact. Though the Knicks could get back a trade exception.

And the second:

The Post has learned 7-foot center Jerome Jordan, a 2010 second-round draft pick, will be the next addition to the Knicks’ roster as he was involved in heavy contract negotiations late last night to bring him to New York, according to his agent Todd Ramasar.

Turiaf, a salary cap casualty for Tyson Chandler, will be missed in New York for his boisterous & demonstrative personality.

It’ll be interesting to see how Jordan & Harrellson pan out. Although Jordan was a strong rebounder & shot blocker with Tulsa, in Europe those traits have tailed off. He’s been more of a low post scorer, who thrives at the foul line. Meanwhile Harrellson seems to be a rebounding specialist with some range from the outside. However his athleticism is a big question mark, especially translated to this level.

It’s expected that Jordan will be the third center on the roster, after Chandler and Amar’e, and that Harrellson will be the fourth. However that doesn’t mean either will see court time. D’Antoni is notorious for short rotations, going small, and letting players he doesn’t like rot on the bench. If the team decides that one or both of these players won’t see any court time, it would behoove them to send one to the D-League. Unfortunately the Knicks have historically shunned the minor league, so in that case it’s unlikely that either will spend the season learning their craft in live action.

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75 thoughts to “Post: Turiaf Nearly To Washington; Close To Signing Jordan?”

  1. I’d like to see Jordan get some real backup minutes. who’s the backup PF? Jeffries?

    lots of happy tidbits from Howard Beck on Twitter just now:

    Tyson Chandler deal w/Knicks will be completed today. Billups will be amnestied, Turiaf traded to Washington.

    Knicks will introduce Chandler at press conf this afternoon.

    As for all the Mike Bibby chatter, he’s under consideration by Knicks. But nothing certain.

  2. and what’s the status of Shawne Williams? I saw somewhere the Nets were after him, hopefully NY was just waiting for the Chandler trade to clear before being able to bring him back. maybe he could be the backup PF?

  3. TKB posted a rumor that Rautins will be sent to Dallas to complete the deal. That means that Balkman is still here. Imagine when the MSG crowd starts chanting DEE-fense, sending out this lineup:
    Chandler
    Balkman
    Jeffries
    Shumpert
    Douglas

    Might have to wait a while for a basket on either end, but that squad could D with the best of them!

  4. if we sign Bibby to a vet’s minimum contract and re-up Shawne with the room exception, I’ll have to give an A+ to the FO for this offseason.

  5. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Jorts get spot minutes at the 4 or 5, especially if he shows more of an offensive game than either Jordan or Jeffries.

    I would also expect the rotation to expand somewhat due to the condensed schedule, otherwise guys are going to break down, particularly Amare and Chandler, gotta watch their minutes.

  6. Instead of Bibby, anybody think it would be worth taking a flyer on Iverson? I don’t, but it is no worse than the corpse of Bibby.

  7. Z-man: Instead of Bibby, anybody think it would be worth taking a flyer on Iverson? I don’t, but it is no worse than the corpse of Bibby.

    If headcases were all the rage, I’d still rather take a flyer on one with more upside, like Delonte West or Baron Davis. If forced at gunpoint, I’d have a hard time choosing between AI and Arenas.

    I love the addition of Chandler and think the Knicks have the best front court in the east now. The irony, is that it is now paired with the worst back court in the east (maybe save the Pacers).

  8. jon abbey:
    I’d like to see Jordan get some real backup minutes. who’s the backup PF? Jeffries?

    lots of happy tidbits from Howard Beck on Twitter just now:

    Tyson Chandler deal w/Knicks will be completed today. Billups will be amnestied, Turiaf traded to Washington.

    Knicks will introduce Chandler at press conf this afternoon.

    As for all the Mike Bibby chatter, he’s under consideration by Knicks. But nothing certain.

    FWIW…. if yesterday was Jordan’s last game in the Adriatic league, he went out with style:

    20 minutes, 8-10 from the floor, 3-5 from the line, 9 boards and 3 blocks for 19 points

  9. PS: Who’s playing C for the Celts? If it’s Garnett, they’re in big trouble. I think this might be the year where the “Big 3” start to crumble, unless they swing a deal for a big man out of the blue…LIKE WE DID!!!!!!

  10. I’m sorry, but the thought of Mike Bibbly as our starting point guard is utterly terrifying. Talk about a guy who makes Chauncey Billups look like John Wall. Maybe we plan on bringing him off the bench, and if that’s the case I just hope he can do what he did in Miami and camp out and hit the three at a somewhat efficient level.

    Has anyone read anything to the effect that Cleveland is even thinking of amnestying Davis? I know he and Irving were at a dual presser yesterday, although that probably doesn’t mean anything. An engaged, revitalized Davis (still only 32 I believe) is still my irrational hope du jour.

  11. I’m with Jim. I know Baron doesn’t really fit the bill for a SSOL offense, mostly because he can’t shoot straight, but if he got all jacked up for games in Golden State, I think he’d lose his mind in New York (in the best possible way). Also, if you look at his numbers in Cleveland and LA, his game hasn’t tailed off all that much. He’s bright enough to figure out how to be a pure distributor for Melo and Amare. Or so I’m guessing by his Crossroads/UCLA background and eyeglass-wear that looks like it was handed out at a Modern Culture and Media seminar. Someone threw out the idea of Jose Calderon possibly being amnestied and I think that would be an excellent pick-up as well.

  12. I just don’t see the benefit to amnestying Davis.They still need to reach the salary floor. Why is it worth paying Davis to play for someone else? Is there somebody else they want to bring in to replace him?

    I think people see his contract and what LA gave up to dump it and just assume he is an amnesty case. It’s probably driven by Davis’ people because Baron doesn’t want to play out his contract in Cleveland.

  13. Davis, btw, has his motivational issues, but I don’t think he’s a “head case”. He’s a smart guy, very charismatic, who sees a world bigger than basketball around him.

  14. TDM: The Celts are closing in on a deal for sign David West.

    West is good, but he’s not really a C. Unless they make another big move, I’m drooling over Christmas Day.

  15. Z, Cleveland’s payroll is over $63. And that was before they signed their rookies to contracts. I think they have the space to release him, although I could be wrong.

  16. Z:
    I just don’t see the benefit to amnestying Davis.They still need to reach the salary floor. Why is it worth paying Davis to play for someone else? Is there somebody else they want to bring in to replace him?

    I think people see his contract and what LA gave up to dump it and just assume he is an amnesty case. It’s probably driven by Davis’ people because Baron doesn’t want to play out his contract in Cleveland.

    I think he’ll be a terrible influence on Irving if they let him stick around, it makes much more sense to dump him and go with Irving and Sessions at PG.

  17. Z:
    I just don’t see the benefit to amnestying Davis.They still need to reach the salary floor. Why is it worth paying Davis to play for someone else? Is there somebody else they want to bring in to replace him?

    I think people see his contract and what LA gave up to dump it and just assume he is an amnesty case. It’s probably driven by Davis’ people because Baron doesn’t want to play out his contract in Cleveland.

    A good point. He has a player option after this year, so it’s not as if he’s staring down the barrel of two years in Cleveland. I just don’t see where they’d end up using it over the next few years, mired as they are in full-on rebuilding mode. Verejao maybe, if he suddenly breaks down completely in the next few years. But with Irving and Sessions — a more than capable starter — you just have to wonder how valuable it is to have Davis moping on the bench. They can still reach the salary floor with a few (probably bad) deals.

  18. jon abbey:
    and what’s the status of Shawne Williams? I saw somewhere the Nets were after him, hopefully NY was just waiting for the Chandler trade to clear before being able to bring him back. maybe he could be the backup PF?

    It doesn’t seem like we have bird/early bird/non bird rights to Williams, which I guess means we’re limited to offering him the mini MLE — $2.5 million/year for 3 years. I could definitely see other teams offering him more.

    DS:
    Before we get all hysterical, let’s assume Bibby is Roger Mason’s replacement, not Billups’s.

    I think the mild hysteria is coming from MDA’s complete lack of tolerance for young guy mistakes. Anthony Randolph is a prime example, but even with Douglas, I know MDA gave him a lot of burn, but he seemed to go into a fit of rage every five minutes Douglas was on the floor.

    Jake S.: if he got all jacked up for games in Golden State, I think he’d lose his mind in New York (in the best possible way).

    Let’s not forget though that that was 4 years ago. Davis was 28. For reference, Iverson was 3rd in the league in scoring that year. Michael Redd was 8th. Kevin Durant was a rookie. The Pistons went to the conference finals. A lot has changed in that time.

  19. I was only making the point that he’d be focused in New York. And at 32, he’s not washed up. The Knicks wouldn’t need him to carry an offense like he did in Golden State.

  20. I understand more or less how S&T worked with boston concerning West trade….but how did boston have any leverage in this S&T since they had no cap space, right??? Why didn’t Hornets request more since Boston had no cap space to sign him without a S&T done?

  21. that West deal isn’t definite, I think it needs to wait until the Paul situation is resolved.

    also, assuming some version of the Paul deal goes through, that sets up a hilarious game between us and the Lakers in week 1. with Bynum suspended, I am guessing there has never been a NBA game where one team’s front court is that much better than the other team’s (Chandler/Amare/Melo vs. Caracter/Walton/ex-Artest?) while at the same time the other team’s backcourt is that much better than the first (Kobe/Paul vs. Fields/Douglas).

  22. I read NO is going to S&T West to Boston in exchange for Jermaine O’Neal, who will then be waived by NO. Assuming John is right that the West deal is contingent on getting approval for the CP3 deal, then, the Lakers will likely snag JO for peanuts to fill out their depleted front court.

  23. I still don’t get it, though….what does New Orleans get, really…besides Jermaine O’Neal? Boston had no way to sign West except via Sign and Trade…knowing that, why didn’t New Orleans try to pry something else away from boston….unless there was some other serious suitor for West, but I didn’t hear about any other…I think Indiana decided not to go after him after all was said and done.

  24. I don’t understand…Why are we helping Dallas with the S+T? We can sign Chandler without their help. You would think the knicks would get something of value in return -more than just getting out of Andy Rautins $700,000 1 year contract.

  25. Must have something to do with getting Chandler more money under bird rights….but not sure it really benefits the Knicks per se.

  26. I’d like to see the knicks bring in D West to run the point-he seems like the best FA point guard available- maybe for the mini MLE but not if it means we can’t sign Shawne Williams.

  27. Any chance the Lakers might amnesty three years of Steve Blake when they finally get Paul? Seems like a good fit for the 2.5m exception if they don’t used it on Williams.

  28. 2010:
    I don’t understand…Why are we helping Dallas with the S+T? We can sign Chandler without their help. You would think the knicks would get something of value in return -more than just getting out of Andy Rautins $700,000 1 year contract.

    The Knicks may need the 700k for Shawne Williams

  29. 2010:
    I’d like to see the knicks bring in D West to run the point-he seems like the best FA point guard available- maybe for the mini MLE but not if it means we can’t sign Shawne Williams.

    But you never know whose Mom he might try to hook up with!

    In all seriousness, I think West is heading to NO in the David West sign n’ trade with Boston. Otherwise, he’d be a nice pickup

  30. Delonte West is a stone madman. That seems like a recipe for disaster to me.

    A sign and trade benefits New York because they don’t have to waste their amnesty clause on Billups. They’ll need that kind of insurance for STAT over the life of his contract.

  31. Oh, I think they’ll end up parting with Jeff Green. I can see David Stern OK-ing the Paul trade if he feels like New Orleans has managed to acquire some young assets.

  32. I’m not getting the rampant Bibby hate I’m reading on the interwebs. This strikes me as a bit of a recency bias.

    He’s clearly close to the end, and admittedly worthless in the playoffs, but he’s a cheap plug-in who can run the P&R, doesn’t need to dominate the ball, and still spaces the floor.

    Of course he hasn’t guarded anyone in at least five years. But, over 80 games last year he shot 57% (TS), 44% from 3.

    This strikes me as a “meh” move. Low-cost, low-expectations. At the same time we have no idea how Douglas’ shoulder will hold up.

  33. Jake S.:
    A sign and trade benefits New York because they don’t have to waste their amnesty clause on Billups. They’ll need that kind of insurance for STAT over the life of his contract.

    No- they still are using their amnesty- that is why we still need to move Turiaf’s 4mil contract and why Dallas is getting a big TPE to offer to Dalembert. If it was a S+T sending Billups to Dallas, we would keep the amnesty (and Turiaf) and Dallas would have Billups on their roster. Dallas doesn’t want to do this.

  34. I agree about Bibby, as long as he is a back up and we only play him 10-15 minutes a game it seems fine. He is still an elite shooter. We could do worse.

  35. As per Bibby, I’m not excited about the signing either, but isn’t it possible that he’ll benefit from only playing 15-20 minutes a night?

  36. I haven’t posted here since probably summer of ’10. But I have to bring up a question that nobody has asked yet.

    If we amnesty billups, and he clears the bidding system (unlikely, i know). Are WE allowed to re-sign him? I haven’t read anywhere that we can’t, but maybe it’s implied?

  37. Mike Bibby looked seriously cooked in the playoffs last year, on both ends of the floor, which I think is more telling than his regular season numbers. do not want.

  38. Knicks also acquired the rights to Ahmad Nivins and Giorgos Printezis. Anyone know anything about them????

  39. Some are reporting the Nets are now offering Nene 4 years 70MILLION. holy toledo he is definitely not worth that much. Dude plays barely any defense and isn’t a good rebounder. Not to mention he and Brook are going to overlap tremendously.

  40. Anyone who has a Fields jersey is out of luck, he is changing his number to #2 with Chandler getting #6.

  41. BigBlueAL-where did you hear about Ahmad Nivins, Giorgos Printezis, and Field’s changing his number?

  42. From googling–

    Giorgos Printezis: 57th pick in 2007 draft. 6’9″ small forward. In 2009, he signed a 3 year contract with an NBA escape clause after the second year. Very high energy. Good all-around player. Mediocre foot speed. Not special in any one way. 26 years old. Nickname: “The Big Fish”. 2007 greek all star slam dunk champ.

    Ahmad Nivins: 56th pick in 2009 draft. 6’9″. Power forward with a moderately developed finesse game around the rim. Average athleticism, below average lateral quickness.

    DX best case comparison: Leon Powe

  43. Anyone here feel good about how ridiculously good Chandler’s advanced stats were from last year? WS/48 of 0.218, ORtg of 131, DRtg of 102. For those counting at home, not even Jordan ever had a ORtg-DRtg spread of 29. Playoffs? ORtg 137, DRtg 105. Ridiculous.

    The great thing is that there isn’t anything he did last year that is so markedly better than his healthy years in Chicago and New Orleans. Major difference is shooting percentage (dunks and tip ins) and lower turnover rate. But nothing to suggest he can’t keep this up if he stays healthy.

  44. What do you all think we can expect out of Shumpert this year? I think he can give a good 20 minutes per game off the bench, playing solid D and staying within himself on offense. His athleticism will be fun to watch.

  45. SO here are the guys that we seem close to signing or have already signed:

    C: Chandler, Jerome Jordan, Harrelson
    PF: Stoudemire, Jeffries
    SF: Anthony, Balkman
    SG: Fields, Walker
    PG: Douglas, Shumpert, Bibby

    If Shawne Williams signs elsewhere, which seems likely at this point, that leaves us with 3 empty roster spots, so I could see us filling the end of our bench with Anthony Carter, Printezis, and another PF. Nivins sounds kind of useless.

  46. 2010:
    BigBlueAL-where did you hear about Ahmad Nivins, Giorgos Printezis, and Field’s changing his number?

    Where else, Twitter. lol

  47. Anyone here feel good about how ridiculously good Chandler’s advanced stats were from last year? WS/48 of 0.218, ORtg of 131, DRtg of 102. For those counting at home, not even Jordan ever had a ORtg-DRtg spread of 29. Playoffs? ORtg 137, DRtg 105. Ridiculous.

    The great thing is that there isn’t anything he did last year that is so markedly better than his healthy years in Chicago and New Orleans. Major difference is shooting percentage (dunks and tip ins) and lower turnover rate. But nothing to suggest he can’t keep this up if he stays healthy.

    Yeah, what makes Chandler such a good “get” is that while last year likely was a fluke, he didn’t have very far to fall to very impressive numbers at his best years in Chicago and New Orleans. And also, the fact that he put up such impressive numbers in three radically different team situations also has to make you very pleased with the chances that he’ll do the same as a Knick.

    The problem (and it is a real problem) is his injury history. Remember, this is a guy who failed a physical when he was dealt to Olkahoma City a couple of years ago for a toe injury he never saw any sort of surgery to fix – it just healed on its own. That’s scary as fuck.

    The not-so-scary thing is that even when he plays hurt, while he is no longer the great player that he is healthy, he is at least better than anyone else the Knicks would have at center since Camby left (not counting Amar’e, Lee or Kurt Thomas as centers) including Mutombo’s out of nowhere good season as a Knick.

  48. Truth is- if something heals by itself and doesn’t need surgery, it’s probably better healed than if he did need surgery considering it appears to be 100% just with rest. Once you get cut on, it’s never quite the same.

  49. Fwiw I think Denver will resign Chauncey and let him finish his career there. That’s the best outcome for everyone.

  50. Yeah, I’d love that. You have to at least sort of think that the Knicks surveyed the scene to make sure that the Heat weren’t going to end up with Billups, right?

    Anyhow, Hollinger is correct. Since the Knicks now have never dropped below the cap, they still have the MLE to play with. Let’s now play – what guard would you like to see them get with the MLE?

  51. I know he’s not a sg, but any chance we could get Thad Young for the MLE? Our primary SF backup right now is Balkman, and you have to figure Melo could slide to SG 5-10mpg.

  52. Anyhow, Hollinger is correct. Since the Knicks now have never dropped below the cap, they still have the MLE to play with. Let’s now play – what guard would you like to see them get with the MLE?

    as I mentioned prior. JJ Barea? Seems like a nice MDA type of guard.

  53. as I mentioned prior. JJ Barea? Seems like a nice MDA type of guard.

    I wish we had more info on him, but yeah, he’d seem to fit in well. Love his energy.

  54. So Bibby’s official and we are going strong after Barea. Oh and Eddy Curry claims to have lost 70 lbs.

  55. We really have the full MLE? I thought Hahn, Berman and others were reporting we only had the new “room” exception for $2.5 M…that would be great if we had the full $5 M to play with…bring back easy e and a PG, maybe Barea…..I think Barea would be an excellent back-up behind TD with championship experience….hopefully Chandler recruits him a bit…would be nice for a change to have a couple of dudes on the team who have won a ring!

  56. ess-dog:
    and Eddy Curry claims to have lost 70 lbs.

    I don’t really care anymore, but I’d like to point out the same thing I did with his last comeback: his huge ass was his biggest strength. without that, he’s going to get his shot blocked over and over inside, and it’s not like the other aspects of his game are going to improve at this point.

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