New York Knicks 100 – Washington Wizards 101 – Game Recap

Picture this: a grown up man jumping up and down in joy, all by himself, because the team he roots for just lost a game thanks to a buzzer-beating goaltending call. If that’s not a perfect representation of tanking in less than 30 words, I dare you to to better. I was prepared to write about a sad win (even if I would have stressed how the winning bucket would have come from Vonleh and not Mudiay – I’m sorry, I’m so scared by Mudiay’s future right now), instead I was, like, bursting from joy because of a loss in an ugly game in a foreign country!

The game in itself was nothing special. In the first half we got to a comfortable lead thanks to some hot shooting from Kornet and solid all-around play from a few other guys (Vonleh, a quite revamped Trier, Dotson, a slashing Mudiay), but in the third the action ground to a halt, and all of a sudden it looked like the game transformed itself in a glorified YMCA scrimmage. Then, the Wizards made a late push to get ahead, we made a mini push of ourselves to counter that, and in the end Trier came to the rescue with a goaltend on Thomas Bryant who, with 1 second to play, was pretty much alone at 3 feet from the rim. Defenses were simply horrible in this game, from Mudiay looking like Bode Miller sliding around slalom poles to Otto Porter Jr. going to the cup in straight lines as if he planted landmines under the feet of every Knick defender on his way. I can comfortably say that if you went to watch a game on a Bologna playground during lunch break you’d see a lot more effort in defending.

In the end, nothing that happened in this game will be remember in a week. The only thing that counts is the unitary increase in the losses column and the fact that THJ is getting worse by the minutes, which again brings forward the questions about personnel management, even on a day when rotations were as close to the optimum as they’ve been in a while (thanks to the return of Mitch). Carry on then, keeping an eye on the trade market for additional disappointment.

The good:

– If you need more evidence that we don’t have a capable starting point guard on our roster, look no further than Luke Kornet (16 pts, 3 rebs, 2 ast, -2+/-) in the boxscore. You’d think his line is rock solid – even before I add 5 steals and a block -, but what you’d be caught ignoring is the fact that Kornet didn’t attempt a single three pointer in the second half, and shot just two times total in the same span. Now, for a guy whose offense is totally predicated in other people finding him open on the perimeter after he creates a bit of separation moving or simply being taller than his defender, this lack of offensive contribution in the second half only means that nobody was able to involve him significantly in around 16 minutes in the second half. We can all praise the scoring effort of Emmanuel Mudiay (25 pts, 7 rebs, 2 ast, a game-low -12 +/-), but what is he good for if for all his driving he jacks up 18 shots and never passes the ball to the open guy(s) on the perimeter? It’s 2019 NBA, you need to find the open man sooner or later. Also, I’m ok with Kornet not being a tenacious rebounder, but 3 boards in 34 minutes is Bargnani-bad level. I don’t complain too much because I know Luke is not going to be our starting center for much (but I’d certainly keep him around as our 4th big), but his lack of rebounding is a bit scary. I mean, our centers gobbled down just 5 boards in 44 minutes of play. That’s a recipe for disaster as soon as we’ll want to really win games. His 5 steals, though, tie the record for a Knick seven footer (the others: Ewing and KP. Good company, Luke!)

– Noah Vonleh (13 pts, 10 rebs, 1 ast, +6 +/-) played a good game, all in all. I know there’s some trade buzz around him (probably only in this blog, since I seriously doubt there are a lot of guys watching Knicks games this season), and I think that if you can exploit his presence on the roster in anyway, even a low second rounder, you have to do it. I’d be a bit sad to watch him go, I like his play and his demeanor, but what gives? We don’t have Bird rights, so we can’t sign him for anything more than 120% the minimum without biting into the cap. We need a guy like him next to KP, but who’s to say we don’t find one in the scrap heap or the second round (so maybe we can control his future for a few years)? As for tonight, he didn’t do anything that made you jump out of your couch, but like your favorite comfort food he was always there when you needed it the most. He even hit the go-ahead old-schoot goofy hook to put the Knicks ahead 100-99 before the legendary Thomas Bryant game-winning… attempt?

The bad:

– Ok let’s check this out. We have a guy who’s battling with minor injuries since early December. We’re tanking like hell (thanks to a depleted, putrid roster). We travel to London, which means at the very least a six hour flight, to play a mostly meaningless game in front of people who mayyyybe would recognize Bradley Beal if you showed them his picture (I, for one, don’t think they would. It’s just that Beal was the marquee name for this game, and that says everything you need to know about the game itself). But no, let’s bring Tim Hardaway JR (8 pts, 2 rebs, 1 ast, -7 +/-) around for no reason, just to make him play 24 minutes and watch him shoot 28.6% from the field while doing nothing else if not depressing him already low trade value and jacking up shots from the dribble like it’s a federal crime to pass the ball. Which is ironic, since at the moment, all of his advanced stats save for AST% are down from last year. Some of them marginally, some of them sharply (his BPM went down from -0.1 to -1.9). While this is an effect of having a worse team around him, it also speaks about the type of complementary player THJ is, so if he’s just another guy to send on the court, why the hell is Fiz playing him injury after injury? Time to sit him down for at least 10 games, if you ask me.

– Ah, how I missed Mario Hezonja (0 pts, 6 rebs, 1 ast, -6 +/-) in this column. I can’t even tell if he was lethargic (don’t think so) or just completely off-center (think so), but his game gave nothing to the Knicks. I can’t even remember a single one of his 6 boards. As you know, I started rooting for him because in desperate times it’s fun to root for tragedies, but somehow he found a way to disappoint me again, serving us the most quietly discomforting performance of his season. Anyway, he’s good for the tank, so ok, give him 15-20 minutes per night if that’s your wish. I’d prefer to try out some G-League guys, but I don’t feel particularly incensed about any of this. Only Knick reserve with a negative plus/minus, which I think is pretty indicting of his play and of the Wizards’ bench.

– Finally, Kevin Knox (5 pts, 4 rebs, 1 ast, -7 +/-) gets a quick mention here. Nothing was falling for him today and I didn’t particularly like his shot selection. A little step backward in his development, but I’m not too concerned, he shot like shit even before this game. I’m much more concerned about the zero effort he gave on defense. That’s a bit troubling, because if Kevin is a problem on defense it’s not going to be long before teams will start targeting him consistently. I hope he’ll be more focused next time.

Fish and chips:

– Can we please trade Mudiay? Everytime he scores 20+ pts my anxiety worsens. And I’m already a pretty anxious guy. Hey, Perry, my health is important!

– What do we make of Frank? On one hand, some players play better when he’s on the court, since they know he’s not gonna eat their possesions and are more relaxed (and he posted a game-high +11 plus/minus, in open contrast to our other point guard). On the other hand, he shoots terribly and definitely thinks too much. That was extremely apparent in the early fourth quarter when he got the ball roughly 30 feet from the basket with the clock going down fast. He made an half-assed pump fake, then half-lunged as if to throw a push three point shot, and in the middle of his movement tried to pass the ball into the corner with the speed of a slow badminton demi-volèe, resulting in a super-easy Otto Porter Jr. steal. It was like watching a Rube Goldberg device made entirely by brainfarts.

– Mitch is back, and I can’t even begin to tell you how happy I am. He played only 10 minutes tonight, but to this starving basketball lover they looked like 100. His first offensive rebound was a thing of beauty: he jumped, jumped, disrupted, jumped again, jumped for the last time, got the board while diving to the floor, gave the ball to a teammate and fell down exhausted. As soon as he was down he started slapping the floor like an earnestly enthusiastic car dealer, riveting with palpable euphoria for the snatched bound. I love Mitch. Also, a wonderful alley-oop in his first minute and a mosquito-swatting block in the third. He shows terrific potential.

– Dotson and Trier were kinda good tonight. Loved seeing Trier getting a bit of his mojo back. We’ll see if it’s a one-game only thing of if he’s healing/not thinking about the signed contract.

All is well that ends well, and with a loss this ended magnificently. See you against the Thunder, where there will be a mini-in-game for the worst looking three point shot in the NBA between Russ and Mudiay.

 

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65 thoughts to “New York Knicks 100 – Washington Wizards 101 – Game Recap”

  1. I never bookmark anything but I felt really confident about this one from Dec 10, in a discussion about how we’re not bad enough to get the best odds for Zion:

    We’re 8-20 now. I can see us at 10-36. Then we can reevaluate.

    I’m actually really disappointed in all of us. Given everything we know about this team, we should all be posting from our private islands that were paid for with the money we earned by betting against the Knicks.

  2. Great cap as always, Farfa. Although I actually felt bad for them. This was the kind of win you can live with a young team earning. They are human, after all, and in a miserable season I wouldn’t have been mad if they spent a night out in London feeling like winners.

  3. Caught up on yesterday and I’m super intrigued.

    What did ProjectKnicks get banned for the first time?

  4. Given everything we know about this team, we should all be posting from our private islands that were paid for with the money we earned by betting against the Knicks.

    Lady Jowles is a fervent anti-gambler (background in math/statistics, dad was a stats prof, mom and brother are auditors, says she is constitutionally unable to put even a dime in a slot machine) and even she thinks I fucked up by not betting my life savings on the 2013-15 unders.

  5. Can someone do a timeline of the banned users and their new hames. Maybe along th elines of the Bible with ClydePolice begat .., Itallion Stallion begat…., ProjectKnicks was the son of … who was the son of.

    Farfa I don’t say it, but thanks for the recaps.

  6. I have a similar family background to Lady Jowles. When I was around 6 years old and everyone in the state of New York was talking about some big lotto jackpot I asked my father why we didn’t buy tickets. He said: “because the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math.”

  7. I think it’s possible to have positive equity in some of these lottos. When they go over a billion.

    Great cap Farfa. I was heartened to see we lost as well.

    Also, can someone wipe the drool off my mouth? Expecting us to get Zion is only a little smarter than expecting to win Mega Millions. There is a big advantage to the draft sweepstake though in that with Zion we are getting a solid 9 months to fantasize about it rather than just a couple days between drawings.

    https://www.theringer.com/college-basketball/2019/1/18/18187476/zion-williamson-duke-numbers-ncaa-nba-draft

  8. As Frank noted, though, in the case of the Knicks maxing out a free agent, they can offer Vonleh a two-year room exception deal, with the second year a player option. Vonleh could then opt out and the Knicks could then go over the cap to offer him the mid-level because they would have his Early Bird rights at that point.

    That would only be if they don’t trade him, so I think that probably does make it so that you’d like to at least make sure you get a decent return on Vonleh (more than, say, a low second rounder) if you want to trade him.

  9. I’m the one who’s thanking everyone who likes the recaps, I hope I’ll still be around to “write” about meaningful basketball in a year (or twenty).

  10. The EB rights situation is certainly worth noting, and I wouldn’t trade Vonleh for a single second rounder that projected to be in the 50s. Still, it would require a number of different things all happening in order to become relevant so I’m still moving him for a decent haul.

    Also after yesterday, Frank’s TS% sits at .428. Oof…

  11. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them! says:

    I woke up grumpy today. That’s not good because I am grumpier than most people on my good days.

    We have a handful of players I actually like, but we have limited ball movement, limited player movement, don’t get easy shots off plays, and have multiple players that suck on defense. There’s way too much iso heavy offense and we have a coach that talks defense but favors iso offense just like the management.

    On the last possession yesterday, why weren’t Frank, Dotson, Vonleh, and Robinson on the court. If you want to argue against Robinson because of his tendency to foul, that’s fine. But it’s one possession. You put your best defenders out there, not worst.

  12. On the last possession yesterday, why weren’t Frank, Dotson, Vonleh, and Robinson on the court. If you want to argue against Robinson because of his tendency to foul, that’s fine. But it’s one possession. You put your best defenders out there, not worst.

    They addressed that in the post game and the answer is one you’ll probably not like (and it is the same one they used for why they had THJ guarding LeVert back at the beginning of the season), which is that they wanted to see how this group of players (namely Trier/Mudiay/THJ) could handle the situation. Clearly, the answer was “poorly,” but that was the “logic,” as it were.

  13. Also after yesterday, Frank’s TS% sits at .428. Oof…

    He can only aspire to reach Russell Westbrook’s .476 (7-30 last night, double oof…)

  14. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them! says:

    which is that they wanted to see how this group of players (namely Trier/Mudiay/THJ) could handle the situation.

    Thanks. I didn’t see the post game stuff. I could have told them it wasn’t going to work well. :-)

  15. On the last possession yesterday, why weren’t Frank, Dotson, Vonleh, and Robinson on the court

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  16. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them! says:

    They should let Frank be what he is at this stage. He should focus on defense, be a solid secondary play maker, and shoot spot up 3s when they leave him open. He obviously hasn’t made much progress, but he still shows signs of being a good player at times. He can work on other stuff in practice and in the off season. You can’t force what’s not there yet. It’s just ruining his confidence and taking away from what he can do reasonably well by forcing him to be aggressive and do things he’s not ready to do.

    He’s 13 for 33 from 3 since December 1st. He was also very good in October. He just had that horrible slump in November. There’s at least some hope he’s turning a little in that area .

  17. Remember when the Mavs front office were gloating after we picked Frank and they got Smith Jr. Yes, Doncic pick was a good move, but still…

  18. He’s 13 for 33 from 3 since December 1st. He was also very good in October. He just had that horrible slump in November. There’s at least some hope he’s turning a little in that area .

    This is honestly worse than anything ruru ever posted about Melo

  19. They addressed that in the post game and the answer is one you’ll probably not like (and it is the same one they used for why they had THJ guarding LeVert back at the beginning of the season), which is that they wanted to see how this group of players (namely Trier/Mudiay/THJ) could handle the situation. Clearly, the answer was “poorly,” but that was the “logic,” as it were.

    It’s good because it shows the Knicks aren’t trying that hard to win. Now, I don’t think putting Timmy out there to get stops at this point in his career is going to teach him something, but maybe Trier can learn when it’s not a good idea to goaltend.

  20. That he was even in a position to goaltend, too, was because he and the other guy (who was it? THJ?) slacked off on the middle to allow Bryant to get right to the basket.

  21. That he was even in a position to goaltend, too, was because he and the other guy (who was it? THJ?) slacked off on the middle to allow Bryant to get right to the basket

    TH2 was probably the prime culprit; he got fully picked by Bryant literally at half court which should never happen in a 3 second possession. Vonleh had to switch off Bryant which is the right move because you can’t give Beal an open pull up. Then TH2 made his second mistake. He should have sprinted after Bryant’s roll but ran back to sort of double Beal instead. You could argue that Vonleh should have hedged more, but I don’t think so. I think he hedges more and a good shooter has a wide open 3 for the win.

    Both Mudiay and Trier recognized the play reasonably well and obviously were inches from blocking the layup; I think both did as well as you can expect there. Knox was the second culprit because he just didn’t react at all after guarding the inbound. He was actually the guy with the best chance of disrupting the roll but at least right now he is just not an NBA level off ball defender so it would be crazy to expect more.

  22. also it’s interesting — in beal’s on court interview after the buzzer he made it clear they didn’t really see it as a pnr but really just wanted to get beal going downhill a la westbrook. but he said he slipped and that he was lucky that bryant was smart enough to roll hard off the screen so he found him.

  23. Mudiay was in a little slump between 2015 and 2018 but the tiny, indiscernible-to-a-layman adjustments he made on November 16th really brought him back to normal

  24. also it’s interesting — in beal’s on court interview after the buzzer he made it clear they didn’t really see it as a pnr but really just wanted to get beal going downhill a la westbrook. but he said he slipped and that he was lucky that bryant was smart enough to roll hard off the screen so he found him.

    Yeah, Brooks was really gushing about Bryant’s instincts in the post-game.

  25. Bryant is putting up some amazing numbers. I get a Paul Millsap vibe from him, maybe not as quick hands. Probably some reason he is playing less than 20 minutes I am not aware of but still, quite a find by the Wizards.

  26. I woke up grumpy today. That’s not good because I am grumpier than most people on my good days.

    oh, thanks for that one strat…once the fire’s are subdued and i have a moment at work to go through the day’s thread i’ll come across a comment that’ll have me simply switch screens and get back to work…

    it’s kind of like taking a really good “hit” and just needing to put it down for a while…that shit was funny…

  27. The haters don’t want to admit it but Frank is shooting 100% on his made shots this year! That’s the best in the league!

  28. Here’s a fun story about a Michigan couple who gamed a loophole in the state lottery to earn millions

    thanks for sharing, interesting story…ya got to be in it to win it…

  29. Glad you guys enjoyed the article, it was a favorite read for me last year. Jerry and Marge actually live a couple counties north from me, about an hour away.

  30. The haters don’t want to admit it but Frank is shooting 100% on his made shots this year! That’s the best in the league!

    does it look like frank’s putting on a little “extra” weight to anyone else…

    although his best spot may be at the 3 – he looks more comfortable (not necessarily more effective) at the point guard spot…but, watching him play yesterday was a bit of a bummer…

    seems like a really good young man, and, i love the promos he does for the knicks – great personality (and, of course here comes the but), but, he looks worse out there than last year…

    knox talks a bunch about how the game has slowed for him after his first couple of months in the league – if anything – it looks like things have sped up for frank…

  31. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them! says:

    This is honestly worse than anything ruru ever posted about Melo

    Variations in 3p% are to be expected. However, sometimes there are REAL reasons for the variations, like having your shoulders whacked out of place by Cs that are setting hard picks or having other injuries/issues that could impact performance.

    It’s hard to tell the difference because we are working with incomplete information. But with experience it’s sometimes possible to use intuition to be right enough to add value.

    I’m still guessing Frank is going to end up with a higher 3p% this year than the just under 30% he had going into last night because that November bad streak was such a doozy, it probably dragged him below his current mean temporarily and because he was clearly having shoulder issues at the time.

    I have no idea what his current “mean” is assuming we had a large enough sample to know, but 33% might be a good guess.

  32. However, sometimes there are REAL reasons for the variations, like having your shoulders whacked out of place by Cs that are setting hard picks or having other injuries/issues that could impact performance.

    Pointing to the presumption of a confounding variable like minor, undisclosed injuries as real, tangible, measurable, empirical, confirmable, falsifiable, or dispositive evidence of a player’s overall production fails to explain the long-term consistency we see in most players. Possible does not necessarily imply probable, all day long, and that is never going to change. Never.

    You don’t see Steph Curry going from a .650 TS% shooter to a .550 shooter year to year, even though he, like literally every other player on the court, is playing through undisclosed injuries virtually the entire season.

    When Frank shoots like the worst player in league history for 2,490 minutes, with a difference of just 0.7 shots missed per 100 attempts year over year, perhaps Occam’s Razor suggests that it is his Frank’s shot itself, and not some vague hypothesis about injuries that may or may not have happened, that most easily describes his complete inability to adequately perform the most rudimentary and important function in the game of basketball: putting the ball into the basket.

  33. I’m still guessing Frank is going to end up with a higher 3p% this year than the just under 30% he had going into last night because that November bad streak was such a doozy, it probably dragged him below his current mean temporarily and because he was clearly having shoulder issues at the time.

    I have no idea what his current “mean” is assuming we had a large enough sample to know, but 33% might be a good guess.

    I mean his literal career average, aka the mean, is 31.2%, so maybe we don’t need to guess at all.

  34. that lottery article was good but the protagonists’ argument bought by the Mass IG and the journalist that the volume bettors didn’t hurt anyone including taxpayers and provided $16m revenue to the lottery/state doesn’t work

  35. knox talks a bunch about how the game has slowed for him after his first couple of months in the league – if anything – it looks like things have sped up for frank…

    Knox is also really shitty!

  36. They addressed that in the post game and the answer is one you’ll probably not like (and it is the same one they used for why they had THJ guarding LeVert back at the beginning of the season), which is that they wanted to see how this group of players (namely Trier/Mudiay/THJ) could handle the situation. Clearly, the answer was “poorly,” but that was the “logic,” as it were.

    this is just inexcusable. I don’t care about results but it’s the thought process and this is the thought process of a fool. This is the kinda guy who’s going to say shit like the east is big.

    Even if you play the development card, you should be developing the right people. Frank and Mitch should be the ones getting this experience bc they’re the ones who need it and will be used to do it down the line.

    It’s dumb on so many levels.

  37. Shit, Wendell Carter out for pretty much the rest of the season with thumb surgery. You’d think it would be very difficult to beat the Bulls to the bottom. Still, I’d be thrilled if the Knicks end the season in the bottom three.

  38. Reading the recent news from Dallas I am more positive on Dennis Smith than I was before. I was convinced that the Maverick’s talk of fit was smoke, and concluded they had given up on him because they thought he wasn’t any good. I was partly right, it was a kind of smoke about fit. They don’t care about the fit and want to keep him but he is insisting on leaving. They are one of the smarter NBA organizations. If they think he is worth keeping, he probably is. On the other, who knows if he will be happy somewhere else.

  39. Thinking about Knox it occurred to me to compare him to Tim Hardaway, Jr.’s first season. The results are something you have to look up because every time I include a link in my post, the post goes into never never land. Hardaway was unimpressive his first season but turned into a worthwhile NBA player (although not worth hs salary).
    Knox is a little worse than Hardaway was in his first season. All his shooting percentages are lower. He does get more rebounds than Tim did, but he’s a forward so he should. He is also two years younger than Tim was. If I had to guess, I’d think that Knox will turn into some sort of uber-Hardaway who is a forward instead of a guard. l’m not sure I like that, but it’s a decent result for a number 9 pick.

  40. You feel better about a guy after finding out that he’s pulling himself from games and demanding a trade in his second season?

  41. If we were to roll out a Mudiay/DSJ backcourt for the rest of the season both Chicago and Cleveland would have their work cut out for them.

  42. I’ve never seen a game end on a winning goaltending call, that was a first. At least Trier put in a great effort, that was a tremendous block. Of course he shouldn’t goal tend on that play, but for a guy who gets bashed for his defensive play, it was good to see him not give up and block that shot. I noticed Knox and Mudiay were, ahem, ineffective on that play.

    Special bonus, it delivered another loss. All around, hard to be upset, although I’d have been ok with them winning that game in London too. Agree with the comments above about the assinine reasoning for why Frank or Robinson weren’t on the floor, makes you wonder.

  43. Was the ball not going through the hoop anyway? I agree it’s an unusual way for the game to attend but I think I’d rather trier block a layup than not (in a bizarro world where we are trying to win.)

  44. Trivia question: Russell Westbrook last night scored 26 points on 30 shot attempts.

    Who was the last player to score less than 30 points with 30 shot attempts?

  45. If we were to roll out a Mudiay/DSJ backcourt for the rest of the season both Chicago and Cleveland would have their work cut out for them.

    :)

    Agree with the comments above about the assinine reasoning for why Frank or Robinson weren’t on the floor, makes you wonder.

    that’s at least the second time this season fiz has had the wrong personnel out on the floor at the end of the game…i mean what – is he trying to lose on purpose or something…oh, yeah – maybe he is…

    thank goodness we’ll have him around for another few season of tanking…

  46. You feel better about a guy after finding out that he’s pulling himself from games and demanding a trade in his second season?

    I know just what you mean. I feel better about his talent, but not about him. But bear in mind, this is basically no different from what Irving did on the Cavaliers. Of course it gives me pause, but should we categorically not sign Irving because he forced his way out of Cleveland?

  47. @ 56 – very different situations. Irving wasn’t a second year player who isn’t very good. Irving is a top 15 player in the league and had all ready won a ring with The Cavs. He was looking to get out from Lebron’s shadow and knew that the Cavs weren’t going to win it all anyways bc Durant went to Golden State.

    That’s a very different scenario than a second year player sitting out and wanting a trade bc a better player has been drafted by the team and he can no longer be the ball dominant player he wants to be. Irving and Lebron worked for the most part for 3 seasons, went to 3 finals and won a championship. You can question whether he was wise to want out but his logic doesn’t seem as selfish to me. And he definitely earned the right to be a little selfish at that point in his career.

  48. I’m watching Spurs-Wolves and it’s interesting to think where the Knicks would be if we hadn’t fucked up and had Towns instead of Porzingis

  49. I don’t understand why it’s ok for a star to want out of his current situation, but not ok for a second year player to want the same thing. The star has more leverage, but that doesn’t mean it’s less or more ok on the player’s part.

    If you are the acquiring team you actually have more control over the second year player. As we all know, there’s no guarantee Boston will keep Irving or get anything for him after this year.

  50. Bc the Star has earned the right to have a say in the future if their career while DSJ has done nothing to warrant this behavior.

    I didn’t say it was OK just that they were different situations. On some level any NBA player trying to force their way off a team is not OK bc they’re all millionaires while the rest of us chumps have to work at our jobs and would get instantly fired if we pulled shit like that. But I think the world of the NBA I think an all star looking to get out from Lebrons shadow after playing with him for 3 seasons is different than a shitty second year player being mad bc he can’t share the ball w/ an obviously better player.

  51. they wanted to see how this group of players (namely Trier/Mudiay/THJ) could handle the situation

    I think it’s time to accept that Fizdale and the coaching staff are disinterested in actually winning games.

  52. You guys, when Frank’s shoulder gets healthy you’re all gonna have to eat some crow

    Just wait until you get a load of “good shoulder Frank”

    /s

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