Thread: Knicks v. Hornets or “Buzzer Beater”

See what I did there?  With the Hornets and the “Buzz” and well this…

In the rare 1pm Saturday game, the Knicks face a 15th consecutive defeat.  To avoid that, the team has to find a way to stop the very hot of late Kemba Walker (30.8 ppg over the last four outings).  Walker is having his best year as a pro.  His WS/48 is finally above league average (.122) after three seasons below .099. And his turnover volume is down to the lowest point of his career.

The thing that makes Walker so dangerous is that he is too fast for even good defenders to stay in front of him.  The Knicks have no good defenders.  [Editor’s Note: I do not yet know for sure that Langston Galloway is not a good defender. I’m just guessing that as a call-up he wants to fit in and probably won’t defend either. You don’t want to make Calderon look bad.] Walker can get past anyone he wants and since the Knicks have no rim protector, it’s dish or swish from there.  I’d guess he could go for 40 today if the teams didn’t play such a slow pace.

Ping-pong balls be damned.  I want a win.

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77 thoughts to “Thread: Knicks v. Hornets or “Buzzer Beater””

  1. Phil Jackson is talking to the media again today. If he was a guy I’d never heard of like John Idzik, and I could only go by what he has said in interviews since taking over, I’d go maybe 2 out 10. Including that preseason interview that everyone loved. So many odd things in that one. Like saying Pablo’s big problem was that he wasn’t aggressive enough on defense. Basically akin to saying that JR needs a social life. Or that Shumpert was a good driver and shot creator for teammates. Or that what Bargs most needs is a crossover dribble (?!?!). Or that Dalembert has to focus on improving his post up scoring. Or that TH2 is 6′ 8″. Admittedly, this stuff doesn’t really mean jack. But it’s noisy.

  2. Turns on game. Hears Clyde and breen talking about no transition D and Walker running free. Sounds about what I expected

  3. Seems like only yesterday that we beat Charlotte at MSG and improved our record to a heady 2-1.

    Ah, the good old days…

  4. Has Calderon completely lost the ability to feed the post? His entry passes have been just awful the last few games.

  5. Celeb row getting pretty shabby.

    Phil’s comments about attracting a big star were nice. We really gotta dump Melo

  6. Shane Larkin’s form on that free throw the Knicks took was better than several of the 16 the Hornet have tried.

  7. On Dec. 17, 1991, the Cavs took down the Heat 148-80, putting up the largest margin of victory in NBA history. Cleveland’s record after the game was 13-8 and the Heat fell below .500 at 11-12.

    We’re just trying to set records left and right.

  8. It is incredible people spend money to go to these games

    Probably mostly corporate money – don’t think they’re many real fans left who pay those prices. That’s why there are so few boos, JD’s purged any dissent.

  9. Daydream bubbles:

    Derek Fisher: The lockout
    Jose Calderon: 2006 FIBA world championships
    Cole: Oxygen
    Travis Wear: First quarter box-out of Biyombo
    Glenn Frey: Post game skype whiteboard recap with JD and Isiah
    Pablo: Holding Phil Jackson’s head under a nice ’82 Merlot Amar’e wine bath
    Clyde: Clyde does not daydream

  10. Shouldn’t we have our pick of any waived players? If expiring and > vet min, we could use a trade exception to grab him before clears waivers if I read CBA FAQ right. If expiring and vet min, wouldn't a waived player want to go somewhere where he'd get a lot of playing time like Knicks? The only issue might be luxury tax. Why else would Phil not cut Amare/Bargs/Smith? Why isn't Adrien on the team already?

  11. It’s distinctly possible that we might have the worst scoring performance of the shot clock era. The record is currently 49.

  12. This team is win-proof. It’s a perfect tanking machine. They don’t just lose every game, they get blown out every game, even by weak opponents. The best move now is to shut Melo down, waive Amar’e and let this current Wear Bear-Calderon-Jason Smith tanking juggernaut run its course. There is no way this bunch that suited up today could ever win an NBA game.

  13. The cherry on this sundae would be if the entire team were to foul out before the end of the game. You know it’s bad when we sorely miss Bargs’ offense and help defense. Didn’t Phil promise we’d be better in the new year? If by “better” he actually meant better in the sense of improving lotto chances then I guess he’s kept his promise. We now control our destiny: lose the rest of the games and we’ve got #1 pick. If we beat 76ers, however, they will be in the driver’s seat since they win the tiebreak. That game on the 21st will be epic and may influence our future for years.

  14. Phil, a man who coached a team to 72 wins, may have assembled a team that will tank to 72 loses.

  15. I could post the recap right now. It would be funny to recap a game during the 4th quarter, but I still worry that my sense of humor is going to get me fired.

  16. Cole’s got 5 days rest until the next game. He needs to work on staying upright during that time.

  17. The Knicks have cut the lead to 38- time to reinsert Jason Smith just to make sure they don’t complete the comeback.

  18. I’d love to be a fly in that locker room after the game. This is epic. It’s so bad, it’s actually, really, truly funny. I mean, how much worse can it get? I find myself excited to find out.

  19. Smart to keep Pablo on the bench. Maybe Fish is sparing the proud vet from having to be a part of this debacle or they think they might net a second-round pick for him and don’t want him injured.

  20. Losing by less than 30 counts as a win, right? Some days in this league you just can’t stop a superstar like Bismack Biyombo, you know?

  21. Phil, on how much longer Carmelo should play: “That has to be up to him. … I know the All-Star Game is important to him.”

    This quote tells you all you have to know about Phil and Melo. It symbolizes everything that’s wrong with our star and this franchise.

  22. Melo also needs to play in London so he can expand his brand overseas, you know. Please someone try to trade for him.

  23. So a guy wants to play in an all star game in his home arena. Crime of the century

    you guys man I tell ya

  24. Thank god PE 33 didn’t have to deal with social media and blogs. The Jordan/Robinson/Dream comparisons would have made my head explode

  25. You wonder why no one w ants to play for this god awful franchise….pillar of the league my ass

  26. I’ve been wanting to take my kids to a Westchester Knicks game, but I’m waiting for tickets to the Garden to drop a little further before I take them to one…

  27. It would be one thing if we were young and scrappy and lost games, but we’re just young and shitty.

  28. It would be one thing if we were young and scrappy and lost games, but we’re just young and shitty.

    Yeah, the only young players that look like they could stick are Cole and Larkin and they’re both likely gone after this year (seriously, Larkin is a young point guard who does some things decently. Someone will pay him more than $1.6m annually). I just don’t see how we’re going to build anything resembling a contender almost entirely through free agency.

  29. don’t worry about the triangle, just defend and rebound! can’t comprehend why these players can’t or won’t do that

    Phil said leave Fisher alone and it’s all him, then fire Fish and coach this mess yourself like Riley did in Miami

  30. One the one hand, it’s hard to criticize a father for supporting his son. On the other hand, Doc Rivers out of his goddamn mind.

  31. I didn’t see video of the press conference from Phil but I certainly thought that it was interesting that he talked about a total rebuild and not trying to just sign star names and that it was a multi year process now. Obviously the guy didn’t do a good job this year while slightly hamstrung but you can’t take anything away from how he handled himself.

  32. @cgreene, I didn’t see that anywhere in what he said http://www.msg.com/teams/knicks.html?vid=2647036485

    He conceded that the team was bad now and that he had overestimated their abilities. He even said he did a poor job choosing players to bring in for the season, which seemed sort of absurd… The only significant move he made was the Chandler trade, and if he thought Calderon was somehow an upgrade over Chandler, then he’s nuts.

    But as far as the plan goes, he’s still whole hog on free agency 2015. There’s just no other way to interpret the JR Smith/Shumpert trade. If he was going multi-year rebuild, then he could have just waived JR Smith and actually gotten something of value (since 2015 cap room would be unimportant) such as a pick in return for Shumpert.

  33. Max – what did you expect him to say? I was rebuilding all along and everything that I said at the beginning of the year was a fabrication? He copped to trying to stitch it together with the players that he had under contract plus his tweaks and failing. He also said that (and I’m paraphrasing here) that he was interested in bringing in 5-6 players (implying w the cap space) rather than trying to go after a short term fix. He absolutely said that.

  34. He also said that (and I’m paraphrasing here) that he was interested in bringing in 5-6 players (implying w the cap space) rather than trying to go after a short term fix

    5-6 players for $26 equals roughly $4 million per player. That’s basically six Jason Smiths coming in next year, based on what we know Phil thinks a below mid-level player looks like.

  35. The only way this team can potentially compete is is they land Okafor who seems pretty NBA-ready. Other players like Towns will need a year or two of development and then it just doesn’t make sense to keep Melo.
    The Clips would be an ideal destination for Melo and Mrs. Melo. If we could get a top 10 pick, top 20 pick, and a good role player, I’d do that on draft night. Both Melo and Jax have to be thinking about this possibility by now.

  36. Problem with moving Melo to the Clips is that they’ve got nothing the Knicks would want that they’d be willing to trade- Reddick and a couple of late first rounders? I guess it might be worth it just to get out from under Melo’s salary but doesn’t really help the rebuilding process much. Not trying to figure out a sign and trade with the Bulls is looking worse and worse. What realistic Melo trades are out there that he’d agree to?

  37. Philly putting some distance between themselves and the Knicks. Minnesota looks like the Knicks only competition for the worst record.

  38. Last Bulls player to score 40+ pts with 15+ rebs was MJ in 1990 when he scored 69 pts and grabbed 18 rebs. The game did go into overtime though so put an asterisk on that one lol.

  39. 5-6 players for $26 equals roughly $4 million per player. That’s basically six Jason Smiths coming in next year, based on what we know Phil thinks a below mid-level player looks like.

    Umm, you know that’s not how it works, right? lol

    The only way this team can potentially compete is is they land Okafor who seems pretty NBA-ready. Other players like Towns will need a year or two of development and then it just doesn’t make sense to keep Melo.

    You know, I hear ya given that you figure we’re on Melo’s biological clock. But gimmie the guy who’ll be the best player btwn the two. It reminds me of I believe the ’04 Draft where you had Emeka Okafor and Dwight Howard at the top. People were saying that Okafor was more NBA-ready than Howard, but it only took 2-3 years to show that Howard was the better big.

  40. Ironic that a guy named Okafor was the most NBA ready player in that draft. At the time, I thought that the Magic were insane to take Howard over him, which is why it’s a good thing I’m not a GM.

  41. Not trying to figure out a sign and trade with the Bulls is looking worse and worse. What realistic Melo trades are out there that he’d agree to?

    If Chicago falters and is eliminated in 2nd round (Pau performance meh), Melo for Pau and Mirotic? Pau then recruits Marc to Knicks and NYC culture. But would Gasol boys be upset if we then dumped their fellow Spaniard Calderon to free up cap for Matthews or Draymond? Marc (20m), Pau (7m), Draymond (16m) or Matthews (13m), Towns (5m), Mirotic (6m), Beverley (10m) = 61-64m. draymond would be close because of cap holds but Matthews scenario could work.

  42. I compared Quincy Acy to Tyler Hansbrough type but I might have short changed Acy. I know Acy is shorter but can he come close to Taj Gibson. Acy came into the league as a 21 year old and Taj came in at 24, like Acy is now. As a 24 year old Taj rebounded better and defended better but if Acy keeps it up he would be the more efficient 24 year old.

    So is there something there in Acy that he can improve and become a consistant offensive player and become a better defender? Can he become stronger at the point of attack in the post and not be over powered?

  43. Philly putting some distance between themselves and the Knicks. Minnesota looks like the Knicks only competition for the worst record.

    T-Wolves have some key players returning from injuries which should run their tanker aground. If we lose to 76ers on the 21st, we’re then our own worst enemy. By that I mean freakin’ Melo’s brand and the desire to play in All-star game and Phil’s deferring to Melo. Sheesh – the more things change, the more they stay the same.

  44. @Zanzibar

    I think the fact that Jackson is making it clear that Melo makes his own choices is as much as he can do to control Melo. He’s implying Melo is being a little selfish without saying it outright. He’s being the master-manipulator that he always has been.

    As far as our pick and the cap space goes, while I’m opposed to he idea, I would not be surprised at all if we end up trading the pick. If we end up with a top 3 pick, I could see us trading for Chris Bosh — swap picks with Miami and take back Bosh as well. DeMarcus Cousins is another potential target depending on how Sac’s season plays out, and a deal involving Joakim Noah could be possible as well given Chicago’s frontcourt depth and Noah’s advancing age.

    If they don’t trade the pick, they are going to have a hard time rationalizing keeping Anthony.

  45. If we trade our pick this year im packing my bags and moving to san Antonio to pretend that I’ve always been a spurs fan.

  46. @65 it would have to be a 3 way deal with someone giving us a top 10 pick and receiving DeAndre Jordan in return.

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