Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Dec 14 2011)

  1. [New York Post] Woodson brings new elements to D’Antoni staff (Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:46:59 -0500)

    This was late in the 1981 season, and the Knicks were enjoying a brief, fleeting renaissance during Red Holzman’s second stint on the bench, a 50-win season that actually had some folks comparing Ray Williams and Sugar Ray Richardson to Pearl Monroe and Clyde Frazier ‘ proof that Knicks fans…

  2. [New York Post] Evans emerges as Knicks wait on Crawford (Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:22:13 -0500)

    It’s down to either Jamal Crawford, Shawne Williams and a new name on their list, Maurice Evans, for the Knicks’ $2.5 million exception.
    Have the Knicks been used in Crawford negotiations to drive up other bidders? They will find out today, when Crawford makes his decision. He has…

  3. [New York Post] Knicks coach: If we win this season, I’ll be back next year (Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:41:56 -0500)

    Coach Mike D’Antoni, commenting on his lame-duck status, said if he wins, he will be back next season ‘ end of story.
    ‘Every coach wants to stay where he is,” D’Antoni said. ‘You get close to players. If things work out, it takes care of itself. Coaches are always…

  4. [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Chandler stunned by schedule (Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:02:09 EDT)

    Tyson Chandler was sitting in the barber’s chair last Friday when he saw the 66-game schedule for the first time.
    Let’s just say it caught him off guard.
    “I almost fell over,” Chandler recalled Monday with a smile. “I couldn’t believe all the games and the back to backs and the flight schedule.”
    The Knicks will be playing 66 games in 124 days this season. The scheduled includes 21 back-to-backs, one back-to-back-to-back and four sets of four games in five nights.]]>

  5. [New York Times] Anthony’s Balky Knee Further Unsettles Knicks (Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:54:05 GMT)

    The Knicks are only days away from their first exhibition game and less than two weeks away from the start of the season, but have a roster that remains in flux.

  6. [New York Times] Pistons’ Ben Wallace Receives Probation (Wed, 14 Dec 2011 03:31:45 GMT)

    Detroit Pistons center Ben Wallace was sentenced to a year of probation but avoided jail time on drunken driving and gun possession charges that stemmed from a September traffic stop in Detroit.

  7. [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Ben Wallace Receives Probation (Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:30:53 GMT)

    Detroit Pistons center Ben Wallace was sentenced to a year of probation but avoided jail time on drunken driving and gun possession charges that stemmed from a September traffic stop in Detroit.

  8. [New York Times] AAU to Hold News Conference on Abuse Allegations (Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:22:10 GMT)

    The Amateur Athletic Union was set to announce changes Wednesday to its child safety policies after its former president became the target of a child molestation investigation.

  9. [New York Times] Mavericks Trade Away Fernandez, Brewers to Nuggets (Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:37:06 GMT)

    The NBA champion Dallas Mavericks continued their roster changes on Tuesday by trading away Spanish guard Rudy Fernandez and forward Corey Brewer to the Denver Nuggets.

  10. [New York Times] Rush for Christmas Start Leaves NBA in Disarray (Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:25:33 GMT)
  11. [New York Times] New Mavs Odom, Carter Eager to Help Defend Title (Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:37:12 GMT)

    Lamar Odom knows what it takes to repeat as an NBA champion.

  12. [New York Times] On Basketball: N.B.A. and Its Conflicts Cloud Getting Best Deal for Hornets (Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:48:04 GMT)

    When the person vetoing trade offers for Chris Paul is the N.B.A.’s commissioner, conflicts of interest abound.

  13. [New York Daily News] Knicks need Santa’s help (Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:00:00 GMT)

    The Knicks have 11 shopping days until their Christmas opener against the Boston Celtics, which doesn’t give them much time to upgrade their bench and find a starting point guard.

  14. [New York Daily News] D’Antoni is not defensive on Woodson (Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:59:12 GMT)

    Mike D’Antoni is working without a safety net this season but the Knicks coach, whose contract expires in June, reiterated Tuesday that he hopes to return to the club. ‘I think every coach wants to stay where he is,’ D’Antoni said.

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86 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Dec 14 2011)”

  1. They’re still with the Jamal Crawford fetish. Eeech he’s my poster child for everything that sucked and I hated about the Isaiah era.

  2. “Woodson brings new elements to D’Antoni staff” is one of the few articles that points out that Woodson isn’t necessarily a defensive minded coach.

    Thought this was interesting from “Anthony’s Balky Knee Further Unsettles Knicks”

    As of now, Toney Douglas and Landry Fields are the starting guards. Iman Shumpert, the team’s top rookie, is seen as the backup to Fields at shooting guard and has impressed D’Antoni with his athleticism.

    Also making sure people can read this today. ;-)

  3. This one is a bit old (12/12/11) but I didn’t notice it on any of the other posts so here goes:

    http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/12/the-many-virtues-of-tyson-chandler/?ref=sports&pagewanted=all

    Beck mentions that Chandler, Anthony, and Fields were all very good rebounders for their position. It bears noticing also that Douglas had a rebound rate of 7.1 which would have been 6th among all PGs (for some reason Hollinger puts Toney as a SG). In addition, Shumpert was #2 amongst all point guards in the NCAA in rebounds/40 (7.4 per 40) also. So I will be quite surprised if our rebounding ends up being as big a problem this year as it was last year. We could potentially put 4 positionally elite rebounders onto the floor at the same time (all but Amare).

  4. Frank:
    This one is a bit old (12/12/11) but I didn’t notice it on any of the other posts so here goes:

    http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/12/the-many-virtues-of-tyson-chandler/?ref=sports&pagewanted=all

    Beck mentions that Chandler, Anthony, and Fields were all very good rebounders for their position.It bears noticing also that Douglas had a rebound rate of 7.1 which would have been 6th among all PGs (for some reason Hollinger puts Toney as a SG).In addition, Shumpert was #2 amongst all point guards in the NCAA in rebounds/40 (7.4 per 40) also.So I will be quite surprised if our rebounding ends up being as big a problem this year as it was last year.We could potentially put 4 positionally elite rebounders onto the floor at the same time (all but Amare).

    I agree. Also, Stoudemire is an ok rebounder for a PF, even if he’s awful for a center. Plus this year our better rebounders are likely to actually play.

  5. This comment irritates me so much:

    Eddy Curry, when asked about the MIA-NYK game: “Looking forward to that game. All I think about is that game.” (from iamagm.com)

    Eddy – you gained about 200 lbs and ate yourself onto the bench. You couldn’t make it through 2 days of practice without hurting yourself. No one wants to hear about your “revenge”. If anything you should thank the Knicks for not trying to figure out how to terminate you with cause and void your contract. Your existence is an insult to all the hardworking people in the world who show up and do their best at their job everyday (and who can get fired and NOT continue get millions of $ per year from a guaranteed contract).

  6. Please, please, please don’t let this Dwight-Howard-To-The-Nets thing happen. Now supposedly the Nets are going to trade draft picks for Gerald Wallace, then flip Wallace and Brook Lopez for Dwight Howard and Hedo Turkoglu. If that’s all it costs to get you Dwight Howard these days, something is seriously wrong with the world.

  7. Maybe it’s just the post-Chandler high wearing off, but I have a strong feeling we’re going to get stomped in the Christmas opener. Overall, I think we have more talent than the C’s. But 3-4 years of teamwork > 2-3 weeks, so much so that I think it outweighs our talent. We’ll see how old they look, but I’m not too optimistic.

    I’m also very concerned about our depth. If we play it safe for the post-season, we can’t really play TC as much as we would, especially considering the condensed schedule. That means more Jeffries, who, although he’s a defender (by process of elimination), can’t fill a lane / DWTCD. Our other option is obviously Amare, who we don’t want banging with much bigger centers throughout the season. My thinking is that means we need stronger backcourt D. It looks like TD and Iman will be solid defensively, but Landry is decent at best and our other fillers (ie Bibby) are red carpets to the hoop.

    If we get Crawford we’re not fixing that issue. However, while I do think he’s tremendously overrated, I think anyone would be crazy to say that 2.5mil for him wouldn’t be a steal. I’m divided on the issue.

  8. Yeah, I don’t get it, either, JK47. What is this fascination with Brook Lopez? The guy just flat out is not that good! I mean, don’t get me wrong, when Howard says that he’ll only accept a trade to one of three teams, it definitely does limit your options, and I suppose Brook Lopez and Gerald Wallace are better than anything Dallas can trade you. Plus, if the Lakers honestly feel that they’d be better off with Paul and Bynum over Howard, then I guess the Lakers have nothing to trade, either. So I guess that’s how the Nets are able to pick him up for the poo poo platter, because it is more of a platter than anyone else can deal. When does Howard need to be traded for his new team to have his Bird Rights?

  9. Howard needs to be traded before the New Year in order for him to get the Bird level contract.

    Yeah, I don’t see how Brook Lopez, an old Gerald Wallace, and the privilege of dumping Duhon and Turk is a fair trade for Orlando. That’s a much worse trade than the NOH-LA-HOU trade (although Orlando would save lots of $) and Howard is better/younger/healthier than Paul while playing THE premium position.

    If you ask me, Bynum+Gasol isn’t even enough for Howard – I can’t see how Lopez and Wallace is even close to that.

  10. If the Nets-D12 deal goes through, there will be a feeding frenzy by local writers about how the Nets have upstaged their crosstown rivals, how their big 2 is far superior to our big 2, blah blah blah. And the ESPN Knick haters in particular will have a field day. Can’t wait.

  11. Uhh, what draft picks can the Nets even move? Didn’t they just surrender a slew of them in the Deron Williams deal?

    No way in hell the Magic take Wallace and Lopez and picks. They can do better sending Howard to a contender as a rental.

  12. If Orlando is smart (and they’re not) they’d sit on this for a while. I just don’t think you can trade Dwight Howard, blow up your whole franchise and get a 29-year old Gerald Wallace and a mediocre Brook Lopez as your new “building blocks.” There aren’t even any draft picks heading to Orlando in this scenario.

  13. d-mar:
    If the Nets-D12 deal goes through, there will be a feeding frenzy by local writers about how the Nets have upstaged their crosstown rivals, how their big 2 is far superior to our big 2, blah blah blah. And the ESPN Knick haters in particular will have a field day. Can’t wait.

    Won’t they be right, though? I mean, NJ is getting Dwight Friggin Howard for a fraction of what we paid to get Carmelo Anthony. It would be an absolute coup.

  14. I don’t think the deal goes through as described. Even if it does, I like our chances vs the Nets with Deron and Dwight. I like the team we have and am totally psyched for the next 4 years. Bring ’em on!

  15. Howard needs to be traded before the New Year in order for him to get the Bird level contract.

    So they should wait until the season actually starts to see what the Lakers end up doing, right?

  16. What does Orlando care if Howard gets his Bird contract? He’s likely out the door either way. “Oh, hey, thanks for bailing on us. Here’s a trade to your preferred destination in which we get pennies on the dollar, all done neatly in time so you can get more money.”

  17. The Lakers should forget about Chris Paul and turn their attention to Howard. A three way trade in which Gasol is traded for draft picks, then Bynum and the draft picks are flipped for Howard makes infinitely more sense than the Brook Lopez-Gerald Wallace farce.

  18. The LA/ORL/HOU trade seemed to make the most sense. It could be adjusted.

    LA gets: Howard, Thabeet, Q-Rich and Duhon

    HOU gets: Gasol and Turkoglu and a 1st from LA

    ORL gets: Bynum, Kevin Martin, Patrick Patterson and Matt Barnes a 1st from Hou

    Something like that.

  19. What does Orlando care if Howard gets his Bird contract? He’s likely out the door either way. “Oh, hey, thanks for bailing on us. Here’s a trade to your preferred destination in which we get pennies on the dollar, all done neatly in time so you can get more money.”

    While it is a bit off here, since New Jersey is giving up so little, in normal circumstances, the team dealing for Howard will want to be able to have his Bird Rights, so they will pay more in trade for them.

  20. Also, we seem to have emerged as a finalist for Reggie Williams’ talents.

    Good. He’ll be a nice fit. I could possibly see him even supplanting Landry if he continues to not fit in.

  21. @ 10: Absolutely on the money with that prediction…I think I alluded to that happening in an earlier post in another thread yesterday….media probably secretly praying D12 goes to Brooklyn so they can tear apart Donnie Walsh´s strategy and the Melo plan. Truth is if New Jersey gets him I think they will have left the cupboard even more bare than the Knicks post-melo trade..who would they have…D-Will, Dwight, Turkoglu and Duhon!!!!

  22. looking at reggie williams’ stats, im impressed, 43% from 3 pt range…statistically he is better than Crawford in almost every category. annd can be had at half the price …havent we seen enough turnovers and forced shots by Crawford, why bring him into a team with 2 superstars who need the ball to create… bad idea, we need a perimiter defender with 3 pt range; hoping Fields emerges as that guy, that would be huge for us!

  23. Reggie Williams would be an amazing signing for us. Reggie is a very dangerous sniper and at 25 he’s still young. His career TS% is over .580… I am drooling over this possibility.

  24. Hopefully LAL plays role of NJ´s foil in competition for D12, like Jersey did for us last year in the Melo sweepstakes…at the very least the Lakers showing interest should drive up the price for D12….and maybe make NJ/brooklyn have to give up even more (not that they have much left to give..what else do they have? Morrow?). I think the CBA really hampered NYK in the negotiations with Melo…he ceded to the pressure of the unknown and was committed to being traded and couldn{t wait for free agency, therefore I think would have gone to Nets if Knicks didn´t pay up…if Dwight does the same (being willing to go to more than 1 team, like Lakers OR Nets), then the time that gets him will have to pony up…problem is they don´t seem to have much to give, and Lakers have little leverage since they wouldn´t have cap space to sign him next summer if he makes it to free agency.

  25. Reggie Williams would be a amazing pickup. It would completely solidify our rotation at the wing. I’m really surprised he didn’t get more interest especially when you consider that Butler got a $24 million contract. He is easily a better pick up than Shawne, Evans or Crawford.

  26. Reggie Williams from daily boxscore perusal always seemed pretty good. Nice to see the metrics and you guys back that uninformed observation up. Yes to Reggie Williams 2.0 no to Jamal Crawford 2.0.

  27. Reggie Williams would be a amazing pickup. It would completely solidify our rotation at the wing. I’m really surprised he didn’t get more interest especially when you consider that Butler got a $24 million contract.

    You’re not really surprised, are you?

    Caron Butler Career Points Per Game? 16.6
    Jamal Crawford? 15.4
    Reggie Williams? 10.6

    Therefore, Caron Butler is better than Jamal Crawford who is better than Reggie Williams.

    Welcome to the mind of the typical NBA GM.

  28. Needless, to say I’m guessing NJ is banking on Orlando dumping some of its toxic assets, not just getting something of equal value for Dwight.

    That may or may not help you wrap your head around how the Nets may get him for what seems like so little.

  29. A lineup of Bibby, Reggie Williams, Melo and Amare would strike fear in the hearts of defensive purists everywhere, regardless of who is in the middle.

  30. from realGM.com:

    The Magic has ended trade talks for Dwight Howard, league sources said.

    This would seem to indicate that the team intends to at least start the season with Howard and attempt to convince him to remain in Orlando beyond this season.

    The Nets had been in pursuit of Howard and were reportedly constructing a complicated trade to acquire him.

    Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports (via Twitter)

  31. what could the warrirs be thinking when signing Kwame for $7m for 1 year, would any team even pay half of that?

  32. @44

    Reggie Williams is kind of like the inverse of Iman Shumpert.

    Reggie has the great jumper; Shumpert’s is a question mark.
    Reggie is a horrible defender, Shumpert is by all accounts a plus defender.
    Reggie is not all that athletic. Shumpert is freakishly athletic.
    Reggie is a 2, but has the footspeed of a 3. Shumpert is a 2, but has the footspeed of a 1.

  33. If the Nets trade BLopez and picks for Howard, what’s their team? Williams/Howard is a heck of a nucleus, but if they take back Duhon/Turk, they are pretty much at the cap until the end of next season with minimal draft picks. They’d have holes at both the 3 and 4 if the amnesty Outlaw (I suppose HT plays the 3). I still think it would take a while for that team to come together though they’d instantly be a credible playoff team.

  34. NJ reportedly offered 5 1st round draft picks (on, that is not a misprint, here I’ll spell is out F.I.V.E.) and Lopez for Howard. That would be 2 picks in 2012 (NJ’s and Houston’s), the 2014 pick, the 2016 pick and the 2018 pick.

    Are you kidding me? Especially if they are will to take Hedo off my plate as well, I’m taking that deal.

  35. Do you know what a team could do with 5 1st round draft picks? So in 2012, they would have 3 chances in the first round to get stud players (2 picks plus their own).

    If one is a stud, you keep building around him with many more draft picks for years to come. Also, those draft picks become assets for trades in the future. If you don’t get at least one stud, then you probably have a bunch of very good young cheap players, the kind that teams crave in a trade for an established veteran.

    Are you kidding me Orlando?

  36. As many have astutely pointed out, some of those draft picks would have gone to Portland to recruit Gerald Wallace into the deal, although if your larger point is that the Magic should have been happy with 5 first round picks and why bother with Wallace… I mean…those Nets picks with D12 and Deron Williams are likely to all be 20 or higher… I’d take the haul the Hornets were getting for Paul in both the LAC and LAL scenarios over that.

    RE Shumperts jump shot: I believe in miracles. Every video I’ve seen from this summer/training camp, it looks much better than college.

  37. Rodney Stuckey balking at Pistons offer of 5 years $40-45 M. He’s balking at $8-9 M a year? What has this world come to? This guy is not even worth that and should grab that offer and run with it before Detroit comes to its senses. I don’t think any other team would offer him that much for his services.

    Didn’t they learn from Sprewell never to overvalue your worth, especially when there is only one bidder?

  38. Agree with @50 on Stuckey.

    Mike, you showed impressive restraint not correcting “johncarollscoutsinc” as he trumpeted the idea that bibby would be the starter (and would be horrible) / questioned our messiah Iman’s defensive ability/ failed to neglect Toney D’s defensive ability.
    Clearly hasn’t watched a ton of Knicks preview stuff. But nice work on the Dime.

  39. This is one of those “no use looking back at what-ifs” kind of questions, but in hindsight, given the team we’ve wound up with at this point, would we have been better off gambling on Selby in round 2 than taking Jorts? I know at the time we had Billups, a disastrous center position and the plan was to try to get CP3 or Deron the following year, and there’s no way we could’ve known. And maybe Selby turns out to be terrible. But with 20/20 hindsight, he seems like the only high-upside PG prospect in the second round.

    Meh. I’m very happy with our team, even if none of the PG candidates (including DWTDD himself) seems 100% ideal. But the thought did occur to me today for some reason.

  40. Let’s get to the games!

    This is a top 4 team in the east and come playoffs, if they stay healthy in such an intensive schedule, with time to gel, this team could do a lot of good.
    I can’t believe we got Chandler.

  41. HILARIOUS! I defended Eddy Curry to death in the face of utter ridicule in the hopes that he’d again show even a glimmer of his 19pts/8rb season! We paid him to do NOTHING for so long…then he says he cant wait to face the Knicks with the Heat this year?? (assuming he means revenge. maybe he just means he’ll be nervous)? WTF? If i got paid to do nothing..i’d be the happiest person ever wearing a closed zipper between my lips. That may be a worse homecoming than Lebron to Cleveland.

  42. steveoh:
    Of course he can’t wait for the Knicks to play the Heat again.

    He’ll have the best seat in the house.

    Funniest thing I’ve read all day.

  43. Few opinions on CP3 and DH12 which are short, slightly contradictory and laced with conspiracy theory. With CP3, I say Stern knows he screwed up will eventually allow a trade with the Lakers go through..he just needs to let this drag out, make it seem like he was trying to help small markets and treat the lowly Clippers equally to the Lakers. All smoke and mirrors..he’s saving face. I also think he’s trying to have both stay with their current teams beyond Jan 1 so they lose their bird rights which will really put the new CBA to the test..lets see who gives up cash to play ‘where they want’. Now, specifically for DH12, if you were Stern..you’ve got a new arena opening in Brooklyn with a charasmatic young billionaire owner (running for the top political office in Russia) who will pay lots of $$ in luxury taxes…its the first time ever to have two teams in NY which would create a media frenzy and big-time storyline if both teams are competitive…where would YOU want to have your best center? DH12 to NJ..lock it up.

  44. Eternal OptiKnist:
    HILARIOUS!I defended Eddy Curry to death in the face of utter ridicule in the hopes that he’d again show even a glimmer of his 19pts/8rb season!We paid him to do NOTHING for so long…then he says he cant wait to face the Knicks with the Heat this year?? (assuming he means revenge.maybe he just means he’ll be nervous)?WTF?If i got paid to do nothing..i’d be the happiest person ever wearing a closed zipper between my lips.That may be a worse homecoming than Lebron to Cleveland.

    more likely eddy won’t be in any condition to play

  45. steveoh: Of course he can’t wait for the Knicks to play the Heat again.He’ll have the best seat in the house.

    Well played sir, lol!!

  46. Probably true..but i’ll believe it when i hear it from Wojo or Hahn. Isola comes of as very dim to me.

  47. Frank O.: Jamal Crawford has ruled out signing with the Knicks.Crawford would have been forced to accept far less money with New York than his rival offers.The Knicks will now almost certainly sign Shawne Williams.Via Frank Isola/New York Daily News (via Twitter)Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217527/Crawford_Wont_Sign_With_Knicks#ixzz1gYFv1AJi

    Probably true..but i’ll believe it when i hear it from Wojo or Hahn. Isola comes of as very dim to me. But i dont know how much me wanting Jamal here is nostalgia vs how smart of a move it is. If im not mistaken though, we would have signed Jamal to the $2.5MM AND Williams to the vet min, no? i could be wrong about that.

  48. Frank O.: Count me as glad. Jamal is the past.

      

    Agreed. At 31, if we can’t be more excited than we are about what Jamal might bring to the table, it’s probably not worth it. Assuming he signs, having Extra E adds some much-needed front court depth. Plus, at 6 years (?) younger, there’s still room for growth and improvement.

  49. Jafa:
    Do you know what a team could do with 5 1st round draft picks?So in 2012, they would have 3 chances in the first round to get stud players (2 picks plus their own).

    If one is a stud, you keep building around him with many more draft picks for years to come.Also, those draft picks become assets for trades in the future.If you don’t get at least one stud, then you probably have a bunch of very good young cheap players, the kind that teams crave in a trade for an established veteran.

    Are you kidding me Orlando?

    Some of those picks would have gone to Portland and they would ship Gerald Wallace to Orlando. Meanwhile, Nets management must be in full panic mode.

  50. Jim Cavan (@JPCavan): Agreed. At 31, if we can’t be more excited than we are about what Jamal might bring to the table, it’s probably not worth it. Assuming he signs, having Extra E adds some much-needed front court depth. Plus, at 6 years (?) younger, there’s still room for growth and improvement.

    and a guy who at least tries on defense. Jamal was a matador

  51. I know people like extra e but I’m worried his shooting last year was a bit of an illusion. After his hot start he shot just over 33% from 3 over the last 3 months of the season. That combined with the fact he is really a SF and is undersized when defending in the post makes me wonder if he is really a great fit.

  52. Jim Cavan (@JPCavan): Agreed. At 31, if we can’t be more excited than we are about what Jamal might bring to the table, it’s probably not worth it. Assuming he signs, having Extra E adds some much-needed front court depth. Plus, at 6 years (?) younger, there’s still room for growth and improvement.

    although as so many have pointed out here, Extra E is probably what he is going to be at this point in his career. Not a lot changes in players after a certain period.

  53. Ben R:
    I know people like extra e but I’m worried his shooting last year was a bit of an illusion. After his hot start he shot just over 33% from 3 over the last 3 months of the season. That combined with the fact he is really a SF and is undersized when defending in the post makes me wonder if he is really a great fit.

    But remember, on this team, he has a smaller role. We needed him to do a lot more in past seasons. This time around, you need a guy for maybe 10 minutes a game, I’m thinking…

  54. Frank O.: But remember, on this team, he has a smaller role. We needed him to do a lot more in past seasons. This time around, you need a guy for maybe 10 minutes a game, I’m thinking…

    I just don’t see him getting 20 minutes per again

  55. Frank O.: But remember, on this team, he has a smaller role. We needed him to do a lot more in past seasons. This time around, you need a guy for maybe 10 minutes a game, I’m thinking…

    I know that’s true and I would be okay with the signing, it’s just if he doesn’t shoot upwards of 38% from 3 he is not really worth putting out there because Walker is a better shooter and Jeffries is a better defender. I personally would have liked us keeping Sheldon Williams or targeting a true PF with our mini exemption. Now most of the decent ones have been signed and so I think someone like Reggie Williams would be a pretty big step up from Extra E.

  56. I think extra-e’s shooting will be fine as will his defense as he now doesn’t need to play center. His only downside of EE that (assuming he’s off the bench) is the inability to create his own shot…jcrossover can.

  57. BenR.–Your point is well taken. However, I think several guys wore down a bit as the season progressed. I’m not being an apologist, but lengthy minutes defending big bodies might have taken its toll. I’m totally good with the Knicks signing E. I don’t think he’s a perfect fit, but he knows the system, has been through a lot and has come out swinging. I respect that and root for him to succeed. I think he’s a serious guy who will polish his game. He can definitely hit the three and certainly efforts on D. Also, I would l like to end the drama, get the team assembled and rock and roll.

  58. I like Extra E as much as the next schmuck, but he’s a tweener who played a little over his head last year. Williams’ shooting trumps everything he has to offer.

  59. I don’t know if they “let” Reggie go, Jake, so much as he took the exact same money we could have offered and went to a team where he has a better chance of starting, playing major minutes and parlaying that into a bigger contract two seasons from now.

    Maybe we didn’t make him an offer, but if we did and he passed, I can’t blame the guy.

  60. I don’t know, I think he might have given Landry a pretty good run for his money. And playing for a winner in a major market can only help your financial prospects–just look at that pipsqueak JJ Barea (or Barera as Bob Neptune likes to call him). If the Knicks didn’t offer him the same contract, they damn well should have.

  61. Gotta give credit where it’s due (or something). Sheridan said Shawne is a poor man’s Jamal Crawford, and here we are- trying to sign him after we couldn’t afford Crawford.

  62. May I shift gears and please feel free to tune me out. I am trying to understand the statistical approach a little more. As I noted previously, I see things a bit differently than some, but love this blog and its approach. I utilize and rely (in part) on statistical analysis in my work when I consider things such as the risk of reoffending. This approach is generally accepted and is particularly germane relative to sex offenders. The risk instruments are carefully designed to predict future behavior in the same way we try to predict how a player will perform in the future. The stakes are a lot higher. This area is constantly evolving and multiple factors are analyzed. In B-Ball, aren’t there any other variables that can be measured accurately w/o going hog wild and can then be factored into the two popular formulas? Simple question-can’t the two popular formulas be combined with some added numbers to create a more complete formula?

  63. Baron Davis news:

    Hahn re-tweeteth Marc J Spears of Yahoo Sports: Baron Davis’ agent Todd Ramasar tells Y! Sports his client has a serious herniated disk injury and will be out 8-10 weeks minimum.

    http://twitter.com/#!/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/147147203226501120

    … And Davis himself: At this point I am just going to focus on my back! That’s my main concern so I can be able to play the game I love.!! Thank You 4 the Luv!

    http://twitter.com/#!/Baron_Davis/status/147141189081104384

    So much for that plan.

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