Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jan 19 2012)

  • [New York Post] Knicks in ‘crisis’ after Suns hand team fourth straight loss (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:15:08 -0500)

    The only solace to another horrific Garden evening is maybe Steve Nash will be doing this for the Knicks next season and not against them.
    Sore-wristed Carmelo Anthony could not have been more awful and Amar’e Stoudemire wasn’t much better. Anthony did not speak afterward. A team official…

  • [New York Post] Nash defends old coach (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:01:35 -0500)

    Steve Nash drilled Mike D’Antoni on the court last night in carrying the Suns to a 91-88 victory, but he had his former coach’s back afterward, saying the Knicks coach has faced nothing but upheaval during his tenure.With speculation Nash would want to play in New York…

  • [New York Post] Team USA: â??Better players’ than Amar’e (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:12:15 -0500)

    Knicks brass believes they have three stars on their roster but Team USA CEO Jerry Colangelo believes it’s just two. According to a person familiar with the decision, Knicks power forward Amar’e Stoudemire was left off the U.S. Olympic Team roster of 20 finalists partly because Team…

  • [New York Times] Suns 91, Knicks 88: Steve Nash Scores 26 to Lead Suns Over Knicks, 91-88 (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:50:10 GMT)

    Steve Nash, who make six free throws in the final 16.9 seconds, had 26 points and 11 assists as the Suns beat the struggling Knicks at Madison Square Garden.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Abdul-Jabbar Drafted by U.S. as Cultural Ambassador (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:50:19 GMT)

    The former N.B.A. star Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was named a United States cultural ambassador Wednesday, a job that will begin with a trip to Brazil.

  • [New York Times] Big Shot Billups Lands Winning Blow for Clippers (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:11:57 GMT)

    Chauncey Billups delivered on his reputation as “Mr Big Shot” with a game-winning three-pointer with one second remaining to give the Los Angeles Clippers a 91-89 home victory over the Dallas Mavericks on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Billups’ 3 With Second Left Lifts Clips Over Mavs (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:57:10 GMT)

    Chauncey Billups hit a winning 3-pointer with 1 second left as the Los Angeles Clippers stunned the defending NBA champion Dallas Mavericks 91-89 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Kings Rally in 4th Quarter to Beat Pacers 92-88 (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:20:52 GMT)

    Marcus Thornton scored 17 points and the Sacramento Kings rallied from 14 points down in the fourth quarter to beat the Indiana Pacers 92-88 Wednesday night, snapping a three-game losing streak.

  • [New York Times] Steve Nash Shows Knicks What They’re Missing (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:24:51 GMT)

    The Suns’ point guard, who can be a free agent after the season, led Phoenix to a 91-88 victory over the struggling Knicks.

  • [New York Times] Joe Johnson Leads Hawks to 4th Straight Win (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:21:06 GMT)

    Joe Johnson bounced back from a sluggish start to score 24 points and came up with a key defensive play down the stretch, leading the Atlanta Hawks to their fourth straight victory since losing All-Star center Al Horford, 92-89 over the Portland Trail Blazers on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Timberwolves Outlast Woeful Pistons, 93-85 (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:51:08 GMT)

    Kevin Love had 20 points and 17 rebounds and the Minnesota Timberwolves overcame a dreadful start to the game to slug out a 93-85 victory over the Detroit Pistons on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Gasol Lead Grizzlies Past Hornets 93-87 (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:03:20 GMT)

    By the time the Hornets figured out how to slow down Marc Gasol, it was too late.

  • [New York Times] Celtics Beat Raptors 96-73 to Snap 5-Game Skid (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:27:05 GMT)

    Rajon Rondo scored 13 of his 21 points in the first quarter and the Boston Celtics ended a five-game losing streak with a 96-73 win over the reeling Toronto Raptors on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Nash, Suns Beat Knicks to End 5-Game Skid (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:18:01 GMT)

    Steve Nash had 26 points and 11 assists, Shannon Brown hit a crucial 3-pointer that was as ugly as this game, and the Phoenix Suns snapped a five-game losing streak with a 91-88 victory over the New York Knicks on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Williams Leads Nets Past Warriors 107-100 (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:18:07 GMT)

    Deron Williams scored 24 points, 11 coming in crucial stretch of the fourth quarter, and had 10 assists and eight rebounds, leading the New Jersey Nets to their first home win, a 107-100 victory against the Golden State Warriors on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Parker Lifts Spurs Over Magic 85-83 in OT (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:27:02 GMT)

    Tony Parker scored 25 points, including 16 in the fourth quarter and overtime, and San Antonio held on to beat Orlando 85-83 Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Wall, Young Help Wizards Break Thunder Streak (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:02:56 GMT)

    John Wall scored 25 points, Nick Young had 24 and Jordan Crawford added 18 to lead Washington to a 105-102 victory over Oklahoma City on Wednesday night, snapping the Thunder’s seven-game winning streak and giving the Wizards just their second win of the season.

  • [New York Times] Miller Leads Nuggets Over 76ers in OT (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:03:03 GMT)

    Andre Miller scored a season-high 28 points off the bench, Nene had 20 points and 14 rebounds and the Denver Nuggets beat the Philadelphia 76ers 108-104 in overtime Wednesday night.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Ageless Hill holds Melo to season-low (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:58:18 EDT)

    NEW YORK – Carmelo Anthony played with a sprained left wrist and sprained right ankle. He has also been carrying the Knicks staggering offense for most of the season, including five games where he scored 30 or more points.
    Anthony didn’t shoot well Wednesday night. New York’s star player went a painful 5 for 22 and scored a season-low 12 points, and collected 11 rebounds, 4 assists and a fadeaway 3-pointer that cut the Suns lead to one with six seconds left in the Knicks’ 91-88 loss.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Knicks keep getting outplayed at the point (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:31:55 EDT)

    NEW YORK — Mike D’Antoni may need to take his guys out on the Hudson River so they can get a sense of where the ball should end up. As Carmelo Anthony stated after the Magic loss on Monday afternoon, “We can’t shoot the ball in the ocean.”
    Entering Wednesday, the Knicks were fifth-worst in the league in field goal percentage. In their 91-88 loss to the Suns tonight, they shot 37.2 percent, compared to their opponent’s 45.6. After the game, Iman Shumpert had a solution for how the team can score: more open looks, especially for Carmelo Anthony (5-for-22 tonight) and Amare Stoudemire (7-for-22).

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Sense of urgency sets in for the Knicks (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:11:19 EDT)

    After four straight losses, the Knicks are out of excuses.
    That’s the message Amare Stoudemire delivered after New York flat-lined on Wednesday night against a Suns team that came into town on a five-game losing streak.
    “We feel like it’s very important for us to really get going now. It’s still early. But we can’t keep making that ‘early’ excuse,” Stoudemire said. “We need to start pushing for it right now and really trying to get over the hump.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Late 3-pointer breaks Knicks (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:58:07 EDT)

    NEW YORK — When Michael Redd walked out of the Phoenix Suns locker room Wednesday night, he encountered teammate Shannon Brown.
    “We’re going to do that again,” Redd said. “We’re going to keep doing that.”

    AP Photo/Frank Franklin IIShannon Brown went downtown to hit the game’s biggest shot.
    Redd spent time working on one-on-one drills during warmups with Brown, who said the idea was simply to get him into the flow of actually playing before he checked into the game for the first time.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Nash: 'I'm happily with the Suns' (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:31:15 EDT)

    NEW YORK — Regardless of whether Knicks fans were salivating at the thought of watching Steve Nash run New York’s offense, or whether Mike D’Antoni looked at Nash and envisioned “Seven Seconds or Less, The Sequel,” Nash isn’t thinking that far ahead.
    “I’m still with the Suns and happily with the Suns,” Nash said after carving up the Knicks for 26 points and 11 assists in the Suns’ 91-88 win Wednesday night. “I’ve put everything I have into trying to turn this thing around and trying to see what we can do to get ourselves in back into contention.

  • [New York Daily News] Melo and Amar’e go cold against Suns in loss (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:59:55 GMT)

    The Knicks misery is gaining momentum as Steve Nash, Mike D’Antoni’s all-time favorite player, scored 26 points with 11 assists as the lowly Phoenix Suns ended a five-game losing streak with a 91-88 victory.

  • [New York Daily News] At Garden, Torts not like Mike (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:12:56 GMT)

    James Dolan addresses the media about as often as the Knicks win playoff games. Less is more in Dolan’s world, unless you’re talking about ticket prices at the World’s Most Famous Arena.

  • [New York Daily News] Nash could fix Knicks (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:10:43 GMT)

    Steve Nash could be the answer to the Knicks point guard troubles. That is, if they’re willing to wait until next season to get him and Nash wants to play out his final years chasing a title in New York.

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    106 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Jan 19 2012)”

    1. F’in A scanning the headlines and blurbs and everything is wait ’til next year when Nash is available. A few days before that it was all wait until Baron Davis is back. Half a season ago there were some screaming for ‘Melo and then for the magic “gel”. Before that two seasons of clearing cap space for LeBron, who had to come he wore a Yankee cap in public. Before that need a training camp together, Tim Thomas’s sister died, etc. etc. Its @+&%* tiring. How about putting together a competent roster and going with the flow. Rant over.

    2. A few thoughts from last night –

      Watching Toney get beat off the dribble by Nash was difficult. He is a huge liability whenever on the court.

      On several occasions, Melo was fed the ball in the post where he couldn’t finish because he was undersized. Conversely, Amare was fed the ball in a location where he could either dribble into double coverage or jack up a 15 footer. Our guards were not playing to our stars’ strengths.

      I can’t count how many times players were mismatched on coverage. Bibby against Gortat should never happen.

      I hope Melo’s wrist is bothering him. Otherwise, there was no excuse for his poor shooting last night.

      I had free tickets in section 104 last night and I still couldn’t shake the feeling that I overpaid for them.

    3. I hope Melo’s wrist is bothering him. Otherwise, there was no excuse for his poor shooting last night.

      It sure appeared to be hurting to me. I think that’s a reasonable excuse for his poor shooting at the moment. Of course, as I mentioned before the second half, I didn’t want him to force the issue with a bum wrist and he obviously did do that (what did he shoot, 4-18 in the second half?).

    4. Nick C.:
      F’in A scanning the headlines and blurbs and everything is wait ’til next year when Nash is available. A few days before that it was all wait until Baron Davis is back.Half a season ago there were some screaming for ‘Melo and then for the magic “gel”. Before that two seasons of clearing cap space for LeBron, who had to come he wore a Yankee cap in public.Before that need a training camp together, Tim Thomas’s sister died, etc. etc. Its @+&%* tiring. How about putting together a competent roster and going with the flow. Rant over.

      You’ve noticed.

    5. hate to say this, but shump isn’t even the best rookie in the tri state area, and he’s our only shining light so far.

    6. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): It sure appeared to be hurting to me. I think that’s a reasonable excuse for his poor shooting at the moment. Of course, as I mentioned before the second half, I didn’t want him to force the issue with a bum wrist and he obviously did do that (what did he shoot, 4-18 in the second half?).

      Not to go all Neanderthal on this thread, but I don’t see Kobe whining about his wrist. Be a man, Melo. BE A MAN.

    7. You know what I’ve noticed so far – with the condensed schedule, it seems like the best teams in the NBA are almost, like, “half assing” games against weak opponents. Often, they’re good enough to recover and still win those games, but it still leads to some bizarre results, like the Thunder losing to the Wizards, the Nuggets losing to the Hornets, the Heat and the Bulls both losing to the Warriors, the Lakers losing to the Kings, etc.

      Heck, it almost seems like the Jazz are building a good record up out of just beating unsuspecting teams that look past them. So far they’ve defeated the Clippers, the Nuggets and the Blazers (and early on, before the Blazers began tiring).

    8. Not to go all Neanderthal on this thread, but I don’t see Kobe whining about his wrist. Be a man, Melo. BE A MAN.

      But I think that’s my problem. Melo is certainly not going to complain about his wrist, so he is going to try to power through it and keep shooting, even if the wrist is impeding his ability to hit shots. I appreciate the general desire to be tough and play through pain (Melo is a tough guy), but if the end result is that he’s going to shoot terribly, I’d prefer that the team just live or die by the supporting cast taking open shots that they have no reason not to make. It is certainly frustrating for Melo to watch them brick these shots, of course, but theoretically there is a better chance that professional healthy NBA players will hit more of these shots off of open looks than Melo will hit shooting with an injured wrist (that is clearly affecting his shot).

    9. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): But I think that’s my problem. Melo is certainly not going to complain about his wrist, so he is going to try to power through it and keep shooting, even if the wrist is impeding his ability to hit shots. I appreciate the general desire to be tough and play through pain (Melo is a tough guy), but if the end result is that he’s going to shoot terribly, I’d prefer that the team just live or die by the supporting cast taking open shots that they have no reason not to make. It is certainly frustrating for Melo to watch them brick these shots, of course, but theoretically there is a better chance that professional healthy NBA players will hit more of these shots off of open looks than Melo will hit shooting with an injured wrist (that is clearly affecting his shot).

      As a sentient being capable of empathy, I agree with you completely. As a semi-irrational sports fan, I wish Melo had a higher pain threshold. If you say you’re good to go, you better be good to go. Grinding through an injury and then claiming you have trouble gripping the ball feels like the act of someone trying (and failing) to prove his toughness. Just get it done, either by shooting the ball effectively or playing the role of distributor for your admittedly crappy teammates. This in between stuff doesn’t fly.

      With all of that said, I am decidedly pro-Melo, so I’m inclined to let this one slide.

    10. I’m getting tired of hearing wait till – whatever the next excuse is. I agree that the Knicks should stop waiting till the next “superstar” is coming up on free agency and just build a roster that can grow together. I’d rather wait a season or two while the team keeps a roster intact that can learn to play together and grow together and have an out of nowhere season like the 76ers are having so far. I don’t care that Baron Davis hasn’t played yet. I’m not holding my breath expecting that he’s going to be the savior. I’m not going to lay blame on any of the players at this point. This has taken over a decade to create and it’s not going to be solved in one season. The front office needs to bit the bullet and understand that this will take time and stop going after the blockbuster move that will solve this overnight.

    11. Is allan houston willing to suit up? need a shooter and its not like their going to shoot any better from three against him

    12. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin):
      I didn’t see any of Melo’s post-game comments, so yeah, if he was complaining about his injury than yes, that’s annoying.

      He actually missed a point blank layup at a crucial moment, which he put up too strong. He just looked totally out of sync, in a way I hope it was his wrist, because that was just a hideous shooting exhibition.

    13. Melo’s ts% now at 52.2%.

      Which is really more to say that we are still working on an incredibly small sample so far, something to keep in mind when making judgements about how everyone is playing…

    14. Melo’s wrist looked fine on the fast break dunk. When he missed that layup on a real nice move, he should have just dunked it. He has more flash to his game than I ever remembered. He now flicks his jumper rather than shoot and follow through. Anyone else noticing that?

    15. Melo didn’t address the media after the game due to “family issues.”

      Yeah, Jake later clarified that he was referring to Melo’s comments after the Orlando game.

      As for the wrist looking good on the dunk, that makes sense, though, doesn’t it? A bum wrist is going to affect shooting more than dunking, right?

    16. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): Yeah, Jake later clarified that he was referring to Melo’s comments after the Orlando game. As for the wrist looking good on the dunk, that makes sense, though, doesn’t it? A bum wrist is going to affect shooting more than dunking, right?

      Without a doubt – which is why when Melo burns a guy to the hoop (which he does about 3-4 times per game), he needs to dunk it. He misses a lot of chippies, pre-wrist injury as well.

    17. I think Amare is really who we should be worried about. He now thinks he can do things like: 1. shoot an 18 footer, 2. take his man off the dribble. These are things he didn’t do in Phoenix, and he still can’t do them. Those are things Melo does.
      He needs focus on 1. finishing on the fast break, 2. rebounding, 3. running the pnr with someone, 4. blocking shots from the weakside.
      His rebounds are about the same as last season, which is fine. He’s getting less blocks b/c as a pf, it’s harder to block a center from the weakside than a pf. Ok, fine, maybe that’s Tyson’s job now. But #1 and #3 are totally interdependent on a 2nd player – one we don’t have. Like many are saying, Baron should help. He’s run at a fast pace in G.S. so he should feed Amare on the break more than Amare’s getting now and he knows how to run the pnr.
      In the meantime, Amare should seriously just stay out of the way on offense. You have to wonder if Amare/Tyson is a bad fit b/c Tyson can also run the pnr well and now that we’re a halfcourt team, maybe we don’t need a great finisher on the break?
      Honestly an Amare for D. Lee trade would help everyone.

    18. Without a doubt – which is why when Melo burns a guy to the hoop (which he does about 3-4 times per game), he needs to dunk it. He misses a lot of chippies, pre-wrist injury as well.

      Oh yeah, I absolutely agree. I complained about it before it even happened – that I was afraid he was going to try to shoot the Knicks to a victory, which was not a good idea when he was shooting with a bum wrist.

    19. ess-dog:
      I think Amare is really who we should be worried about.He now thinks he can do things like:1. shoot an 18 footer, 2. take his man off the dribble.These are things he didn’t do in Phoenix, and he still can’t do them.Those are things Melo does.
      He needs focus on 1. finishing on the fast break, 2. rebounding, 3. running the pnr with someone, 4. blocking shots from the weakside.
      His rebounds are about the same as last season, which is fine.He’s getting less blocks b/c as a pf, it’s harder to block a center from the weakside than a pf.Ok, fine, maybe that’s Tyson’s job now.But #1 and #3 are totally interdependent on a 2nd player – one we don’t have.Like many are saying, Baron should help.He’s run at a fast pace in G.S. so he should feed Amare on the break more than Amare’s getting now and he knows how to run the pnr.
      In the meantime, Amare should seriously just stay out of the way on offense.You have to wonder if Amare/Tyson is a bad fit b/c Tyson can also run the pnr well and now that we’re a halfcourt team, maybe we don’t need a great finisher on the break?
      Honestly an Amare for D. Lee trade would help everyone.

      I totally agree with you, but my dream trade would be sending Amare and Fields to Houston for Scola and 2 of their young players, Courtney Lee, Dragic, Terrence Williams, Chase Budinger, anyone who can actually perform at an acceptable NBA level and have some upside.

      Scola is also struggling this season so his value shouldn’t be too high, and having nba rotation-level guys on the guard positions would help us a lot.

    20. Bruno Almeida: I totally agree with you, but my dream trade would be sending Amare and Fields to Houston for Scola and 2 of their young players, Courtney Lee, Dragic, Terrence Williams, Chase Budinger, anyone who can actually perform at an acceptable NBA level and have some upside.

      Scola is also struggling this season so his value shouldn’t be too high, and having nba rotation-level guys on the guard positions would help us a lot.

      The problem with that trade is that the Rockets already have Amare-lite in Jordan Hill and they’re not really a running team. Jeez, ARE there any “running” teams anymore? Even Golden State is phasing that out somewhat. OKC perhaps, as they are so young and athletic.
      I suppose to some degree Amare needs to open up his game since he’s getting older but the problem is, he doesn’t have the basketball savvy that a Scola does so he just forces the issue with ugly results.

    21. Was checking out 82games and got a good laugh out of our production at the PG slot. Our PG position is generating a PER of 8.6 with an eFG% of 40%. I don’t think you can do much worse than picking an athletic dude out of the garden crowd. In all seriousness, I don’t understand why teams don’t replace garbage NBA players with D-league studs more often (or at least the Knicks don’t). The Knicks D-league affiliate has a 24yr old guard Donald Sloan who’s tearing it up right now, averaging 8 assists, 5 boards, 50% FG….granted, it’s only been a few games and I don’t know anything about him other than the basic available stats, but surely he can hold the fort for us at PG until the Baron experiment starts, no?

      Separately, does anyone have any insight into what’s wrong with Amare? It’s hard to watch him out there. Ball handling has always been a problem for him, but now he’s moving in slow motion, making terrible decisions, and his shot has completely abandoned him. Nobody falls off a cliff this fast…there’s gotta be something else going on, right?

    22. Scrap that, he’s under contract with the Hawks, but point still stands. We don’t make use of the D-league at all, and when we do find a diamond in the rough (Mozgov), we immediately toss him in as filler for a bloated Melo deal.

    23. If we’re talking hypothetical trades, Deron Williams is playing poorly enough that the Knicks could probably get Deron plus an asset for Melo at this point. How about Morrow? Dude hasn’t shot under 42% from three any year in the NBA.

      Deron and Morrow for Melo would be a reasonable trade. Then maybe Howard would join Melo next season in New Jersey. It could work out for everybody. Except Baron Davis, that is.

    24. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin):
      Deron Williams is playing poorly enough that the Knicks could probably get Deron plus an asset for Melo at this point. How about Morrow? Dude hasn’t shot under 42% from three any year in the NBA.

      Deron and Morrow for Melo would be a reasonable trade. Then maybe Howard would join Melo next season in New Jersey. It could work out for everybody. Except Baron Davis, that is.

      that’d be a reasonable trade, but the Knicks front office won’t even think about that, imo… and would we be any better than those Jazz teams that never reached the NBA finals? I don’t see Amare + Deron + Chandler + bunch of scrubs being any better than Boozer + Deron + Okur + Kirilenko + bunch of scrubs, unless Shumpert REALLY breaks out.

    25. D-Will/Davis
      Shumpert/Douglas
      Morrow/Fields/Walker
      Amar’e/Harrelson/Balkman
      Chandler/Jeffries

      Now that is a logically constructed team (although still obviously weak in the bench area and Morrow is out of place as a 3, but you have to get him into the lineup with his outside stroke).

      Melo is the Knicks’ best player, but you can’t deal Chandler (literally) and you can’t deal Amar’e for anything worthwhile (because he is playing terribly), so dealing Melo is the best bet to get a roster that makes sense.

      Or, of course, you can sit back and hope Baron Davis fixes things. That approach is a reasonable one, mind you. I am not knocking that idea. Just if you do decide to break the team up, I think Melo is the only guy you can deal and get a good return on.

    26. If you want to look at a bright side, the Knicks are tied for 11th in the league in defensive efficiency. The offense is 23rd, but seriously – don’t we expect Douglas, Fields, Walker and Stoudemire to eventually play a lot better than they have? I mean maybe they weren’t as good as advertised, but all these guys except Fields have multiple years under the belt where they shot much, much better. So a lot of this is fluky.

      Speaking of which, can you believe the Knicks have had a better offense than 7 other teams? Can you imagine how painful it must be to watch the Wizards, or the Raptors, night after night?

      @28 Mozgov is already 25 years old – he’s a career backup. Moving his $4 million a year is about the best thing that came out of that trade.

      @29 I am really wondering about Deron Williams – I’ve always had a hard time pegging just how good he is. And yes, he’s been awful. Of course it could just be Vince Carter-itis. But I’m not sure he’s actually better than Melo, or better enough. If we want to be bold – which I doubt – we could probably swing something like my favorite Melo for Iggy & Jrue Holliday trade, or something else for players who won’t underachieve.

    27. @31
      yeah, if we go the trade route, Deron is the only superstar that could be obtained by trading Melo, and that would be a better team than the one we currently have, specially since we would have the full MLE to get a better SF or some frontcourt backup.

      I still don’t think that’s a championship team, but watching it play would be way less painful than seeing this Knicks team sleepwalk through games.

    28. What about Amare/Fields to the Nets for Humphries/Morrow or Brooks/2012 pick and a future pick?
      We would get a good player in a loaded draft and then have cap room for Howard/Ryan Anderson/Nash/Wallace/Batum/whoever.

    29. Caleb:
      If you want to look at a bright side, the Knicks are tied for 11th in the league in defensive efficiency. The offense is 23rd, but seriously – don’t we expect Douglas, Fields, Walker and Stoudemire to eventually play a lot better than they have?

      Yeah this is crazy. Especially with everyone griping about the switching (me included) and yet the defense is vastly improved. Imagine it without Amare? LOL.
      Fields I have hope for (and Amare as well) but TD and Walker look cooked. Not to be a broken record, but all signs point to a semblance of a point guard remedying a lot of our offensive woes.

    30. The deal should be Amare for D Will.

      The Nets are really stuck if D Will leaves, having invested so many draft picks. Their owner is also rich enough to absorb the blow if Amare’s knees go mid-contract w/o insurance coverage.

      So my vote is to wait for the trading deadline, then extract D Will plus maybe an asset or two in exchange for Amare. By waiting, we’d probably also block them from acquiring Dwight Howard.

      Post-trade, we’d be VERY strong at 1, 3, and 5, all of whom can function in an efficient half-court offense. It shouldn’t be too hard to slot in a 2 who can play D and hit the 3 plus a banger at the 4 in the off-season. Bring in a coach like Rick Carlyle who knows how to organize a half-court offense and a strong defense, and you’ve got a contender.

    31. While I don’t think BD is going to put the Knicks in championship contention, I really would like to wait to see what kind of difference he makes before breaking up the team. The Knicks have had horrible point guard play in a system that is unusually point guard reliant. Other than the Melo/Chandler pnr can you think of one other set that’s even had a modicum of consistent success? Yes, Melo’s iso’s have had a chilling effect on the offense but they account for what, 20-25% of the total plays run? Nothing is happening the other 75% of the time either. BD is a low-efficiency chucker but thus far both Douglas and Shumpert have been lower efficiency, just as high usage guys, who, unlike Davis, have no clue how to run an offense. Even if we get lazy Clipper Davis, we’re probably a five seed. If Davis gets back soon and proves capable of actually running SSOL, I’d say there’s a shot at a three seed and then- this weird season especially- who knows?

    32. Brightside – the season just got going after a long lockout and no camp. Fields looked really really good last night and if he ever becomes reliable (which I think he can do if he sticks to driving to the hoop and pulling up mid-range), a Fields, Shumpert and Davis backcourt is pretty good.

      Our guys just are not knocking down any shots (including Amare’s usually reliable 17 footer). That can’t possibly last all season. . . wait . . . it can’t, right????!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

    33. This is petty of me, of course, but man it irritates me to hear that Westbrook just signed an extension for the current maximum ($80 million for 5 years) rather than wait until the end of the season when he could get $94 million for 5 years (since he’s likely to make another All-NBA team and therefore qualify for the “Derrick Rose Rule”). He does this for OKC but neither Amar’e nor Melo would give up a penny in their deals for the Knicks.

    34. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin):
      This is petty of me, of course, but man it irritates me to hear that Westbrook just signed an extension for the current maximum ($80 million for 5 years) rather than wait until the end of the season when he could get $94 million for 5 years (since he’s likely to make another All-NBA team and therefore qualify for the “Derrick Rose Rule”). He does this for OKC but neither Amar’e nor Melo would give up a penny in their deals for the Knicks.

      and it seems that his deal is locked at the regular max, and has no clause that would get him to 30% if he makes another all-nba team…

    35. PC: Brightside – the season just got going after a long lockout and no camp. Fields looked really really good last night and if he ever becomes reliable (which I think he can do if he sticks to driving to the hoop and pulling up mid-range), a Fields, Shumpert and Davis backcourt is pretty good. Our guys just are not knocking down any shots (including Amare’s usually reliable 17 footer). That can’t possibly last all season. . . wait . . . it can’t, right????!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

      Last night was the first time I’ve seen that side of Fields since before the Melo trade. He was the best Knick on the court for most of the night.

    36. and it seems that his deal is locked at the regular max, and has no clause that would get him to 30% if he makes another all-nba team…

      Yeah, that’s what I meant – he signed at a discount. It is petty of me, but it annoys me to see other teams get discounts from their stars while the Knicks get taken for every last red cent from their stars. Again, I am a firm believer in the freedom of every person to get the best possible deal for themselves, and I don’t blame Amar’e or Melo for getting every penny they possibly could, it just irrationally irks me to see other teams get players giving them discounts.

    37. I thought we might regret not saving the amnisty for Amare in year 4 of his contract but how good would the ability to cut Amare after the season look right now. He might have the worst contract in the NBA. I think it’s a toss up between him and Johnson.

    38. Hm, looks like Melo’s possibly out the next 2 game for “personal family reasons”. Not that we were winning those two games anyway.

    39. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): Yeah, that’s what I meant – he signed at a discount. It is petty of me, but it annoys me to see other teams get discounts from their stars while the Knicks get taken for every last red cent from their stars. Again, I am a firm believer in the freedom of every person to get the best possible deal for themselves, and I don’t blame Amar’e or Melo for getting every penny they possibly could, it just irrationally irks me to see other teams get players giving them discounts.

      that’s what we get by having James Dolan as the owner of this franchise…

      sometimes when discussing basketball matters we forget how incredibly inept he is as an owner, he doesn’t get bashed nearly enough in comparison to the players / coaches on this team.

      he’s the one who gutted our roster to get Melo when we could wait and get Deron or Melo as a free agent, he’s the one who gave Amare an uninsurable max contract, and he’s the one who hired D’Antoni and Woodson in the first place… even if he wasn’t the “mind” behind those deals, he is the one writing the checks and ultimately, the one to blame for this debacle.

    40. Before we get all caught up in the “Westbrook gave up money!” story, rookies become restricted free agents at the end of their deals so they rarely get the best possible deal in an extension since they trade a bit of extra money for a lot of job security. Remember someone like Westbrook has been on a small rookie scale, this is going to be his first real NBA contract, and Rondo, Noah, and others have taken smaller deals for the added job security. Almost no player in the league would give up the max when offered.

    41. I’m not gonna say D’Antoni is a bad coach, because he’s had success in the NBA. But he is a bad fit for this group. This team can’t run his preferred SSOL offense, and in the absence of that he seems to have few answers. It’s now 15 games into the season and the team still has a pickup-game feel to it.

      The additions of Shumpert, Jorts and Chandler have led to real improvements on the defensive end– I think even Melo is playing some pretty good D a lot of the time. NYK is 3rd in defensive rebounding and 3rd in defensive turnover percentage. These are some real, tangible, sustainable improvements, something to really build on. There’s no way this offense should rank #23 in the NBA. There’s a lack of a plan out there and a lack of discipline, and that’s on D’Antoni.

    42. Jowles, you got your way. The team sucks. You are right and the team is bad, which is just the way you wanted it. You’d rather be “right” and prove your superiority to a bunch of people on a basketball blog that you will never meet than actually be proven wrong and have the team you claim to root for actually win something.

      So kudos to you.

    43. The Honorable Cock Jowles: I’ll wait for a few more weeks before I start asking for people to start saying, “Cock Jowles, you were right.” Remember when people were saying this team would go 40-23? hahahahahhahahahahaha

      And thusly The Cock croweth, 14 games into the season. Your predictions are infallible, as surely as 40+23=66

    44. @JK47

      Let’s say your friend had $30k for a new car. He wanted to get a used Corvette so he could pick up all the girlies. You said “get something practical man!” He said, “Naw. Girlies. I want girlies.”

      Two weeks later, the car start breaks down and then goes up in flames. He is now driving a rental Toyota Tercel. He is out $30k. The girlies give him the “scrub” treatment now (“stop tryin to holler at me.”)

      How would you feel if your friend ended up that way? Would you hug him and say “oh I’m so sorry that didn’t work out! It was a great plan!” No, you’d say, “I told you so.” I think that’s how a lot of board members feel here. Some say it more delicately than THCJ, but I respect the POV.

      Besides, every good game Melo has, there are like fourteen comments along the lines of, “Where are the Melo haters now?”

    45. I wonder if he’s like this in real life. I wonder if he says to his wife, “See, I told you that steak was gonna be overcooked. I demand that you admit I was right. Hahahahahahaha”

      Smart guy but insufferably juvenile.

    46. Z-man:

      And thusly The Cock croweth, 14 games into the season. Your predictions are infallible, as surely as 40+23=66

      BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

    47. JK47:
      Jowles, you got your way.The team sucks.You are right and the team is bad, which is just the way you wanted it.You’d rather be “right” and prove your superiority to a bunch of people on a basketball blog that you will never meet than actually be proven wrong and have the team you claim to root for actually win something.

      So kudos to you.

      No, I’d rather see a winning team. What makes you think otherwise? Mike K. covered this for me in one of the previous “heated” threads. I’m a Knicks fan, but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with their personnel decisions. I have an emotional interest (though not as great as in the 90s when I was growing up), so I hate to see the team waste its precious resources (this is a salary cap league, after all) on a long-term strategy that looks grim. Of course there’s a chance I could be wrong, but I haven’t been so far, and I doubt I will be in the future. Not about this, at least.

      And thanks for the personal insults. My relationship is just fine, thanks. She doesn’t understand how the man she dates can be so nice to her and so mean to The Internet, but she understands the struggle between scientific thought and gut feeling/instinct (she’s a philosophy of math student), so she gets it, partially.

      And I’m not a troll. James Dolan is a troll. Sportswriters are trolls. I predicted something based on “pseudoscientific” math, and so far, I’ve been (gasp!) right. Why should I back down from my initial predictions? Because I’m supposed to blindly root for a team that is constructed based on All-NBA selections and points per game, and not all those other metrics, however flawed, that paint a very different picture of how good Carmelo + Amar’e as 60% of the team’s cap can be?

      And by the way: Carmelo’s had a good season by his standards, but his TS% has dipped to .522, below his career…

    48. And mea culpa on the record math.

      I stopped with differential equations — math never suited me. But I bet you can tell that, as I’ve made a simple arithmetic error. Kinda makes me look stupid, right? I am so stupid.

    49. Latke- funny analogy. Except the car was meant to win races, and of course pick up some girlies. The knicks decided to go with the corvette engine, and build up the rest. the little mazda they had before was fast and pretty, but ultimately you were going to have to replace that engine to run with the big boys. Problem is that engine was real pricey, and know is running on a cheap chassis, and the driver is not a jack of all trades that can adapt. Some knick fans were happy with that little mazda, and after all those years on that beat-up 92 camry I cant blame them.

    50. latke:
      @JK47

      Let’s say your friend had $30k for a new car. He wanted to get a used Corvette so he could pick up all the girlies. You said “get something practical man!” He said, “Naw. Girlies. I want girlies.”

      Two weeks later, the car start breaks down and then goes up in flames. He is now driving a rental Toyota Tercel. He is out $30k. The girlies give him the “scrub” treatment now (“stop tryin to holler at me.”)

      How would you feel if your friend ended up that way? Would you hug him and say “oh I’m so sorry that didn’t work out! It was a great plan!” No, you’d say, “I told you so.” I think that’s how a lot of board members feel here. Some say it more delicately than THCJ, but I respect the POV.

      Hey, the Corvette’s stalled and while it might have a cracked block and be worthless, it might also just have a clogged fuel line and we happen to have a spare in the trunk. True, even if it is just a fuel line, the girlies who like Corvettes rarely wear championship rings but at this point any girlies will do.

    51. “Why should I back down from my initial predictions? Because I’m supposed to blindly root for a team that is constructed based on All-NBA selections and points per game, and not all those other metrics, however flawed, that paint a very different picture of how good Carmelo + Amar’e as 60% of the team’s cap can be?”

      Yes, that is all well and good. Nobody would expect you to back down from your predictions. I’ve defended you in the past and find you to be very knowledgeable. But what people have a problem with is this:

      “I’ll wait for a few more weeks before I start asking for people to start saying, “Cock Jowles, you were right.” Remember when people were saying this team would go 40-23? hahahahahhahahahahaha”

      Maybe turn the smug down to like, a 4.

    52. I don’t think THCJ’s comments are content-free- he toes the Berri line for the most part and I may not agree most of the time but that’s fine. I do find it surprising that a guy who regularly bemoans the level of discourse on the site any time someone ignores advanced stats would also post “Haha I’m right, you’re wrong idiot” comments as he’s done multiple times this season.

    53. CJ-I like the stuff you write, but the “ha, ha, ha, I’m right” stuff rubs some folks wrong. I’m sure you realize this reaction is normal, which is maybe why you do it. Who knows? I hope not. Anyway, it is true that the Knicks suck and suck bad. It has gone on for a long time and reminds me of a really scary Twilight Zone episode where the characters try to climb out of a mysterious cylinder. They make a human ladder. When one gets out, you find out that he is merely a doll and this little snip of a girl (Dolan in drag) throws him back into a Goodwill collection vat.

    54. The interesting part of this season is the defense really has improved dramatically as has the defensive rebounding. Amazing that the offense has been so awful it has more than off-set the improvements on defense.

      If you wouldve told me before the season thru 14 games the Knicks would be 11th in defensive efficiency and a Top 3 defensive rebounding team (in terms of defensive rebounding rate as mentioned earlier) I wouldve been beyond thrilled and figured they would be 9-5 or 10-4.

    55. BBA-Is the increased defensive efficiency a function in part of the slower pace? If so, to what extent? Can this be figured out.

    56. @64

      Defensive efficiency is pace-adjusted, and at any rate the Knicks are still one of the fastest paced teams in the Association– they’re third in pace, behind only the Nuggets and Heat.

      If the Knicks could just somehow stop the endless downpour of 3’s, they’d be quite a good defensive team. They’re #11 in defensive efficiency despite ranking 27th in eFG% allowed. They’re able to do that because they have been excellent at defensive rebounding and creating turnovers, ranking 3rd in the NBA in both categories.

    57. daJudge:
      BBA-Is the increased defensive efficiency a function in part of the slower pace?If so, to what extent?Can this be figured out.

      Read JK47 in comment 66, couldnt have said it better myself lol

    58. I was actually surprised to see that the Knicks are playing at such a fast pace. You would think that they’d slow it down due to their lack of anything resembling a point guard, but they’re still out there trying to play some weirdo mongrel version of SSOL with predictably ugly results.

    59. jon abbey:

      I don’t know why Mike puts up with it, absolutely no content, just an obnoxious ass who knows about 12% as much about hoops as he thinks he does.

      Well, that’s still 5% more than what I really know. And Mike made me an admin.

    60. Guys, cut out the personal attacks. No matter how much you may dislike anyone’s comment, calling someone an “obnoxious ass” or discussing their spouse is not allowed. Criticize the argument, not the poster.

      It’s painful rooting for this team right now, I get it. But we’re not devolving into a realgm forum here. For everyone’s sake, can we all please take a couple of deep breaths.

    61. JK47:
      @64

      Defensive efficiency is pace-adjusted, and at any rate the Knicks are still one of the fastest paced teams in the Association– they’re third in pace, behind only the Nuggets and Heat.

      the “Association”?

    62. To lighten things up, I read in RealGM today that Eddy Curry lost 100 pounds. My first thought was, “where, in London”. God that was awfull. (three really bad jokes) Anyway, I guess what gets to me is that the Knicks are bad, but they are what they are. These are our players. If anyone believes that the posters on this site are not real fans, their belief is highly misplaced since following this team is abject torture. However, rather than looking at former Knicks, potential Knicks, injured Knicks, spurned Knicks, inter-utero Knicks, how ’bout we try to focus on our team in this particular space timeframe. Maybe that will make it easier (or harder). What three things do we need to do to get better, without trades or suggesting that our players completely morph.

    63. “What three things do we need to do to get better, without trades or suggesting that our players completely morph.”

      Shoot better, shoot better and shoot better.

    64. I think people use the term “League” more often than “Association.” The NBL doesn’t have a very good ring to it though.

    65. jon abbey-I’m sure you know this, but step back, media censorship/black listing is almost always a terrible idea.

    66. daJudge: What three things do we need to do to get better, without trades or suggesting that our players completely morph.

      I think a major change in rotation would be the best thing. Make Amare 6th man, add Balkman to the rotation and try to become a great defensive team. Our offense is never going to fit together right, it is too much of a mishmash of disparate parts to really hope for cohesion, so we should focus on trying to stop the other team, get easy baskets off of turnovers and then live with iso ball from Melo.

      We are near the top in both creating turnovers and defensive rebounding, if we could become even just average in opponent fg%we would be near the top in defensive efficiency. I think moving Amare out of the starting lineup and adding Jorts, Jeffries or Balkman in his place would do that without hurting our offensive efficiency much.

      We run two units out there,
      1st unit: Shumpert, Balkman, Melo, Jeffries, Chandler
      2nd unit: Davis, Fields, Walker, Jorts, Amare

      1st unit – defensive, slow pased, iso based basketball with a lot of potential to score off turnovers
      2nd unit – ssol, fast pased, take advantage of Amare’s abilty to score on opposing centers

      That would be my plan and it would allow us to limit everyone to 30 minutes or less and keep us healthy and fresh.

    67. Thank you Ben R. I should have added, with this coach. Balkman can’t even get off the pine. If we are including BD, how about BD, Melo, Jorts. Amare and Chandler. Lot’s of guys to pass to for BD. Not so hot on D, but OK, with Jorts, who plays good D as far as I can tell and Chandler, the savant. Second unit—Shump, Fields, Balkman, Walker and Jeffries. Shump takingthe lead on offense, with his great D.

    68. @80 Ben, please tell me you saw me posting about Amare as 6th man yesterday. I need to be acknowledged haha! And thanks for agreeing. I also agree that Davis would be better on the 2nd unit w Amare. Incorporating Balkman into the 1st unit or any unit is a pipe dream. Keep Fields on unit 1, TD probably gets the unit 2 minutes. I really think this would make the team better immediately. It’s not Amare and Melo that can’t play together. It’s Amare and Chandler.

    69. THCJ – I played the role of stat-obsessed (but correct) jerk off for a pretty solid number of years here. I can totally understand where you are coming from. You are right, adding Melo and Amare was dumb, as I think many of us noted. And you are also right that the jv personal attacks are, well, jv.

      What I would say though, one frustrated Knicks stathead to another, is to try to avoid making yourself feel better about how bad it is to be a Knicks fan by making other, more hopeful and optimistic, fans feel bad about themselves and their rooting interest.. It’s undeniably satisfying to be right. But it gets old.

    70. Ben R:

      We run two units out there,
      1st unit: Shumpert, Balkman, Melo, Jeffries, Chandler
      2nd unit: Davis, Fields, Walker, Jorts, Amare

      1st unit – defensive, slow pased, iso based basketball with a lot of potential to score off turnovers
      2nd unit – ssol, fast pased, take advantage of Amare’s abilty to score on opposing centers

      That would be my plan and it would allow us to limit everyone to 30 minutes or less and keep us healthy and fresh.

      I like the idea in general but you can’t even play iso ball with Jeffries and Balkman on the floor at the same time- They’ll aggressively double Melo on the catch every time and force the ball out of his hands then you’re left with Shumpert and three guys who can’t be relied to hit anything outside of a layup (and with Jeffries even layups are questionable). I do like Davis playing with Amar’e on the second unit- no point in having Amar’e out there without someone who can get him the ball. Maybe have a Davis/Shump first unit backcourt with Fields coming in for Davis at the 6 minute mark when Jorts usually comes in for Stat and then Davis coming back in for Shumpert along with Stat at the start of second. I think Balkman/Jeffries is an either/or, I think Jeffries is 100% smarter and probably the better choice but if his minutes went to Balkman- esp. if the Knicks start to push in transition a little more- I’d be totally fine with that. It does amaze me that the Knicks are third in Pace when they rarely really push the ball- quick open looks before the defense sets itself are fine but Knicks propensity to take forced jumpers with 12 seconds left on the clock and well after the defense has set itself is totally useless.

    71. cgreene – . I did see your idea about Amare as 6th man, I agree it is the best way.

      dajudge – Jorts is a good defender but would be a libility at the 3 so it makes no sense to put him out there when we have other options.

      I forgot about TD, I would put him on the second unit slide Fields to the 3 and bench Walker. As for Amare and Melo they can play together but Melo doesn’t need Amare to do his thing and Melo doesn’t help Amare do his. So why put our two worst defenders on the court at the same time if they are not helping each other on offense.

    72. @79

      I’d move Fields to 3 and bring in Toney for the 2. Walker seems to be blacklisted in the league as a foul waiting to happen.

    73. nicos – You’re probably right about pairing Jeffries and Balkman on the same unit, so what about:

      1st Unit – Shumpert, Balkman, Melo, Jorts, Chandler
      2nd Unit – Davis, Douglas, Fields, Jeffries, Amare

      That way our opening unit is still strong defensively and could use Balkman and Shumpert to pressure everytime down the court and then with Shumpert and Jorts behind the 3pt line, Chandler and Melo playing a two man game and Balkman ready with backdoor cuts/crashing the offensive boards our offense could run the iso pretty well.

    74. I have a better chance of starting for the Knicks than Amar’e has of coming off the bench.

    75. Ben R: I think a major change in rotation would be the best thing.

      We are near the top in both creating turnovers and defensive rebounding, if we could become even just average in opponent fg%we would be near the top in defensive efficiency. I think moving Amare out of the starting lineup and adding Jorts, Jeffries or Balkman in his place would do that without hurting our offensive efficiency much.

      We run two units out there,
      1st unit: Shumpert, Balkman, Melo, Jeffries, Chandler
      2nd unit: Davis, Fields, Walker, Jorts, Amare

      so you are going to give major minutes to balkman, chandler and jefferies simultaneously? none of them can get a shot off that isn’t a put back.

      so you must want melo and shumpert to jack up shots from all angles, because certainly the other 3 can’t get a shot on their own, and you certainly don’t want to run plays for those 3 with the exception of a pnr with chandler, except you don’t have anyone to initiate your pnr.

      i honestly can’t believe what i read here sometimes……

    76. I should have clarified. Jorts is the 4 under my crazy scenario. Stat plays a modified 3, Melo the 2. Of course, all this depends on who we match up with and how BD plays. Like I said, just some crazy ideas.

    77. bobneptune – I changed my original lineup so I didn’t have both Balkman and Jeffries starting but both Balkman and Chandler are great finishers so they can punish double teams by cutting to the basket. You only need one player to create as long as others can finish, be it on set shots or cuts.

      What would your suggestion be? Wait for a miracle from Davis and keep watching Melo and Amare compete to see how many times they can shoot on triple teams while turning it over and playing no defense.

      xduckshoex:
      So Eddy Curry just scored a basket for the Heat.

      I might be the only one but I want Eddy to do well, he is not a bad guy, he is what he is basketballwise and had some health problems but I would love it if he found a niche and continued in this league. It’s not his fault Isiah overpaid him and traded the farm for his services.

    78. I wish Eddy all the best. His basket was nice too, he caught a pass from Lebron on the move and finished a contested double clutch lay up.

      If he pans out the Heat have a solid bench: Curry, Haslem, Battier, Miller, Cole.

    79. Ben R:
      bobneptune – I changed my original lineup so I didn’t have both Balkman and Jeffries starting but both Balkman and Chandler are great finishers so they can punish double teams by cutting to the basket. You only need one player to create as long as others can finish, be it on set shots or cuts.

      What would your suggestion be?

      i don’t want to be a wise guy, but in what parallel universe did balkman become a “great finisher”? balkman and jefferies are 10th – 12th men on a good team and playing them major minutes is insane , imo.

      as to a solution…. i think that train has left the station when jimmy d forced wash’s hand near the trade deadline last season.

      the knicks are a dysfunctional and very thin bunch. they are desperately in need of a point guard with the stature to dominate the ball and put it in melo’s and amar’e hands where they need to get it . melo bouncing the ball for 17 seconds and then hoisting up a fall away 20 footer with the rest of the crew standing around with their collective thumbs up their asses won’t get it done.

      i don’t see davis as any sort of savior, but he has he respect of melo and amar’e and if reasonably healthy hey could win 32-35 games. if he isn’t healthy and a point doesn’t fall out of the sky, there is no viable solution.

    80. Unless we get someone who knows what the &^@# they’re doing in the front office, we will always suck. In this day and age, you can’t waste draft picks because of how much more ready kids are to play entering the league. With that philosophy and a little patience, you don’t have to piss away big dough on free agents. We all like chandler, but how bout in 3 years? How bout Amare? Like him? How bout the same? 3 years. 31-32. Bad knees. Melo? Unless you’re trying to be the AI sixers 2.0, get the &^#@ outtahere. This team is window dressing and i’m placing my hope in Baron Davis? I’m placing my hope in getting Steve Nash next year? Wish boycotting the team would work. Wish the NBA had an owner agreement that if you suck donkey @#!!$ for a &**!ing decade you have to sell the team. Sorry for the whining. One.

    81. God Lebron is good. I hope I live long enough to see some Knicks star tomahawk a fast break layup into the backboard like he did to Barnes in the first half. Freaking amazing…

    82. Ben R, you’re not the only wishing Curry well. And he did alright tonight. Marv gave his stat line: 6 mins, 6 points, 3 rebounds, 1 TO (and slow on defensive rotations). So that’s 36 points and 18 rebounds per 36 minutes ;-).

      He certainly won’t hit those per 36 numbers all the time, but he actually could be a big help for Miami, which is a scary thought. Although he was a -4 in plus/minus.

    83. Owen:
      God Lebron is good. I hope I live long enough to see some Knicks star tomahawk a fast break layup into the backboard like he did to Barnes in the first half. Freaking amazing…

      Wasn’t Stat who pompously said he wants to go hunting in Miami Beach? Btw, he makes more money than James. Well?

    84. Just think how good the Knicks D could be without the crazy switching on every possession… It just gets me knowing that the other team can neutralize Tyson Chandler by setting a pick 25 feet away from the basket and forcing him to guard the point guard. But defense doesn’t seem to be the problem right now surprisingly. Amare seems to be a total different player now that Melo has arrived. He is definitely much more of a black hole out there, trying to force shots and ignoring everyone on the team who’s name isn’t Melo. Last year you could see him passing the ball around for the good of the team, and this year it just seems to be about him, just like Melo has always been.

    85. Owen:
      God Lebron is good. I hope I live long enough to see some Knicks star tomahawk a fast break layup into the backboard like he did to Barnes in the first half. Freaking amazing…

      Actually, STAT did that last night (not that it helped).

      More importantly, how did Eddy Curry play?

    86. I saw two baskets, one off an offensive rebound. He was pretty bad on defense, but he was matched up against pick and pop players which is always going to be bad news for him.

    87. xduckshoex:
      I saw two baskets, one off an offensive rebound.He was pretty bad on defense, but he was matched up against pick and pop players which is always going to be bad news for him.

      Our primadonna is bad on D, cannot play with Melo, cannot play with Chandler, cannot play without a good point guard, cannot do this, cannot do that… More capricious than Maria Callas! You earn 20m per year, damm it!

    88. Chuck is hilarious. In the past he said something in the lines of,

      ‘I don’t understand when teams say they’re not as bad as their record, your record is your record.’ It was probably about the Knicks.

      When talking about the Jazz at 9-4, he said

      ‘They’re not as good as their record.’

      Isn’t that just contradictory?

    89. Amare Stoudemire takes too much of the blame here. We got three guys, all brilliant offensive players, who earn their living within 15 to 20 feet of the basket; without solid backcourt play spacing is at best nightmarish. This is why when Baron Davis comes in from his injury—or even when Toney Douglas finds his outside touch—we will be a dangerous team.

    90. “Owen:
      God Lebron is good. I hope I live long enough to see some Knicks star tomahawk a fast break layup into the backboard like he did to Barnes in the first half. Freaking amazing…

      Actually, STAT did that last night (not that it helped).”

      That would have been awesome to see. Except I couldn’t see it, because I live in New York….

    91. Stat’s block was awesome- less awesome was the fact that it came on a fast break caused by a Stat turnover, and less awesome than that was the fact that it led to a wide open Fields three in transition which was, predictably, missed.

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