Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Dec 15 2011)

  • [New York Daily News] Stoudemire may sit tight during shortened season (Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:52:39 GMT)

    Stoudemire even admitted on Wednesday that he could envision a scenario in which he sits out certain games for the Knicks at various points of the season to preserve his troublesome knees for the playoffs.

  • [New York Post] Amar’e likely won’t play full schedule (Thu, 15 Dec 2011 06:04:40 -0500)

    Don’t expect Amar’e Stoudemire to pull off a Highway 66. He is not shooting to play the entire 66-game schedule during this condensed season, and will mull sitting out the occasional game to preserve his health for the playoffs.
    Stoudemire broke down late last season, with an array…

  • [New York Post] With Crawford gone, Davis, Williams may be next for Knicks (Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:01:01 -0500)

    The Knicks lost out on Jamal Crawford yesterday, may lose out on Shawne Williams today, but could be on the verge of landing veteran sore-backed point guard Baron Davis by the weekend.
    After Crawford, as expected, ruled out the Knicks because their offer was not competitive, they turned their attention…

  • [New York Times] With N.B.A’.s Approval, Chris Paul Is on Way to Clippers (Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:35:04 GMT)

    To acquire Chris Paul, Los Angeles is sending the Hornets four of its top assets: guard Eric Gordon, forward Al-Farouq Aminu, center Chris Kaman and a 2012 first-round draft pick.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Not Among Jamal Crawford’s Choices (Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:04:16 GMT)

    Jamal Crawford can make considerably more with another team and that is what he has decided to do.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Get Chris Paul in Big Trade With Hornets (Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:07:02 GMT)

    Chris Paul will supply the Los Angeles Clippers with so much more than alley-oop passes to Blake Griffin when he arrives in Hollywood on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Confirm Gasol Signs New Four-Year Agreement (Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:45:57 GMT)

    The Memphis Grizzlies have re-signed Spanish center Marc Gasol, the team said Wednesday, after he helped them to their most successful season by reaching last season’s conference semi-finals.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Land Paul to End Trade Saga (Thu, 15 Dec 2011 04:25:16 GMT)

    The Los Angeles Clippers acquired point guard Chris Paul from the New Orleans Hornets on Wednesday in a deal that ends a week-long saga involving the sought after All Star.

  • [New York Times] Nuggets Re-Sign Brazilian Center Nene (Thu, 15 Dec 2011 00:04:46 GMT)

    The Denver Nuggets have re-signed free agent center Nene, a model of consistency since overcoming injury and cancer, the National Basketball Association (NBA) team said on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Jordan: New CBA Helps, Opposed Paul Deal to Lakers (Thu, 15 Dec 2011 01:46:08 GMT)

    Michael Jordan didn’t exactly shed any tears when the proposed trade of Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers was nixed.

  • [New York Times] Hornets, Clippers Agree on Trade for PG Chris Paul (Thu, 15 Dec 2011 06:13:11 GMT)

    Chris Paul is headed to Los Angeles for real this time — to the Clippers, not the Lakers.

  • [New York Times] AAU President: Task Forces Will ‘Redefine Trust’ (Thu, 15 Dec 2011 00:58:06 GMT)

    The new president of the Amateur Athletic Union said Wednesday the organization will give complete access to two independent task forces established to review child safety protocols, policies and procedures in the wake of child sex abuse allegations against the AAU’s former president.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: NBA League Pass Fans Think They’re Paying More for Less (Thu, 15 Dec 2011 03:13:21 GMT)

    The Web site advertising the service does not mention any discount or, for that matter, any apology to fans for the inconvenience of missing 16 regular-season games.

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    129 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (Thursday, Dec 15 2011)”

    1. Didn’t I say this the other day? As per Alan Hahn:

      But Stoudemire doesn’t expect to see many minutes at center with the arrival of Tyson Chandler . In fact, Stoudemire said he has worked a lot on his ever-improving perimeter game and could play the role of the “stretch” forward to leave the pick-and-rolls for Chandler. “I’ve been working on my three-point shot,” Stoudemire said.

    2. As a matter of fact you did.
      Interesting how the dynamics of the offense shake out. Amare who was considered this great PnR big man is now passing that up so to speak for the 3 pointer and the much derided “inefficient” 15-20 jump shot. Would this role almost by definition lead to lower efficiency for Amare?

    3. Hey I was sittin here thinkin..OKC has alot of guards on the roster. Especially since they just drafted the PG I wanted in Reggie Jackson. Do u think there’s a way we could pry Maynor away from them for cap fodder and Balkman? Looks like there’s alot of wasted roster space at the 1, 2, and 3 considerin Westbrook, Durant, and Harden will be playin lots of minutes. Furthermore, why would they draft another PG with Maynor and Westbrook on board? I know their GM is smart, but they are pretty much set 1 thru 5. Hell, if they actually want another wing, they can have Walker too..as long as it increases our chances at bringin Extra E back. I don’t know..maybe if they wanna dump Mullens we take him too?

    4. taggart4800 linked to an interesting article that likely explains why they are keeping Maynor. The idea is that Maynor allows them to bring Jackson up this season. Then they’ll let Maynor go when he becomes a free agent and Jackson will take over as the main backup 1.

    5. Oh ok..I haven’t seen that article. But that idea kinda doesn’t make a whole lot of sense considering Westbrook is young, will play 40 minutes per, and rarely gets hurt..and is or should be an all star? If i’m OKC, i’d see no problem with Ivey and Jackson splitting back up duties. I just think that Jackson would be just as effective, if not more in the 14.6 mpg Maynor received last season. Then again..I am kinda desperate for another PG on the roster since I don’t really think we should trot Shump out there as a PG. Personally, I think-especially if Harden starts- that OKC has the best starting 5 in the league. Theoretically they all compliment each other’s games quite nicely. Especially up front. As far as the bench they also would have a nice compliment of offense, defense and rebounding with Jackson, Collison, Mohammed, Cook, and Sefalosha. Maturity within the game is their only issue. And (in my best Terrell Owens voice), for them to stunt Maynor’s growth and keep him away from NY is just unfair lol.

    6. Nick C.:
      As a matter of fact you did.
      Interesting how the dynamics of the offense shake out.Amare who was considered this great PnR big man is now passing that up so to speak for the 3 pointer and the much derided “inefficient” 15-20 jump shot. Would this role almost by definition lead to lower efficiency for Amare?

      If Amare can shoot >40% from 3 like he did last year (unlikely, but still), his efficiency should certainly increase. And it’s a team game anyway – if Amare is always near the paint, then there are more defenders packing the middle when Carmelo takes the ball strong or posts up.

      On top of that, if Amare is picking and choosing his spots in terms of physical play inside, then he will be fresher as the year goes on. Always better to have more weapons at your disposal. If he can add the 3 pointer and shoot it at an above-average rate, it can only make the team better.

    7. I also think Amare should work on his pick-and-pop game – just one more thing defenders have to think about when he goes to set a pick – he may not always flash to the hoop… harder to defend.

    8. Sounding like Extra E is leaning towards the Nets. All the Jamal talk seems to have really taken a toll. And it can’t hurt that the Nets are promising to put him in the starting rotation.

      Not sure whether this should be a cautionary tale of what happens when you flirt too heavily with long-since-departed assets, but it really seems like we botched this one pretty bad. Then again, maybe Devin Green or one of the other late invitees ends up being this year’s Extra E. Either way, someone has to fill that role.

    9. I wonder whether NYK are still only offering vet’s minimum and Shawne wants a bigger/longer deal, and his agent is leaking this stuff in order to get NYK to up their offer. I can’t imagine he’d actually want to play for the Nets.

    10. And re: Jamal – Shawne has to realize that getting Jamal @ 2.5M would have been an unbeatable deal from a value standpoint. I think this is all a negotiating ploy.

    11. As an addendum: There certainly seems to be a loyalty deficit on both sides here. Yes, it’s true that we essentially resurrected Shawne’s career, and gave him a second chance few would have. But he also made the most of it, and thus arguably should’ve been more of a priority.

    12. I really think STAT can develop the 3 point shot to add to his arsenal, making him an even more complete offensive nightmare for opposing defenses. He has really excellent form and balance on his shot, and seemed more than comfortable letting it fly during the few opportunities he had last year.

      I could see him developing the 3 much like Larry Johnson did when he came to the Knicks…in ´97 he was reticent to shoot the 3, being more of a facilitator and remaining in the post, but by the end of his NYK tenure he had patented the famous Big “L” and was letting it fly from deep all the time, not to mention hitting the most famous 4-point play in franchise history!

    13. bad news:

      Frank Isola: Breaking: Knicks lose another one. Shawne Williams, according to a source, decides to sign with Nets 2 minutes ago

    14. If Extra E falls through I wouldn’t be terribly disappointed to get Maurice Evans as a consolation prize. Mo brings not-terrible efficiency (.538 career TS%) and stout defense.

    15. That’s a terrible f**k up on our part. Shawne would have been a valuable bench piece and backup for both forward positions. Who the hell are we going to waste $2.5 mil on now? Don’t see anyone out there worth it.

    16. Jason Smith? Hollinger sort of likes him. Is 7′ so might be able to back up both the 4 and 5.

      • Jump-shooting big who can run floor and jump. Decent frame, but not physical.
      • Limited ball handler with no post game. Rarely penetrates or draws fouls.
      • Plus defender against pick-and-roll but weak on boards and fouls far too often.

      Blah. Or how about Yi Jianlian?

    17. JK47:
      Do we just pocket the $2.5M in hopes Wilson Chandler comes over here later in the season?

      I would love that but he’s restricted and Denver is in great cap position, so I doubt they’d just let him go when it costs so little to match it. JR Smith is another possibility, or Kenyon Martin – both are UFAs but will probably get bigger offers?

    18. Yi Jianlian is horrible, a complete bust. I’d WAY rather have Maurice Evans or even take a flyer on a D-League guy before I would pick up Yi, who is horrible on both sides of the ball.

    19. If Wilson comes over later in the season, signs a 1-yr deal for rest of 2012, does that make him unrestricted this summer?

    20. I dunno if it is fair to say that the Knicks screwed up on Extra E (as they reasonably did want to see what was out there, and who could really blame them?), but boy does it suck to lose him after striking out on everyone else.

      They really need a 4 now, right?

    21. If Wilson comes over later in the season, signs a 1-yr deal for rest of 2012, does that make him unrestricted this summer?

      Yes, but as Frank notes, there is no way Denver wouldn’t match a $2.5 million offer.

    22. Really, what was the downside in offering him the room exception? How did we f**k this up?

      The downside was missing out on better players with that same exception. He was (probably rightly) lower on their priority list than some other players. The players above him on their list all spurned the Knicks, but they didn’t know that when this started. I’d rather have Reggie Williams and Jamal for $2.5 million, for instance, than Extra E, so I can’t say that they were wrong for thinking the same thing. Extra E just couldn’t wait and/or took it is a sign of disrespect that they put him on the back burner.

    23. Alex Kennedy: The New York Knicks will zero in on Maurice Evans, according to source close to the situation. They’re offering $2.5 million room exception. 2 minutes ago

    24. I’d take it easy on the FO re: Shawne until we know what he got from the Nets. This is the team that signed Travis Outlaw to a 5 year $35MM contract. For all we know Shawne got midlevel $ and years and a promise to be a starter. There’s no way we could match something like that.

    25. Mo Evans for $2.5 million? Yuck. I mean, at least he does play defense, so that’s something.

    26. Said it before — Knicks should target Michael Redd. Jamal was a pipe dream.

      Or, try to grab Baron Davis if he clears waivers.

    27. To be honest, I would hold onto the room exception until JR Smith and Kenyon Martin come back. I’d much rather sign someone like Jason Smith or Fesenko to the vet’s minimum as crappy insurance on the 4/5 position and keep that room exception in our pocket for some of these returning UFAs, than someone who has very little chance of contributing in a meaningful way. Maurice Evans strikes me as just a guy – if that’s true, then we can get “just a guy” for the minimum.

    28. Wilson Chandler´s qualifying offer alone is $3.1 M…no way they are going to re-sign him for that…and denver wouldn´t allow it anyway. Only chance would be maybe next season for $5M mid-level, and my guess is they go after a PG with that money, like Nash, Jameer Nelson or Felton.

    29. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): Yes, but as Frank notes, there is no way Denver wouldn’t match a$2.5 million offer.

      I was thinking more like: he signs a 1 year (3 month, really) deal with Denver when he comes back. Then in the summer of 2012 he is unrestricted and we can offer him the midlevel and not have to worry about Denver matching.

    30. Agreed, Frank. I don’t see how Evans is worth more than the vet minimum. What is his market?

    31. anyone surprised Deshawn stevenson hasn´t signed with anyone coming off his excellent run in the Finals? Not saying he is necessarily a fit here, but I would have thought by now he would already be off the market.

    32. Do you think teams are already in contact with JR Smith and Kenyon Martin with offers when they come back from China? They ARE UFAs so I can’t imagine this isn’t already happening.

    33. You’re right about NJ, if they offered him something stupid. But losing him b/c you expected Jamal might be willing to accept half of what other teams could offer was quite foolish, imo. Reggie Williams signed for the room, so I’m assuming we never offered it to him (who would choose Bobcats over Knicks for same money)

    34. I think we screwed up by not targeting a big man with that room excemption earlier. Brandon Wright, Josh McRoberts, Leon Powe these are all players that signed for right around that room exemption or less and we didn’t persue any of them.

      I would be against signing Maurice Evans, he is a wing which we have quite a few of and at his age I question if he is really an upgrade over any of our wings.

      I think Kenyon Martin would be a perfect signing in March and until then we should use Jeffries or perhaps someone we pick up from d-league.

      Let us not compound mistakes by rushing to sign mediocre players.

    35. More pressure than ever on Shumpert now. He NEEDS to be a valuable contributor from day 1 considering how awful our bench is.

    36. I guess as of now our bench realistically consists of Bibby, Jeffries, Shumpert and Walker…I honestly can´t see D´antoni, with his job on the line, playing anyone else on the current roster off the bench.

    37. @41

      Which is why signing Mo Evans is not a bad idea.

      I’d rather give minutes to Mo Evans than to Jamal Crawford, and let me make the case why: Jamal Crawford’s supposed strength is his scoring, which he does in an inefficient manner: career TS% of .526 with a high 23.4 USG%. Evans’ career TS% numbers are higher than Crawford’s– .538 for his career– and he does not chuck the ball a lot- 15.8 USG%. So not only does he shoot less badly than Jamal Crawford, he shoots less often.

      Advanced stats metrics, other than PER, prefer Evans. He has the edge in career WS/48, .097 to .074. Crawford did have a higher WS/48 last season but Evans beats him in WP/48.

      Plus, Jamal Crawford is a horrific defender, while Mo Evans is a plus defender. Crawford is two years younger, so maybe Evans falls off a bit compared to Crawford, but I still think I’d rather have Evans.

    38. Holy #$& – Shawne signed for the basically the same amount as the room exception per Ken Berger. That is a punch in the gut. Can’t believe he turned like that on us considering no one else gave him a chance last year.

    39. We shouldn’t have been screwing around with Jamal Crawford. Shawne should have always been our focus.

    40. Frank:
      Holy #$& – Shawne signed for the basically the same amount as the room exception per Ken Berger.That is a punch in the gut.Can’t believe he turned like that on us considering no one else gave him a chance last year.

      Not really, I mean we ignored him while we chased Jamal, and he can have more playing time in NJ. Kind of an easy choice really.

    41. The worst thing about losing Shawne Williams is that the Knicks now have to play Jared Jeffries 25 minutes a night. There has to be someone – ANYONE – that can sop up some of his playing time.

    42. Spree8nyk8: Not really, I mean we ignored him while we chased Jamal, and he can have more playing time in NJ.Kind of an easy choice really.

      I guess, except that unless the Nets get Dwight, they are going to pretty horrible this year, and unless they trade for Dwight, you better believe that DWill is jumping ship next year, leaving them with nothing. If I’m Dwight Howard and I leave ORL as a free agent, I’m going to Dallas, not NJ. Howard + Nowitzki would be essentially the perfect front court.

      The Nets? They are basically D-Will, crappy Brook Lopez, and a pupu platter of nondescript small forwards. Maybe Shawne will get 10 more minutes per game with them, but he’ll be sitting on his couch while the Knicks make their playoff run.

    43. Troy Murphy might be worth taking a flyer on in the hopes that his horrific year was an aberration. If he could get back to the form of the 2010 season– not that far-fetched a scenario– he’d give us back what we lost in Extra E and then some.

    44. Frank, I wouldn’t call it a punch in the gut… we essentially asked the guy to wait around for a week while we courted someone else. You can’t hold a double standard on loyalty like that. Also, he’s signing into a starting position – I don’t blame the guy at all for what he did. He was supposed to be nothing when we got him (remember how outraged people were when we signed him over Ewing Jr.?), and he still isn’t some outstanding player right now.

      In other news, I’m hearing we signed Jerome Jordan. T/F?

    45. I think this was a straight misplay by the FO. They got ahead of themselves thinking Jamal would play for a 50% paycut and they could make a steal because we have a better team. They left Shawne hanging. As soon as they realized that Portland was in on Jamal (his home area, double $ and a decent team) they should have got out. This one hurts. Not that Shawne was the greatest but he had the corner 3, could defend some AND, most importantly to me, he had some edge to him. You need som guys out there that don’t take any BS. I find our team a little soft.

      On a side note it was mentioned on the Twitter that MDA had dinner w Shawn and phoned him to try and persuade him. I get the feeling that MDA is not a great sales guy on this stuff. He doesn’t strike me as a hard seller. (I am a sales guy. I know these things. Ha)

    46. Frank: I guess, except that unless the Nets get Dwight, they are going to pretty horrible this year, and unless they trade for Dwight, you better believe that DWill is jumping ship next year, leaving them with nothing. If I’m Dwight Howard and I leave ORL as a free agent, I’m going to Dallas, not NJ. Howard + Nowitzki would be essentially the perfect front court. The Nets? They are basically D-Will, crappy Brook Lopez, and a pupu platter of nondescript small forwards. Maybe Shawne will get 10 more minutes per game with them, but he’ll be sitting on his couch while the Knicks make their playoff run.

      Nets are trying to sign Kirilenko. Extra E could be starting at PF in NJ given their lack of depth. Blowpez, Extra E, Hall Pass, Anthony Morrow and D Will isn’t complete crap.

    47. And there’s no indication we actually offered the room. Seems like we were only extending the vet’s minimum. Knicks position on this seems clear: you were nothing, D’antoni made you, he’ll make someone else without you. I hope they are right. I just think he was the perfect 7th man for this team.

    48. Bill Walker might be the X-factor here. Sure, he’s giving up three inches easy to Shawne, but when you look at our roster, overall we’re taller and longer than we were last year. As long as Jordan and / or Jorts even pan out in the slightest, deepening our rotations, I think an improved Walker — another if — might make us forget about Extra E before long. Plus Walker’s one or two years younger.

    49. TDM: And there it is. It was only a matter of time.

      There’s a jackass in every crowd and besides as you said it was only a matter of time.

    50. It would be awesome if Jorts could hold his own and come in for 10-15 minutes per night of snarling, ornery, physical play, limiting the need to play Jeffries for too many minutes.

    51. Frank: If Amare can shoot >40% from 3 like he did last year (unlikely, but still), his efficiency should certainly increase. And it’s a team game anyway – if Amare is always near the paint, then there are more defenders packing the middle when Carmelo takes the ball strong or posts up. On top of that, if Amare is picking and choosing his spots in terms of physical play inside, then he will be fresher as the year goes on. Always better to have more weapons at your disposal. If he can add the 3 pointer and shoot it at an above-average rate, it can only make the team better.

      I know it’s a team game and the team may well be best with Amare in this role, but it seemed almost as if the quote was tailor made for the previous discussions re: role or type of shot typically taken and it’s effect (or lack) TSP or the other advanced metrics.

    52. I’m not going to cry about Extra-E. He was a nice story last year, losing him leaves a bit of a hole and he’s a good pick up at $2.5 million… but let’s not get carried away.

      re: loyalty, “we” didn’t give Williams his fresh chance, Donnie Walsh did.

    53. Now don’t get me wrong, $9 million for one year is a lot of money, but I’m still surprised that Carl Landry couldn’t get, like, a 2 year/$16 million contract anywhere instead of re-signing with New Orleans.

      New Orleans, by the way, now looks like this:

      PG Jack
      SG Gordon
      SF Ariza
      PF Landry
      C Okafor

      Not much, but not the worst. At the very least, that team should defend the ball well. Four plus defenders (plus one weak defender at SG).

    54. Hornets should be ok. This year will be volatile – depends who stayed in shape during the lockout. They’re younger than most, which should help. Probably toast if Okafor wears out.

      re: the contract, I don’t know if there any teams left with $8m cap space this summer. Next year should be several…

    55. By the way, what is the deal with Reggie Evans? Why don’t the Knicks want him? Or at least Leon Powe? Hell, I’d take Craig Smith at this point. They have to get a 4. They cannot start the season with Jared Jeffries as the back-up power forward. Not only is he terrible, but the Knicks presumably want a stretch 4, and not only is Jeffries not it, but neither are any of the guys I just mentioned (they’re just at least better traditional 4s than Jeffries). The only decent stretch 4s are gone. Unless you think Yi Jianlian is decent.

      I wish they had moved on a 4 earlier.

    56. Is Mr. kardashian still out there?

      Troy Murphy might be worth a flyer at the minimum. Wasn’t long ago that he was good. Or Jason Smith if his knee is ok.

      But I’d be fine if Baron Davis is our signing. We need another big but PG looks like a bigger vulnerability.

    57. Troy Murphy might be worth a flyer at the minimum.

      Agreed. The Lakers, though, agreed as well and signed him. He definitely would have been a good low risk signing.

      Wouldn’t it be great if Humphries was out there for the room exception?

      I think PG is definitely an area of need, but I guess I’m confident that Davis eventually signs there for the vet minimum, so I’m more worried about the 4.

    58. Only in Mike D’Antoni’s universe in Shawne Williams a 4. And D’Antoni, frankly, hasn’t proven to be much without a savant PG running the system, which we’re about to go yet another year without. SSOL in NY is (thankfully) dead, and with it died the need to have an undersized, poor rebounding PF who was only good for camping out in the corner and heaving 3s.

      We shall survive.

    59. I’m not too worried about the bench for the reg season, even with the shorter schedule. Bibby and Shumpert have us covered at the 1 and 2. For 3-5, if the starters play 36 mins per, which isn’t a ton, that’s only 12 mins per position needed, or 36 total minutes a night. you probably can cover 12 of this playing landry at the 3 and going small. splitting 25 mins over Jeffries, Walker, Jorts and Balkman is fine.

      What really worries me is injuries, games stat or chander sit. then we’re screwed.

      but, I think it’s important that anyone we grab has to NOT be a headcase, can’t demand more time or shots….they have to accept the role. that rules out most of the guys we are talking about. Really comes down to we need Jordan to sign.

    60. Beat me to it. Here’s hoping! Sounds like this was all over a guaranteed second year. Surely we can guarantee two years, no?

    61. TDM: Nets are trying to sign Kirilenko.Extra E could be starting at PF in NJ given their lack of depth.Blowpez, Extra E, Hall Pass, Anthony Morrow and D Will isn’t complete crap.

      Lol Blowpez, sounds like a new candy sensation

    62. At the 1 we have a healthy and seemingly durable player in Douglas starting and a promising rookie in Shumpert to back him up with Bibby as insurance.

      At the 4 and 5 we have two starters with health concerns and jeffries as our back up. Our insurance is two 2nd rounders and a d-leaguer.

      That’s the reason I don’t want Mo Evans, and am not heartbroken about Shawne, he is a 3 not a 4/5. We desperately need one more big man to take the pressure of of Amare and Chandler. We need to be able to limit them to 32 minutes a night or so to avoid wearing them down.

      Think Kris Humphries would take a one year pay cut to play a major role on a contender?

    63. Howard Beck: Shawne Williams’ deal with Nets is final. Getting $6.1 mil over two years. Most Knicks could offer was $4.1 mil over two years. 4 minutes ago

    64. New Guy:
      You think the guy who married Kim Kardashian is going to take less money to do anything?

      Maybe he made enough money from the tv show and the divorse to offset a small reduction in salary this year. Plus it looks like the Nets are only offering a one year deal which seems like a bit of a slap in the face considering he was one of their few bright spots last year.

      It’s probably not enough but we should still be making a full court press. He could easily play 25-30 minutes a game here and allow us to really be conservative with Amare and Tyson’s minutes. We’re probably only talking about a million or 2 and that maybe could be made up by playing for a contender.

    65. The fact that apparently the Nets offered him a chance to start is funny to me. Shows how far the Knicks have come from last season at least that Shawne had no chance of starting for the Knicks this season lol

    66. Regarding Humphries… Word on the street is Nets were offering a 1 year deal for 9 Mil if the Howard saga falls apart.

      Dont think hes coming here for $2.5

    67. Maybe Chris Hunter makes the team and can give them some surprisingly decent backup minutes once in awhile??

    68. Give me an instance where an athlete (short of aging, ringless superstars like Payton and Malone) took less money with one team knowing that he could “make that money up” by working harder and more often doing endorsement deals. Or better yet: taking less money because he “made enough” that year. Maybe that comment was in jest, but no one’s making that trade-off.

      Sure, I’ll take less money to live in NYC — only because I can spend more of my already-limited off-time working to make more money!

      That makes no sense. No one on this board would do that.

    69. I thought Humphries was looking at more like 5 million if he’s looking at 8-9 then you’re right there is no way. If he’s only taking a $2 million haircut it could be worth it because signing with the Nets won’t help him put his tabloid mess behind him. Signing for a contender would be a bigger story than his divorse and then having a good year could mean a big payday next year.

    70. wow..I really am stung by the fact Extra E went 2 the Nets for more money after he was Walsh resuscitated his career and Knick fans supported him so much.D’Antoni found a perfect role 4 him and he excelled at it. Even if the Nets land Howard, he won’t be nearly as effective. The truth is he’s as limited as Outlaw. And Jersey had him in the wrong role. I wish Extra E the best, but we really needed him to space the floor for Melo from the frontcourt. Anyhoo..considerin the loss I would take a flier on Troy Murphy and try an pull a 3rd pg off the free agent scrap. That would give us a useful rotation 4 all intents and purposes with Murphy, Walker, Shumpert and Bibby comin off the bench…maybe not as effective offensively. But more rebounding tho an thas a plus

    71. Is Earl Boykins still out there? He would be great for 10-15 min a game.

      As far as a big, it’s looking pretty ugly. Is Hamaddi still out there? Iranian guy for the Griz?

      Gadzuric? Joey Dorsey?

      Reggie Evans seems perfect, not sure what’s up with him.

      I doubt we get Redd. He’ll get more than the MMLE. Any Euros that would take the MMLE with a team option like Mozzy did?

    72. People killing Shawne are nuts. He clearly wanted to be here. We did not return the interest. Not enough, anyway. He owed the Knicks nothing. In fact, I think he did us a huge favor waiting as long as he did.

    73. Seriously guys? Y’all are that upset about losing Shawne Williams? It’s not like the Shawne Williams era was so unforgettable. I liked the guy fine, but come on, he’s a replaceable, marginal NBA talent.

      Have fun starting on the 35-win Nets, Shawne!

    74. What about Travis Outlaw? He’s already in the area and nobody is overpaying that dude again.

    75. 35-win would be in a normal season. So let’s prorate that down to 28?

      All goes out the window if the Nets can get Howard, which they can’t.

    76. Just to put it in perspective, Shawne Williams made $6.8M on his rookie deal. It looks like he made just under $900k last year. If we were offering $1M and the Nets gave him $6.1M over two, the difference would represent 37% of his career earnings. On top of that, the Nets don’t have much at the 3 or 4 so he’ll get to play. On the Knicks, he’s behind 2 guys pulling 36min a game. A lot of the playing time he got last year was due to us not having a center so his playing time would be even less this year. I don’t see how he could have signed with the Knicks unless we were offering the full 2.5 exception. And even then, the difference in playing time could be millions down the road.

    77. I can’t imagine how the Nets think they can get Howard with their crappy assets. They have picks but they will be picks in the 20s if Howard comes. Brook Lopez kind of sucks. And what else do they have? It’ll have to be some crazy 4 team trade.

      Say what you will about the Knicks giving away too much for Melo, but IMO the Nets gave up much more for DWill without having any guarantee that he would stay past this year. Melo + Amare = a big 2 that theoretically at least would be a draw for players to come. DWill is just a big 1, which will rapidly turn to a big zero if Dwight re-ups in Orlando — unless Dwight gets traded to NJ, DWill is gone.

    78. Frank:
      I can’t imagine how the Nets think they can get Howard with their crappy assets.They have picks but they will be picks in the 20s if Howard comes.Brook Lopez kind of sucks. And what else do they have?It’ll have to be some crazy 4 team trade.

      Say what you will about the Knicks giving away too much for Melo, but IMO the Nets gave up much more for DWill without having any guarantee that he would stay past this year.Melo + Amare = a big 2 that theoretically at least would be a draw for players to come.DWill is just a big 1, which will rapidly turn to a big zero if Dwight re-ups in Orlando — unless Dwight gets traded to NJ, DWill is gone.

      Actually, there was a misperception out there that Orlando would have gotten 5 first round picks plus Lopez, where they actually would have gotten Lopez, Gerald Wallace plus a few picks (Portland would get some of the picks). Still not a great deal though, and the Magic would be smart to wait until the trade deadline for someone to up the ante. And as long as the Lakers are out there, it will get upped.

    79. What I dont buy is this crap about the Nets showing him more respect than the Knicks.

      If it wasnt for Walsh and D’Antoni he would be in the NBDL right now or praying for some NBA team to give him a training camp invite. I wish him all the best but dont give me that respect crap.

    80. Got an email about League Pass pricing.
      So… even though the league has 20% fewer games, the pricing is the same, though I’m getting a ~10% “bonus” for resubscribing. Oh, and on top of that, they are reducing the # of teams in the choice pass from 7 to 5. THANKS GUYS, WHAT A DEAL

    81. idk, I mean theres plenty of NBA players that simply have not really made their money yet. Those guy don’t have to focus on titles, they need to focus on money. If I’m Shawn I would have taken that deal also, he could also parlay that into a bigger contract.

    82. Any of y’all do the LPBB with team choice? It’s really the best possible deal. Guess my teams are gonna be:

      Knicks
      Clips

      then 3 of the following:

      Knuggets
      Thunder
      Warriors
      Celtics
      Mavericks

      I never use the second tier teams as much … watching over 75% of the Knick games is KINDA time consuming.

    83. Im going to be stuck paying my usual $169 for League Pass lol.

      Although this season I will also be able to watch all the games on Broadband too I guess. Id much rather pay less for League Pass than pay $169 and have access to both but whatever.

    84. I wish they had a broadband/mobile package, probably going to end up getting both because I work nights and mobile will probably end up being useful.

      Still have a bad taste in my mouth of the way they are doing league pass this year. I can’t get the full package (which is the only one that has a good price) because my provider doesn’t offer it. The team choice package last year had 7 teams. And the full BB pack is the same price as the full package (which is unbelievably dumb).

      To answer your question I have to take the Knicks and Lakers bc I have friends that have committed to watching the Knicks if I also get the Lakers. Then I’m probably going to go with the Heat, Chicago, and Boston (or possibly the clippers). Because those are the teams we have to worry about the most. Although the blakeshow might be too much to pass up.

    85. BigBlueAL:
      Im going to be stuck paying my usual $169 for League Pass lol.

      Although this season I will also be able to watch all the games on Broadband too I guess.Id much rather pay less for League Pass than pay $169 and have access to both but whatever.

      you’ll also have mobile.

    86. BigBlueAL: Im going to be stuck paying my usual $169 for League Pass lol.Although this season I will also be able to watch all the games on Broadband too I guess. Id much rather pay less for League Pass than pay $169 and have access to both but whatever.

      Im a NYer so thankfully get to watch the games for free… Just curioius, when you get the package, do you get MSG broadcast or the opponents?

    87. Sad to admit Spree but I dont have a cell phone right now lmao.

      I guess another good part about having Broadband now too is the archives so if I miss a game I can just watch it online whenever I want. League Pass does replay the games late night (at least mine always has) but usually its too late to watch them plus I also sadly dont have DVR so thats not an option for me either lol.

    88. Garson: Im a NYer so thankfully get to watch the games for free… Just curioius, when you get the package, do you get MSG broadcast or the opponents?

      Usually get the home team broadcast. In the past if the game is being shown at a time when not many other games are being shown at the same time they would have both broadcasts available (usually happens during late night games or on weekend afternoon games).

      Curious to see if Broadband has both available all the times.

    89. Intresting note… the Nets now have:

      Deron Williams
      Shawne Williams
      Shelden Williams
      Jordan Williams

    90. BigBlueAL:
      Sad to admit Spree but I dont have a cell phone right now lmao.

      I guess another good part about having Broadband now too is the archives so if I miss a game I can just watch it online whenever I want.League Pass does replay the games late night (at least mine always has) but usually its too late to watch them plus I also sadly dont have DVR so thats not an option for me either lol.

      Sprint and Boost both have pretty good plans if you decide to go that route. I didn’t get the mobile last year but knew for sure i’d probably do it this year. Days that I have to work I’m gonna get my 9 o’clock meds passed and lock myself in the bathroom for the fourth quarter lol.

    91. Garson:
      Intresting note…the Nets now have:

      Deron Williams
      Shawne Williams
      Shelden Williams
      Jordan Williams

      NJ announcers have such a cake job. “A steal by Williams in the backcourt, kicks it to willams in the front court. 3pt attempt by Williams, rebounded by williams, dish to williams….he’s fouled, williams to the line to shoot two”

    92. Spree8nyk8: NJ announcers have such a cake job.“A steal by Williams in the backcourt, kicks it to willams in the front court.3pt attempt by Williams, rebounded by williams, dish to williams….he’s fouled, williams to the line to shoot two”

      More like: “Brick by Williams… Williams steps on Williams foot and falls. Williams looks outraged! Meanwhile, Williams is nursing an ankle sprain on the bench.”

    93. Goodbye to “Extra E” one of the best nicknames of all time. Does anyone know who came up with that? Pure Gold Jerry – pure gold.

    94. Spree8nyk8: NJ announcers have such a cake job.“A steal by Williams in the backcourt, kicks it to willams in the front court.3pt attempt by Williams, rebounded by williams, dish to williams….he’s fouled, williams to the line to shoot two”

      Having Extra E on the team will mean Shelden Williams will have to put “SHE. WILLIAMS” on the back of his jersey.

    95. Tough article regarding the problems associated with signing Baron Davis. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/984926-knicks-rumors. Because of his high assist numbers, low cost and skill level, I thought it would be wise to sign him for the vet’s minimum. His ‘injury’ is mysterious and I am not too concerned about his proclivity to chuck—at least on this team. I do like his ability to get to the hoop very much and his assist numbers are impressive. He also has a rep and you really can’t ignore him. He’s aggressive. Maybe he could even help Tony learn to dish creatively. Assuming that his injury really isn’t a 8-10 week deal, I guess I’m all in for Baron and I would be moderately excited. What do you folks think?

    96. In his “Insider” piece today critiquing the Cavs’ decision to amnesty Baron, Hollinger seemed to think there was a 0.01% chance he actually makes it past secondary waivers and non-salary cap teams have a chance to sign him outright.

    97. http://knicksnow.com/videos/85

      Two-a-days and studying film during the offseason, getting to the practice facility at 7:30 when practice starts at 11:00, and putting on some muscle during the offseason? Toney Douglas is my hero. I’d really feel bad for him if he lost his starting job to B-Diddy. And even though Chauncey was the starting PG last year, I recall instances in which D’Antoni trusted DWTDD more than Chauncey, making Chauncey play the off-guard next to TD. As long as Melo, Amar’e, and Tyson (along with the rest of the guys) trust Toney as their PG and believe in him, he could be our long-term answer at the 1.

    98. daJudge:
      Tough article regarding the problems associated with signing Baron Davis.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/984926-knicks-rumors.Because of his high assist numbers, low cost and skill level, I thought it would be wise to sign him for the vet’s minimum.His ‘injury’ is mysterious and I am not too concerned about his proclivity to chuck—at least on this team.I do like his ability to get to the hoop very much and his assist numbers are impressive.He also has a rep and you really can’t ignore him.He’s aggressive.Maybe he could even help Tony learn to dish creatively. Assuming that his injury really isn’t a 8-10 week deal, I guess I’m all in for Baron and I would be moderately excited.What do you folks think?

      I thought there was a block against linking to Bleacherreport articles here.

      Just to give an example of how inane the “reporting” is at that site, the author of the linked to piece argues that the Knicks should avoid Baron Davis and instead go after younger players like Carlos Arroyo, Charlie Bell, Marcus Banks, or Michael Redd.

      Not only are all those alternatives significantly worse even than Baron Davis, but they aren’t younger! (other than the extremely unimpressive Marcus Banks who was born in 1981 the others were all born in 1979– same as Davis).

      I don’t know how that site comes up every time I google “nba news”. It’s like if TMZ came up every time I google “world news”.

    99. Just read a NY Times article (written by Adamek I think who I guess is writing there now since he left the Knicks beat from his old paper during last season) talking about how the Knicks need shooters surrounding Melo and Amar’e because right now they dont have any/enough. Huh??

      The quotes from D’Antoni made it seem like he isnt too worried about that and I agree. TD/Fields/Bibby/Walker are all proven 3pt shooters. Who knows about Shumpert but he could be a decent one too. Making 3pters shouldnt be a problem for this team.

    100. We don’t really need backcourt help. We desperately need frontcourt help though. In this condensed season we need to be able to rest Amare and Tyson a lot. 30 minutes or less on back to backs, maybe a game off on the back to back to back. Overall if they are averaging more than 32-34 minutes each this season we’re setting ourselves up for real problems down the stretch.

      We cannot count on the combination of Jeffries, Jorts and Jordan to give us 30+ minutes a night. Also what happens if one of our bigs goes down for a week or two. Are we really going to see Jeffries starting and a 2nd rounder getting 20-30 minutes.

    101. @Ben – Agreed. We especially need a scoring option to backup the 4. None of our backups have shown anything as capable scorers. Shawne Williams really fit that need. Someone mentioned Yi Jianlian. He might be the best option. If he can be our poor man’s Channing Frye, that would be nice. He has never been on a team with anywhere near the offensive options the knicks have, so he might be nice surprise.

    102. Yi Jianlian is not a “scoring option,” unless you like “scoring options” that have scoring efficiency similar to Jared Jeffries.

      Yi Jianlian, career:
      .476 TS%
      .424 eFG%

      Jared Jeffries, career:
      .474 TS%
      .444 eFG%

      Bringing in Yi Jianlian because you need scoring is like bringing in Eddy Curry because you need post defense or bringing in Allen Iverson because you want to improve clubhouse chemistry.

      I do agree that the frontcourt is a bit thin though. One guy I wouldn’t mind looking at is Ike Diogu, who had a nice little season as a reserve for the Clippers last year. He had a .590 TS% and rebounded the ball well- 8.8 boards per 36 minutes. He’s been a productive player when he’s been healthy. He’s not a prototypical Mike D’Antoni type stretch forward but then most of our roster isn’t anymore anyway.

    103. Ike Diogu is exactly the kind of player we need, a true 4 that can play if we need him and not complain if he doesn’t. He would be perfect. Great insurance for Amare and can fight with our rookies and Jeffries for playing time. Why does he keep bouncing around his career stats are good:
      17.4 pts 8.9 rebs per 36 57.9% TS%

    104. @JK yeah, JJ’s usage is like half of Jianlian’s though. Jianlian’s 7′ tall and a 34% three point shooter for awful teams. All we’ll need him to do is spot up. If He can get that up to 37%, which he already reached in 09/10, and which it seems reasonable he should reach again given that he’ll be a 4th or 5th option, he could be very useful.

      I wouldn’t be opposed to Diogu, since he’s a decent player, but I don’t think he fills a need. We have 4 bigs who are going to play on the interior: Jordan, Jeffries, Chandler, Jorts. We have one who make a jumpshot: Amare. Diogu is another interior player.

    105. Diogu? Jianlian? Shawne Williams?

      These aren’t names that would excite anybody besides the loneliest nba fans at 4:23 in the morning.

      Besides, y’all know that Mike D”s still coach, right? Jeffries is gonna play, and he’s gonna play over Ike Diogu, Yi Jainlain, or any other bottom dweller the Knicks pick up, for better or for worse (worse!).

      Now go to sleep.

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