Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Aug 11 2013)

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Sparks Win Fourth Straight, Routing Liberty (Sun, 11 Aug 2013 02:36:51 GMT)

    The Los Angeles Sparks routed the Liberty, 85-67, in Newark for their fourth straight win.    

  • [New York Post] David trade, and 80 players later, Knicks not much better than 2008 (Sun, 11 Aug 2013 02:54:24 -0500)

    In an alternate basketball universe, David Lee is going on his ninth season as a Knick. In an alternate universe, he has been longtime orange-and-blue teammates with Zach Randolph, Jamal Crawford, Danilo Gallinari, Nate Robinson and Wilson Chandler.
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    15 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (Sunday, Aug 11 2013)”

    1. Continuing the conversation from the Udrih thread, I offer another comparison of a role that Bargnani might be able to fill on the Knicks this year: Posey w/ the 2007-08 Celts.

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=poseyja01&y1=2007&p2=bargnan01&y2=2013

      At age 27, Posey’s career shooting and rebounding stats were very similar to Bargnani. His TS% and 3-pt% bounced all over the place. He had a couple of good years with decent Memphis (age 27) and Miami (age 29-30) teams. Then he went to Boston (age 31) and became the quintessential stretch forward sub on a championship team. Then he signs a bigger contract and reverts to an underwhelming erratic sub.

      Posey was obviously a much better perimeter defender, but Bargnani is a better 1-1 interior defender. Otherwise, they are both poor rebounding stretch forwards. Even though Bargs is called a 7-footer, he really isn’t. The point is, a change in scenery and role hopefully will work similarly for Bargnani.

    2. Nice find Z.
      I think there are a few keys to that comparison becoming a reality.
      First, we can’t play Bargs that much, 15-20 min a game max.
      It might be tough to keep his minutes down if he’s backing up an injury prone Amare.
      Speaking of which, it would be helpful if we moved forward with a lineup that had Melo/Amare as the starting forwards. That way, we can use Bargs primarily at the pf slot where he succeeds more.
      That leaves Chandler w/o much of a backup, unless you put Kmart at backup center.
      But yes, should the team aim in that direction, I could see a useful role for Bargs.

    3. So what about Udrih? What does he do well offensively and defensively. Any synergy numbers? Why did he sit so much in Milwaukee? was it injury related or coach’s decisions?

    4. I don’t recall coming in first in the Atlantic division in 2008, 2009, 2010, or 2011. Whatever Berman is smoking I want some now.

      Haters gonna hate, too bad he writes for a NY newspaper.

    5. Z-man:
      Well, clearly had we kept David Lee we’d have multiple chips by now.

      Maybe if we also had Kawhi Leonard, Ty Lawson, Kenneth Faried on rookie contracts.

      ; )

    6. BigBlueAL:
      Still trying to figure out what exactly was the point of Berman’s article today.

      Apparently breaking up a 6-5 team is a great injustice. Definitely one of the more bizarre pieces I’ve read.

    7. Great stuff from Mike Prada at SBNation today about the value of stretch 4’s — no specific #s but his points seem valid. Here’s a sample:

      MikePradaSBN: Stretch 4s often have what seem like average 3pt%s because most of their attempts are above the break 3s. 35% from them>35% from a wing.

      MikePradaSBN: Ryan Anderson shot 39% on threes last year, but given his shot locations and volume, it’s more impressive than a lot of wings.

      MikePradaSBN: The best Stretch 4s also often force the defense to switch pick and rolls to negate their impact. That leaves a big on a PG. Mismatch.

      He’s specifically talking about Al Harrington and how he might help the Wizards, but would seem to apply to both Melo and Bargnani.

      Melo shot only 54 out of his 410 3PA from the corners — and before anyone says he should be shooting from the corners, we can’t exactly have him, Novak, and Shump all standing in the same spot.

      Bargnani is even more extreme – only 8 out of 123 3PA from the corners in 12-13, 1 out of 114 3PA in 11-12, and 3 out of 220 3PA in 2010-11.

      In comparison – Novak shot about 1/3 of his 3’s from the corners, roughly the same as Copeland. So there is certainly room in the Knicks’ offense for Bargs to shoot more from the short corners.

    8. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Maybe if we also had Kawhi Leonard, Ty Lawson, Kenneth Faried on rookie contracts.; )

      Did we have 2 picks in the Leonard-Faried draft? And I agree on Leonard, but do you truly think that Faried has more upside than Shump?

      It is truly a shame that we drafted Jordan Hill over Lawson, since so much of what we have done since has been scrambling for a legit starting PG. At least you didn’t say Jeremy Lin!

    9. Also, wouldn’t Lee and Faried have been duplicative? I know you were half-serious, but it’s a good question…

    10. Frank: Great stuff from Mike Prada at SBNation today about the value of stretch 4?s — no specific #s but his points seem valid. Here’s a sample:MikePradaSBN: Stretch 4s often have what seem like average 3pt%s because most of their attempts are above the break 3s. 35% from them>35% from a wing.MikePradaSBN: Ryan Anderson shot 39% on threes last year, but given his shot locations and volume, it’s more impressive than a lot of wings.MikePradaSBN: The best Stretch 4s also often force the defense to switch pick and rolls to negate their impact. That leaves a big on a PG. Mismatch.He’s specifically talking about Al Harrington and how he might help the Wizards, but would seem to apply to both Melo and Bargnani.Melo shot only 54 out of his 410 3PA from the corners — and before anyone says he should be shooting from the corners, we can’t exactly have him, Novak, and Shump all standing in the same spot.Bargnani is even more extreme – only 8 out of 123 3PA from the corners in 12-13, 1 out of 114 3PA in 11-12, and 3 out of 220 3PA in 2010-11. In comparison – Novak shot about 1/3 of his 3?s from the corners, roughly the same as Copeland. So there is certainly room in the Knicks’ offense for Bargs to shoot more from the short corners.

      Interesting! My feelings exactly. The issue will be on the defensive end…how do you hide Bargs?

    11. Z-man:
      Also, wouldn’t Lee and Faried have been duplicative? I know you were half-serious, but it’s a good question…

      Well, I wouldn’t pay $11M for Lee, knowing what I know now about his defense.

      And yes, I think Faried has more upside. He’s still young and improving, as is Shumpert. If Shumpert can figure out how to hit an extra shot per game, they’ll be on even ground.

      It’s strange how a single shot per game can mean the difference between an all-star and an average player.

    12. Z-man: Interesting! My feelings exactly. The issue will be on the defensive end…how do you hide Bargs?

      With the Knicks only having one true center who’s likely to get any real playing time, I fear some dreadful lineups with Bargs, Amar’e and Kenyon Martin at C. If one or two of those guys gets hurt, which is very likely, the frontcourt situation could get somewhat dire. I like what the Knicks have done in terms of depth but the frontcourt is pretty sorely lacking in bangers who you can count on to give you minutes.

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