Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Feb 18 2012)

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Knicks cry foul on late-game play (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:22:52 EDT)

    NEW YORK — The Knicks needed a stop, one that would have given them a chance at an eighth straight win and continued Linsanity for at least a couple more days. Then Jared Jeffries and Landry Fields converged on the Hornets’ Marco Bellinelli with 25 seconds left and New Orleans holding a three-point lead.
    Fields was quickly called for a personal foul. He grabbed Bellinelli by the arm. But Fields and Jeffries argued that Bellinelli called timeout before Fields committed the foul that gave Bellinelli a pair of free throws that put the Hornets ahead by five, before going on to win 89-85 Friday night to end one of the most exciting and intriguing two weeks of the Knicks’ season.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Lin hopes loss calms Linsanity (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:18:16 EDT)

    Jeremy Lin lost for the first time as an NBA starter on Friday. He was asked afterward if it was “good” to get the loss out of the way.
    “I don’t think this is good because I hate losing,” Lin said.
    But then he reconsidered.
    “In terms of everything — (meaning the attention surrounding Linsanity) — dying down a little bit, I think from that end it may help me,” Lin said. “It may help the team a little bit in terms of just having everything off the court cool down.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Does Smith put Knicks near top of East? (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:02:09 EDT)

    Knicks interim GM Glen Grunwald has stockpiled the Knicks with plenty of talent.
    Is it enough to put New York in the upper echelon of the Eastern Conference?
    In a rare chat with reporters on Friday, Grunwald was asked if the new-look Knicks (15-16) have enough to compete with Chicago (25-7) and Miami (24-7) in the East.
    “Well, you know, I hope so and we’re going to find out,” said Grunwald, who added J.R. Smith to the roster on Friday. “We have a lot of good basketball players, we have a very good coach.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] D'Antoni: We could have used Smith, Melo (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:40:35 EDT)

    NEW YORK — The Knicks were close to pulling off a comeback victory against a team that walked into the Garden with six wins. They trailed by five with 25 seconds left when they found their purest shooter wide open beyond the 3-point arc.
    Then Steve Novak’s 3-point attempt clanged off the side of the rim. Tyson Chandler gathered the rebound and kicked out to Landry Fields. Clang again.
    Even Amare Stoudemire’s attempt to pull within a point with two seconds left banged off the back rim.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Knicks not concerned about Smith's past (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:55:39 EDT)

    NEW YORK — J.R. Smith has reputation for a jump shot with a hairpin trigger and he has the ability to electrify Madison Square Garden with his streaky shooting. He also has a reputation for issues off the court.
    “We did our due diligence on this and we had people that had, let’s say, inside personal experience with J.R. and they all came out in favor of this move,” said Knicks interim general manager Glen Grunwald.
    Grunwald mentioned that Denver director of pro player personnel and former general manager Mark Warkentein was involved in the Knicks landing Smith.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Grunwald: I don’t foresee further changes (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:47:02 EDT)

    NEW YORK — The consensus is that when Jeremy Lin turned the sports world on its head, he also may have saved coach Mike D’Antoni’s job in the process.
    Even though New Orleans halted the Knicks’ seven-game winning streak on Friday, 89-85, the Knicks at least have a bonafide point guard in Lin, two prolific scorers, and have now added another scoring threat in J.R. Smith. The conversation has moved away from D’Antoni’s job status to the Knicks’ chances to contend for an NBA championship.

  • [New York Times] Hornets 89, Knicks 85: Knicks’ Winning Streak Ends in Loss to Hornets (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:20:07 GMT)

    Jeremy Lin had 26 points and 5 assists, but he also had 9 turnovers and little offensive help from his teammates as the Hornets ended the Knicks’ seven-game winning streak.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Knicks Add J .R. Smith, a Smooth Shooter With Rough Edges (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:54:08 GMT)

    J. R. Smith likes to shoot 3-pointers and his seven-year N.B.A. résumé reads like a flashing caution sign: suspensions, benchings, clashes with his coach and traffic accidents.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: James Quiets Furor, Then the Cavaliers In Return to Cleveland (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:20:08 GMT)

    LeBron James tried to reassure Heat fans that he is committed to helping the Heat win an N.B.A. title this season before he and the Heat defeated the Cavaliers, 111-87, in Cleveland.

  • [New York Times] Linsanity Stung as Hornets Down Knicks to End Run (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:08:37 GMT)

    Jeremy Lin coughed up nine turnovers in his first defeat as a New York Knicks starter with the lowly New Orleans Hornets claiming a surprise 89-85 victory at a sold-out Madison Square Garden on Friday.

  • [New York Times] James Laps Up Boos as Heat Blast Cavaliers (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:57:47 GMT)

    The Miami Heat, led by LeBron James, torched the Cleveland Cavaliers 111-87 on Friday to record their fifth consecutive road win in front of an unforgiving crowd.

  • [New York Times] Kobe Scores 36 to Lead Lakers Over Suns 111-99 (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:29:41 GMT)

    Kobe Bryant scored 18 of his 36 points in the third quarter, Andrew Bynum had 17 points and 14 rebounds, and the Los Angeles Lakers handed the Phoenix Suns their fourth straight loss, 111-99 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Jefferson Scores 34 as Jazz Beat Wizards 114-100 (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:05:43 GMT)

    Al Jefferson scored a season-high 34 points, including 26 in the first half, and the Utah Jazz beat the Washington Wizards 114-100 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Nowitzki Rallies Mavericks to 82-75 Win Over 76ers (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:08:48 GMT)

    Dirk Nowitzki had 28 points and 12 rebounds, and the Dallas Mavericks erased a 15-point deficit with a dominant second half to beat the Philadelphia 76ers 82-75 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Miami Heat Destroy Cavaliers in Tense Atmosphere (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:45:49 GMT)

    The Miami Heat, led by LeBron James, torched the Cleveland Cavaliers 111-87 on Friday to record their fifth consecutive road win in front of an unforgiving crowd in Cleveland on Friday.

  • [New York Times] Cunningham’s Tip Saves Grizzlies vs. Nuggets (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:53:52 GMT)

    Dante Cunningham tipped in Rudy Gay’s miss with less than a second left and the Memphis Grizzlies beat the Denver Nuggets 103-102 Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Hornets End Knicks’ Lin-Ning Streak, 89-85 (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:20:41 GMT)

    Can’t Lin ’em all.

  • [New York Times] Harden, Durant Lead Thunder Past Warriors 110-87 (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:53:54 GMT)

    James Harden scored 25 points, Kevin Durant added 23 points, 10 rebounds and six assists, and the Oklahoma City Thunder completed a season sweep of the Golden State Warriors with a 110-87 win Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Love, Pekovic Lead T’Wolves Over Rockets 111-98 (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:42:42 GMT)

    Kevin Love scored 33 points, including eight straight during a key fourth-quarter stretch, and Nikola Pekovic added a career-high 30 to give the Minnesota Timberwolves a 111-98 win over the Houston Rockets on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Stuckey Gets 36, Leads Pistons Past Kings 114-108 (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:18:17 GMT)

    Rodney Stuckey scored a season-high 36 points and rookie Brandon Knight added 23 points and 10 assists as the Detroit Pistons rallied to beat the Sacramento Kings 114-108 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] James, Heat Blast Cavaliers 111-87 (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:21:15 GMT)

    LeBron James scored 28 in his third game back to Cleveland as a visitor, Dwyane Wade added 22 and the Miami Heat won their fifth straight — all on the road — by destroying the Cavaliers 111-87 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] LeBron Tells Miami Heat Fans Not to Worry (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:50:36 GMT)

    Relax, Miami. LeBron James isn’t leaving the Heat.

  • [New York Times] Magic Rally in 4th Quarter, Outlast Bucks 94-85 (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:57:05 GMT)

    Dwight Howard scored 26 points and grabbed 20 rebounds as the Orlando Magic rallied in the fourth quarter to beat the Milwaukee Bucks 94-85 Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Bobcats End 16-Game Skid, Beat Raptors 98-91 (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:50:54 GMT)

    Reggie Williams scored a season-high 22 points to help the Charlotte Bobcats snap a 16-game losing streak by beating the Toronto Raptors 98-91 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Sign J.R. Smith After Stint in China League (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:48:40 GMT)

    The streaking New York Knicks signed former Denver Nugget J.R. Smith on Friday, giving point guard sensation Jeremy Lin a new backcourt mate.

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks fall to Hornets; Lin scores 26 (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:20:17 EST)

    Well, you can't Lin 'em all.

  • [New York Newsday] Lin admits that the mania is 'taxing' (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:29:22 EST)

    Is Lin-sanity fatigue beginning to set in on Jeremy Lin?

  • [New York Post] Serby’s Linsanity Q&A with â?¦Jeremy Lin (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:06:51 -0500)

    The Post’s Steve Serby sat down on Thursday with the Knicks’ instant superstar point guard. Here is the conclusion of that interview:
    Q: How do you feel about being an inspiration to so many people?

    A: I think it’s awesome because I’ve been inspired, too. And I…

  • [New York Post] For Knicks, it’s time for sanity to return (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:27:09 -0500)

    As the final seconds ticked off the clock at Madison Square Garden last night, Knicks fans were not sure how to react. In the old days, they would have booed long and loud at losing to a team with just six wins.
    But this was an unfamiliar feeling. A seven-game…

  • [New York Post] Hornets find reason to cheer with third straight victory (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:26:03 -0500)

    There’s been little for the New Orleans Hornets to cheer about this season, but you wouldn’t have been able to tell that from watching them play the Knicks last night at the Garden.
    The Hornets, who entered last night’s game last in the Western Conference, harassed Jeremy…

  • [New York Post] Landry struggles, falls victim to dubious late foul (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:26:03 -0500)

    Landry Fields and Jared Jeffries pressured Marco Belinelli in the final minute, trapping the Hornets guard and potentially putting the Knicks in position to get the ball back with a chance to tie.
    “I heard him say time out,â? Fields said of Belinelli. “I thought we were in the jump…

  • [New York Post] Knicks hopeful sharpshooter Smith â??not just a 1-year’ rental (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:26:03 -0500)

    Two weeks ago, Mike D’Antoni would have done cartwheels reacting to the signing of shooting guard J.R. Smith. But yesterday, D’Antoni’s mood was tempered about adding Smith â?? or at least it was before the Knicks saw their seven-game Linning streak come to an end with a…

  • [New York Post] Maria knows how Jeremy’s fame feels (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:26:03 -0500)

    Maria Sharapova knows all about being a media phenomenon and squarely in the public eye, but not even the Russian tennis star could avoid Linsanity.
    The three-time Grand Slam winner was in town, seated front row at Fashion Week and hyping her March 5 match against Caroline Wozniacki in the…

  • [New York Post] No-Lin situation: Knicks’ win streak ends at 7 (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:22:36 -0500)

    It was fun while it lasted.
    The Linsanity craze can die down a trifle and the cry for Carmelo Anthony’s comeback can pick up. The winning streak is over at seven games. The clock struck midnight on Linderella.
    The Knicks got buried in a 14-point first-quarter hole because of…

  • [New York Post] Iman on a mission for dunk title (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:05:26 -0500)

    Iman Shumpert admits because he was passed over for the Rising Stars Challenge on All-Star Weekend, he’s more motivated to take home the Slam Dunk Contest title.
    “A little bit,â? Shumpert told The Post. “You get a little chip on your shoulder.â?
    Shumpert, the Knicks’ exciting rookie guard, was…

  • [New York Daily News] Time will team if Melo, Smith wreck Knicks (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:05:51 GMT)

    J.R. Smith, the run-and-gunner. Carmelo Anthony, the chucker. Baron Davis, renowned thief of playing minutes. Things will change in a hurry, and then we’ll discover whether Jeremy Lin and Mike D’Antoni can control the uncontrollable.

  • [New York Daily News] Instant fame proves taxing for Knicks’ Lin (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:55:41 GMT)

    Even for Jeremy Lin, instant stardom has it drawbacks. The Knicks rags to riches point guard admitted on Friday that the events of the past two weeks have been “a little mentally and emotionally taxing.”

  • [New York Daily News] Smith confirms via Twitter he’s joining Knicks (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:59:35 GMT)

    J.R. Smith has confirmed, via Twitter, that he is joining the Knicks. The impending signing of the free agent shooting guard was first reported on the Daily News’ website on Thursday.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Lin some, lose one (Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:57:29 GMT)

    Two weeks of Lin-sanity and everything that entails finally got the best of Jeremy Lin. He’s no longer undefeated, no longer invincible and the Knicks winning streak is over.

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    84 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (Saturday, Feb 18 2012)”

    1. god, Adelman is a crazy good coach, where the hell did Pekovic come from? dude is killing it right now.

    2. There is gonna be some backlash towards ESPN I would think. I can’t believe they would use the title “a chink in the armor”, racially insensitive to say the least.

    3. Spree8nyk8:
      There is gonna be some backlash towards ESPN I would think.I can’t believe they would use the title “a chink in the armor”, racially insensitive to say the least.

      Well, I’m pretty mad.

    4. Spree8nyk8: There is gonna be some backlash towards ESPN I would think. I can’t believe they would use the title “a chink

      Hardly the first time ESPN has allowed something racially charged against Asians to “slip”

      Frankly, I’m really tired of ESPN. Does anyone have any suggestions on other sites to catch up on all the latest NBA/sports news?

    5. this is not even the first time ESPN has used that phrase when talking about Lin. Some ESPN news anchor said it live on air while interviewing Clyde about Lin. Just a disaster of a reporting outlet.

    6. Gideon Zaga:
      February 18, 2012 at 10:01 am

      well, Adelman has been notorious for his work with big man who can pass and shoot from the mid-range area… and Pekovic certainly doesn’t fit that game style, so that’s why it’s kinda surprising for me.

      I thought he would rely on Brad Miller more (if he’s healthy enough to do it) and Darko, but Pekovic has been pretty awesome with him.

    7. In this day and age, the “chink in the armor” comment is just deplorable.

      I’ll echo Mister Ma. Someone should go down for that one. Unless it was an accident, in which case they should merely be fired.

    8. Ayways back to D’antoni, to me he is the weak link of this team. Although i have cooled down on my rooting for him to get fired, the guy doesnt seem like a good game manager like a Doc or Phil. In fact I seem him as a Tex Winter knida guy. You know how Tex Winter was always called, the architect of the triangle offense and the Zen Master massaged the ego of the players. Since we have been winning, people have failed to see the lack of detail, mismanagement of minutes and screwed up line ups he’s put out there. I mean i know the guy hit the game winner, but what does that say of a coach who lets some guy who just started his 5th game in the nba just out of the D-league to take the game winning shot, plus the play before that was a missed shot by Shumpert a rookie, while your best player Amare is on the floor. Come on we really have to question MDA methods as a coach. I mean I wander if the guy stresses free throw shooting half as much as 3 point shooting. And how long has he been coaching Amare and the guy keeps missing rotations and is still bad on p&r defense. No wander Melo never publicly backs the guy. The guy holds no one accountable and pays no attention to detail. He doesn’t even try to exploit matchups, his mo is just move the ball till the clock runs and if you don’t get a good shot, hoist it up. Are u kidding me? After all these years the guy hasn’t even suggested to Amare to develop a post game, as if they both don’t see the writing on the wall. LIN can’t expect to be penetrating defenses as well as be expected to play defense on the other end. The guy won’t last 82 games or even the playoffs on that. I mean I understand now why Nash doesn’t play defense either, you get beat up everytime. I’m just tired of this Coach man.

    9. Actually I think D’Antoni has shown some added creativity lately in his game planning, although the team’s attention to detail does tend to be poor in general. Honestly, I’m starting to feel the same way about Amar’e most people say they feel about Melo. Once Amar’e gets the ball, he’s not passing. He plays horrendously bad defense, which he has no excuse for whatsoever. And unlike Melo, he can’t do an even mediocre job of running an offense himself. He needs a setup man (to be fair most bigs do) or he’s just going to run blindly at the basket and get blocked, and he’ll get triple teamed every time because there is literally no chance of him passing. None. He’s as good a finisher around the rim as any in the league, but we have Chandler doing that and he will set real screens and make it easy for the point guard to find him. This team would probably be better with Amar’e for Ryan Anderson straight up, at least he will attempt to make defensive rotations and make his jump shots….

    10. Gideon Zaga:
      Ayways back to D’antoni, to me he is the weak link of this team. . I’m just tired of this Coach man.

      No way he is getting fired now. Players love him which is all that really matters.

    11. Yeah, it was definitely Jeremy Lin who caused the “chink in the armor.”

      Not the 4-24 3PT shooting last night. People need to learn how to read a box score. 9 TO sucks, but shooting 16% on threes and taking 24 of them will sink your team’s win expectancy REAL fast.

    12. that’s why it’s insane people are complaining about J.R Smith being a not very good signing… the guy can shoot, he’s on a contract year with little time to showcase his skills… if he starts freelancing and chucking bad shots, D’Antoni can just glue him to the bench or we can waive him and face no bad consequences.

      we need more talented players, specially ones that can shoot the 3 and handle the ball.

    13. I know that the offensive system was working, or could have worked, but for the execution part, bad 3 point and foul shooting. If those aspect of the game was going better than awful, the outcome would be much better for the Knicks.

      At the same time, running some post play for Stat (or in the future, for Melo) or changing up the offense at least would have added a different wrinkle, and allowed for the players to regroup. Could have even draw some more fouls on Nola front court players. Maybe it’s just my frustration speaking.

    14. Bruno Almeida:
      that’s why it’s insane people are complaining about J.R Smith being a not very good signing… the guy can shoot, he’s on a contract year with little time to showcase his skills… if he starts freelancing and chucking bad shots, D’Antoni can just glue him to the bench or we can waive him and face no bad consequences.

      we need more talented players, specially ones that can shoot the 3 and handle the ball.

      Do you know how much a team pays for a guy who can shoot the three AND handle the ball? If we don’t have one of them now, we never will. J.R. Smith might be the only viable option, but let’s not forget that Steve Novak and Bill Walker are supposed to be three point specialists. (I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a box score in which Walker has 0 assists and 0 boards.) That was just a bad shooting night from some good shooters. It’s going to happen.

      9 TO sucks, but turnovers are far less important than terrible shooting.

    15. Tomorrow will be a very good test for this team. I flipped to some of the Sixers-Mavs game last night, and when the Mavs put the defensive clamps down on Philly, they turned a double digit deficit into an 8 or 9 point lead in minutes. Their D is very underrated, and if you think we had trouble scoring last night…

    16. here are are Lin’s basic stats since he started playing significant mn (nets game/8 games).
      302:51 MP
      TS% .579
      fg% .503
      ft% .727, on 8.25 fta/game
      3p% .291, on 3 3PA/game
      3.75 RB
      1.88 stl
      8.6 ast
      5.75 TOV
      24.6 pts
      I haven’t done actual usage stats, but it’s well north of the 30% mark for sure.

    17. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Do you know how much a team pays for a guy who can shoot the three AND handle the ball? If we don’t have one of them now, we never will. J.R. Smith might be the only viable option, but let’s not forget that Steve Novak and Bill Walker are supposed to be three point specialists. (I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a box score in which Walker has 0 assists and 0 boards.) That was just a bad shooting night from some good shooters. It’s going to happen.

      9 TO sucks, but turnovers are far less important than terrible shooting.

      I agree with you, but I think having J.R Smith gives us insurance in case these nights happen.

      I don’t think we can truly rely on Walker and Novak to provide spacing and 3pt shooting every night, specially when Shumpert, Fields and everyone else have been so inept shooting the 3.

      if Fields was shooting his 39% from last year, that would be ok, but as of now J.R is a pretty good option.

    18. if Fields was shooting his 39% from last year, that would be ok, but as of now J.R is a pretty good option.

      Holy smokes! I didn’t know or remember that. Why did Landry actively ruin his game?

    19. Fields, Walker, Shumpert and Novak shot 7-31 from the floor. The team was 4-24 from 3.

      I like Iman Shumpert’s D, but the guy really needs to not take 13 FGA per 36 minutes with his .418 eFG%.

    20. If you are blaming this loss on Lin, I kind of wonder if you watched the game closely.
      The team is still adjusting to Amare’s return, and a few things are quite obvious to me:
      1. Amare’s defense is pretty terrible compared to Jeffries. For example, defending picks. Chandler and Jeffries make a profound flash to prevent the guard from getting to far ahead of his marker and then they quickly peel off and recover. Amare barely flashes and when he does he doesn’t plant strongly enough or long enough to have any impact, and then he is slow to recover. Amare loses his mark, routinely. Part of this is energy and part is technique.
      2. Amare is often caught of guard by passes. It is striking to me that one of the greatest finishers in the game has some of the worst hands i’ve seen on a big man. His problem largely is chemistry with Lin right now. I think is will improve as he gets familiar with Lin. More than half of Lin’s turnovers were Amare’s fault. There even were plays where Amare eventually got control of a Lin pass, but fumbled it initially.

      I believe Amare’s defense will always be soft. But when he gets comfortable with the offense, his scoring will offset the poor d.

    21. Your points re: Amare are valid, but going by your opening line, are you blaming this loss on Amare’s defense? I think if Novak, Shumpert and Fields shoot anywhere close to a decent %, we win the game and we’re not even talking about Amare’s D today. Plus he’s the only Knick who shot the ball at all well.

    22. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Yeah, it was definitely Jeremy Lin who caused the “chink in the armor.”Not the 4-24 3PT shooting last night. People need to learn how to read a box score. 9 TO sucks, but shooting 16% on threes and taking 24 of them will sink your team’s win expectancy REAL fast.

      True, but the 9 TO’s (8 in the first half) helped set the tone for the game. Not to mention piss-poor 3-pt shooting.

      I continue to be very down on Landry. I know he makes zero money, but he is just not playing well enough to justify his minutes at SG, sepecially 3-pt shooting and FT shooting. Maybe getting J R Smith will light a fire under him.

    23. Z-man: True, but the 9 TO’s (8 in the first half) helped set the tone for the game. Not to mention piss-poor 3-pt shooting.

      I continue to be very down on Landry.I know he makes zero money, but he is just not playing well enough to justify his minutes at SG, sepecially 3-pt shooting and FT shooting. Maybe getting J R Smith will light a fire under him.

      well, I’ve been pretty down on Landry myself this season, but we can’t deny that he has been really good in this 7-game streak… this was a bad game, as all players have, but he has improved a lot so far.

      the problem with Smith is that there’s no way we’re resigning him, so he’s strictly a rental… I think he’s a great addition, but let’s not ditch Landry, we’ll need him for the future.

    24. I’m sorry guys anf I do blame Amare 80% for the loss and 20% on shooting 3pts and free throws. The turnovers are becoming to consistent and if you play Miami, you might as well throw them an alley oop. I blame D’antoni, even when you hear him micd up, you never him talk about detail alas taking care of the ball or something. Plus he doesnt watch their minutes. Such a terrible game manager.

    25. Gideon Zaga:
      I’m sorry guys anf I do blame Amare 80% for the loss and 20% on shooting 3pts and free throws. The turnovers are becoming to consistent and if you play Miami, you might as well throw them an alley oop. I blame D’antoni, even when you hear him micd up, you never him talk about detail alas taking care of the ball or something. Plus he doesnt watch their minutes. Such a terrible game manager.

      You blame Amar’e for shooting 16% from 3PT range?

    26. Right, because the little bit that they show in a mic’d up segment is the only thing he says to players all game.

    27. Bruno Almeida: I agree with you, but I think having J.R Smith gives us insurance in case these nights happen.

      I don’t think we can truly rely on Walker and Novak to provide spacing and 3pt shooting every night, specially when Shumpert, Fields and everyone else have been so inept shooting the 3.

      if Fields was shooting his 39% from last year, that would be ok, but as of now J.R is a pretty good option.

      Smith might be insurance, but he’s not a 60% 3PT shooter. He’s going to shoot poorly from time to time. He’s not an all-pro level player, so any hope that he’s the “final piece” is misguided — even if he can add yet another “good” shooter to a lineup that already has a couple.

    28. Also, not to intrude on the Amare hate fest we have going on, but Lins turnovers were not his fault. Looking at them on Synergy, we have:

      1) A pass to Amare in transition that was at his knees. If Amare had caught that it would have been a miracle. It was a good read by Lin because the window for the pass was there, he just delivered it low.

      2) Lin stripped on a drive.

      3) Lin stripped on a drive.

      4) Lin coughing it up immediately after stealing an inbounds pass. The rest of the team was not in the front court, when he got the steal he was in between two opponents and it was poked away.

      5) Lin gets penetration on the pick and roll and his kick out to the corner gets picked.

      6) Lin stripped on a drive.

      7) Lin penetrates and tries to make a dump off pass to a cutting Fields but Belinelli reads the play and deflects the pass away.

      8) Lin falls down driving.

      9) Lin throws a bad lob to Amare.

      Lin just gets stripped on his drives way too often and he often times passes poorly or his aim is off when he throws them.

    29. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Smith might be insurance, but he’s not a 60% 3PT shooter. He’s going to shoot poorly from time to time. He’s not an all-pro level player, so any hope that he’s the “final piece” is misguided — even if he can add yet another “good” shooter to a lineup that already has a couple.

      Smith is a much, much, much better shooter than any of Landry, Walker or Shumpert and a much better all-around player than Novak.

      Smith has had 5 seasons shooting north of .370 from 3 on more than 5 attempts per 36, and he’s had two seasons shooting above .390 on NINE 3pt attempts per 36. As someone else with access to a Synergy account has pointed out, he shoots above .400 on spot up and transition threes, which just demolishes any of our other wing players right now.

      Even if you want to be incredibly charitable toward Fiends and Walker, call this season an anomaly and credit them with being close to .400 from deep (which is plainly not the case this year, but whatever), one thing that observation can tell you that plain statistics will not is that Smith has a much, much quicker release than either one. Landry and Walker need to be wiiiiide open to line up their bricks; Smith on the other hand needs only a glimmer of daylight if that to squeeze one off. Not only does he hit shots, but his defender simply can’t help off him, something that is not even close to being the case right save for…

      Novak, who is as one-dimensional a player as they come. He and Smith will both occasionally have off-nights, but Smith has the benefit of being vastly superior at literally every other part of the game, be it passing, ball-handling, defense… hell even his *rebounding* is better than Novak. Their shooting being equal (roughly… give the slight edge to Novak if you want), there’s no question about who brings more to the table on average.

    30. It was one game. Classic trap game. Lin can and did make adjustments in the second half. Plus I think all teams are making sure Lin does not beat them. Who wants to be seen on sportcenter as part of the J. Lin show.

    31. @32

      he’s not the missing piece, this team is not a championship team, but you can never have enough good shooters on a Mike D’Antoni team, and Smith is far from a unidimensional shooter like Novak is for example.

      he can carry the offense in stretches and do it fairly efficiently, which is much better than what Shumpert / Walker / Bibby / whoever comes off the bench has done so far.

    32. Gideon Zaga:
      I’m sorry guys anf I do blame Amare 80% for the loss and 20% on shooting 3pts and free throws.

      Come on, Amar’e’s defense was bad but he did a good job on the boards and scored fairly efficiently- they were +5 with him on the floor, -9 in the nine minutes he sat- tough to hang this one on Amar’e.
      Also, as hard as it is to believe, Fields and Shumpert’s numbers from beyond 15 feet are almost identical- don’t be surprised to see JR starting within a couple of weeks if he’s shooting threes well.

    33. Buddy when are you gonna take time to watch the whole game and not the box score. We’re talking about the man’s defense not his shooting.

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: You blame Amar’e for shooting 16% from 3PT range?

    34. I’m sorry pal but the media is looking for the soundbites that actually have something to do with the game. They are not just looking for garbage.

      xduckshoex:
      Right, because the little bit that they show in a mic’d up segment is the only thing he says to players all game.

    35. Offensively, Landry’s good games are similar to Tyson Chandler’s. However, having two guys on the floor that can only score efficiently on taylor-made opportunities puts a huge strain on the team whenever the opponent plays good D. At least Chandler is a top defensive player. Fields is just OK on D and nothing he does on O is anything that just about any other rotation 2 in the league can do. He is a plus rebounder, but way off his levels from early last year. His shooting form actually looks worse than it did, and his shots are so flat that I’m surprised he hits anything at all.

    36. Gideon Zaga:
      I’m sorry pal but the media is looking for the soundbites that actually have something to do with the game.They are not just looking for garbage.

      You’re not making sense.

      “The 10 seconds of audio I heard didn’t mention taking care of the ball” is not a valid criticism on any level.

    37. Oh really now, as if that wasn’t the obvious problem in the first half.

      xduckshoex: You’re not making sense.

      “The 10 seconds of audio I heard didn’t mention taking care of the ball” is not a valid criticism on any level.

    38. People are quick to get down on Fields around here. The only thing that he’s not doing right now is hit threes and free throws, everything else has been great. For the month he’s averaging 11 ppg, 4 rpg, 3 apg on 48% shooting. If he starts knocking down threes and free throws at anywhere near the clip he did last year that scoring number rises quite a bit.

      It’s also worth noting that he’s been the Knicks on/off leader all season long(though obviously that is helped by being spelled by Bibby, Douglas and Walker). But still, I think people exaggerate quite a bit when they talk about how bad he is playing.

    39. Gideon Zaga:
      Oh really now,as if that wasn’t the obvious problem in the first half.

      Obviously it was a problem in the first half.

      Obivously it was less of a problem in the second half, as 2/3 of their turnovers occurred in the first half.

      But the fact still remains: not hearing D’Antoni talk about it in a soundbite doesn’t mean he didn’t address the issue at all.

    40. Gideon Zaga:
      I’m sorry pal but the media is looking for the soundbites that actually have something to do with the game.They are not just looking for garbage.

      I find your abundance of faith in the media… disturbing.

    41. xduckshoex:
      People are quick to get down on Fields around here.The only thing that he’s not doing right now is hit threes and free throws, everything else has been great.For the month he’s averaging 11 ppg, 4 rpg, 3 apg on 48% shooting.If he starts knocking down threes and free throws at anywhere near the clip he did last year that scoring number rises quite a bit.

      It’s also worth noting that he’s been the Knicks on/off leader all season long(though obviously that is helped by being spelled by Bibby, Douglas and Walker).But still, I think people exaggerate quite a bit when they talk about how bad he is playing.

      well, the “only” things that he aren’t doing are kinda pretty important for a starting 2 on an offense that relies heavily on spacing and 3pt shooting to operate… and this is ignoring Fields struggles on the defensive end…

      he has the ability to shoot better than he has, he showed that last year, but it’s definitely not ok for a starting 2 guard on a team that has any playoff pretensions to shoot .273 from 3.

    42. xduckshoex:
      But still, I think people exaggerate quite a bit when they talk about how bad he is playing.

      amusingly I think people exaggerate quite a bit when they talk about how well he is playing. he’s had some solid to good games, but he needs to hit threes once in a while to keep the defense honest. he shouldn’t be dropped out of the rotation once everyone is back, but he’s a 15-20 minute player on a good team.

      meanwhile, Melo is still unlikely for tomorrow, but both Baron and Smith might play (!!!):

      http://www.nba.com/2012/news/02/18/knicks-injuries.ap/index.html?rss=true

    43. xduckshoex: People are quick to get down on Fields around here. The only thing that he’s not doing right now is hit threes and free throws, everything else has been great. For the month he’s averaging 11 ppg, 4 rpg, 3 apg on 48% shooting. If he starts knocking down threes and free throws at anywhere near the clip he did last year that scoring number rises quite a bit.

      It’s also worth noting that he’s been the Knicks on/off leader all season long(though obviously that is helped by being spelled by Bibby, Douglas and Walker). But still, I think people exaggerate quite a bit when they talk about how bad he is playing.

      Nah, he has been playing like crap. It’s not just that he can’t hit a three to save his life, it’s that our offense demands that our wings be able to do so, or at least be a credible threat to do so. We have two pick-and-roll big men crowding the paint right now and spacing is at a premium. His presence throws a wrench in the offense in multiple ways, both in that he misses the threes he does take, passes up other open looks because he knows he can’t hit them, and essentially allows his man to be a free safety in the paint because he’s not a threat to shoot and takes for-ev-er to even get an attempt up. That’s just totally unacceptable for a starting 2-guard on a team that hopes to go deep in the playoffs, particularly one running the spread pick-and-roll offense.

      I know he makes virtually nothing, but his play his hurting the team. If JR Smith can put points on the board and keep defenders honest with his range I’ll have no problem with him taking many of Landry’s minutes, despite how much more I like Fields as a person.

    44. Bruno Almeida: he has the ability to shoot better than he has, he showed that last year, but it’s definitely not ok for a starting 2 guard on a team that has any playoff pretensions to shoot .273 from 3.

      Actually lots of teams have competed with 2 guards without 3 point range. When Wade won his campionship he shot less than 20% from three and Rip shot less than 27% when he won with Detroit. In fact Wade over his first 5 seasons in the league shot worse than 26% from three and was still one of the best players in the entire league.

      Fields is no where near Wade but 3 point shooting is not the be all end all test of a 2 guard. Fields has been pretty good over the last month, not great but good. When his shooting comes around which it will, he will be a very solid starting 2 guard for us.

    45. Ben R: Fields is no where near Wade

      Ha! This is far and away the most important part of your comment. To say that there are other 2-guards who weren’t great from long range but who still won championships and then cite Wade (a top 5 overall player) and Hamilton (automatic from 18 feet and playing in an offense designed to get him those looks constantly) is just ridiculous.

      Landry is simply not good enough at anything else to mitigate his awful shooting, a skill which incidentally is of extreme importance in the system we run. He’s not a plus defender or ball-handler, only sporadically competent at setting up his teammates… even his rebounding has come back down to earth with Chandler and Amar’e both in the frontcourt.

    46. last 11 games, Fields is 10/27 from three. That’s 37%.

      50.5% from the field
      11.5 points
      4.9 rebounds
      3.4 assists
      1.2 steals
      1.5 turnovers
      35 MPG

    47. Ben R: When his shooting comes around which it will, he will be a very solid starting 2 guard for us.

      he will be starting in name only soon enough, I have him at six minutes at SG to start the game, then 16 more minutes at backup SF over the rest of the game, once everyone is back.

    48. Only place fields is still struggling is free throws — 18/32 or 56% on about 3 attempts a game

    49. max fisher-cohen:
      last 11 games, Fields is 10/27 from three. That’s 37%.

      50.5% from the field
      11.5 points
      4.9 rebounds
      3.4 assists
      1.2 steals
      1.5 turnovers
      35 MPG

      In his last 9 games, he’s 3-17 from three- that’s 18%. Moreover, during this 8 game run with Lin playing he’s had 5 games where he hasn’t hit a single shot outside of 10 feet. And he had a similar stretch earlier in the season where I think he one jump shot over a six game stretch. As I noted earlier, his numbers outside of 15 feet are just about identical to Shumpert’s- bad. He’s done some good things- he can get to the rim and he’s become a much better passer- but he’s a poor defender who this season has struggled to do the most important thing for a two in this system- knock down open threes. He might be better than JR even without hitting threes but he’s not as good a fit for the system. Hopefully he gets his three point stroke back but if not…

    50. max fisher-cohen:
      last 11 games, Fields is 10/27 from three. That’s 37%.

      wow, this is so misleading! he’s actually 10/28 in his last 11, but that breaks down to 7/11 in the first two games in that sample, and a dreadful 3/17 in the last nine games.

    51. flossy: Ha!This is far and away the most important part of your comment.To say that there are other 2-guards who weren’t great from long range but who still won championships and then cite Wade (a top 5 overall player) and Hamilton (automatic from 18 feet and playing in an offense designed to get him those looks constantly) is just ridiculous.

      Landry is simply not good enough at anything else to mitigate his awful shooting, a skill which incidentally is of extreme importance in the system we run.He’s not a plus defender or ball-handler, only sporadically competent at setting up his teammates…even his rebounding has come back down to earth with Chandler and Amar’e both in the frontcourt.

      Bruno made a definitive statement that teams can not be successful with a 2 guard that can’t hit threes and I was simply showing that in two recent cases teams have won championships with 2 guards as primary offensive weapons that couldn’t hit threes. I was not comparing Fields to Wade and Rip.

      Fields’ stats over the last month per 36 minutes are:
      12.7 pts 4.9 rebs 3.7 asts 1.3 stls 1.7 tos with a 56.9% TS%

      Those are with Fields hitting just 30.6% from 3 and 60.1% from the line. Fields has shown that he can be efficient without shooting the 3 well and struggling from the line. When he starts hitting them he should be even more effieinct than last year.

      To say he is mediocre at everything and bad from deep is really selling him short: 4.9 rebs, 3.7 asts, 1.3 stls are all good numbers for a 2 guard as is 56.9% TS%. His defense is average but getting better and was less of a liability when he had a 4 that actually hedged on screens and didn’t leave him out to dry like Amare.

    52. Ben R: Actually lots of teams have competed with 2 guards without 3 point range. When Wade won his campionship he shot less than 20% from three and Rip shot less than 27% when he won with Detroit. In fact Wade over his first 5 seasons in the league shot worse than 26% from three and was still one of the best players in the entire league.

      Fields is no where near Wade but 3 point shooting is not the be all end all test of a 2 guard. Fields has been pretty good over the last month, not great but good. When his shooting comes around which it will, he will be a very solid starting 2 guard for us.

      look, if Landry did what Wade or Hamilton at his prime did, I’d be totally fine with him shootin 20% from 3, but he doesn’t.

      and D’Antoni’s system requires good 3pt shooting, and Landry can’t provide that.

    53. Let’s also note that Rip and Wade generally played with other great 3 point shooters around them.

      Fields plays with Jeremy Lin, who’s been making big shots lately but is still under 30% from three.

      It’s not a hard and fast rule that your 2-guard has to be a great 3 point shooter, but for Lin’s sake, SOMEBODY in the starting lineup has to be.

    54. Fields is in his second year, he is statistically above average at pretty much everything except 3pt shooting, FT shooting and usage. Maybe he is not one of this teams problems.

      Maybe Amare getting his bell consistantly rang by the Gustavo Ayon’s of the world while making everyones job on defense harder is more to blame.

    55. jon abbey: wow, this is so misleading! he’s actually 10/28 in his last 11, but that breaks down to 7/11 in the first two games in that sample, and a dreadful 3/17 in the last nine games.

      I was just trying to go back to when he started playing better. It’s true that those first two breakout games really raised his average, but isn’t it also misleading to suggest that he’s a terrible shooter when he shot 39% from three last year and is still at 36% on his career? I’m not saying he will definitely get back to 39%, but I think the odds are he will at least get back to being an average 3pt shooter (35-36%).

    56. Gideon Zaga:
      I’m sorry pal but the media is looking for the soundbites that actually have something to do with the game.They are not just looking for garbage.

      Actually they are not allowed to show video/audio that is considered detailed strategy stuff. They are only allowed to show basic/generic stuff. If you really think the stuff coaches talk about in the huddle or in the locker room is what is shown on TV you are sadly mistaken.

    57. well, he’s shown no sign of being able to do that in the last nine games certainly, but more importantly, it’s not just about percentages. too often Fields passes when a shooting guard needs to be shooting, I look forward to his minutes dropping.

    58. I don’t mean to pile on Fields and Stat, but you need to focus on the stats that count at the position. What I’m saying is that rebounds, steals and assists are far, far less important for a ‘shooting’ guard than the primary skill—- shooting. I’m not even going to address his D. This is one of the problems I have with Stat. If he’s a PF, damn, be a power forward. He should minimally be a monster on the boards, an intimidator and a tough defender. I don’t think salaries are always relevant, but given his, these skills should be a given. I don’t really want a 3 that plays the 4 and can’t excel in these skills. Particularly if you have Melo, who is a 3, but rebounds as well as Stat and is a better defender, IMO. We are getting closer it seems to having guys who fit their proper role. To me this is so important and I think it makes it less important to rely on so-called stars. Get guys who play their role. I think that is why Lin pointed out that he is shooting too much. There are very few LeBrons or Magics on this planet. Can’t we at least get competence at each position in the particular skill set?

    59. NO plays the type of game that exposes the basic weakness of this team as currently constructed. They play a zone to stop Lin’s penetration and dare everybody to shoot (which they can’t do), and they walk the ball up and try to expose the weak part of our defense (typically Amare) in the PNR. The best way to counter that would have been to field a defensive team (w/o Amare) using Jeffries/Shump a lot and wreak havoc with their offense which we did mid 4th quarter.That did actually work then and did manage to generate a come back and cut their lead back to 5. Unfortunately, MDA reinserted Amare in the game and that was the end of that.

      I guess MDA can’t just bench his max player without consequences. There are politics in the locker room just like in the board room.

      Going forward, if we play Melo and JR in lieu of the current Fields/walker/shump combo and go all offense, we would of course destroy a team like NO or make any zone defense not viable. but our defense will take a hit for sure. our best bet would be to implement a zone defense of our own. it’s clear that the zone gives miami problems for instance as it does most teams.

    60. Ben R:
      Fields is in his second year, he is statistically above average at pretty much everything except 3pt shooting, FT shooting and usage. Maybe he is not one of this teams problems.

      Maybe Amare getting his bell consistantly rang by the Gustavo Ayon’s of the world while making everyones job on defense harder is more to blame.

      If your man getting 13 points is “getting your bell rung” what would you call the guys defending Bellinelli and Ariza (42 points combined)? The chimes of freedom? And I anticipate the response: “those guys got open shots because of Amare’s poor rotations” Yep. that would explain it.

    61. @64 Dude, we gave up 89 points, shot 4-24 from 3 point range and 19-29 from the FT line. Do you really think defense was our problem?

    62. The Nets won in Chicago today. Best part is it was the first of 3 straight games (ending vs the Knicks on Monday) yet DWill and Brooks played 42 minutes while Humphries played 45 minutes. Brook Lopez is supposed to play tomorrow but dunno if they will have him play back-to-back games right off the bat so not sure if he will play vs the Knicks.

    63. d-mar–I agree that defense was not our problem per se, but since we were shooting so very badly, better D would have won the game. The offense comes and goes, but IMO D can bring it every night. Some of our guys did not bring it last night on D and some of our guys can’t bring it. We probably held them to 89 points because they are not a good team and we should have held them to 82 points. I thought Stats D was really atrocious. Thank God for spell check.

    64. I definitely agree with this in regard to his play this season. I’m hoping it’s a confidence issue. I feel like he’s worth the commitment on the chance that he can be the passer he is now as well as the shooter he was last year. Even if JR plays great and gets more minutes than Fields, the problem is we really have no way of keeping him… I highly doubt he sticks around for $2.5 million next year. We have Fields’ early bird rights, so IMO we should try to maximize his development and confidence.

      jon abbey:
      too often Fields passes when a shooting guard needs to be shooting.

    65. bluemax:
      NO plays the type of game that exposes the basic weakness of this team as currently constructed. They play a zone to stop Lin’s penetration and dare everybody to shoot (which they can’t do), and they walk the ball up and try to expose the weak part of our defense (typically Amare) in the PNR. The best way to counter that would have been to field a defensive team (w/o Amare) using Jeffries/Shump a lot and wreak havoc with their offense which we did mid 4th quarter.That did actually work then and did manage to generate a come back and cut their lead back to 5. Unfortunately, MDA reinserted Amare in the game and that was the end of that.

      I guess MDA can’t just bench his max player without consequences. There are politics in the locker room just like in the board room.

      Seriously? Amar’e played the entire 4th quarter except for one offense/defense switch at the end of the game- the guy who came in for Jeffries after the lead got cut to 5 was Chandler. If you’re going to kill the guy at least get it right- Amar’e was actually part of that defensive unit (playing pretty good post defense on Kaman in the second half) that got the Knicks back in the game.

    66. max fisher-cohen:
      We have Fields’ early bird rights, so IMO we should try to maximize his development and confidence.

      I think if everyone is healthy, the development part of the year (for Fields, Shumpert, and whoever else) is done. this is a team built to attempt to win right now, and I think both Fields and Shumpert’s minutes are going to drop.

    67. This team will benefit quite a bit from finally having more than one competent ball handler and 3 point shooter on the team. Baron, JR, and Melo are such massive upgrade from Bibby, Fields, and Walker it’s kind of sad. Fields can take his rightful spot as the backup small forward on the team, JR might not start but he should at least finish games, and it’s going to be amazing how much better this offense is when you have JR making Landry’s passed up 3’s. Who knows, maybe Baron Davis can still have a significant impact this year.

    68. A fun stat alert – we’ve all noticed that Jeffries has been playing a lot better, right? Well, WS/48 is reflecting this as well, as he has hit .100 for the first time I have ever seen in his career. And that’s .100 overall, obviously he’s even higher than that recently in order to get to .100 overall.

      Shump is still getting hurt by his amazingly awful shooting. If he could just finish around the basket (how can he not do that?), I bet his WS/48 would rise, as well. His defensive stats are through the roof.

    69. I’m still frankly disoriented by the sudden rush of improved talent and balance.

      Those seven games were exciting as hell and something I will long be grateful for. That’s not gonna happen again. I’m glad they lost one, though. The frenzy was so over the top it was becoming less fun.

    70. daJudge: This is one of the problems I have with Stat. If he’s a PF, damn, be a power forward. He should minimally be a monster on the boards, an intimidator and a tough defender. I don’t think salaries are always relevant, but given his, these skills should be a given. …Can’t we at least get competence at each position in the particular skill set?

      I’m with you for the most part. Amare’s overall game has been MIA for so long I’m wondering if it still exists. I’ve accepted that his 7th grader apptitude for team D is unmodifiable. He’s clearly lacks that gene.

      I like him. I like his attitude. I repect his work ethic and the responsibility he usually takes for not performing. I’m rooting for him. I don’t hold the fact that he’s overpaid against him. And, to me, his poor D and mediocre boards would be worth the trade-off if is once-dominant O resurfaced.

      But at this point I’d rather be whacked across the face with a freakin’ sturgeon than watch him square up from 12′ and assume that “Watch while I blow by this guy with my lightning-quick first step” posture. Pause a game at that moment; how many people would bet against him turning it over?

      Still, I am holding out hope for a return to form on offense, because once upon a time…

    71. I think Shump has played great for a rookie. His D is insane (seriously, it’s at least as good as Lin’s offensive abilities) and I think his finishing will improve. I don’t think that will be a long term problem at all. Also, his outside shot looks fundamentally sound. But he is a 2, so he needs to shoot well. I just love the guy and I think he will become a really nice rotation player. His D is a lock, where he does not lose concentration. Kudos to JJ who has also played great. Fields will be in the league a long time and might be one of those guys who, on a great team, would be a real luxury. Not counting his lack of confidence where he doesn’t shoot the open shot, he really is smart w/o the ball. Normally (forget about last night’s foul) his head is in the game. Hey, we got some new troops too. Let’s see what happens.

    72. I agree. Apart from Lin, the best news to me is that the D really is back in NY. Shump’s man D is great. The team is the bigger issue though, and I’m pinning most of the turn around there on Chandler. I can’t remember a player raising a whole team’s defense the way he has. There’s probably plenty of examples I don’t know about but for me, he’s the best thing to happen to the Knicks in a long long time. If they follow his lead and the team D keeps improving, I think they could get deep.

    73. Not making an excuse for Lin 9 turnovers is of course way north of acceptable, but he only had 1 in the second half, and it was a 4 pt game at halftime, so obviously it wasn’t those turnovers that were the most responsible for the loss. I know it contributed, but poor free throw shooting, 3pt shooting, poor defense in the late stages. Was a team loss basically.

      And with Lin’s turnovers I want to ask this as a question bc i’m not sure if I’m biased on this, but when some of these other players like Melo come in and start playing and everyone gets used to Lin, won’t that cause his turnovers to come down? I know he has a lot of turnovers when he’s passing out of a jump, but he seems to also be getting a lot of turnovers where people are just not catching the ball, or mishandling the pass. Honestly I don’t think some of those turnovers should be charged to Lin, but I don’t think that Smith and Melo are going to have those kind of turnovers, and Amar’e I think just needs time to get used to him like he did with Felton. Is that accurate do you think? Or is that just wishful thinking?

    74. I’m a poor judge of accurate vs. wishful thinking, but my 2 cents are that his TO% will stay high even as he improves, gets better teammates and gets better at knowing their tendencies bc: high dribble penetration + weak left hand = high TO%. But he’s got a lot else going on and I don’t think that will keep him from being a very good offensive pg.

    75. Re Lin’s turnovers: Lin dribbles himself into problem situations, often into traffic, and makes some bad passes. He’s going to learn and get better at minimizing his TO’s, but let’s call it what it is and not give him a blanket excuse for everything.

    76. Yeah I mean with the amount of possession time he spends controlling the ball (which he does well for the most part), he’s always going to have a high amount of turnovers, but I think he could get that down to say 4-6 per game and could easily be a 2:1 guy most of the time. To be honest it’s been so long since we had a really good pg that with the type of game he plays I’m not sure what kind of ratio we would want him to have with a reasonable expectation. Would 2:1 be good enough? Or do we need him to be a 2.5:1 guy? This is an area where I’d like to educate myself a little bit. Because I know that I tend to be an optimist more than a realist so I’m trying to temper myself a little bit. Although I’ll still always be optimistic. All I know is that as well as he has played to this point he could have had 10-15 more assists if other players were catching the ball cleaner, and probably at least 10 less turnovers as well. I’m just not sure what is reasonable to say as far as how many of his turnovers are due to the limits of him as a player vs how many of these turnovers can be attributed to his lack of experience/fatigue/lack of familiarity with his teammates. Although you do bring up a good point where as even if some of these turnovers are limited by gaining experience, some newer turnovers may come up when teams scheme better against his weaknesses.

      I think the optimist in me wants to say that he can become an elite pg, but the realist in me thinks maybe his ceiling is being a slightly better than average pg. So I was interested in seeing what some of the harsher minds here thought based off of this small sample so far.

    77. What will D’A do about shooting discipline?
      If he lets nature take its course, Anthony, BD, Smith, and Amare were all born trigger-happy and will gladly ask questions later. IMO the potential on paper for offensive efficiency is really high as is the potential for a nightly festival of ill-advised heaves and pointless acrobatics isn’t imposed and supported. Will BD, Lin, Melo, and Smith consistently keep everyone involved and will D’A be able to keep their motivation and effectiveness high while still hammering people who consistently fail to make the extra pass?

    78. hoolahoop:
      Re Lin’s turnovers: Lin dribbles himself into problem situations, often into traffic, and makes some bad passes. He’s going to learn and get better at minimizing his TO’s, but let’s call it what it is and not give him a blanket excuse for everything.

      Yeah, that is what I’m trying to do, I honestly am not sure what expectations are reasonable with him though.

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