Knicks Morning News (Friday, Feb 03 2012)

  • [New York Times] Bulls 105, Knicks 102: Stoudemire Scores 34, but Knicks Fall to Rose and Bulls (Fri, 03 Feb 2012 07:48:04 GMT)

    The Knicks lost for the 10th time in 12 games, despite a season-high 34 points from Amar’e Stoudemire, a rejuvenated offense and solid performances throughout the starting lineup.

  • [New York Times] Celtics Back on Track After Sluggish Start (Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:14:36 GMT)

    After a stretch marked by injuries and inconsistency, Boston has found its groove. The Celtics have won six of seven entering Friday’s game with the Knicks.

  • [New York Times] Los Angeles Winds Up With 4 All-Star Starters (Fri, 03 Feb 2012 07:18:25 GMT)

    The first-time starters Blake Griffin of the Clippers and Andrew Bynum of the Lakers were voted to the N.B.A. All-Star Game, joining the Lakers’ Kobe Bryant and the Clippers’ Chris Paul.

  • [New York Times] Late-Blooming Rose Lights Up The Garden (Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:58:42 GMT)

    Derrick Rose took over scoring duties late in the game to ensure the surging Chicago Bulls held off the New York Knicks to record a 105-102 victory at Madison Square Garden on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] Nuggets Beat Clippers 112-91 Behind Gallinari’s 21 (Fri, 03 Feb 2012 06:30:40 GMT)

    Danilo Gallinari scored 21 points, including all five of his 3-pointers, and the Denver Nuggets beat the Clippers 112-91 Thursday night, ending Los Angeles’ season-high four-game winning streak that included a victory over the Nuggets last weekend.

  • [New York Times] Curry, Ellis Lead Warriors Past Jazz 119-101 (Fri, 03 Feb 2012 06:09:28 GMT)

    Stephen Curry scored 29 points and had a season-high 12 assists, Monta Ellis added 33 points and the Golden State Warriors beat the Utah Jazz 119-101 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Thornton Scores 20, Kings Beat Blazers 95-92 (Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:48:30 GMT)

    Marcus Thornton scored 20 points and John Salmons had a season-high 19 for the Sacramento Kings, who snapped a five-game losing streak by beating the Portland Trail Blazers 95-92 Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Duncan, Parker Lead Spurs Past Hornets 93-81 (Fri, 03 Feb 2012 04:30:34 GMT)

    Tim Duncan scored 19 points, Tony Parker had 18 and the San Antonio Spurs won their third in a row, beating the New Orleans Hornets 93-81 Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Rose Scores 32 Points, Bulls Beat Knicks 105-102 (Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:24:39 GMT)

    Derrick Rose and Carmelo Anthony are both All-Star starters. Only Rose is the reigning MVP, and he was the one who owned Madison Square Garden on Thursday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks’ Melo named to All-Star team (Fri, 03 Feb 2012 06:01:06 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony hasn’t improved the Knicks’ winning percentage since his arrival, but the veteran forward has increased his popularity.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Bull-ied at MSG (Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:53:04 GMT)

    The Knicks point guard issued were exposed again as Rose scored 15 of his 32 points in the fourth quarter as Mike D’Antoni began a stretch of three games in three nights with a 105-102 loss.

  • [New York Daily News] Anthony’s Star selection not the brightest (Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:27:46 GMT)

    Before the Knicks took the court against Chicago at Madison Square Garden on Thursday night, the results of the NBA All-Star balloting were announced. Knicks forward Carmelo Anthony and Bulls guard Derrick Rose were selected starters for the Eastern Conference team.

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    45 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Feb 03 2012)”

    1. on a day when all our starters play decent games (and let’s all please give Fields a proper standing ovation for his play in the last 10 games or so, after standing on the court like a ghost-child who lost his mom) we still lost last nite. i cannot care less that it was a fun game to watch. look at the phillies – aka no-superstarts-team-not-called-knuggets- they blow out almost all of their opponents. you think it would not be fun to watch such a team?

      – our bench shot 2/13, when the bulls bench had a decent 9/19.
      – MTWMD (Melo did what Melo does) and went for 26 shots to get into some rhythm just to make 10 of them.

      how do we get out of this hole?
      – find a coach to tame Melo?
      – find somebody to score from the bench (my beloved Nate did a 0/4 yesterday for a lot of 0 filled box score, but hey, he is averaging 10.1 that is better than Fields with a 4.8 assists per game. he wanted to come, why? why?)
      – change your allegiance ? Nets will play like two-three blocks from me next year, maybe DH is coming? OK that was a stupid joke.

    2. Hahahaha Fanhood is amazing. In 7 games we will clearly beat the bulls, some of those shots from the bench guys were ridiculous. Cj Watson!! Oh well.

    3. PaulStreetBoy:

      – our bench shot 2/13, when the bulls bench had a decent 9/19.
      – MTWMD (Melo did what Melo does) and went for 26 shots to get into some rhythm just to make 10 of them.

      how do we get out of this hole?
      – find a coach to tame Melo?

      Oh gawd.

      You know, criticize Melo for shooting poorly. I have no issue with that at all. But understand that he was making the proper decision pretty much all game long.

      If you want Landry Fields to get more touches and take more shots, have him run high a pnr at the top to initiate the offense. He’s not going to be nearly as effective, but at least Melo won’t be taking as many shots.

      Amar’e had 27 shots last night.

      Of the guys on the floor with Melo: Iman Shumpert, Toney Douglas, Tyson Chandler, Jeffries. Who should he be going out of his way to facilitate?

      Please give an example of how he should have done this, and what good shots he should have set up for these guys.

      Understand that he was playing the Bulls defense. Understand that they were clogging the lane. Understand that he was passing to these players when they were open, and they were not shooting the ball because they can’t, missing open shots because they can’t, or not penetrating to create others shots because, again, they can’t penetrate.

      Many of Melo shots came of the pick and roll where he was open. He missed too many. Two of his shots were desperation heaves. One was off his own miss. And at least 2 or of his drives would not have normally been counted as shots, rather free throws, as the Knicks and Melo (and Amar’e) got a bad whistle last night.

      Outside of the inability to get his looks to go down, Melo played as well if not better than he did in Detroit — at least from a decision perspective.

      He had turnover issues in the second quarter I suppose, but once again supporting players, by missing…

    4. ruruland: Oh gawd.

      Of the guys on the floor with Melo: Iman Shumpert, Toney Douglas, Tyson Chandler, Jeffries. Who should he be going out of his way to facilitate?

      All of them?

    5. I thought the NYK played great last night for about 42 minutes – all except a stretch in the 2nd quarter where it seemed like Toney Douglas turned the ball over 7 times, and then when Melo went all hero-ball with a few minutes left.

      I think it’s tough to blame anyone in particular for the 2nd Q stretch (Except maybe Dolan for trading away all our depth), but I think the hero-ball has to fall on D’Antoni. In the 3rd quarter we scored 32 points on the best D in basketball with any and every guard running PNR with Amare rolling, and Melo playing off of that. Melo will do what Melo does, which is call for the ball at crunch time — it’s his alpha dog mentality which will never change. But it’s the coach’s job to make sure that the proper plays and sets are run. Melo Hero-Ball will work against some teams, but not against a team like the Bulls, who have what seems like 7 shot blockers on the floor at all times.

      Anyway – hopefully we take some of the feel-good from playing the Bulls close into tonight and take care of the Celts -especially if Rondo is not playing.

      Twitter is saying that Kenyon Martin is going to the Clips. That’s ok – I think we need guard help more anyway. How do people here feel about JR Smith? He’s sort of a chucker but we need someone to take the shots that TD is taking now, and he’s by far the best player that we could get for just $ right now. And if he signs elsewhere (and Baron isn’t coming back), how do people *gulp* feel about Arenas? Or any other names for Plan B/C/D if Baron is not healthy?

    6. I think it’s huge that Amare and Fields have their mojo back (not to go all THCJ on you guys, but I’ve been saying all along that people were burying STAT way too soon) What worries me about this team is that until we get Baron playing (someday) the guys coming off the bench are absolutely killing us. TD, Walker, Jeffries – not only do they not hold the fort, they put us in holes and make the opposing team’s bench look like All Stars. And having the starters play more minutes is not the answer in a compressed season.

    7. Twitter is saying that Kenyon Martin is going to the Clips. That’s ok – I think we need guard help more anyway. How do people here feel about JR Smith? He’s sort of a chucker but we need someone to take the shots that TD is taking now, and he’s by far the best player that we could get for just $ right now. And if he signs elsewhere (and Baron isn’t coming back), how do people *gulp* feel about Arenas? Or any other names for Plan B/C/D if Baron is not healthy?

      Yeah, I don’t see how Martin could turn down the Clippers. They’re real contenders, they’re in Los Angeles and he’d play big minutes for them.

      As for JR Smith, ever since he tweeted about going to Broadway, I thought it was pretty much a given that he was going to be a Knick. I was just hoping that they’d somehow swing both guys. Ah well. Smith is a great shooter (especially when he concentrates on taking threes) and while he is not a high basketball IQ guy, if all you’re doing is asking him to shoot a lot, he sure as heck is an improvement over pretty much any other Knick back-up. If they do get Smith, I wonder if we’ll see more of Melo at the 4 or will Smith’s minutes come solely as a 2?

    8. Signing a washed-up Gilbert Arenas to paper over the roster holes created by a team-gutting trade and the preceding (and subsequent) awarding of max contracts to a trio of one-dimensional stars is literally the most New York Knicks-y scenario I could ever envision.

    9. I’m not sold on Smith being a low basketball IQ guy. He doesn’t turn the ball over much, generates quite a few assists for his position and takes the bulk of his shots at the rim or from behind the arc instead of settling for inefficient midrange shots.

    10. Signing a washed-up Gilbert Arenas to paper over the roster holes created by a team-gutting trade and the preceding (and subsequent) awarding of max contracts to a trio of one-dimensional stars is literally the most New York Knicks-y scenario I could ever envision.

      I hate the thought of Gilbert Arenas, as well, but I probably would prefer him to Bibby.

    11. Brian Cronin: I hate the thought of Gilbert Arenas, as well, but I probably would prefer him to Bibby.

      Eh. Last season it looked like Gilbert also had nothing in the tank, and Bibby, at least, doesn’t rock the boat.

    12. flossy:
      Signing a washed-up Gilbert Arenas to paper over the roster holes created by a team-gutting trade and the preceding (and subsequent) awarding of max contracts to a trio of one-dimensional stars is literally the most New York Knicks-y scenario I could ever envision.

      Sigh. In 1995 if you said our future would be the most New York Knicks-y scenario I’d have been like “So we’ll have an All-NBA caliber big anchoring one of the best defenses in history, with a deep supporting crew of flawed but lovable role players and an extremely intelligent, adaptable coach who has shown the ability to win with a variety of different styles? AWESOME!”

    13. Eh. Last season it looked like Gilbert also had nothing in the tank, and Bibby, at least, doesn’t rock the boat.

      I guess I’d add in the qualifier that he has to at least look like an NBA player in his workouts.

    14. Brian Cronin: Yeah, I don’t see how Martin could turn down the Clippers. They’re real contenders, they’re in Los Angeles and he’d play big minutes for them.

      As for JR Smith, ever since he tweeted about going to Broadway, I thought it was pretty much a given that he was going to be a Knick. I was just hoping that they’d somehow swing both guys. Ah well. Smith is a great shooter (especially when he concentrates on taking threes) and while he is not a high basketball IQ guy, if all you’re doing is asking him to shoot a lot, he sure as heck is an improvement over pretty much any other Knick back-up. If they do get Smith, I wonder if we’ll see more of Melo at the 4 or will Smith’s minutes come solely as a 2?

      I don’t think people really have an understanding of Smith’s game around here.

    15. First, people need to understand that Smith is not just a shooter/chucker.

      Karl and his old staff, which used to include the great player development coach Tim Grugurich, started working on Smith’s playmaking game in ’08.

      While the experiment running Smith as a point guard in ’09 wasn’t all that succesfull, and put a hurt on his shooting efficiency, Smith’s passing, particularly in the pick and roll game, is highly overlooked.

      In two of the last 3 years Smith has had an assist rate above 15%, which ranked him higher than Kobe Bryant and Jason Terry.

      He’s been in the top 15 in PER at the SG position the last four years despite his coach openly begrudging him, yanking his minutes and his role, and generally disliking him.

      He had a TS% in ’07 of .603, .585 in ’06, .576 in ’08 and .550 last year.

      Smith is a a top-30, all-star caliber talent who has still yet been given the opportunity to fully blossom. He has the best range in basketball, and does things on the court you expect to see from Lebron, Kobe and Wade.

      He’s typically been in the top 3 on his teams in +/-, always a catalyst. Plays with great energy on defense, making up for being out of position at times. Bad shot selection at times? Sure. But I have always been of the belief that if the coach trusted him as a starter, making him a consistently featured part of the offense, you would see the full diversity of his game, which includes a very good dribble-drive game, an ability to post-up smaller guards, excellent pick and roll skills, and a nice mid-range game which includes a running floater.

      I can easily see him as a 18-20+PER guy here, given 30-35 mpg. I have no doubt that whoever signs him, so long as there is a coaching fit (as D’Antoni would be), is going to get a HUGE steal.

      This should give you a good feel of what SMith is capable of. This is game 4 of the WCF in ’08 against the Lakers, where Smith was undeniably the best player on the floor for long…

    16. J.R Smith would be a perfect signing, but will he settle for our 2.5 exception?

      aren’t there teams with cap space who could offer him more?

      he brings a lot of what we’ve been lacking: a good 3 pt shooter, a guy who can create shots and even handle the ball a little bit.

      he might be a bit of a chucker, but if he’s taking his shots at the expense of TD / Shumpert / Walker it’s more than worth it.

    17. Bruno Almeida:
      J.R Smith would be a perfect signing, but will he settle for our 2.5 exception?

      Would the $2.5 mil exception need to be prorated, or can we pay him the full $2.5 mil just for two months worth of work?

    18. JR Smith. Is his reputation still tainted by NO where he seemed to get the bum rush and the car accident where someone was killed. On paper he looks ideal Usage 24.0 TS% .547 3pt .371 (c/b better but its OK) ast % 14.1 TO% 11.5 and the numbers hold up in the playoffs.

    19. Nick C.:
      JR Smith. Is his reputation still tainted by NO where he seemed to get the bum rush and the car accident where someone was killed. On paper he looks ideal Usage 24.0 TS% .547 3pt .371 (c/b better but its OK) ast % 14.1 TO% 11.5 and the numbers hold up in the playoffs.

      reputation tainted by more than that. He has had real maturity issues, perhaps some bi-polar stuff, who really knows for certain. And he definitely deserves blame for the coaching issues he’s had.
      He’s gotten a lot better however,and I think it’s hard to quantify how much improved that would be a with a clean slate (not being under GK).

      Not a big fan of posting his career numbers to indicate or predict what he’s capable of doing. I think in this kind of offense he can easily get back to .575-600 TS% and 40 % 3. More importantly, however, he loves to run. I think he picks up the energy of guys like Shumpert and Fields, and would be devestating in a full court game alongside them and perhaps Davis.

    20. I agree that JR Smith would be pretty perfect for this team. Although he can be as frustrating as any guy in the league, this team could use his particular skill set. However why does he want to come here? Maybe he loves NY, and I sure hope so, but barring that: They can’t offer him much money, and they can’t offer him a good team. Unless the Knicks start to show some serious momentum it seems like it makes a lot more sense for him to join a strong team where he can get more rounds in the playoffs to showcase himself. What’s the advantage of coming here?

    21. TDM: For what its worth, his father seems to think that will not be enough.

      http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/02/01/j-r-smith-drops-60-in-a-chinese-playoff-game/

      yeah, it’s probably prorated because 2.5 million for 4 months is not that terrible.

      and I guess he might be looking to join a good team where he can showcase himself for one season, and then get a bigger contract next year.

      but I still don’t think it’s likely… maybe Patty Mills, could he be a better backup than TD? he shoots pretty well from 3 I remember.

    22. He’s from East Orange or one of the Oranges in NJ which is maybe 20 -30 minutes from the tunnels. That + its New York could be part of the allure.

    23. What about Aaron Brooks? Unfortunately, his team will make the playoffs in the CBA, which means he can’t come back until March. However, he’s averaged 21 ppg and 5 assists over 25 games (although marbury is averaging 25 pts, 6 boards and 7 assists).

    24. ruruland: Oh gawd.

      You know,criticize Melo for shooting poorly. I have no issue with that at all. But understand that he was making the proper decision pretty much all game long.

      If you want Landry Fields to get more touches and take more shots, have him run high a pnr at the top to initiate the offense. He’s not going to be nearly as effective, but at least Melo won’t be taking as many shots.

      i don’t expect Landry to be the facilitator in the offense. he showed in the earlier stretch this season that he is not that guy. but if you can set him up, he will do good.

      at this stage, i don’t have anything else to ask from Melo but to set his teammates up, especially when he is not shooting the lights out like he did in the 3rd quarter. if this team had a half decent guard, we would not need his playmaking, but given the state of affairs on the floor and his not making his shots for longer period, he can choose to facilitate. i am upset with his 3 assists and 4 turnovers on a night like this one. you can get away with shooting poorly, more TOs then assists when the rest of the team is winning the game for you, but not this one.

      we are paying him a lot of money, of course i will expect him to play like superstar for i don’t know say 10 game or something, then he deserves a night off. otherwise he does not deserve that kind of money. but then, cheers to Mr.Dolan!!

    25. PaulStreetBoy: i don’t expect Landry to be the facilitator in the offense. he showed in the earlier stretch this season that he is not that guy. but if you can set him up, he will do good.

      at this stage, i don’t have anything else to ask from Melo but to set his teammates up, especially when he is not shooting the lights out like he did in the 3rd quarter. if this team had a half decent guard, we would not need his playmaking, but given the state of affairs on the floor and his not making his shots for longer period, he can choose to facilitate. i am upset with his 3 assists and 4 turnovers on a night like this one. you can get away with shooting poorly, more TOs then assists when the rest of the team is winning the game for you, but not this one.

      we are paying him a lot of money, of course i will expect him to play like superstar for i don’t know say 10 game or something, then he deserves a night off. otherwise he does not deserve that kind of money. but then, cheers to Mr.Dolan!!

      Much of Melo’s facilitating last night did not show in box score. He helped get Fields and Amar’e going in the first quarter. Outside of Fields and Amar’e no one was making shots. Guys need to make shots to credit the passer with assists.

      On a team with decent shooters it’s another 6 or 7 assist night for Melo. I have no doubt that by simply adding a decent spot up shooter like Baron Davis and perhaps junior, the percentage of passes that become assists will be much higher.

      Melo may not have the ball in his hands as much, however.

    26. ruruland: What shots should he be getting them that they aren’t already getting?

      I don’t know why you are having such a hard time understanding the benefit of moving the ball, and I don’t understand why you don’t see a middle ground between “Melo takes all the shots” and “Melo does nothing but set up his teammates”.

      If Melo has the ball on the elbow and he holds it for 5 seconds before making his move, he is making his move against a defense that is focused on him. Everyone is looking at him, everyone is waiting for him to make his move and everyone knows that he is probably going to shoot.

      If Melo passes the ball out to Douglas who then swings it to Shumpert, the defense has to shift with those passes and they have to watch the ball. If Shumpert swings it back to Douglas who then passes to Melo again, Melo gets to attack a defense that is not set and waiting for him, and he probably gets a better shot out of it.

      Nobody is asking Melo to be Steve Nash here, people just want him to keep the ball moving and run the pick and roll to get everything started.

    27. I think Melo played well last night, with some moments of hero ball that were not helpful.
      His shooting is not as good as it should be, and some of his shots are tougher than they need to be. If he allows the ball to come to him when he is slashing and moving, he could just destroy teams. But if he goes ISO, teams are bringing 3 or 4 defenders and he’s not yet matured to the point where he routinely passes out of trouble like that.
      But when he does, Melo could become the most dominant players in the game. Make no mistake: if he truly buys the system, moves the ball and lets it find him in open places, he will be unstoppable.
      The thing is he doesn’t have to take on double and triple teams anymore. His efficiency would improve, rebounding and assists would improve and he would be Lebron-like.

      But for this team to turn a corner we need a guard or two. Smith and Davis would change things instantly.
      Depending on TD at this point is a huge mistake. I firmly believe that guy’s career would be greatly aided by a scene change. I think NYC and this team is crushing his confidence…and he’s killing me.

    28. @33 – TD has just been terrible. He needs either the D-League or to sit for a while. Not that I think Jeremy Lin is that much better, but at least offensively he CAN’T be worse.

      I’m a little nervous about all the quiet around BD’s return. Like someone else mentioned, I’m feeling a little azubuike-ish here.

    29. TD needs to go to the D-League, the way he’s playing right now is just embarassing… if they don’t want to send him down because of confidence issues, how confident can he be shooting 20% every game? or getting blown by on D by every single PG he faces?

      wait until Baron can play then demote him.

    30. xduckshoex:
      If Melo passes the ball out to Douglas who then swings it to Shumpert, the defense has to shift with those passes and they have to watch the ball.If Shumpert swings it back to Douglas who then passes to Melo again, Melo gets to attack a defense that is not set and waiting for him, and he probably gets a better shot out of it.

      He’s doing that for the most part. The ball movement, for long stretches last night, was fantastic. But those stretches occured when there was penetration when the ball was swung to the weakside. Fields was doing that.

      When Melo is in the game with Douglas, Shumpert, Jeffries and Chandler and a passive Fields(which he hasn’t been recently), how many times do we just see hot potato on the perimeter?

      That scenario you just alluded has occured countless times and it’s mostly prove fruitless. Melo moves the ball with these terrible offensive players (Shumpert, Douglas, Jeffries) and nothing happens.

      Yes, there are times when Melo holds the ball and reads the defense or holds the ball and waits for a screen. (He waits for a ball screen so he can re-initiate the offense) I ask that you take the time to notice in what situations that occurs.

      I don’t care how many times you pass the ball, if you aren’t making shots, if the defense doesn’t respect your ability to make shots, and you can’t penetrate with the ball (even after it’s swung) it’s not going to matter.

      When Melo holds the ball on the elbow and the defense is overloading or focusing, that’s the time when guys need to cut to the basket. Eduardo Najera made a living offf of layups created by straight-lining to the basket on overloads. Nene, Kenyon Martin, these guys took advantage of the attention Melo would get on the elbow.

      Secondly, if the first cutter isn’t there, that’s when the ball gets swung to the weakside corner. Melo has made…

    31. Denver had fantastic offenses with Melo playing a lot of “isolation”

      Right now, when offensively inept guys are on the floor, it’s okay to go back to that.

      You can see Melo is much improved in the reads and cuts in this offense, and he’s making them in a timely manner. Right now the personnel just isn’t there or the support pieces aren’t there to have a fluid offense throughout the game. When those pieces arrive, I think you’ll see the offense get back in the top-5 range ( they were top 5 with Melo last year). You can already see that when the starters are in, Melo isolations are a last resort, 10-seconds or less in the shot-clock option.

      Clearly there’s been significant improvement within the system, which makes sense for a variety of reasons. None more obvious than the amount of repetitions. The film sessions, the talks. It just takes time to absorb the system, get comfortable with teammates and change habits.

      I now Knicks fans generally don’t care or have the patience for those things, but that’s the reality.

      I can tell you what’s going on in the game, but anyone can observe it, too. I can’t change the way you wish to misperceive it, however.

    32. “Denver had fantastic offenses with Melo playing a lot of “isolation”

      They did. And they are ranked #1 in the league without him too.

      Your argument basically boils down to, surround Melo with as talented a supporting cast as he had last year and everything will be fine.

      ORTG
      Nene 123
      Afflalo 123
      Billups 120
      Lawson 118
      Smith 109
      Carmelo 107

      Looking at those numbers, don’t you ask yourself, maybe it wasn’t Melo who made them good in the first place?

    33. Owen:
      “Denver had fantastic offenses with Melo playing a lot of “isolation”

      They did. And they are ranked #1 in the league without him too.

      Your argument basically boils down to, surround Melo with as talented a supporting cast as he had last year and everything will be fine.

      ORTG
      Nene 123
      Afflalo123
      Billups 120
      Lawson118
      Smith109
      Carmelo 107

      Looking at those numbers, don’t you ask yourself, maybe it wasn’t Melo who made them good in the first place?

      You are suggesting that, inversely, it was Nene, AA, Billups, Lawson and Smith who made Carmelo better because they had superior offensive ratings last year?

      Shouldn’t that mean that Tyson Chandler, who is posting a Lebron/MJ- like 143 OTRG be making Melo, Amar’e and say, Fields much better.

      I mean, by this logic using OTRG, no one the Knicks has played with a supernatural offensive force like Chandler. Even the great Steve Nash cowers to Chandler’s offensive prowess (Nash’s highest OTRG is 124) Lebron and Wade don’t even have the offensive impact as Chandler.

      Ok, well if that’s not the case, let me ask you this:

      Why has Nene’s OTRG gone from 120,124,123 three straight years with Melo to 102 this year?

      Why has Aflallo’s OTRG gone from 113 two years ago and 124 last year (much higher with Melo than post-Melo) to 105 this year?

      Why has Ty Lawson’s OTRG gone from 118 with Melo to 112 w/out him ( he shared much fewer minutes with Melo than AA,Nene or Chauncey.)

      Why has Chauncey Billups’ OTRG gone from 120,120,118 with Melo to 109 with the Clippers, where he should be much better suited playing off guard with Paul?

      Do you find it odd that all four of the players who shared significant minutes with Melo have all suffered significant drops in efficiency and OTRG?

    34. I agree that JR Smith would be pretty perfect for this team. Although he can be as frustrating as any guy in the league, this team could use his particular skill set. However why does he want to come here? Maybe he loves NY, and I sure hope so, but barring that: They can’t offer him much money, and they can’t offer him a good team. Unless the Knicks start to show some serious momentum it seems like it makes a lot more sense for him to join a strong team where he can get more rounds in the playoffs to showcase himself. What’s the advantage of coming here?

      I dunno, but he sure seemed to be hinting he was coming here by Tweeting about Broadway recently.

    35. Do you find it odd that the best offense in the league this year, Denver’s, wouldn’t have been in the top ten last year?

    36. Frank O.:
      I think Melo played well last night, with some moments of hero ball that were not helpful.
      His shooting is not as good as it should be, and some of his shots are tougher than they need to be. If he allows the ball to come to him when he is slashing and moving, he could just destroy teams. But if he goes ISO, teams are bringing 3 or 4 defenders and he’s not yet matured to the point where he routinely passes out of trouble like that.
      But when he does, Melo could become the most dominant players in the game. Make no mistake: if he truly buys the system, moves the ball and lets it find him in open places, he will be unstoppable.
      The thing is he doesn’t have to take on double and triple teams anymore. His efficiency would improve, rebounding and assists would improve and he would be Lebron-like.

      But for this team to turn a corner we need a guard or two. Smith and Davis would change things instantly.
      Depending on TD at this point is a huge mistake. I firmly believe that guy’s career would be greatly aided by a scene change. I think NYC and this team is crushing his confidence…and he’s killing me.

      You’re right. so why hasn’t Dantoni demanded this from him?

    37. ruruland: He’s doing that for the most part. The ball movement, for long stretches last night, was fantastic. But those stretches occured when there was penetration when the ball was swung to the weakside. Fields was doing that.

      When Melo is in the game with Douglas, Shumpert, Jeffries and Chandler and a passive Fields(which he hasn’t been recently), how many times do we just see hot potato on the perimeter?

      That scenario you just alluded has occured countless times and it’s mostly prove fruitless. Melo moves the ball with these terrible offensive players (Shumpert, Douglas, Jeffries) and nothing happens.

      Yes, there are times when Melo holds the ball and reads the defense or holds the ball and waits for a screen. (He waits for a ball screen so he can re-initiate the offense) I ask that you take the time to notice in what situations that occurs.

      I don’t care how many times you pass the ball, if you aren’t making shots, if the defense doesn’t respect your ability to make shots, and you can’tpenetrate with the ball (even after it’s swung) it’s not going to matter.

      When Melo holds the ball on the elbow and the defense is overloading or focusing, that’s the time when guys need to cut to the basket. Eduardo Najera made a living offf of layups created by straight-lining to the basket on overloads. Nene, Kenyon Martin, these guys took advantage of the attention Melo would get on the elbow.

      Secondly, if the first cutter isn’t there, that’s when the ball gets swung to the weakside corner. Melo has made…

      They don’t cut because Melo usually looks off the cutters and waits for them to clear out to make his one-on-three move to the basket.

    38. no matter what that was a bad loss. u can hype it all u want. mda says he needs to have more faith in them. what? faith? how about reprimands instead. i mean these r not competitors. or r they?

    39. ruruland: You are suggesting that, inversely, it was Nene, AA, Billups, Lawson and Smith who made Carmelo better because they had superior offensive ratings last year?

      I think he’s saying that those guys made Denver good. Not simply the presence of the great Carmelo Anthony.

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