Knicks Morning News (Friday, Dec 16 2011)

  1. [New York Daily News] Knicks turn to ‘Plan B.D.’ (Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:52:24 GMT)

    The Knicks’ bench would have looked a lot better with Jamal Crawford and Shawne Williams sitting on it. Without them? Well, let’s just say interim GM Glen Grunwald has a little work ahead of him.

  2. [New York Daily News] Carmelo keeps quiet on Paul front (Fri, 16 Dec 2011 03:17:44 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony didn’t call David Stern a bully like Deron Williams, but he said that the past week must have been difficult for Chris Paul.

  3. [New York Post] Amar’e: Baron’s back is ‘not our concern’ (Fri, 16 Dec 2011 04:27:40 -0500)

    Amar’e Stoudemire said he can’t worry about whether the Knicks add point guard Baron Davis to the roster with hopes he heals and provides a February spark.
    Davis was an amnesty cut Wednesday night and if under-the-cap teams don’t bid on him because of his disk injury…

  4. [New York Post] Donnie’s on board with Chandler deal (Fri, 16 Dec 2011 02:43:37 -0500)

    If there was a roar of joy heard ’round Indianapolis last weekend, it must have come from Donnie Walsh’s home.
    Walsh, the former Knicks president and now a club consultant, was thrilled to see his successor Glen Grunwald pull off the Tyson Chandler acquisition. Walsh believes the clever heist…

  5. [New York Times] Former N.B.A. Employee Says Sex Harassment Concerns Were Ignored (Fri, 16 Dec 2011 06:47:19 GMT)

    Warren Glover, who was fired as a security director in July, claims that he repeatedly warned his superiors in the N.B.A.’s security department that women in the office were being sexually harassed.

  6. [New York Times] Knicks Are Short on Outside Shooters (Fri, 16 Dec 2011 06:48:04 GMT)

    The Knicks remain in need of an outside shooter to alleviate the defensive attention that Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire can expect to draw.

  7. [New York Times] Chris Paul Says He Believes in the Clippers (Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:00:20 GMT)

    Chris Paul, the All-Star point guard acquired Wednesday by the Los Angeles Clippers in a deal with the New Orleans Hornets, said he was “excited about what the future holds.”

  8. [New York Times] Heat Host Scrimmage for Season-Ticket Holders (Fri, 16 Dec 2011 02:30:36 GMT)

    LeBron James was the first one on the floor, swishing the first shot he took. Dwyane Wade arrived with a candy cane behind his right ear. Chris Bosh gestured to the fans with his usual intensity.

  9. [New York Times] Column: The Commissioner Strikes Back-Sort Of (Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:49:09 GMT)
  10. [New York Times] Nets Sign Shawne Williams, Waive Travis Outlaw (Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:39:39 GMT)

    The Nets signed free-agent forward Shawne Williams away from the rival Knicks on Thursday.

  11. [New York Times] Off the Dribble: The Day Tyson Chandler Took Over Twitter (Fri, 16 Dec 2011 04:00:50 GMT)

    A Knicks fan found it hard to resist the nonstop updates about a sought-after free agent.

  12. [New York Times] Off the Dribble: How Chris Paul Will Make DeAndre Jordan Better (Fri, 16 Dec 2011 03:54:46 GMT)

    With Paul, Griffin and Jordan, the Clippers have their own Big Three.

  13. [New York Times] Leading Off: Paul Fiasco Over, N.B.A. Silliness Moves to Orlando (Fri, 16 Dec 2011 03:44:25 GMT)

    The N.B.A. finally deals Chris Paul to the Clippers to end the howling, which seems certain to move next to Orlando, even though the Magic say they have taken Dwight Howard off the block.

  14. [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Donald Sterling and Clippers Hope the Joke Is Over (Fri, 16 Dec 2011 06:48:19 GMT)

    With the Los Angeles Clippers’ acquisition of Chris Paul, the N.B.A.’s longtime laughingstock and its owner, Donald Sterling, may finally get some respect.

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67 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Dec 16 2011)”

  1. Good work Bob, congrats. Hey guys..I’m kinda lost. I just happened to swing by espn.com an clicked on NYK’s roster, and..#11 Rautins was back on the roster. Did we bring him back? Or did espen jus make a boo boo?

  2. I know people are concerned that the Knicks’ bench is weak.
    (Their front court is one of the best in the NBA!)
    I know that some of these guys have had injury problems.
    (Amare has been incredibily durable over the past two years, and Tyson had his best health year yet!)
    I know our guards are young and we don’t see a true point in the mix, and the one true guard needs new legs.
    (TDDWTDD is a very dangerous point, who has shown great improvements in the NBA, and likely Melo will run the offense!)
    But I love the mix of young vets with great talent and a young stable of supporting cast members. I think you have to grow from within. Landry Fields, Toney, Shumpert, and Jordan are a solid young nucleus.
    You have defenders like Jeffries, who will play an important role, given the current front line has people who can score and finish so he won’t have to. Walker also is a midling guy who can light it up given the chance.
    Jeffries and Walker won’t be asked to do too much, which is when they get in trouble.
    I confess I haven’t followed every tweet as Robert notes in his Times Off the dribble item, but I can’t wait for the season. Call me crazy, but a relatively young team with a lot of talent is going to fare better in a compressed season.

  3. Awesome job Robert! Just read it and it totally represents how I felt that crazy day. I got zero work done that day.

    @Frank O. –
    Agree with giving TD a chance. Lots of young points have started like he has in his career, and then looked good when finally given a starting role – Kyle Lowry, Aaron Brooks, Darren Collison among many others.

    I know it’s a very small sample size (9 games) but here are Toney’s per-36 #s as a starter last year:

    17.3 points, 7.1 assists, 4.2 rebounds, TS 66%

    I’m not saying that it wouldn’t be nicer to have a more proven PG for this team which is otherwise ready to win NOW, but he might just be ok.

    One more thought – I think we need to give D’Antoni a break on his “inability to adjust”. He’s obviously a middling-poor defensive coach, but this was still a TOP offensive team last year even without a PG that fits within the Nash mold. We complained in the beginning of last year about the PnR wasn’t being run. What happened? Top offensive team. We complained that there was too much iso-ball going on? What happened? Top offensive team. We’re clearly not running his old version of SSOL anymore, and I think he gave up on that because he knows he needs a Nash-like guy to run it. And so he made some tweaks and we’re still a very good offensive team.

  4. Sorry one more addition – we were a great offensive team last year even while being a HORRIBLE defensive rebounding and defensive team in general last year. Why are the Heat such an offensive force? Because they force turnovers/bad shots, get the quick outlet, and are off running with Wade and Lebron, who are unbelievably efficient in the transition game. While we may not have finishers in their class, baskets off of misses in transition (and FTs) are the highest efficiency ways to score. Hopefully we will get more of them this year with a real defensive coordinator and with Chandler guarding the rim.

  5. Methinks the hour is nigh for a happy reunion with the good Earl of Barron to fill out our much depleted bench. Yea, twas only only 2 seasons past when the good Earl impressed many a spectator with his rebounding prowess and mid-range shot.

    Portland just released him, FWIW. Also, apparently the Wizards snagged Mo Evans.

  6. Cool stuff Robert. I’m sure it made your family and friends kvell. I agree strongly with Frank and Frank O. I’m looking forward to seeing our young guys excel. Maybe some of the people who miss Gallo, Chandler and the rest will get the same feeling back as our own guys grow and get better with this excellent team. I am approaching Coach with an open mind this year. Let’s see what he can do with this talented bunch.

  7. Love how on ESPN.com the topic of the day is “are the Clippers title contenders?” Yes, CP3 is great and Griffin is a rising star, but please.

    Now the Knicks, on the other hand, will be lucky to get out of the first round.

  8. do we have any backup forwards on the roster besides Jeffries? god forbid one of the frontline guys misses a game (and Amare said yesterday he doesn’t expect to play all 66) or gets hurt, this needs to be addressed somehow.

  9. d-mar:
    Love how on ESPN.com the topic of the day is “are the Clippers title contenders?” Yes, CP3 is great and Griffin is a rising star, but please.

    I don’t know. They very well could be. If Paul has any effect of Jordan and Griffin’s efficiency, that trio alone could post 45-50 wins. If they can simply put average NBA players around them, they could make it to 55-58. Do I think that’ll happen? No. The Clippers thought Eric Gordon was Russell Westbrook, which he’s not. They’ll probably sign some awful project SF to make up for the dreadfully efficient one they shipped out in the Paul deal. But it’s realistic to say that they could be in the conference semifinals come May.

  10. I’M GONNA BE HANGING OUT WITH A NEW YORK TIMES WRITER TONIGHT BAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

    Seriously though, endless congrats, Robert. Hopefully this somehow leads to Thomas Friedman losing his job.

  11. Great story, Robert…..congrats!!!!

    I wouldn’t mind travis outlaw at all. better than the rest of this crap.

    when you talk TDDWTDD, don’t forget he’s above avg defensively, that’s a big plus.

    Question for me is, who will be our fan favorite off the bench? I think it’s gotta be Shumpert.

  12. jon abbey:
    it’s a 66 game season, not 82. and they already signed Caron Butler for SF.

    I’m not willing to do the math to prorate it. Thanks for the fact-checking though, guy.

  13. How about just signing Reggie Evans to rebound all the misses? Mike D’ doesn’t go deep into his bench anyhow, I think it’s all up to how Bill Walker & Iman play off the bench along with JJ’s intangibles. I still think Bill W. is the Key.

  14. Why not AI? he is perfect for “instant offense” of the pine. He has humbled himself & now knows his limits and what roles suit him. and he is still better than every other FA guard out there. Why not give him a shot?

  15. Madvillain_TT: Why not AI? he is perfect for “instant offense” of the pine. He has humbled himself & now knows his limits and what roles suit him. and he is still better than every other FA guard out there. Why not give him a shot?

    Nothing would be worse then AI blocking Imans growth.

  16. Garson: Nothing would be worse then AI blocking Imans growth.

    do you want to grow? or do you want to win? i doubt Iman is ready to really help us win now. which we are built to do. who says AI would stunt his growth anyhow. I guess not many people have been following him since he left the NBA. the man sounds changed. I saw him in Hampton, VA a short while ago speaking at a BBall camp. he seems genuinely
    changed & humbled.

  17. Madvillain_TT: do you want to grow? or do you want to win? i doubt Iman is ready to really help us win now. which we are built to do. who says AI would stunt his growth anyhow. I guess not many people have been following him since he left the NBA. the man sounds changed. I saw him in Hampton, VA a short while ago speaking at a BBall camp. he seems genuinelychanged & humbled.

    What is “instant offense?” Do you mean “instant shot-taking?” I’m pretty sure most NBA players can put the ball somewhat close to the rim.

  18. Boys. I’m back. I still miss my favorite play, Wilson Chandler. However, now that we have a new Chandler, I’m going to make peace.

    My new player of the year is Iman. he’s a rookie with the right attitude. his beatboxing skills are awesome too.

    I can’t wait for the season. Our boys are ready. I’m even becoming a Melo fan this year. He’s been working out. With less tub and fat, I can get with that.

    xx el-beau

    ps. shout out to jorts. i wear jean shorts too.

  19. The Nets are gonna lowball Kris Humphries and Kirilenko so they can keep cap space for Dwight Howard. Both of those guys are good players, and I hope they both realize the Nets would basically be using them as roster filler until their anointed hero arrives.

  20. Great job Robert. “I am Tyson Chandler” Perfect.

    Madvillain_TT: do you want to grow? or do you want to win? i doubt Iman is ready to really help us win now. which we are built to do.

    We need to continue to develop our young players while we ry to win now. As an over the cap team they are our best shot at adding above average talent to our rotation. Most players we can afford who are fully developed and ready now will be middling talent at best.

    This got mentioned on the other thread but Ike Diogu just got waived, he would be a nice fit. We desperately need a true 4 on our roster other than Amare. His career averages are 17.4 pts 8.9 rebs per 36 with a 57.9 TS%.

  21. Ikechukwu Somtochukwu Diogu. If that isn’t an awesome name I don’t know what is.

    Diogu has been consistently productive in the NBA when he’s been on the court. The only problem with Ike– and admittedly it’s a big problem– is that he has chronic knee issues, most notable a microfracture surgery that cost him the entire 09-10 season. But even with the injuries he’s productive when he’s out there, consistently maintaining a high TS% with relatively high usage.

  22. Diogu has wasted his prodigious talents so far, but yeah, on a vet minimum contract, he’d be worth a shot.

  23. I’m a Diogu fan but who knows if he’s in shape or if our front office has any interest. I could see Humphries possibly willing to take a pay cut to stay in NY, but not as low as we’d be offering.

    Shumpert? As an Atlantan who watched him at Georgia Tech… I am very skeptical. Remember all those articles about how Derrick Favors was stunted because he played with guards who didn’t know how to play? Guess who was his PG?

    To be fair that was a couple of years ago and Shump improved – but he has a low basketball IQ and he can’t shoot. He’s no kind of PG. He is a good athlete who can defend, and plays hard, but #16 was a reach. His lack of shooting and smarts will also rub D’Antoni the wrong way, and I won’t be surprised if he ends up nailed to the bench, rightly or wrongly.

  24. Caleb: I’m a Diogu fan but who knows if he’s in shape or if our front office has any interest. I could see Humphries possibly willing to take a pay cut to stay in NY, but not as low as we’d be offering. Shumpert? As an Atlantan who watched him at Georgia Tech… I am very skeptical. Remember all those articles about how Derrick Favors was stunted because he played with guards who didn’t know how to play? Guess who was his PG? To be fair that was a couple of years ago and Shump improved – but he has a low basketball IQ and he can’t shoot. He’s no kind of PG. He is a good athlete who can defend, and plays hard, but #16 was a reach. His lack of shooting and smarts will also rub D’Antoni the wrong way, and I won’t be surprised if he ends up nailed to the bench, rightly or wrongly.

    Thanks for ruining my weekend!

  25. If anyone else is watching MSG, Shump is looking GREAT in scrimmages.

    And thanks for all your kind words, guys!

  26. Hey guys, the Knicks are getting some major love:

    http://basketball.realgm.com/article/217585/The_Darkhorses_Why_The_Blazers_&_Grizzlies_Will_Be_Legitimate_Contenders

    Very good article by the way. Last sentence:

    ” Last season, I got lucky with Dallas at 16:1 to win the championship. This year, I’d say the two long-shot teams with the best shot at getting a ring are Memphis (25:1) and Portland (35:1). Most intriguingly, if either makes it out of their side of the playoff bracket, they are bigger than any of the NBA’s top four teams — Oklahoma City, Miami, Chicago and New York.”

    We just got mentioned as a “top 4” team in the League. Somebody pinch me.

  27. James Posey apparently cleared amnesty waivers. Yea? Nay? Is he cooked, or does he fill a need in the second unit?

  28. Theoretically Posey would fit. I think his offensive game is almost all spot up 3s. In my imagination he is a 3 that can defend 2s and 4s. But I fear he may be past his expiration date since his main attribute is the ability or alleged ability to play defense.

  29. Same here, Robert!

    @33, that is how you land a stud at #17. You bank on people “doubting” based on possibly premature or distorted judgments. If everyone thought Shump was a sure thing, he wouldn’t have lasted to #17, especially in a weakish draft. The question is: what is his upside? If you have watched him at all since the draft, or listened to any of the pros who have played with him thus far, you would would be less quick to conclude that he has a low b-ball IQ and can’t shoot. Maybe the system or the coach were not a good match for him (I heard lots of negative things about the GT coach.) Think of all the great players who were drafted low…isn’t there always a reason why they fall?

  30. ok fellow knick fans call me crazy but their is one player out there that could help backcourt alot ALLEN IVERSON hear me out first. one from the reports i have read he is looking for around 1.6 mil. so he will not cost alot. Two from some of his hilights overseas and last NBA team he still can score, he has said that he is willing to play backup he could help develop Fields, Shumpert, and TD. lastly AI is a product of Georgetown (know how knicks have soft spot for GT products) he played under Thompson sr. so he knows how to play defence. the last time he played with melo two years ago 2.7 rpg, 6.7 apg, and 2 spg and last year coming off the bench in MEM 13ppg
    Iverson may once again be the ANSWER for NY

  31. hay he is younger then grant Hill and steve nash and no back problems like davis last two times the knicks did that we got great grand mama not grand mama(larry johnson) and wingate (did he ever play in any games for the knicks after getting off that plane from SEA) the knicks spent a week tring to get crawford and waiting on davis. the knicks dont need a starter they have young talent for that they need some one to come off the bench and score and not make mistakes AI

  32. Naismith would probably suit up for a Lime Rickey, a barrel of steel cut oats and some penny candy.

  33. bville,

    You have wandered into the wrong blog. We don’t buy name brand NBA players, we look for high efficiency at a low cost, and the only AI we love is currently playing for Philadelphia.

    But stick around. I think we can change your mind.

  34. Why look so far from home? Tell Clyde to dust off the Puma’s. FWIW Rupp is an overweight malcontent and Naismith is a stiff.

  35. And we would take Grant Hill, Steve Nash and Baron Davis before we ever asked a question that Iverson was the answer to.

  36. Jafa: And we would take Grant Hill, Steve Nash and Baron Davis before we ever asked a question that Iverson was the answer to.

    Dude, most here would take Anita Hill, Ogden Nash and Sammie Davis over Mr. Practice.

  37. Damn – you guys are harsh. Love the site for it’s content & comments (I’m literally on here all damn day), but at the risk of sounding like Chris Crocker, leave bville alone. It’s sections like this where we can speak our mind & give ideas & the what not.

    Remind me to analyze every single statistic out there before I post something…

  38. We’re sitting here, and this is supposed to be Knickerblogger.net, and we’re talking about Iverson. I mean listen, we’re sitting here talking about Iverson, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we’re talking about Iverson. Not the game that we go out there and die for and analyze every game like it’s our last, but we’re talking about Iverson, man. How silly is that?

  39. I’ll admit that I thought bville was the same guy who had been asking about AI a few other times recently, so I thought the responses seemed in line with the continuance of it coming up. But now that I see that that is likely not the case, my apologies, bville! Iverson would be a horrible pick-up, but that doesn’t mean we should give you so much guff over it.

  40. Jafa:
    Hey guys, the Knicks are getting some major love:

    http://basketball.realgm.com/article/217585/The_Darkhorses_Why_The_Blazers_&_Grizzlies_Will_Be_Legitimate_Contenders

    Very good article by the way.Last sentence:

    ” Last season, I got lucky with Dallas at 16:1 to win the championship. This year, I’d say the two long-shot teams with the best shot at getting a ring are Memphis (25:1) and Portland (35:1). Most intriguingly, if either makes it out of their side of the playoff bracket, they are bigger than any of the NBA’s top four teams — Oklahoma City, Miami, Chicago and New York.”

    We just got mentioned as a “top 4? team in the League.Somebody pinch me.

    that might even be true if you just look at starting 5s (probably not, but maybe), but our lack of frontcourt depth, especially in this crowded season, scares the crap out of me.

  41. that might even be true if you just look at starting 5s (probably not, but maybe), but our lack of frontcourt depth, especially in this crowded season, scares the crap out of me.

    Yeah, particularly when both of their big men are better off playing less minutes during the regular season not more.

  42. jon abbey: that might even be true if you just look at starting 5s (probably not, but maybe), but our lack of frontcourt depth, especially in this crowded season, scares the crap out of me.

    O Kenneth, Kenneth Faried. Why are you not a Knick?

  43. d-mar:
    World B. Free or God Shammgod might be worth a shot

    O MY GOSH!!! lmao..now thas a name I almost forgot about..God Shamgod..hilarious..stop it yal!! I’m in alot of pain today an laughs make me feel good mentally..but not physically lol. God Shamgod…teee heeee….

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