Knicks Morning News (Friday, Apr 13 2012)

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Opening Tip: Are you rooting for Melo? (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:00:47 EDT)

    Every weekday throughout the season, ESPNNewYork.com will tackle a burning question about the Knicks in our “Opening Tip” segment.
    Today’s Burning Question: With the Knicks seemingly relying on Carmelo Anthony to carry the offense the rest of the way, how far do you think he can take the team?
    Carmelo Anthony seems to be one of those players that Knicks fans either love or hate. I see it on Twitter and in conversations with die-hard fans all the time: you either worship him or want him out of town.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] NYK has schedule edge over PHI, MIL (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:00:32 EDT)

    The Knicks enter play Friday in sole possession of eighth place in the Eastern Conference, one game behind seventh-place Philadelphia and two in front of ninth-place Milwaukee.
    Based on strength of schedule (calculated by opponents’ winning percentage), the Knicks have an easier remaining schedule than the Bucks or Sixers. Though neither of the three teams have particularly tough stretches the rest of the way.
    Here’s a breakdown, based on opponents’ winning percentage entering play Thursday:
    NEW YORK: The Knicks’ remaining opponents have a combined winning percentage of .

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] The Knicks and the road ahead (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:00:21 EDT)

    There was a loose vibe in the Knicks’ locker room late Wednesday night.
    Veterans and younger players were joking around, laughing; everyone seemed ready to relax in the aftermath of a big win.
    Rookie Iman Shumpert said the locker-room atmosphere felt like “fresh air.”
    And why wouldn’t it?
    The Knicks had just beaten the Bucks on the road to open up a much-needed two-game cushion over Milwaukee in the race for the eighth seed in the east.
    Carmelo Anthony was all smiles after the win, having fun with Baron Davis, Shumpert and others.

  • [New York Times] For Knicks, Eight Games and Lots of Questions Remaining (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:09:07 GMT)

    The effect of Amar’e Stoudemire’s return to the starting lineup is one of many questions the Knicks face, while holding a two-game lead for the final playoff spot in the East.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Bulls Outlast Heat in Overtime (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:10:07 GMT)

    C. J. Watson had 16 points, including the game-tying 3-pointer at the end of regulation, and the host Chicago Bulls pulled away in overtime to beat the Miami Heat, 96-86.

  • [New York Times] Rose Withers but Bulls Top Heat to Stretch East Lead (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:20:08 GMT)

    A misfiring Derrick Rose forced the Chicago Bulls to rely on their bench but they still managed a 96-86 overtime win over the Miami Heat on Thursday to stay in the driving seat in the race for the Eastern Conference title.

  • [New York Times] Mavericks Survive Late Run, Top Warriors 112-103 (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:12:49 GMT)

    Dirk Nowitzki scored 27 points and former Golden State lottery pick Brandan Wright had 16 points and nine rebounds, leading the Dallas Mavericks past the Warriors 112-103 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Rose Withers but Bulls Top Heat to Stretch East Lead (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:04:31 GMT)

    The Chicago Bulls were forced to rely on their bench as a rusty Derrick Rose misfired but still managed a 96-86 overtime victory over the Miami Heat on Thursday that kept them in the driving seat in the race for the Eastern Conference title.

  • [New York Times] Boozer Scores 19, Bulls Beat Heat 96-86 in OT (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:39:49 GMT)

    Had he known he was going to play so poorly, Derrick Rose might have sat this one out. Good thing for him, his Chicago teammates picked up the slack.

  • [New York Times] Duncan Scores 28, Spurs Cool Surging Grizzlies (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 03:34:02 GMT)

    Tim Duncan had 28 points and 12 rebounds and the San Antonio Spurs snapped out of a funk to top the surging Memphis Grizzlies 107-97 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Griffin, Clippers Overwhelm Love-Less Wolves (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 03:12:51 GMT)

    The Los Angeles Clippers are getting healthy and starting to roll at the right time, with hopes high that they’re going to be playing deep into the postseason.

  • [New York Times] Pistons Trounce Bobcats 109-85 to Snap 3-Game Skid (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:30:50 GMT)

    Greg Monroe had 25 points and 11 rebounds to help the Detroit Pistons salvage a four-game road trip with a 109-85 rout of the woeful Charlotte Bobcats on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: In Tight Race for Top Spot, Spurs Coach Prefers to Rest Aging Stars (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:09:53 GMT)

    When the Spurs traveled to Utah earlier this week to put their 11-game winning streak on the line, Coach Gregg Popovich left the aging stars Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili at home.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Grizzlies Manage to Create Depth With Design (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:34:09 GMT)

    Without making any substantial moves, Coach Lionel Hollins has manufactured a deeper lineup in Memphis by restructuring his rotation.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks gambling on J.R. in the clutch (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 03:00:45 GMT)

    Not even John Starks – the original hand grenade in high tops – and chuckin’ Jamal Crawford could prepare Knicks fans for J.R. Smith.

  • [New York Post] Anthony to appear on â??Nurse Jackie’ (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:40:56 -0500)

    When Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks face the Heat at the Garden on Sunday at 1 p.m. on ABC, there is sure to be drama. But Anthony will be involved in another drama that night.
    At9p.m. on Showtime,Anthony will haveaguest role in the second episode of the…

  • [New York Post] Davis trying to stay on point for Knicks (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 00:47:48 -0500)

    MILWAUKEE — How much more can Baron Davis bend before he breaks?
    Knicks interim coach Mike Woodson said he wants to limit the banged-up point guard to playing no more than 25-26 minutes per game, but Davis did not even give his coach the option to use him that much…

  • [New York Post] Keeping Mike at head coach offers Knicks chance at stability (Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:53:09 -0500)

    Mike Woodson hasn’t lost at the Garden as Knicks interim head coach. He takes an 8-0 Garden clip into Friday night’s game against Washington and figures to go to 9-0 against the weak Wizards.
    It has been a sweet 16 games for Woodson in his month on the…

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    206 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (Friday, Apr 13 2012)”

    1. Why is it accepted as fact that Melo and Amare can’t coexist on offense when there is absolutely NO objective evidence to support that position. This year, the only time that they were both healthy and in shape was the 4 or 5 games before Amare got hurt and they were both doing fine offensively. But if you want a much bigger sample size, look at last year. Everyone says that Amare “struggled” after the trade. Not true at all. Amare’s numbers were almost identical before and after the trade. In the 25 games before the trade, he averaged 25 points a game on 52% shooting. In the 25 games that he and Carmelo played together after the trade, he averaged 24 points on 52% shooting. The Knicks were among the league leaders in offensive efficiency after the trade — it was on defense that they struggled. And why do people think that Melo is only thriving now because of mismatches at power forward? He’s played the 3 his entire career and has NEVER had a problem scoring. If Amare comes back healthy, they will be fine together.

    2. johnno: Why is it accepted as fact that Melo and Amare can’t coexist on offense when there is absolutely NO objective evidence to support that position. This year, the only time that they were both healthy and in shape was the 4 or 5 games before Amare got hurt and they were both doing fine offensively. But if you want a much bigger sample size, look at last year. Everyone says that Amare “struggled” after the trade. Not true at all. Amare’s numbers were almost identical before and after the trade. In the 25 games before the trade, he averaged 25 points a game on 52% shooting. In the 25 games that he and Carmelo played together after the trade, he averaged 24 points on 52% shooting. The Knicks were among the league leaders in offensive efficiency after the trade — it was on defense that they struggled. And why do people think that Melo is only thriving now because of mismatches at power forward? He’s played the 3 his entire career and has NEVER had a problem scoring. If Amare comes back healthy, they will be fine together.

      From Hollinger:

      And moreover, it appears the current setup works well for Anthony. As NBA.com’s John Schuhmann pointed out recently, Melo has played better with Lin and Amare off the court than in any other arrangement. The Knicks are plus-106 points this season when Melo plays without Amare, but minus-30 when he doesn’t. With Lin, it’s there too, although not as strong: plus-50 without Lin compared to plus-26 with him. When all three are on the court together, they’ve been outscored.

      Link to Schuhmann’s article here: http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/04/01/knicks-are-melos-team-now/

      Also, I’m curious as to why you’re only using last years results. They’ve both posted career lows in every major statistical category this year. It clearly isn’t working, and I’m not sure I see any problems with STAT coming off the bench.

    3. Why look at last year? Two reasons — first, it was the only time that they were both healthy and in shape and, second, it is a large sample size. For the first 30 or so games of this year, it was obvious that Amare didn’t have his legs because of his offseason inactivity. It was equally obvious that Melo wasn’t in game shape, that he was playing hurt and that his shot wasn’t falling. He was regularly clanking open 15 foot jump shots. In the last 15 games or so, Melo has noticeably quicker, stronger and more athletic-looking.
      For what it’s worth, I couldn’t care less who starts and who comes off the bench. If they are both healthy, Melo and Amare are each going to play 34-36 minutes a game. I agree that it makes sense to have one of them on the court at all times so, they will each play about 22-24 minutes with the other on the court and 12-14 without the other on the court, which is exactly how D’Antoni used them last year.

      Matt Smith: From Hollinger:And moreover, it appears the current setup works well for Anthony. As NBA.com’s John Schuhmann pointed out recently, Melo has played better with Lin and Amare off the court than in any other arrangement. The Knicks are plus-106 points this season when Melo plays without Amare, but minus-30 when he doesn’t. With Lin, it’s there too, although not as strong: plus-50 without Lin compared to plus-26 with him. When all three are on the court together, they’ve been outscored.Link to Schuhmann’s article here: http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/04/01/knicks-are-melos-team-now/Also, I’m curious as to why you’re only using last years results. They’ve both posted career lows in every major statistical category this year. It clearly isn’t working, and I’m not sure I see any problems with STAT coming off…

    4. I think there are plenty of reasons to think Stat and Melo won’t work. It hasn’t worked all season would be the primary reason. It did work somewhat last year. But that was a different coach and we were playing at a higher pace. And the results were just good not spectacular. We have slowed it down noticeably under Woodson, who seems very comfortable feeding the ball exclusively to Melo, who himself seems to be much happier as the only high usage option on the court.

      It was clear when the trade was made for Melo that these guys are as duplicative a pair of players as you can find in the NBA. Both are high volume scorers who thrive playing out of position and who need to dominate the ball.

      The addition of Chandler, obviously a huge positive in many respects, is the fly in the ointment I think. The best chance of it working is having Carmelo and Amare at the 4-5 I think, leaving no space for Chandler on the court.

      And you are not going to bench the best player on the team to make the other two guys happy….

    5. Yeah, the debate of whether Amar’e should start or not is a bit of an academic point, as he is clearly starting when he returns. Woody was pretty adamant about it, really.

      An interesting question is who does go to the bench when Amar’e returns? You have to figure Shump is not leaving, so is it Davis or Fields? I would not be surprised if it turned out to be Davis.

    6. If you want to ignore the obvious injuries, lack of conditioning, etc., this year, you are free to do so. However, you are really short-changing Melo when you say that he is a guy who “thrives playing out of position.” The guy has “thrived” for 9 years playing the 3 and now, suddenly, the only way that he can be effective offensively is to play the 4?? And you are wrong when you say that Amare is a “high volume scorer who needs to dominate the ball.” He has averaged over 15 shots a game only once in his career and has been one of the most efficient scorers in the league for years. He is the exact opposite of a guy who dominates the ball; he is a guy who gets the ball and quickly goes to the hoop. They are clearly not duplicative offensively — Melo is the master of the mid-range game while Amare is a pnr finisher and pick and pop jump shooter. I do agree that Amare is very effective as a 5 so he should play the 5, with Melo at the 4, for 15 minutes a game while Chandler is on the bench.

      Owen: I think there are plenty of reasons to think Stat and Melo won’t work. It hasn’t worked all season would be the primary reason. It did work somewhat last year. But that was a different coach and we were playing at a higher pace. And the results were just good not spectacular. We have slowed it down noticeably under Woodson, who seems very comfortable feeding the ball exclusively to Melo, who himself seems to be much happier as the only high usage option on the court.It was clear when the trade was made for Melo that these guys are as duplicative a pair of players as you can find in the NBA. Both are high volume scorers who thrive playing out of position and who need to dominate the ball. The addition of Chandler, obviously a huge positive in many respects, is the fly in the ointment I think..

    7. By the way, the two most duplicative players in the league are Brandon Jennings and Monta Ellis, not Melo and Amare. I can’t for the life of me figure out why a team with an undersized defensively challenged point guard who shoots way too much and passes way too little would trade for a defensively challeged point guard who shoots way too much and passes way too little and is forced to play the two where he is way too small. And Dwyane Wade and LeBron are pretty duplicative but they are great enough players to overcome that “duplicativeness.”

    8. A couple points from last night’s Miami-Chicago game I wanted to touch on:

      1. As Ruru said last night, Miami can be had. The pace has slowed noticeably for them, and they’re just not the same team when they’re not pushing the pace. I had thought previously that they were just a little bored with the regular season, but their inability to lift their game against the top teams makes it seem like more than that. Couple that with the fact that as soon as they fall behind in any series the pressure heaped on them is going to be tremendous, and that they’re not exactly a team that handles that well, and I think they have some trouble. Their one saving grace is that the bracket currently is shaping up great for them, with Philly and then ATL/IND. If Boston gets up to #3 and faces them in Round 2, I think that’s a coin flip.

      2. Chicago’s success without Rose (or with a crippled Rose) is pretty amazing. His MVP trophy should be retroactively withdrawn. It obviously doesn’t prove anything, but it is pretty intriguing evidence in the ongoing debate about the relative value of high usage, low efficiency scorers. I’m really curious what other people on the board think about this? Is it a fluke, or is Rose overrated, or some other option?

      3. I’m starting to think that staying in the 8 spot might be better than moving up for the Knicks chances of making it to the finals. If we want to win one round, moving up to 6 is obviously better. But for making it to the finals the key is staying away from Miami, in my opinion, because while they’re weak, it’s still a terrible matchup for us. I’m not sure we can consistently get the ball across half court against them. Our best path to the finals involves Boston moving up to 3, and taking out Miami in the 2nd round, with us eking out a win over Chicago, then beating up on Indiana, by which point we should have Lin back to go against Boston. All their main guys will have been playing 42+ to get by Miami, and we’d be…

    9. Owen,

      I’m not sure I agree completely with your take on this situation. I mean, we all see that Melo and STAT are duplicitous talents. No argument there. But I think the problem goes deeper than the fact that they are both scorers.

      The biggest issue lies in the way they historically have been most effective. Melo is at his best in one-on-one situations. He likes to hold the ball and dare the opposing team to let him post or iso without help. Regardless of where we all stand on his efficiency, it’s pretty clear that few players can consistently guard him in those scenarios.

      Unfortunately, that fits terribly with STAT’s preferred offense. STAT destroys opponents in the PnR. In DA’s offense, with shooters spacing the floor and Nash being Nash, teams had no way of shutting STAT down. STAT has to get the ball on the move to be effective. That has been much more difficult with Melo here because the ball just doesn’t move the same way. And without a PG to feed STAT in motion we see a lot of STAT isos (which he has been awful at. Just doesn’t have a tight enough handle to make it work.) and STAT post-ups (where he’s somewhat surprisingly ineffective) and it feels like the offense is constantly switching between Melo-ball and Stoudemire-ball instead of generating a single, cogent offensive gameplan.

      I’m a bit more optimistic than some of you, because I think they can work together. Stoudemire just needs to iso and post-up WAY less and our coach needs to create plays to get him off-ball screens from guys like Tyson so Melo can feed him. Melo’s a great passer, even though his court vision is only average, so he should be able to make it work. Melo being a strong offensive weapon and drawing the focus of opposing defenses should be huge.

      Random: As I was thinking of how our offense could improve I realized who fits way better with Melo. Imagine if we signed Carlos Boozer instead of STAT last offseason. He would work so well alongside Melo. Sigh.

    10. Post All-star game in March Amare’s FG=56.3%, more line with his Career numbers. Evidently, Amare was able to adjust on the offensive end playing with Lin and Melo.

      If watch the games, Melo jump shot specially his mid range was not going down. This seem occur after he sat out OKC game on 1/14. Your can contribute his slump to injuries initially, but some point it began mental which resonated with his some postgame interviews. Something click mental after Lin/Amare injuries that he start hitting those shots. That elbow jumper is really simple iso play which can run with any 5 player on court. When he hitting that, he drive basket are more effective and let him found his range on the 3 ball. His slump happen to occur with Amare on the floor, but I’ve not seen any good fact correlated Melo slump because Amare is also on the floor.

    11. johnno: By the way, the two most duplicative players in the league are Brandon Jennings and Monta Ellis, not Melo and Amare. I can’t for the life of me figure out why a team with an undersized defensively challenged point guard who shoots way too much and passes way too little would trade for a defensively challeged point guard who shoots way too much and passes way too little and is forced to play the two where he is way too small. And Dwyane Wade and LeBron are pretty duplicative but they are great enough players to overcome that “duplicativeness.”

      Yeah, that trade was a bit absurd to me. I would understand if they flipped Monta for another flawed star who needs a change of scenery (Seriously. Josh Smith for Monta Ellis is beautiful for the Bucks.) but if Steph Curry and Monta couldn’t work how in the world will Jennings and Monta ever be a thing?

    12. Brian Cronin: David Lee would also work better with Melo than STAT. Heck, so would Paul Millsap (just to name two other recent free agent 4?s).

      Yeah, man. All three (Lee, Booz, Millsap) also rebound the ball way better than STAT. Imagine a healthy Melo’s midrange game + drives to the hoops with any of those guys and Chandler cleaning up the offensive glass.

    13. If Melo can play the Nash role, than sure, Amare and Melo can work….

      Really, as long as Melo’s mid range shot continues to fall as it has lately, we should be able to cobble together a pretty solid offense.

      It is amazing how much Boozer’s reputation has suffered of late. Not too long ago he was one of two stars on a tough Utah team. Now, he pretty much never gets mentioned as a star in the NBA and is totally overshadowed by Rose in Chicago.But he is having in some respects his strongest statistical season to date and has carried the Bulls in Rose’s absence

      And speaking of Rose, he is seeming more iverson-esque with each game the Bulls win without him. He actually played yesterday, going 1-13 and posting a -27 in 25 minutes. He is obviously hurt and I don’t hold that performance against him at all. But it’s hard to shake the feeling watching the Bulls play without him that he is the scorer getting credit for the talent of the players around him. I think their core of Boozer, Noah, Deng, with Gibson and Brewer and Korver as super solid role players, is easily a 50 win team without Rose.

    14. @8

      1. I’m just not sure if they are intentionally slowing the pace to rest the Big 3 before the playoffs or if Spo really doesn’t see the difference between the Heat in January and them right now. Who knows? I still don’t want to see them in the first round.

      2. Yeah, Rose’s MVP was a farce and it looks even worse with his injuries this year. I mean, he’s a phenomenal player but he isn’t the driving force behind the Bulls. CHI kills teams through it’s offensive rebounding and defensive intensity. It’s pretty clear the team doesn’t “need” Rose, but just a pretty consistent scorer at point. CJ and John Lucas have been insanely good.

    15. I’d also like to look at Melo’s defensive numbers at power forward too. He’s very strong, and he’s 6’9. This is just an eye check, but he seems more content guarding people in the post than people on the wing.

      Amare is just awful at defense in general.

    16. Of course Stat and Melo can play together. It just takes a coach who isn’t married to some rigid, dogmatic style of play and who uses common sense to put his best players in positions where they can succeed.

      Melo + Stat + SSOL – passable point guard = fail. That doesn’t mean that those two guys can’t play together.

    17. TelegraphedPass: Yeah, man. All three (Lee, Booz, Millsap) also rebound the ball way better than STAT. Imagine a healthy Melo’s midrange game + drives to the hoops with any of those guys and Chandler cleaning up the offensive glass.

      Beside for Lee, I have to agree with you. With lineup TC, Stat, Melo, Shump, Lin – I see Amare as weak link because defensive ability. You can kind blame MDA during his stint w/ Phoenix for Amare developing his bad defensive game. When last time you saw Stat take a charge like JJ?

    18. Owen: If Melo can play the Nash role, than sure, Amare and Melo can work.

      Meh, I think you’re being a bit pessimistic. Melo doesn’t need to be Nash; he just needs to look for STAT cuts. He doesn’t need to run the offense, just let the ball move fluidly when he draws attention. Which he is doing already.

    19. Re: Melo’s defense.

      He’s been very strong guarding players outside of the post as well. His big failing is guarding spot-up shooters, but that’s been the worst area for almost everyone on the team. That leads me to think its more of a systemic issue than an individual thing. It’s also why we guard the 3 point line so poorly.

    20. Fairly certain the Lin, Fields, Melo, Lee, Biedrins line-up would rank among the most ethnically diverse in NBA history without looking.

    21. Brian Cronin:
      I can only assume their theory was “it is so crazy it must work!”

      They probably thought they needed to get something of value for Andrew Bogut before his injuries further throttled his trade value. That being said, if GS is completely healthy next year, they’re probably the 6th best team in the conference.

    22. I’m not worried too much about the offense with STAT, but, oh my!, I’m concerned about the defense. STAT looked so stiff and terrible this year on D, and, although his offense looked MUCH better for a time, I’m guessing that this latest injury will mark a return to stiff, immobile STAT. Did you see the shots of him in warmups during the last few games? They showed him driving to the basket and laying the ball in. Looked fine until you realized that basketball isn’t played in straight lines. He looks like someone with back stiffness. There is no motion in the back. Remember electric football? He looked like one of those guys. (Google it, kids.)

      I’m hoping for more, but I’m not counting on it.

    23. massive: That being said, if GS is completely healthy next year, they’re probably the 6th best team in the conference.

      I am not sure GS fans even agree with that statement.

    24. People are worried about Amare’s defense and they think that the Knicks would be better off with David Lee?!?! Yeesh. Or Boozer or Millsap, on defense? Oh boy… I’m tired of everyone complaining about how terrible everyone but Chandler and Shumpert are on defense. The Knicks are 5th in the league in defensive efficiency, 2nd in steals, 1st in opponent turnovers and 1st in fewest assists allowed per game. Unless Shump and Chandler are the two best defenders in the history of the NBA, SOMEONE other those two must be doing SOMETHING right on defense.

    25. I would agree with being more worried about maintaining our defensive intensity and integrity post-return of Stat. On offense, however, Melo’s been able to play with JJ on the floor who can do almost nothing on offense.

    26. PC: I am not sure GS fans even agree with that statement.

      Golden State fans also hated the Monta Ellis trade. A starting line-up of Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Richardson Jefferson, David Lee, and Andrew Bogut is a really good unit. Then they have Robinson, Wright, Rush, and Biedrins off of the bench. The only problem with that roster (if they can stay healthy) is Mark Jackson.

    27. @28 I think you’re missing the point. Nobody is saying, “Oh man STAT is teh sux on defense we need Carlos Boozer.”

      Carlos just fits way better with Melo. On paper at least. He knocks down perimeter shots consistently and crashes the glass.

    28. I’m not worried about the defense with STAT. We’ve been good on defense all year, and he’s played the 5th most minutes on the team. When I watch the Knicks, I see a team in need of a 2nd scorer, and STAT gives us that. I just hope he doesn’t settle for jumpers all the time when he returns.

    29. I agree with the more recent comments – Melo and Stoudemire can play fine together when the Knicks have the ball – they were better than ok last year after the trade; they were the #1 offense in the NBA, efficiency-wise. Billups had something to do with it, but then we didn’t have a center shooting 70%.

      Where they duplicate each other, is in the big picture – both provide most of their value as scorers, and only one person can shoot on any given possession. Melo is more important to keep on the court, not because he is necessarily a better scorer but because he is a better passer and defender, and a great rebounder for his position, as opposed to a below-average rebounder.

      The Knicks offense will be upgraded when Amare comes back (assuming he’s mostly healthy), but they have to be careful not to slide on the other end.

      johnno:
      The Knicks are 5th in the league in defensive efficiency, 2nd in steals, 1st in opponent turnovers and 1st in fewest assists allowed per game.Unless Shump and Chandler are the two best defenders in the history of the NBA, SOMEONE other those two must be doing SOMETHING right on defense.

      Actually, I’d say 90% of the Knicks improvement on D is because of those two guys, and most of it from Chandler – centers just have an outsize impact.

      I’d agree the Knicks went from #8 or 9 to #5, by other players improving their defensive game, notably Melo. You could also argue the defense was helped when Lin went out and his minutes were split between Davis, Smith and Shumpert.

    30. You are ignoring how good a jump shooter Amare has become. He was deadly last year in pick and pop plays. As far as Boozer “crashing the glass,” in the last two years, he has averaged no more rebounds than Amare and, for his career, 1 more rebound a game, so they are pretty much a wash on the boards. Amare is a MUCH more polished and prolific offensive player than Boozer. If Amare couldn’t “fit” with Melo, how in the world did he score 24 points a game on 52% shooting when he played with him last year? If they’re both healthy, I’ll take Amare over Boozer any day of the week.

      TelegraphedPass: @28 I think you’re missing the point. Nobody is saying, “Oh man STAT is teh sux on defense we need Carlos Boozer.” Carlos just fits way better with Melo. On paper at least. He knocks down perimeter shots consistently and crashes the glass.

    31. @34

      Amar’e is shooting 38.7% in spot up plays this year. Boozer is shooting 46.8%.

      STAT’s rebounding rate this year and last year: 13.8% and 12.7% respectively.

      Booz’s: 16.2% and 17.6%.

      I never said Boozer was “more polished.” STAT is one of the most devastating offensive weapons of the past decade. But Boozer’s skillset fits Melo much better. Fit is way more important than overall skill.

    32. And using per game stats to say they are a wash on the boards is ignorant. Boozer is a great rebounder. If you compare their per36 minutes rebounds per game Boozer averages between 2 and 3 more rebounds per game. That’s a wash?

    33. Owen is absolutely right about Boozer’s reputation. He’s giving Chicago 15 and 8.6 in less than 30 minutes per game on 53% from the field and gets treated like he’s trash.

      Boozer’s a jerk for the way he’s left franchises, but he’s damn good at ball and underrated as all heck.

    34. Peter Vecsey today:

      “Once Iman Shumpert learns how to play within himself he’ll have everything it takes to become one of the NBA’s topmost 2-way players … a forceful Walt Frazier, only armed and dangerous beyond the arc … a straight version of Micheal Richardson. You have a lot to look forward to, if you’re a Knicks’ fan.”

    35. Golden State fans also hated the Monta Ellis trade. A starting line-up of Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Richardson Jefferson, David Lee, and Andrew Bogut is a really good unit. Then they have Robinson, Wright, Rush, and Biedrins off of the bench. The only problem with that roster (if they can stay healthy) is Mark Jackson.

      I think Golden State will improve if Bogut and Curry are healthy, but i think you’re overselling how impressive a Curry/Thompson/Jefferson/Lee/Bogut starting lineup sounds. Jefferson is pretty much done as an effective player and Thompson has plenty still to prove. The other three should work well, though, that’s true.

    36. Also:

      Dallas
      LAL
      SA
      LAC
      Minny
      OKC
      MEM
      HOU

      How many of those teams will a healthy GS exceed without a jump from Curry?

    37. The group listed for GS was only 5 guys. Their bench is no good and they have zero defense besides a healthy Bogut. Curry also is not a true PG.

      Memphis, Minny, LAC, HOU all have brighter futures. And if we’re arguing based on the condition of “complete health”, then a healthy Minnesota seems light years ahead of them given what Rubio showed. But the likelihood of Rubio being exactly the same and Bogut being exactly the same lean better for Rubio than Bogut.

    38. That Golden State lineup just looks a little soft to me. Bogut is a hardscrabble player but he has injury problems, and the rest of the lineup just seems to lack physicality.

      I’d add Utah to the list of teams I expect to be better than Golden State. They have a really good young core of players– Enes Kanter, Derrick Favors, Alec Burks and Gordon Hayward are all 21 or younger and can all play. Those players have all acquitted themselves quite well when they’ve gotten PT. Utah has some good veteran players too. They’re already a fringe playoff team and they’re only going to improve.

    39. As a long suffering GS fan (and more Knick fan now) the trade for Bogut is good, as Monta and Curry were just too small, but this talk (on this Board) of trading for Lee/Biedrins to get rid of STAT is crazy. Biedrins has completely lost it, and while Lee is a solid citizen and good guy, he gets owned by all the top 4’s in the league. Biedrins would never see the floor as a Knick, he’d be behind Chandler, JJ and even Jorts. So STAT for Lee — why?

    40. TelegraphedPass:
      @34

      Amar’e is shooting 38.7% in spot up plays this year. Boozer is shooting 46.8%.

      Historically speaking, Amare has been a better jump shooter than Boozer. Eyeballing the numbers for the last 6 years in hoopdata, Amare probably shoots mid 40s from 16-23 feet whereas Boozer is probably low-40s. This year Boozer is at 45% whereas STAT is at 35%, which is well below his #s from 5 years prior to that. So sure, Boozer looks better this year but STAT has been better for the most part throughout his recent career.

      The big problem on offense early this year is that STAT was just terrible the entire 1st half, and Melo was terrible after his hot start. They were both missing wide open shots that they usually make with regularity. It’s true that they are both high usage players, but it’s not like they are the only two guys in the league that are expected to play together and be high usage guys. I was a big MDA guy but it seems pretty clear now that he was totally misusing Melo. Hopefully Woodson can put together a package that uses both of their abilities synergistically. If not, I still think Baron + Amare + JR on the 2nd unit makes sense.

      ANd like someone wrote above – just because Amare is starting doesn’t mean he has to play only with TC and Melo. Woody can mix/match subs so that Melo/Amare are not getting in each other’s way all the time.

    41. StatsTeacher: As a long suffering GS fan (and more Knick fan now) the trade for Bogut is good, as Monta and Curry were just too small, but this talk (on this Board) of trading for Lee/Biedrins to get rid of STAT is crazy. Biedrins has completely lost it, and while Lee is a solid citizen and good guy, he gets owned by all the top 4?s in the league. Biedrins would never see the floor as a Knick, he’d be behind Chandler, JJ and even Jorts. So STAT for Lee — why?

      I don’t think any of it was serious. More of a wink wink giggle joke for us all.

    42. It wasn’t serious in the sense that it will never happen because the Knicks aren’t trading STAT, but I’d take that deal easily (or any of those other guys mentioned, Boozer, Millsap, etc.). STAT’s career looks like it is going to get reeeeeal ugly reeeeeal fast (not Shawn Kemp ugly, but in that general vicinity). Taking Biedrins and then sitting him on the bench is the only way to possibly get a player as good as Lee for STAT now. Better fit with Melo, better rebounder, a great passer, younger and healthier. The defense is a wash, so why wouldn’t you want Lee over STAT now? The only advantage STAT has over Lee is that STAT is better for building an offense around. You can build a strong offense around STAT. But if you’re not going to do that, STAT is not a great complementary guy (he’s fine, but just not as good as Lee at that role).

    43. Thanks TelegraphedPass, so the better question is, when Miami blows up again, possibly in the ECF or before and LeBron wants out, how can we get involved in that!? Who of the Superfriends will become available? :-)

    44. StatsTeacher: Thanks TelegraphedPass, so the better question is, when Miami blows up again, possibly in the ECF or before and LeBron wants out, how can we get involved in that!? Who of the Superfriends will become available? :-)

      Not sure if serious or if I’m being insulted…

    45. thenamestsam: Is it a fluke, or is Rose overrated, or some other option?

      If you told me Rose wasn’t playing the first round against us, I’d feel better about our chances.

      Brian Cronin:
      David Lee would also work better with Melo than STAT. Heck, so would Paul Millsap (just to name two other recent free agent 4?s).

      We should revisit this at this time next year.

      Owen: Really, as long as Melo’s mid range shot continues to fall as it has lately, we should be able to cobble together a pretty solid offense.

      I agree, if he gets single coverage he needs to make a forceful move. Call it ISO ball if you want. You have to press an advantage and he’s got one over almost anyone. If you get doubled move the ball. Simple, and he’s doing it.

      JK47: Of course Stat and Melo can play together. It just takes a coach who isn’t married to some rigid, dogmatic style of play and who uses common sense to put his best players in positions where they can succeed.

      Word

      TelegraphedPass: Carlos just fits way better with Melo. On paper at least. He knocks down perimeter shots consistently and crashes the glass.

      Amar’e is a very unique and gifted player. He has his flaws, particularly defensively, but I think we’ve only scratched the surface with Amar’e and Melo. It’s been a crazy year since Melo arrived. He’s only now really coming into his own. If this team is in this position after a healthy year next year, I’ll entertain this…

    46. this recent stretch of excellent Carmelo games have only reinforced to me the fact that Amare needs to be traded next season, if possible.

      he overlaps too much with Anthony, and we could get younger and more flexible assets to match with Anthony and Chandler’s weaknesses, making us a much better team in the process.

      if we can get a younger PF who’s a really good rebounder and at least one reliable bench player (a PG or a Center, primarily) I think we would be a much better team than we are trying to figure out if Amare + Anthony would work out, with all indications being that it may never work.

      this is Anthony’s and Chandler’s team right now, and we’ll go as they go.

      the ideal PF for this team is someone who can rebound, defend well and reliably hit an 18-foot jumper… I’d rather have Taj Gibson or Brandon Bass right now with some more draft picks or other complimentary players than pay 20 mil to see if we can, eventually, make Anthony and Stoudemire coexist.

    47. The problem, Bruno, is that you can’t get those types of player for STAT anymore. He’s making too much money, he’s too old, he’s too fragile, his contract is uninsured and he is having the worst season of his career. The only way you’re moving STAT is if you’re taking salary back. Which is why in almost every possible trade scenario, the Knicks would be better off just keeping him and hoping he can turn it around.

    48. In re: The Bucks. I thought acquiring Ellis was a way of saying that they were going to shop Jennings in the short term. Jennings has said he wants out of town and into a big market, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t try to move him soon (to Miami for Norris Cole and a #1, perhaps, or to the Nets if they lose DWill and are desperate for some kind of spark when moving to the BK).

      In re: STAT and Melo. The worry is defense — Melo has been great guarding 4s, and having Fields/Smith and Shumpert switching on wings has been excellent. With Melo at the 3, we lose defensive talent and match-up flexibility. However they fit together, Stat is better than Fields on offense. That said, where we really need him is when Melo and Chandler sit. When we play that Shumpert or Davis/Smith/Novak/Jeffries group, we really could use a dangerous scorer to free up Smith and Novak from deep.

    49. danvt: Amar’e is a very unique and gifted player. He has his flaws, particularly defensively, but I think we’ve only scratched the surface with Amar’e and Melo. It’s been a crazy year since Melo arrived. He’s only now really coming into his own. If this team is in this position after a healthy year next year, I’ll entertain this…

      Oh, yeah don’t get me wrong. I said earlier that I can see STAT and Melo forming a strong offensive base with some tweaks. I suggested a couple earlier. My point is that Melo and Booz would fit together much faster. The offense wouldn’t need to be edited as much because Boozer’s strengths are midrange shooting, post ups, and crashing the glass.

      Of course, that’s assuming he isn’t just having a hot shooting year. As Frank pointed out, Amar’e is historically a stronger shooter.

    50. The only team I could see taking a chance on STAT’s uninsured contract is the Nets, who need name talent and are run by guys who, er, take chances. If the Nets can resign Williams but can’t get Howard, I could see a Gerald Wallace plus a contract or two for STAT trade, to create a DWill/Amare PnR combo. It would make us much better on defense and probably better overall, particularly if the second piece was a backup big (kris humphries?).

    51. The Monta/Jennings pairing is strange, wonder if it is a long term plan. Hollinger’s stats says Monta passes more than Westrbook. (assist % is a bit higher for Monta). It was noted on this board during the last Buck’s game how many shots and low % ones as well that Monta/Jennings took. I think the Bucks are venison at this point.

    52. StatsTeacher: @ Telegraphed, absolutely NO insult intended!!

      Oh, ok. Then to answer your hypothetical:

      There is absolutely no way we can get any of those players even if the Heat implode.

    53. @TP I agree they will not be available, but Miami will have the worst off season ever if they do in fact lose in the ECF or before. Barkley was really hard on them last night, saying the Big 2 are tired and they get no help from anyone else. A month ago, when LeBron was going for 30+ in 3 games in 3 nights he seemed otherworldly, not so much last night. Wonder why.

    54. Brian Cronin:
      The problem, Bruno, is that you can’t get those types of player for STAT anymore. He’s making too much money, he’s too old, he’s too fragile, his contract is uninsured and he is having the worst season of his career. The only way you’re moving STAT is if you’re taking salary back. Which is why in almost every possible trade scenario, the Knicks would be better off just keeping him and hoping he can turn it around.

      yeah, I agree, and that’s why I don’t think it’s realistic that we’ll be a title-winning type of team in the recent future.

    55. yeah, I agree, and that’s why I don’t think it’s realistic that we’ll be a title-winning type of team in the recent future.

      With their strong defense, though, they only need to have a decent offense to be a title contender next year, so I think they could realistically contend next year if everyone is healthy (well, depending on who comes back of the free agents, of course). STAT doesn’t need to be good for them to contend. He just needs to be decent. Lin is more important. They need him (or some point guard) to be good.

    56. TelegraphedPass: Of course, that’s assuming he isn’t just having a hot shooting year. As Frank pointed out, Amar’e is historically a stronger shooter.
        

      Boozer’s probably somewhere in between last season’s awfulness and this season’s red-hotness.

    57. StatsTeacher: @TP I agree they will not be available, but Miami will have the worst off season ever if they do in fact lose in the ECF or before. Barkley was really hard on them last night, saying the Big 2 are tired and they get no help from anyone else. A month ago, when LeBron was going for 30+ in 3 games in 3 nights he seemed otherworldly, not so much last night. Wonder why.

      You can do much worse than reaching the NBA Finals and Eastern Conference Finals in consecutive years. Miami looks worse because everyone assumes they should be an 82 win team and sweep everything en route to a title. That they’ve struggled against other title contenders should be expected. That’s why there are multiple contenders.

    58. Brian Cronin: With their strong defense, though, they only need to have a decent offense to be a title contender next year, so I think they could realistically contend next year if everyone is healthy (well, depending on who comes back of the free agents, of course). STAT doesn’t need to be good for them to contend. He just needs to be decent. Lin is more important. They need him (or some point guard) to be good.

      but the problem is that Amare’s contributions on the defensive end are, normally, really bad… if he can somehow go back to what he did pre-Melo trade, primarily being an adequate to good weakside defender and rebound decently, we’ll be ok on D.

      the problem is that it seems like Amare does more harm than good for our offense when he’s not well… if he can sustain the offensive effort he had before his injury, then he’s a plus… if he goes back to how it went before that stretch, he won’t help.

    59. All these “trade STAT” talks are just nuts. People have short memories, when STAT signed with the Knicks, he was the ONLY star that’s willing to come to NY at the time, everyone else avoided Knicks like plague (Hello LeBron).

    60. bc2k: All these “trade STAT” talks are just nuts. People have short memories, when STAT signed with the Knicks, he was the ONLY star that’s willing to come to NY at the time, everyone else avoided Knicks like plague (Hello LeBron).

      #So

    61. Amare played Matadore d for over 10 years, it would unrealistic for him to become a defensive stalwart next 2 years. If he playing starter minutes, I just don’t see us having ability to win it all.
      Knicks should win ATLANTIC division next 3 years which give 4th seed at least. Again if Shump and Lin progress on both side of court, I think our best chance to win it all is 2013-2014 because Melo still should be in his prime.
      Probably trading deadline in 2014 we might be able to trade stat for another PF (other team want to do salary dump) for Stat’s expiring contract. Of course PF needs fit our team by rebounding and defending, and hopefully contract is not too outrageous.

    62. We’re a top 5 defense in the league with STAT playing significant minutes. Nobody’s saying the Bulls can’t win starting Boozer.

    63. Yeah, while the defense is better without STAT, it was still a very good defense with him. I think the Knicks can definitely contend next year with everyone back and healthy. I think it’d make a lot of sense to trade STAT, but they don’t need to trade him. STAT’s still a fine enough player, even as he enters the descent of his career.

    64. Here Hollinger’s all-defensive team. Sure if Knicks had Taj Gibson there no reason we couldn’t keep Stat.

      First team:
      Avery Bradley, Boston
      Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia
      LeBron James, Miami
      Kevin Garnett, Boston
      Tyson Chandler, New York
      Second team:
      Ricky Rubio, Minnesota
      Tony Allen, Memphis
      Luol Deng, Chicago
      Taj Gibson, Chicago
      Dwight Howard, Orlando
      Third team:
      Mike Conley, Memphis
      Ronnie Brewer, Chicago
      Grant Hill, Phoenix
      Josh Smith, Atlanta
      Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City

    65. As to the posts about Derrick Rose – he seems to be Allen Iverson playing the PG position. Chicago’s defense and ball movement gets worse when he plays. But, like Iverson, the scoring bursts are frequent and bountiful.

    66. Bruno Almeida: but the problem is that Amare’s contributions on the defensive end are, normally, really bad… if he can somehow go back to what he did pre-Melo trade, primarily being an adequate to good weakside defender and rebound decently, we’ll be ok on D.

      the problem is that it seems like Amare does more harm than good for our offense when he’s not well… if he can sustain the offensive effort he had before his injury, then he’s a plus… if he goes back to how it went before that stretch, he won’t help.

      What he was showing with Woodson was good defense. Alert, timely rotations, putting his body on guys, and staying in from of them for the most part.

      That guy, in combination with his +600TS the last ten games or so, is a damn good player.

    67. Frank: Historically speaking, Amare has been a better jump shooter than Boozer. Eyeballing the numbers for the last 6 years in hoopdata, Amare probably shoots mid 40s from 16-23 feet whereas Boozer is probably low-40s.This year Boozer is at 45% whereas STAT is at 35%, which is well below his #s from 5 years prior to that. So sure, Boozer looks better this year but STAT has been better for the most part throughout his recent career.

      The big problem on offense early this year is that STAT was just terrible the entire 1st half, and Melo was terrible after his hot start.They were both missing wide open shots that they usually make with regularity.It’s true that they are both high usage players, but it’s not like they are the only two guys in the league that are expected to play together and be high usage guys.I was a big MDA guy but it seems pretty clear now that he was totally misusing Melo. Hopefully Woodson can put together a package that uses both of their abilities synergistically.If not, I still think Baron + Amare + JR on the 2nd unit makes sense.

      ANd like someone wrote above – just because Amare is starting doesn’t mean he has to play only with TC and Melo. Woody can mix/match subs so that Melo/Amare are not getting in each other’s way all the time.

      Good post

    68. danvt: If you told me Rose wasn’t playing the first round against us, I’d feel better about our chances.

      We should revisit this at this time next year.

      I agree, if he gets single coverage he needs to make a forceful move.Call it ISO ball if you want.You have to press an advantage and he’s got one over almost anyone.If you get doubled move the ball.Simple, and he’s doing it.

      Word

      Amar’e is a very unique and gifted player.He has his flaws, particularly defensively, but I think we’ve only scratched the surface with Amar’e and Melo.It’s been a crazy year since Melo arrived.He’s only now really coming into his own.If this team is in this position after a healthy year next year, I’ll entertain this…

      Yep. Nice job.

    69. johnno:
      If you want to ignore the obvious injuries, lack of conditioning, etc., this year, you are free to do so.However, you are really short-changing Melo when you say that he is a guy who “thrives playing out of position.”The guy has “thrived” for 9 years playing the 3 and now, suddenly, the only way that he can be effective offensively is to play the 4??And you are wrong when you say that Amare is a “high volume scorer who needs to dominate the ball.”He has averaged over 15 shots a game only once in his career and has been one of the most efficient scorers in the league for years.He is the exact opposite of a guy who dominates the ball; he is a guy who gets the ball and quickly goes to the hoop.They are clearly not duplicative offensively — Melo is the master of the mid-range game while Amare is a pnr finisher and pick and pop jump shooter.I do agree that Amare is very effective as a 5 so he should play the 5, with Melo at the 4, for 15 minutes a game while Chandler is on the bench.

      Damn Johno thanks. great points.

    70. Owen:
      If Melo can play the Nash role, than sure, Amare and Melo can work….

      It is amazing how much Boozer’s reputation has suffered of late. Not too long ago he was one of two stars on a tough Utah team. Now, he pretty much never gets mentioned as a star in the NBA and is totally overshadowed by Rose in Chicago.But he is having in some respects his strongest statistical season to date and has carried the Bulls in Rose’s absence

      And speaking of Rose, he is seeming more iverson-esque with each game the Bulls win without him. He actually played yesterday, going 1-13 and posting a -27 in 25 minutes. He is obviously hurt and I don’t hold that performance against him at all. But it’s hard to shake the feeling watching the Bulls play without him that he is the scorer getting credit for the talent of the players around him. I think their core of Boozer, Noah, Deng, with Gibson and Brewer and Korver as super solid role players, is easily a 50 win team without Rose.

      Owen:

      Melo playing the Nash role? Are you being totally facetious or what?

      You’re giving Rose a pass because of injury? How long do you give him a pass for? Where was this pass for Melo and Amar’e?

    71. I like Derrick Rose a lot – I think he’s good for the league, has a great attitude, and is willing to do anything to win (including not play, like last night). But as I’ve said on this board before – he really looks like a better-finishing version of a young Stephon Marbury. You wonder what a young Steph would have done if given the ridiculous frontcourt riches Chicago has. I mean, I don’t see Rose ever eating vaseline on camera, but their games are really quite similar.

      And re: how the media treats Rose – can you imagine what the media would do to Melo if he had a couple performances like he’s had the last 2 weeks. Oh wait – we’ve already seen that. “Melo’s selfish”, etc etc etc. Meanwhile, you could hardly keep Mike Breen from masturbating on television over Derrick Rose’s 8 for 26 last weekend.

      Really interesting to see how the media’s bias for/against certain players affects how they are covered. Where is the media hate for Deron Williams, who ran Jerry Sloan out of town, has thrown his teammates under the bus repeatedly in NJ, and won’t’ commit to anything in NJ?

    72. Shump is a part-time player, people haven’t seen him that much, and Rubio was really good. But I think we’ll be seeing a lot of Shump on these lists, starting next year.

    73. Howard getting a second opinion on his back: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7809257/orlando-magic-dwight-howard-get-second-opinion-back-injury

      As far as this silly Melo/Amar’e/Lin argument goes:

      It’s difficult to have a really talented offense that is perfectly synergistic. Do Wade and Lebron have significant “overlap” in skill-sets? Doesn’t that put Bosh in a marginal returns situation? Didn’t Pippen and Michael score in the same places? Don’t all of these guys need the ball to to be effective?

      Of course. But they all found ways to make each other better — to create easy baskets for each other.
      It shouldn’t be that difficult for the Knicks trio to make each other better. It will mean that Lin will need to have a pass first mind-set, Melo will need to look for his teammates more, and Amar’e will need to pass up a few really contested drives and kick it out once in awhile.

      Melo can get Amar’e a lot of great looks. Nene and Eduardo Najera had the best offensive years of their careers in part because they became great cutters off the double team.

      Cutting, getting the ball on the move, Amar’e should embrace those opportunities.

      I’m not sure if he had, because I’m not sure if Mike did any coaching at all when Melo posted up or isolated.

      But before Amar’e’s back went out we started to see him cut from the wing to the elbow when Melo had the ball… No one talks about this but it was really exciting.. We saw layups and fouls on these plays.

      Lin and Amar’e should complement each other.

      However, even if these three guys never play perfectly with each other, having three separate ways to generate and initiate offense is much harder to defend than having just one — offensive diversity becomes increasingly important as the level of the opponent’s defense improves, the import of the game increases and the amount of time to prepare increases.

      They don’t have to share all of their minutes on the floor together.

    74. I know I’ve said Dolan has made some awful moves for the Knicks however I think he wants to win as badly as any Knick fan. It’s just that the money he’s spend on this team and what he’s gotten in return is been poor. I think he needs to listen to KB before making any decisions in the offseason.

    75. Frank:
      I like Derrick Rose a lot – I think he’s good for the league, has a great attitude, and is willing to do anything to win (including not play, like last night).But as I’ve said on this board before – he really looks like a better-finishing version of a young Stephon Marbury.You wonder what a young Steph would have done if given the ridiculous frontcourt riches Chicago has.I mean, I don’t see Rose ever eating vaseline on camera, but their games are really quite similar.

      And re: how the media treats Rose – can you imagine what the media would do to Melo if he had a couple performances like he’s had the last 2 weeks. Oh wait – we’ve already seen that. “Melo’s selfish”, etc etc etc.Meanwhile, you could hardly keep Mike Breen from masturbating on television over Derrick Rose’s 8 for 26 last weekend.

      Really interesting to see how the media’s bias for/against certain players affects how they are covered.Where is the media hate for Deron Williams, who ran Jerry Sloan out of town, has thrown his teammates under the bus repeatedly in NJ, and won’t’ commit to anything in NJ?

      This

    76. Caleb:
      Shump is a part-time player, people haven’t seen him that much, and Rubio was really good. But I think we’ll be seeing a lot of Shump on these lists, starting next year.

      Rubio is third in steal percentage but I’m not sure it means he’s a good defender.

    77. I realize folks have to have something to talk about, but the hand wringing about whether Amare and Melo can coexist is unfounded. High usage guys don’t just show up and magically mesh. It didn’t happen with Miami, and it wasn’t going to happen here. Some people, such as myself, said from the beginning–when it was obvious that Chandler, Amare, Melo, and Lin would become the nucleus–that it would take several weeks or months before they’d start playing really well, but when they got it, they’d be deadly.

      And that has already played out. We’ve already seen what the experiment with Melo, Lin, and Amare looks like, right after Woodson took over. When Melo is actually playing defense, that combination produced dominating wins where no one had to have improbable 40 point games to win.

      It will be even better if Melo keeps up this high efficiency, but Melo isn’t taking any team to a championship, or deep in the playoffs, by himself. But we already know that’s not necessary. These guys are going to be good, really good. No trades necessary. No hand wringing necessary.

    78. formido:
      I realize folks have to have something to talk about, but the hand wringing about whether Amare and Melo can coexist is unfounded. High usage guys don’t just show up and magically mesh. It didn’t happen with Miami, and it wasn’t going to happen here. Some people, such as myself, said from the beginning–when it was obvious that Chandler, Amare, Melo, and Lin would become the nucleus–that it would take several weeks or months before they’d start playing really well, but when they got it, they’d be deadly

      It will be even better if Melo keeps up this high efficiency, but Melo isn’t taking any team to a championship, or deep in the playoffs, by himself. But we already know that’s not necessary. These guys are going to be good, really good. No trades necessary. No hand wringing necessary.

      Totally agree and I think Melo will have his most efficient offensive years of his career with Lin and Amar’e…

      AS far as what Melo’s doing now, 585 TS or so the last 10 games…. He had a 573 TS over a 95 game stretch (on extremely high usage, averaging 30 ppg) before the Nuggets traded for Iverson. They had a non-penetrating pass first point guard. That was before Melo developed his 3pt shot, too.

      It took Melo some time to adjust to Iverson, but his last 4 months with him were extremely efficient. I haven’t calculated his TS% but he shot over 50 from 2, 38 from 3 and 80 ft — probably above the 575 TS area. The same thing occurred with Melo and Billups before they both got injured in ’10.

      These aren’t cherry-picked samples, they clearly show a progression and adjustment to teammates.

      Melo will have his most efficient seasons with Lin because he’ll get a higher percentage of easy shots from his penetration.

      But Melo can keep this up for awhile even by himself. We can go back and look at 30-40 game stretches where he did this without much…

    79. ruruland:
      Howard getting a second opinion on his back: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7809257/orlando-magic-dwight-howard-get-second-opinion-back-injury

      However, even if these three guys never play perfectly with each other, having three separate ways to generate and initiate offense is much harder to defend than having just one — offensive diversity becomes increasingly important as the level of the opponent’s defense improves, the import of the game increases and the amount of time to prepare increases.

      They don’t have to share all of their minutes on the floor together.

      Cosign. So true.

    80. What freaking luck that my fantasy playoffs semi-final is this week and of course my best player is Dwight Howard.

    81. The way I see it a lot depends on Amare’s jumper. If that returns then all of a sudden the fit with Melo+Lin makes a lot smoother. He should be incredibly dangerous as a weakside player when the main action is for either Melo or Lin as he can space the floor if his man sags to the paint, or get the ball moving towards the hoop when the ball rotates.

      In my eyes the reason the fit hasn’t looked great is because Amare’s jumpshot has gone completely AWOL. His man frequently sags to the paint, making it harder for Melo to attack the hoop, and when the ball swings to Amare he hasn’t made the open look that is there for him. Frequently he hasn’t even had the confidence to take the shot and has instead waited for his man to close him out before trying to go past him.

      When Amare’s jumper is working he’s an incredibly diverse offensiev force and I don’t worry about how he fits with anyone. He can be effective in a lot of different ways. But when that jumper isn’t going he becomes extremely one dimensional on offense, a guy who is only really useful catching the ball moving towards the rim. That’s when I start to worry about the fit because he becomes a very narrowly useful offensive player, basically either he’s the pick man in a PnR, or he’s nothing. Hopefully the missing jumper is just an aberration.

    82. Carlos Boozer and David Lee are both the prototypical “garbage” point big men who score most effectively as late options in an offense. Boozer has consistently disappeared in the playoffs when he’s had a legit, bigger defender guarding him, to the point where he gets consistently benched at the end of games in favor of Taj Gibson and Omer Asik since he also happens to suck at defense. Chandler is already going to be taking most of the offensive rebound opportunities, there is no way those guys will be putting up more than 15 a game in this offense.

      Having both Stoudemire and Melo means this team is capable of having a legit primary option at all times on the floor, and when they play together they are both capable of spotting up and cutting off the ball extremely well. Amar’e has usually been quite good at the mid range jumper and he’s still deadly going to the rim on the move. Besides, the playoffs are almost entirely a game of matchups, this team is capable of running effective offensive sets around 5 different players (Lin, JR, Melo, Stat, and Chandler) who are capable of attacking good matchups against any team. Pounding the ball inside works a lot better against Miami than Chicago, for instance, so there is no need to play exactly the same against every opponent.

    83. thenamestsam:
      The way I see it a lot depends on Amare’s jumper. If that returns then all of a sudden the fit with Melo+Lin makes a lot smoother. He should be incredibly dangerous as a weakside player when the main action is for either Melo or Lin as he can space the floor if his man sags to the paint, or get the ball moving towards the hoop when the ball rotates.

      In my eyes the reason the fit hasn’t looked great is because Amare’s jumpshot has gone completely AWOL. His man frequently sags to the paint, making it harder for Melo to attack the hoop, and when the ball swings to Amare he hasn’t made the open look that is there for him. Frequently he hasn’t even had the confidence to take the shot and has instead waited for his man to close him out before trying to go past him.

      When Amare’s jumper is working he’s an incredibly diverse offensiev force and I don’t worry about how he fits with anyone. He can be effective in a lot of different ways. But when that jumper isn’t going he becomes extremely one dimensional on offense, a guy who is only really useful catching the ball moving towards the rim. That’s when I start to worry about the fit because he becomes a very narrowly useful offensive player, basically either he’s the pick man in a PnR, or he’s nothing. Hopefully the missing jumper is just an aberration.

      Great points and there’s really no reason to believe that Amar’e’s jumper won’t return. Let’s hope he progresses back towards the mean and gets really hot in the playoffs.

    84. Lin, Amare and Melo where 6-1 under Woodson and I remember both offense/defense where very good. The only missing was Melo offense.
      W-Portland all 3 shoot >=50% and Melo had the most shots.
      W-Indy only Lin had good night shooting of the 3 and again Melo had the most shots. Team shot 50% as whole though.
      W-@Indy Lin and Amare shoot >= 50% and Melo was decent 16pt for 5-13 shots. Again Melo had the most shots.
      W-Toronto Lin and Amare shoot >=50, but Melo was 5-15 and had the most shots.
      W-@Philly Only Amare shoot >=50, Melo (5-15) and Lin (4-17) both sucked. Lin shot most, defense kept in the game and Lin had 10-10 FT in 4th QT.
      L-@Toronto Only Amare shoot >=5 0and Melo took the most shots. First poor defensive game under Woodson
      W-Detroit Lin and Amare shoot >=50 and Melo 5-12 took the most shots.
      Two thing I like to points out.
      1) This is first time ALL YEAR Knicks beat a playoff team away (@Indy and @Philly)!!!!
      2) Both Lin and Amare offense was good under Woodson.
      Melo offense was really only missing link during this time. Except for one game Melo get most shot of starters which is way should be.
      It’s only 7 games, but if Melo played like he is now, is this championship team?
      My take Amare defense is the weak link still.

    85. I don’t know if I’m late to the party but I just read maybe the worst sports article ever (even worse than what I read on the Post):

      http://hoopshype.com/columns/rosen/stoudemire-and-lin-are-superfluous

      Here are the highlights:

      Melo makes Amare “superfluous”, and because of STAT’s uninsurable contract, he is virtually untradable and should be moved to the bench to back up Melo & Chandler.

      Lin is at best a back-up PG or a 3rd string PG behind (…get ready for this…) Shumpert and TD. He says TD has “dynamic upside” and is “learning to run an NBA offense” and he calls Shumpert a “dangerous perimeter shooter”. He goes on to advocate trading Lin so that we don’t give up on TD.

      I almost lost my mind. After I wrote a comment to dispute his claims, I read about 100 comments where people basically did the same thing.

    86. BigBlueAL:
      What freaking luck that my fantasy playoffs semi-final is this week and of course my best player is Dwight Howard.

      I am in the finals in my league and my best player is D12. My second best player is Kobe. Needless to say, I am currently getting creamed after having the best record in the regular season.

    87. Knicks better take this game seriously tonight, I’m a bit worried about a letdown in between Milwaukee and Miami.

      let’s get a game thread going! and if I don’t see it first, remember the proper first post:

      Fire Dolan!

      SHUMP SHUMP

    88. jon abbey:
      Knicks better take this game seriously tonight, I’m a bit worried about a letdown in between Milwaukee and Miami.

      let’s get a game thread going! and if I don’t see it first, remember the proper first post:

      Fire Dolan!

      SHUMP SHUMP

      I know what you’re saying, but I think we have to get used to the idea that this Knicks team is a good team, and good teams take care of business. While they may struggle with focus for parts of the game tonight, I expect us to put our foot down in the 2nd half and take care of business. They really can’t lose this one and I think this team has enough leadership at this point that they won’t let it slip.

    89. they didn’t against Toronto a few weeks ago, and these last few games took a lot out of them. we’ll see, hopefully I’m just being nervous for no reason.

    90. I have been up and down re: Stat. I know he was looking better before the recent back injury, but aside from the meshing issue, he looked seriously stiff for awhile. That stiffness manifested itself in horrible shooting, lots and lots of shots blocked and his hands also seemed stiff. His defense was honestly awful and his weak side defense disappeared. I agree that he will not nor really can be traded. Please consider that the stiffness could be caused by his bulging disk, rather than age/arthritis issues. Anyone of you folks who have sustained a serious back or neck injury know the drill. Stat is a very proud man. He has come back from a few serious injuries and has overcome stuff that most of us fortunately have not had to address in or lives. Some of you think that it is irrelevant that Stat came to the Knicks, said everything right, played some smoking ball and embraced New York. To me it is meaningful. Not only am I pulling for Stat as a dopey fan, I’m betting on him.

    91. Juany8: Carlos Boozer and David Lee are both the prototypical “garbage” point big men who score most effectively as late options in an offense. Boozer has consistently disappeared in the playoffs when he’s had a legit, bigger defender guarding him, to the point where he gets consistently benched at the end of games in favor of Taj Gibson and Omer Asik since he also happens to suck at defense. Chandler is already going to be taking most of the offensive rebound opportunities, there is no way those guys will be putting up more than 15 a game in this offense. Having both Stoudemire and Melo means this team is capable of having a legit primary option at all times on the floor, and when they play together they are both capable of spotting up and cutting off the ball extremely well. Amar’e has usually been quite good at the mid range jumper and he’s still deadly going to the rim on the move. Besides, the playoffs are almost entirely a game of matchups, this team is capable of running effective offensive sets around 5 different players (Lin, JR, Melo, Stat, and Chandler) who are capable of attacking good matchups against any team. Pounding the ball inside works a lot better against Miami than Chicago, for instance, so there is no need to play exactly the same against every opponent.

      Did you watch the season we ran the offense through him every play?

    92. ruruland: Rubio is third in steal percentage but I’m not sure it means he’s a good defender.

      He’s great – super-long, quick enough and smart. The Wolves didn’t fall off when he got hurt, because they missed his shooting.

    93. Frank:

      And re: how the media treats Rose – can you imagine what the media would do to Melo if he had a couple performances like he’s had the last 2 weeks. Oh wait – we’ve already seen that. “Melo’s selfish”, etc etc etc.Meanwhile, you could hardly keep Mike Breen from masturbating on television over Derrick Rose’s 8 for 26 last weekend.

      Unlike Owen, the New York media and the majority of the NY fanbase is not process-oriented. Winning is what matters, and Rose’s team wins a lot, whereas Melo, when he was putting up 3-17 nights, was not.

      I promise you, whether it’s right or not, if the Knicks make the playoffs and win some games, no one will be calling Melo selfish (whether he is or not :)

    94. jon abbey:
      they didn’t against Toronto a few weeks ago, and these last few games took a lot out of them. we’ll see, hopefully I’m just being nervous for no reason.

      We are Knick fans, there is no such thing as being nervous/worried for no reason lol

    95. Maybe next season we could see Amare and Melo co-exist effectively on offense but i wouldn’t count on it happening in the playoffs. Anytime STAT has had a prolonged absence from the court, it has taken him at the very least a week or so to get any kind of rhythm back. Coming off a back injury and missing 5+ weeks, reincorporating STAT back into the offense isnt gonna be pretty. I would expect to see lots of rust and long periods of invisibility

    96. Tufumbo: Maybe next season we could see Amare and Melo co-exist effectively on offense but i wouldn’t count on it happening in the playoffs. Anytime STAT has had a prolonged absence from the court, it has taken him at the very least a week or so to get any kind of rhythm back. Coming off a back injury and missing 5+ weeks, reincorporating STAT back into the offense isnt gonna be pretty. I would expect to see lots of rust and long periods of invisibility

      Which is why we need to face the Pacers before the Bulls.

    97. Z-101- Really interesting observations. I think you’re on to something there– Eli Manning and contrast Patrick Ewing. Eli will never be vilified again in NY. Two rings does that and I believe Coughlin is the new Bishop. But there are many exceptions, such as John Starks. You know, 3/18 and still adored. Years and years ago, it was Action Jackson. Why? NY also loves the underdog and the hustler. Shump, Shump, Shump, Shump. Watch the video when he was drafted. Pure soul. Melo is a different cat. If instead of smiling, Melo wore a hair shirt, or people understood his own trials and tribulations, he would be embraced a bit more. Also with Melo, expectations were really high (properly), so there’s that also . His swag needs to conform to his performance. Right? Has it? Probably not yet, but I think it will. If he keeps carrying this team, he will be loved.

    98. wow, Shump played the entire second half against Milwaukee, didn’t realize that. what a stud that kid is.

    99. daJudge:
      John Starks.You know, 3/18 and still adored…

      If ONLY he’d gone 3-18, we’d probably have a banner up at MSG today :)

    100. Z—Was it worse than that? [Yiddish word or English profanity here.] I remember watching it and being crushed and hating Starks for awhile and the coach for leaving him in (think, JR). Anyway, I trust you know what I mean. Hey, let’s just take this game tonight and rock.

    101. Z: If ONLY he’d gone 3-18, we’d probably have a banner up at MSG today :)

      starks was adored way before the 3-18 game. It was a different era. Hard nosed defensive basketball. The knicks consistently were underdogs against the juggernaut bulls. So yeah, starks was very easy to relate to and root for.

    102. jon abbey: heh, nice first quarter. signs of life from Baron!

      1 3 off in and out, a pick and roll drive where both guys stayed with Melo (and those are the plays Baron needs to make) and I forgot the third one.

    103. I’m invoking the JVG’s Korver Rule – If Novak blocks your shot, you have to sit in a penalty box for two minutes.

    104. lol first second i watch, baron subs in then jacks a contested 3. of course we know the result.

    105. Roger Mason getting revenge on us. Hah, how come he couldn’t play like this during the Boston series.

    106. No game thread?
      Also, anyone got an online link for the game? League pass blacked out in dc and I don’t get local wiz channel

    107. Baron Davis please sit. I would be happy with Jeremy Lin on one fucking leg than this shit.

    108. Frank O.:
      No game thread?
      Also, anyone got an online link for the game? League pass blacked out in dc and I don’t get local wiz channel

      firstrowsports [DOT] eu

    109. TheXman:
      Baron Davis please sit.I would be happy with Jeremy Lin on one fucking leg than this shit.

      It is almost like he just decides ok I am going to feed Chandler yes or yes at all costs no matter what….he makes up his mind and that is that…when he gets into the lane…amazingly, he seems to still be adroit at getting by his defender somehow, but then he just forces passes.

    110. Baron’s shot is at least falling. So far his performance is infinitely better than what we’ve seen in the last week.

    111. TheXman: Baron’s shot is at least falling. So far his performance is infinitely better than what we’ve seen in the last week.

      That’s all this team needs for now.

    112. Yea take care of some business out there boys. Stretch the lead going into the 4th, get Toney some burn.

    113. When we get good guard play Melo gets some easy baskets and it really liberates the whole offense because it isn’t so predictable.

    114. Despite the maddening play or two Baron is playing very well. Maybe I’m nuts but Melo lately has been so ho hum good, like Tyson, talking much about him would be like commenting on the sun coming up in the morning.

    115. people criticize Baron no matter what he does, it’s like you’ve never seen him play before this year. his style isn’t conventional, he’s had a lot of awful stretches, but he’s playing pretty well tonight.

    116. massive:
      Toronto is beating Boston?!

      without Bargnani and Calderon, no less.

      Simmons talked today about how great this last two weeks will play, I think there’s going to be a lot of dreadful basketball as some teams tank and others rest for the playoffs.

    117. jon abbey: people criticize Baron no matter what he does, it’s like you’ve never seen him play before this year. his style isn’t conventional, he’s had a lot of awful stretches, but he’s playing pretty well tonight.

      I just think people want to see better decisions.

      I’m with you on the cause of what appear to be bad decisions. He’s playing very well tonight. But we need him to play like this in important games.

      He really is getting into the lane nicely. We’ll need that against Miami and Boston.

    118. reporting that Dwight Howard will be out another 10 days, maybe ruru’s dream will happen after all.

    119. jon abbey:
      people criticize Baron no matter what he does, it’s like you’ve never seen him play before this year. his style isn’t conventional, he’s had a lot of awful stretches, but he’s playing pretty well tonight.

      I actually really like Baron…I am convinced he is injured as I was that Melo was playing through injury earlier in season and not just dogging it (though I think he didn’t exactly give full effort under MDA). The thing is what we need from baron is to hit open outside shots (more than we could ever expect from TD or Bibb) and not turn the ball over….I really expected him to take care of the ball…I think come playoff time hopefully he will be more prudent with the basketball, but so far he has really been committing a lot of foolish turnovers in his tenure so far as a Knick….he doesn’t even have to be anywhere near spectacular…just run PNR, get to rim, and do NOT turn ball over.

    120. ruruland: I just think people want to see better decisions.

      I’m with you on the cause of what appear to be bad decisions. He’s playing very well tonight. But we need him to play like this in important games.

      some of it is the back to back games, at least he won’t have to deal with that in the playoffs.

      go Gerald Green!

    121. JLam:
      Raptors up 57-47 on the Celtics at the end of the 3rd Q

      This is important in terms of tie breaker vs. them…division record..if we beat them next week and somehow catch them, we might actually end up with tie breaker for division record.

    122. art vandelay: This is important in terms of tie breaker vs. them…division record..if we beat them next week and somehow catch them, we might actually end up with tie breaker for division record.

      oh, good point. go Toronto!

    123. jon abbey: reporting that Dwight Howard will be out another 10 days, maybe ruru’s dream will happen after all.

      It really wouldn’t be all that improbable of a deal.

      3-5 isn’t a totally anomalous 8 game stretch for a team like Orlando — not with its schedule, injuries and locker room. It might even be a somewhat favorable projection.

      The Knicks going 7-1? As I see it, they just need to go 3-1 in their tough games — three of them are at home (Clippers, Boston, Miami) Atlanta is on the road.

      It would take very good play, but if this teams wants to win in the playoffs, they’ll pull it off. Maybe they’ll get lucky and one of the teams will finish with 30 losses.

    124. good point by clyde about how Shump needs to learn how to draw contact when he takes ball to rim.

    125. massive:
      Happy Birthday Baron Davis!

      Your pal, John Wall.

      talk about the luck involved in having the #1 pick during the right draft….a few years later and wiz would have gotten irving…I don’t think Wall will ever be a winning player from what I have seen from him up to now.

    126. shump is a tough athletic kid, but he sure does get blocked a lot around the hoop. He doesn’t seem to have the ability to adjust his body in the air like the great finishers of the game.

    127. “too much one-on-one from carmelo anthony there”
      -Mike breen

      amazing how an announcer establishes a bias driven primarily by the media and just sticks with it…..I am sure if Rose had done the same thing he would have been bemoaning the lack of support from his teammates.

    128. art vandelay: talk about the luck involved in having the #1 pick during the right draft….a few years later and wiz would have gotten irving…I don’t think Wall will ever be a winning player from what I have seen from him up to now.

      I think John Wall is a victim of being a Wizard. There is so little talent on that team, it’s ridiculous. John Wall’s game isn’t scoring; it’s pushing the tempo, defense, and setting other player’s up. He has to be the offense’s #1 scorer, and that’s why he’s been playing so poorly. I mean, seriously, Javale McGee and Nick Young were his best teammates. If he was traded for Jeremy Lin, straight up, he’d be more than capable of setting up our guys and putting pressure on defenders. If only Rashard Lewis and Nene actually cared anymore, people would have a much better impression of him.

    129. ruruland: It really wouldn’t be all that improbable of a deal.

      3-5 isn’t a totally anomalous 8 game stretch for a team like Orlando — not with its schedule, injuries and locker room. It might even be a somewhat favorable projection.

      The Knicks going 7-1? As I see it, they just need to go 3-1 in their tough games — three of them are at home (Clippers, Boston, Miami) Atlanta is on the road.

      It would take very good play, but if this teams wants to win in the playoffs, they’ll pull it off. Maybe they’ll get lucky and one of the teams will finish with 30 losses.

      Just looking at Orlando’s schedule, without DH it’s could conceivable they win just one more game this season.
      Finishing in the six seed would make a world of difference.

    130. massive: I think John Wall is a victim of being a Wizard. There is so little talent on that team, it’s ridiculous. John Wall’s game isn’t scoring; it’s pushing the tempo, defense, and setting other player’s up. He has to be the offense’s #1 scorer, and that’s why he’s been playing so poorly. I mean, seriously, Javale McGee and Nick Young were his best teammates. If he was traded for Jeremy Lin, straight up, he’d be more than capable of setting up our guys and putting pressure on defenders. If only Rashard Lewis and Nene actually cared anymore, people would have a much better impression of him.

      If we traded for him he would be the next Melo…..the stats guy would absolutely annihilate him.

    131. llcoolbp: It didn’t look like a terrible sprain. They probably are just keeping him out as a precaution now that it’s a blowout.

      Right. He was about to go right back in the game. I think he’ll be okay.

    132. The sixers and orlando lost. The celts are down 1 with 20 seconds. Man if they could lose also, we would on’y be 3 back of the celts and orlando.

    133. Shoot no game thread….

      What’s more humiliating. How the Wiz are playing tonight or the fact that no one thought them worthy of a game thread?

      There are definitely worse teams to be a fan of….

    134. er:
      I’m so worried about that one ankles can b tricky…I wouldn’t mind him missing the heat game

      if he misses the heat game it is the same as basically forfeiting the game…we are going to guard LBJ and wade without our best perimeter defender somehow?

    135. Owen:
      Shoot no game thread….

      What’s more humiliating. How the Wiz are playing tonight or the fact that no one thought them worthy of a game thread?

      There are definitely worse teams to be a fan of….

      What about getting “FORTY-EIGHT” chanted at you with 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter?

    136. art vandelay: If we traded for him he would be the next Melo…..the stats guy would absolutely annihilate him.

      I think the only reason the stats guys annihilated Melo is because we gave up what we thought was a king’s ransom to get him, and then paid him what they think is too much. I, too, disliked the trade at the time because it really did seem like a lot for somebody who isn’t elite and couldn’t improve much.

      I don’t think the stats guys would annihilate a Wall for Lin deal; Wall’s on a rookie deal, we’d only be giving up one player, and he be a competent, mid-usage distributor who can lock up on defense. He’s not the scorer Lin is (and probably never will be), but I have no doubt he’d be a good fit. All of this is academic, though, as it would never happen.

    137. rohank:
      Anyone know what the crowd was chanting?

      Forty seven, forty seven……for the score they were stuck on for a long time. got to love the msg crowd.

    138. We are going to be 3 back of Celtics and Magic, this is great for us. I really dont wish to meet Bulls or Heat in the first round.

    139. I remember a time, not too long ago, where the Knicks would have let teams as bad as the Wizards score 80.

    140. What’s bugging me for years is what is Jon Abbeys avatar? I keep thinking an obscure Bugs Bunny character. In honor of Baron Davis’ great game and birthday could someone unsolved this riddle.

    141. massive:
      I remember a time, not too long ago, where the Knicks would have let teams as bad as the Wizards score 80.

      It is unbelievable to think this team lost home games at start of season to the likes of Charlotte and Toronto…I have to attribute it to motivation and to the lockout.

    142. art vandelay: It is unbelievable to think this team lost home games at start of season to the likes of Charlotte and Toronto…I have to attribute it to motivation and to the lockout.

      More than that. Shump was missing games. No JR Smith, no Novak. Walker, Douglas, Bibby were getting a ton of minutes and playing atrociously on both ends. Not beating dead horse with Melo and Amar’e but obviously huge as well.

    143. ruruland: More than that. Shump was missing games. No JR Smith, no Novak. Walker, Douglas, Bibby were getting a ton of minutes and playing atrociously on both ends. Not beating dead horse with Melo and Amar’e but obviously huge as well.

      well, you are completely correct in terms of misallocation of minutes….they were giving minutes to the wrong personnel, the same thing happened last season in Memphis (tony allen hardly playing, same with darrell arthur) and they made a strong postseason run once they got on track and started to allocate minutes to most efficient players, so I can only hope the same happens with Knicks during the playoffs this year.

    144. ruruland: More than that. Shump was missing games. No JR Smith, no Novak. Walker, Douglas, Bibby were getting a ton of minutes and playing atrociously on both ends. Not beating dead horse with Melo and Amar’e but obviously huge as well.

      In retrospect that’s as good a summary as any. The coach as well which depending on your take would go to the effort comment you responded to.

    145. Doug Collins, Captain of the Titanic, halftime speech:

      “Guys, we HAVE the iceberg in sight. I say FULL SPEED AHEAD!”

    146. Nick C.:
      What’s bugging me for years is what is Jon Abbeys avatar? I keep thinking an obscure Bugs Bunny character. In honor of Baron Davis’ great game and birthday could someone unsolved this riddle.

      it’s funny because I did do a CD cover involving Bugs at one point, but this is an LP not on my label, just a good image for an online forum, I’ve always thought:

      http://www.discogs.com/Pita-Get-Down/release/38051

    147. ruruland: Holy Shit folks

      well, that is our opportunity to grab the 6th seed…we’ll see if they can do it…3 games back with 7 to play….will be difficult…they basically have to go 6-1 to make it happen.

    148. StatsTeacher:
      Doug Collins, Captain of the Titanic, halftime speech:

      “Guys, we HAVE the iceberg in sight.I say FULL SPEED AHEAD!”

      I watched the end of this game, Philly cares so little. they got a huge jump on everyone because they returned the same 8 man rotation and they played together during the lockout, but they have totally tuned out Collins now.

    149. jon abbey: I watched the end of this game, Philly cares so little. they got a huge jump on everyone because they returned the same 8 man rotation and they played together during the lockout, but they have totally tuned out Collins now.

      absolutely agreed….I have been saying for the last week that philly will likely miss playoffs and bucks may actually make it in their stead.

    150. I watched it too, they have no one to go to. I am late (obviously) coming to the Knicks as a fan, but what I can tell is the Knicks, as constructed and healthy now year will be a high seed next year. Lot going on now, very exciting last 6-8 games.

      I watched the end of this game, Philly cares so little. they got a huge jump on everyone because they returned the same 8 man rotation and they played together during the lockout, but they have totally tuned out Collins now.

    151. StatsTeacher: Doug Collins, Captain of the Titanic, halftime speech:“Guys, we HAVE the iceberg in sight. I say FULL SPEED AHEAD!”

      You hear that piece on NPR today?

    152. jon abbey: I watched the end of this game, Philly cares so little. they got a huge jump on everyone because they returned the same 8 man rotation and they played together during the lockout, but they have totally tuned out Collins now.

      Where’s Owen to talk about how much better Iggy is than Melo?

      That team can’t score.

    153. @ Jon sorry about mangling your quote — I highly recommend the lime for the Corona. . . . . .

    154. Deron Williams on facing Boston, Heat and Knicks at Prudential Center the next five days: “We have three road games in a row coming up.”

      -sounds like a guy dying to continue being a Net next year!!! hahaha

    155. Wow that is big news on Howard. What disaster of a second half for him.

      Orlando has a pretty tough schedule- easily could lose 5 out of their last 7 games. We have the tiebreaker on the, so we would have to go 5-2. That is doable.

    156. Anyone else see a resemblance between Carmelo in the denim jacket and one of our greatest Americans, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.?

    157. JLam:
      Kiss the Magic season over. Howard is out with herniated disc.

      On MSG:

      Al Trautwig: “Dwight Howard has a… wait for it…”
      *Alan Hahn and Kelly Tripucka both cringe, cover their ears*
      Al: “…bulging DISK.”
      *Alan and Kelly exhale with relief*

    158. art vandelay:
      Deron Williams on facing Boston, Heat and Knicks at Prudential Center the next five days: “We have three road games in a row coming up.”

      -sounds like a guy dying to continue being a Net next year!!! hahaha

      It’s funny, because it’s true!

    159. Watching the Knuggs/Lakers game. When did Gallo’s three point stroke get so shitty? It’s a flat-footed line drive now.

    160. Doug:
      Watching the Knuggs/Lakers game. When did Gallo’s three point stroke get so shitty? It’s a flat-footed line drive now.

      sucks that ESPN is showing Dallas/Portland instead of this.

    161. jon abbey: sucks that ESPN is showing Dallas/Portland instead of this.

      Let me know if you want league pass. Only a few games left but I;ve got the 5 team deal that lets you see Denver.

    162. StatsTeacher:
      Doug Collins, Captain of the Titanic, halftime speech:

      “Guys, we HAVE the iceberg in sight.I say FULL SPEED AHEAD!”

      gotta love the knickblogger

    163. art vandelay:
      Deron Williams on facing Boston, Heat and Knicks at Prudential Center the next five days: “We have three road games in a row coming up.”

      -sounds like a guy dying to continue being a Net next year!!! hahaha

      it just keeps getting better

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