Knicks Morning News (2022.07.30)

  • Last Call? Knicks Target Donovan Mitchell Labeled ‘Former Player’ in Utah – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Friday, July 29, 2022 10:46:17 PM

    Last Call? Knicks Target Donovan Mitchell Labeled ‘Former Player’ in Utah  Sports IllustratedDonovan Mitchell trade rumors: Talks between Jazz, Knicks have stalled, per report  CBS SportsHawks being listed as Knicks’ competition for Donovan Mitchell is a joke  Daily KnicksKnicks can still land Donovan Mitchell despite latest setback  ClutchPointsProposed Trade Sees Knicks Land $196 Million Superstar  Heavy.comView Full Coverage on Google News

  • WATCH: Isaiah Hartenstein’s Fianc?e Talks Move to Knicks on TikTok – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Friday, July 29, 2022 10:39:41 PM

    WATCH: Isaiah Hartenstein’s Fianc?e Talks Move to Knicks on TikTok  Sports Illustrated

  • Former Bulls And Knicks Guard Is Still A Free Agent – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Friday, July 29, 2022 6:59:18 PM

    Former Bulls And Knicks Guard Is Still A Free Agent  Sports Illustrated

  • Gonzaga-bound Ratfield leads Novato Knicks’ college commitments – Marin Independent Journal
    [www.marinij.com] — Friday, July 29, 2022 6:30:08 PM

    Gonzaga-bound Ratfield leads Novato Knicks’ college commitments  Marin Independent Journal

  • New York Knicks Star Sends Out Intriguing Tweet – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Friday, July 29, 2022 2:00:00 PM

    New York Knicks Star Sends Out Intriguing Tweet  Sports IllustratedKnicks should avoid giving up Quentin Grimes in a Donovan Mitchell trade  Daily KnicksWhere Do The New York Knicks Go From Here?  ForbesKnicks Minimum Contracts to Pursue as Late NBA Free Agency Steals  Bleacher ReportWould Donovan Mitchell to the Knicks Be Melo 2.0?  The RingerView Full Coverage on Google News

  • NBA Rumors: 3 Intriguing Julius Randle Trades For The Knicks – NBA Analysis Network
    [nbaanalysis.net] — Friday, July 29, 2022 1:59:03 PM

    NBA Rumors: 3 Intriguing Julius Randle Trades For The Knicks  NBA Analysis Network

  • Still in trade limbo, Kevin Durant releases ‘NYC Point Gods – The Washington Post
    [www.washingtonpost.com] — Friday, July 29, 2022 12:27:00 PM

    Still in trade limbo, Kevin Durant releases ‘NYC Point Gods  The Washington Post

  • 2022 NBA Free Agency Tracker: James Harden, 76ers agree to two-year deal; Raptors sign Juancho Hernangomez – CBS Sports
    [www.cbssports.com] — Friday, July 29, 2022 12:13:48 PM

    2022 NBA Free Agency Tracker: James Harden, 76ers agree to two-year deal; Raptors sign Juancho Hernangomez  CBS Sports

  • Showtime’s ‘NYC Point Gods’ relishes city’s point guards, from Bob Cousy to Kenny ‘The Jet’ Smith to Sue Bird – CBS Sports
    [www.cbssports.com] — Friday, July 29, 2022 11:28:09 AM

    Showtime’s ‘NYC Point Gods’ relishes city’s point guards, from Bob Cousy to Kenny ‘The Jet’ Smith to Sue Bird  CBS Sports

  • Former Sixers Guard Myles Powell Finds a New Team – Yardbarker
    [www.yardbarker.com] — Friday, July 29, 2022 10:28:40 AM

    Former Sixers Guard Myles Powell Finds a New Team  Yardbarker

  • NBA trade market is stalled: What it means for Knicks and rest of league – The Athletic
    [theathletic.com] — Friday, July 29, 2022 10:03:45 AM

    NBA trade market is stalled: What it means for Knicks and rest of league  The Athletic

  • Jalen Brunson can be the guard the Knicks have always needed – SB Nation
    [www.sbnation.com] — Friday, July 29, 2022 8:00:00 AM

    Jalen Brunson can be the guard the Knicks have always needed  SB Nation

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    40 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2022.07.30)”

    1. From Hoopsrumors.com – Players Who Can’t Be Traded Until…
      December 15: Jalen Brunson, Isaiah Hartenstein, Jericho Sims;
      January 15: Mitchell Robinson;

    2. Jalen Brunson was very active on twitter yesterday and among his tweets there was this one:
      (replying to this tweet) Why u pick #11 my dude?
      (he answered) The French Prince gave me his blessing s/o the birthday boy @FrankLikina
      So cool! :D

    3. I have to admit i don’t watch Macri/Cohen so close to know everything about them, but i thought Macri was the optimist and Cohen the realist. Well, this tweet clearly doesn’t belong on team realist.

      Jeremy Cohen @TheCohencidence:
      If there’s a belief within the FO that RJ will reach his potential, the Knicks should max RJ
      If the Knicks think another team would max RJ as a RFA, the Knicks should max RJ
      If any contract signed now seems small in 2025 when the salary cap spikes, the Knicks should max RJ

      I still have the same opinion about RJ, he did nothing to earn a max until now, we should challenge him to prove it this season, and next summer we’ll know better what to do. And we have the Randle extension as a warning for this.

    4. Cohen is not the realist. He is the one who is on board with virtually every move the front office makes, or at least can find a way to justify it. Macri is also super optimistic, but seems more willing to acknowledge when things are bad. And he was skeptical of RJ for a long time before getting on the bandwagon this past season.

    5. I will stand by my take from months ago and state that RJ will get the post rookie-scale max, and will come close to deserving it. He’s going to be a force for us this year, I can feel it.

    6. I think RJ will benefit a lot from having an actual PG consistently for once. Only problem is a PG cant fix his horrendous FT shooting and mediocre finishing.

    7. RJ making a huge leap is exactly what this team needs. About Randle, i’d prefer he was elsewhere, because even if he plays well, imo what he can do to be a good player will not help the new direction of our team. I don’t understand why Ainge hasn’t thought about getting Randle. They’ll be tanking and so they can give him the keys to the offense, like we did in 2020-21. If he has a season close to that one, then Ainge will be able to flip him for good assets more aligned with Utah’s new winning curve.

    8. If Randle has a bounce back year and RJ has a monster year, we might be able to beat Golden State in the Finals!

    9. You’d think Cohen as the capologist over there would be less enthusiastic about maxing RJ.

      Also don’t see how RJ is ever worth the max unless the cap jump is insane. Even then you should get him for less.

    10. I know there’s lots of folks who think that maxing RJ is a bad idea. I certainly can’t argue definitively that it’s a good idea out of context, but this particular team needs at least some continuity and commitment, and breaking the pattern of not re-signing our first round picks is part of that “build a family” feel. I have confidence (and I think the FO feels the same way) that RJ’s floor is a very solid two-way starter and that he has considerably more upside than that. He’s going to finish better and his 3pt shooting seems like it can hold steady in the mid-high 30’s. Right now his USG% is outpacing his abilities, but I expect the efficiency to catch up, especially with Brunson out there with him.

      The Andrew Wiggins comparison is sort of fair, but I think that RJ has more of an alpha personality and will get better faster than Wiggins did. And even at his lowest value, Wiggins plus a first got a pretty good player in return.

    11. Yeah the Wiggins comp is fair. But it only works if you’ve already drafted Steph.

    12. If Randle has a bounce back year and RJ has a monster year, we might be able to beat Golden State in the Finals!

      LOL! Welcome to the offseason, when everything is possible because we don’t have games to prove us wrong. At least for now we can dream of how great the Knicks will be. :)

    13. “I’m bullish on Randle, he’s going to have a good year wherever he is.”

      you must be long bitcoin as well…

    14. I can see this team being a physical team that opponents don’t like playing and where Randall fits in well; but I can also see possible trouble forming where they don’t really know how to help each other be good. So I am torn in my expectations.

    15. FWIW, the recent Hollinger article in the Athletic regarding the looming cap spike reduced some of my anxiety about an RJ max: https://theathletic.com/3448724/2022/07/26/jaylen-brown-r-j-barrett-nba-salary-cap/

      The long and short of it is since we’re staring down a $200M cap, RJ wouldn’t have to take quite as big a leap as I thought to return some value.

      I still see no reason to bid against ourselves though and it makes by far the most sense to let him hit restricted free agency. I understand the risk of that generating some bad blood but these are the kind of tradeoffs you have to make when a player, well, hasn’t been very good.

      I know Jeremy Cohen personally (we went to the same Hebrew school, lol) and I definitely wouldn’t describe him as an unbridled optimist. I think he simply thinks RJ is a mortal lock to maintain trade value at the rookie max given everything Hollinger laid out.

      I disagree and think there’s more of a risk than some people realize that RJ’s development really hits a wall and he develops an albatross reputation. Wiggins’ contract wasn’t universally panned until a year or two after he signed it, these things can happen quickly.

    16. I would be super happy for Julius Randle if he found success on one of the 29 teams I don’t root for

    17. “I still see no reason to bid against ourselves though and it makes by far the most sense to let him hit restricted free agency. I understand the risk of that generating some bad blood but these are the kind of tradeoffs you have to make when a player, well, hasn’t been very good”

      There is definitely more risk than with some other guys, but for me it’s a risk worth taking given this team’s still iffy reputation. You either think RJ is an integral part of the team going forward or you don’t, and if you do, the nickel and diming is not productive. There’s no rush, of course, and RJ should come out of the box strong to confirm that he’s somewhat improved over last year, but the guy just turned 22, has shown reasonably long stretches of excellent 2-way play, and has a great personality for NY. Give him the money and trust that he will do everything possible to earn it. Ultimately I think most of us will be happy with him locked up on a mini-max for 5 years.

    18. “thenoblefacehumper
      July 30, 2022 at 12:01 pm
      I would be super happy for Julius Randle if he found success on one of the 29 teams I don’t root for”

      I don’t think anyone here is clamoring for Julius to remain on the team, but it is probably the most likely scenario. So in that case, what would you prefer, that he sucks again and becomes an albatross or that he plays well and is a big reason why we make the playoffs again?

    19. “Give him the money and trust that he will do everything possible to earn it.”

      The option to simply wait one more season before making this decision is just sitting right there. We would be lucky to find ourselves in a position in which RJ has become so good we’re worried we pissed him off by doing this. I think it’s far more likely we regret prematurely maxing him than it is that we regret waiting one more season to max him.

      I mean, Colin Sexton has been objectively better than RJ and no one is blaming the Cavs for the way they’re handling his contract.

      “So in that case, what would you prefer, that he sucks again and becomes an albatross or that he plays well and is a big reason why we make the playoffs again?”

      The latter, but I don’t think it’s likely because it seems like fans will be in the stands.

    20. “I mean, Colin Sexton has been objectively better than RJ and no one is blaming the Cavs for the way they’re handling his contract.”

      Sexton has a significant knee injury and another player at his position that is better than him. Totally different scenario. I’d put RJ in the category of guys like Devin and De’Aaron…guys you max on faith but who haven’t necessarily earned it (RJ hasn’t put up numbers as good as those guys did but is a much better 2-way guy than Booker was and shoots at least as well as Fox did at that age.

    21. There’s no rush, of course, and RJ should come out of the box strong to confirm that he’s somewhat improved over last year

      You can’t do this, you have to extend him before the beginning of the regular season.

    22. Let me rephrase, I hope he either gets an offer he is happy with and signs (and if the offer is the max I’m okay with it) or no deal is reached and he bets on himself and has a breakout year next year, and then signs for the max (or we match an offer sheet.)

    23. According to Hollinger, the rookie max will make RJ paid like an average starter. I don’t think RJ will ever be an average starter.

      But if that’s the cap math, it’s still worth the risk.

    24. Unless you think it’s going to create a Gordon Hayward situation where he will leave at the first opportunity for the insult of not being taken care of right now, I think the only move that makes sense is to wait. You tell RJ, “We love you. We love how hard you work and how much time grown your game over the last three seasons. Grow it some more this season and we will pay you as much as we possibly can.” And if he does not play like someone deserving of a max (or close to it), then you find him a new home next summer.

    25. So lotsa talk about RJ and his current status and will he even be average, and I really haven’t bothered, so I just did a little bothering.

      Turns out RJ is almost perfectly average. He’s 6′ 6″, which is the exact average NBA player. He weighs in at 214, which is exactly one pound less than the NBA average of 215.

      The average NBA player shot .354 from three last year. RJ hit .342 last year, which is shouting distance. His career average, however, is .357, which puts him a smidge above average.

      NBA average free throw was .775, RJ was at .714, loud shouting distance? Career average .697, no help there.

      NBA FG% average was .461, RJ was at .404. Ouch. Career average doesn’t help much (.418).

      NBA eFG% was .532. RJ was at .466. Very ouch. Again, career average doesn’t help much (,472).

      But RJ’s TOV% was 9.9, compared to the league average of 12.3. So he doesn’t turn the ball over that much (Julius, for those wondering, was at 14.7 last year).

      So I disagree. RJ Barrett is already a perfectly average NBA player, physically. He just kinda sucks at playing is all.

    26. Wouldn’t mind watching what our high usage “stattrash duet” can do with a decent pg!

    27. RJ Barrett is 24th in BPM and 39th in VORP in his draft class! He is nowhere near a max extension player.

    28. If DeRozan, Wiggins, Randle can play efficiently under the right circumstances so can RJ
      Is it worth waiting and paying for it?

      If you can’t trade him for someone better maybe it does

    29. Whoever recommended Disgrace by Coetzee I appreciate it. Was a nice read. That book isn’t exactly on the reading list of Team Optimism.

    30. “But I do want to emphasize that it’s average starter.”

      Oh fine, create impossible hurdles for the poor kid…

    31. RJ right now is worth something like 8 million a year, maybe less. You play out the season and if it turns out he’s taken a leap and is wort real money you pay it otherwise thanks for the memories.

    32. ***Whoever recommended Disgrace by Coetzee I appreciate it.***

      I got a copy and read it this week too, per the suggestions of this board. Reminded me of the Phillip Roth books I used to be enamored with, way back in the days when I used to be an actual Knick fan (The Dying Animal; Human Stain; etc). Pondered the takeaway, given the mode of which the book came to me. Concluded that Prof Lurie should have just said “how’s it goingk?” at his antiquation trial, and that the statistically homely but accessible RJ Barrett is the Bev Shaw y’all are gonna have to ultimately just settle for despite your desires for greatness and glory.

    33. We should just make KB a book club over summer. I’ll try and read it next week

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