Knicks Morning News (2022.07.29)

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    1. The concise definition of “insurrection” is certainly broad enough to apply to what happened on January 6. It’s is extremely intellectually dishonest to argue otherwise. It is certainly valid to argue about its root causes, severity, organizational efficacy, culpability, short-term and long-term aims, where it stacks up historically, justification, etc. But there is irrefutable evidence that it was an effort to prevent the certification of the election on that day (which it did, the certification took place after midnight), and that nearly every participant was hoping to disrupt the process (again, which they did.) Let’s not forget that 147 members of congress voted against continuing the process of certifying the election results.

      And I agree Donnie’s logic in comparing Jan 6 to July 14. While the rioters were largely not successful in their goal, they represented a sentiment that is present in over 100 million Americans who still approve of what they did, who continue to buy into the lies being spewed by Trump and Trumpists, who believe that all the Republicans testifying and on the Committee are traitors to their “Cause”. They were not present in body but definitely in spirit.

      And that Cause is still out there, fervently believed by tens of millions of heavily armed citizens (I would love to see a statistic of the percentage of AR-15’s are owned by Trumpists.) What’s going on right now is not all that different than what went on in the 30-year leadup to the American Civil War. The grievance over this “stolen” election is not going away any time soon, and again, the side with the grievance is heavily armed compared with the rest of the citizenry. That’s really scary to me.

    2. It looks like (Insider website) that of the 822 guilty pleas to date, three have been for seditious conspiracy. The vast majority are for the functional equivalent of trespassing.

      As to Z’s other point, yes, of course this looks like the runup to the (American) Civil War. The country is hopelessly divided and lives effectively in two different worlds, and now with the competing internet echo chambers there doesn’t look like there’s any reason to think that will change. It will probably worsen. There’s big money in keeping the populace on edge and feeding their endorphin addictions. If the geography was as simple as it was in 1860, we’d have probably already divorced. That doesn’t scare me so much as make me sad.

    3. Re: Knicks, I hate to say it but the player on the current Knicks with the most “physical” potential to be a star is Cam Reddish. He has the tools and skills to be a dominant player on both ends. If you could implant Jimmy Butler’s brain into Cam’s body, you’d have the makings of an all-time great player. Alas…

      That said, I truly wonder whether Thibs feels that he can light some kind of a fire in Cam. He showed some glimpses of excellent play in his 215 minutes…and nearly killed himself on a hustle play.

      I’d love to see a bench mob of Cam, IQ, Obi, Hart and Grimes playing fast and loose for 15-20 mpg.

    4. t looks like (Insider website) that of the 822 guilty pleas to date, three have been for seditious conspiracy. The vast majority are for the functional equivalent of trespassing.

      The functional equivalent of trespassing charges are the charges I would expect to be resolved quickly so this statistic could change over time.

    5. Hey, basketball! Remember basketball?

      Our old friend Vorkunov was on with Macri today. Seems to think Ainge isn’t going to budge and is “comfortable being uncomfortable.”

    6. “E, all merc’d out
      July 29, 2022 at 9:45 am
      It looks like (Insider website) that of the 822 guilty pleas to date, three have been for seditious conspiracy. The vast majority are for the functional equivalent of trespassing.”

      This is irrelevant, and you must know it. The purpose of plea bargaining in and of itself is to gain expeditious guilty pleas to lower charges to avoid a possible loss in court. That there is wiggle room in the degree of an individual’s personal involvement has no bearing on the nature of the event as a whole. And the fact that three “leaders” pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy proves that there actually was a seditious conspiracy which in and of itself validates the “insurrection” label. Again, we can argue about nature, scope, involvement, etc., but there was, indisputably, an insurrection.

    7. So the ad now below the login prompt is for a site that teaches the Federalist Papers, “start learning for free.” ;-)

      Re: hoops. I hope Ainge is indeed comfortable being uncomfortable, and we walk away.

    8. They weren’t plea bargains, you’re making that up, Z-Man. And if you plea down because you can’t prove something in court, then thing didn’t provably happen. Tautological.

      Yes, there was a seditious conspiracy that day. I’m pretty sure the overall number charged to date in that conspiracy is 10, though I wouldn’t swear by it and I’m not going to bother researching it more since I have a day job. (I’m pretty sure a group of 10 Proud Boys or Oath Keepers or whatever the fuck those losers call themselves have been charged in toto.) But my point was always that any seditious conspiracy did not include every single buffoon that traipsed through the Capitol on January 6, or anything close to it — and that’s undeniably true. The mob qua mob did not conspire to commit insurrection, full stop. If that doesn’t stoke the endorphins or satiate the endorphin addiction enough for some, well, that really can’t be helped.

      So I’m not going to lose my shit over a big huge massive “seditious conspiracy” when there wasn’t one. If others want to, that’s their business I suppose — but I’ll simply point out again the highly positive attributes of the Enlightenment. And Seinfeld.

    9. It doesn’t matter if a large majority of the people there on January 6th weren’t actively thinking they would overthrow the government or stop the election results. If you study the psychology of mob mentalities, you would realize this is always the case with big mob events like this.

      Not everyone involved in a lynch mob does the lynching or would do the lynching if asked to do so. But they participate in the larger event and believe in the larger sentiment of the group as a whole. Not everyone at a book burning rally burns books, etc.

      So yes, it was an insurrection and no, not everyone there was actively participating in the insurrection per say. That doesn’t mean they don’t believe the election was stolen or would stand up and say “wait a minute” if the insurrection actually succeeded. Not every German citizen gassed jews. you could even go so far as to say not every German citizen was 100 percent pro nazi all the time. But once these things take hold in a group, group think takes over and people who might otherwise object or not participate are compelled to go along to get along. That’s why it’s a really big fucking deal with a politician incites violence against their opponents or claims an election is stolen. They’re banking on the fact that they can whip up the crowd. A few extremists will be the ones who actually carry out the call to action but the rest will be there, cheering them on or remaining silent.

    10. If Ainge isn’t going to budge then stop talking to him. Simple as.

      Who knows, we may have. It doesn’t do any good for the Knicks to announce that to the world, even if it is true and Ainge knows it. One thing Leon is good at is keeping his cards close to his chest. Think DRose trade, Kemba signing, Cam trade–zero chatter prior. All the intel we have on Mitchell seems to be coming from non-Knick sources (other than the Friday night guy).

    11. It is weird that just last week it seemed like things were about to happen but since then, nothing. I wonder if they got close to a deal but Ainge wouldn’t budge and Leon was like “cool, this is our final offer. Talk to me when you realize that’s the best you’re gonna get.”

    12. “July 29, 2022 at 10:15 am
      They weren’t plea bargains, you’re making that up, Z-Man. And if you plea down because you can’t prove something in court, then thing didn’t provably happen. Tautological.”

      This is total nonsense. I recently was pulled over for speeding, and when offered the opportunity to plead guilty to a non-moving violation, I jumped at the chance. Doesn’t mean I wasn’t speeding, or that I would have won in court if I chose to fight it.

      “Yes, there was a seditious conspiracy that day. I’m pretty sure the overall number charged to date in that conspiracy is 10, though I wouldn’t swear by it and I’m not going to bother researching it more since I have a day job. (I’m pretty sure a group of 10 Proud Boys or Oath Keepers or whatever the fuck those losers call themselves have been charged in toto.)”

      Sounds like you’ve only alf been paying attention, if that.

      “But my point was always that any seditious conspiracy did not include every single buffoon that traipsed through the Capitol on January 6, or anything close to it — and that’s undeniably true. The mob qua mob did not conspire to commit insurrection, full stop. If that doesn’t stoke the endorphins or satiate the endorphin addiction enough for some, well, that really can’t be helped.”

      There is definitely a distinction between conspiring to create an insurrection and wilfully and knowingly participating in one that was planned by someone else. The initial rally was widely known as “Stop the Steal”. Nearly every participant in the rally went there in the hope that they were participating in an effort to stop the final certification of the vote as called for in the Constitution. I agree that most participants did not know how exactly it would go down. But the vast, vast majority who entered the Capitol building knew that they were participating in an “unlawful” effort to stop the electoral vote count, which by definition, was an insurrection. Whether they were mere pawns/participants or leaders/conspirators does not change the fact that they fall under the definition of “insurrectionist” unless you change the definition of the word to mean “seditious conspirators.” And once we can’t agree on the objective definition of words like “insurrection” constructive communication becomes impossible.

    13. Isn’t right after summer league when presumably all of the front office people, coaches, etc. go on their vacations for the year? I’m not surprised nothing is happening, it’s probably 1 intern alone watching youtube in the Knicks & Jazz offices right now.

    14. “swiftandabundant
      July 29, 2022 at 11:20 am
      It is weird that just last week it seemed like things were about to happen but since then, nothing. I wonder if they got close to a deal but Ainge wouldn’t budge and Leon was like “cool, this is our final offer. Talk to me when you realize that’s the best you’re gonna get.””

      I remember hearing that this is quite predictable because this is the time of year that FO personnel go on vacation, which seems pretty logical in the context of the NBA calendar.

    15. Hey guys, basketball! Remember basketball?

      Our pal Fred Katz has a good piece on how offseason activity has slowed to a crawl as a result of two factors:

      1. Multiple big-name players being available in trade talks at the same time, leaving teams afraid to make smaller moves until they are sure they’re out of the running for the big ones.

      2. The Gobert deal costing Minnesota so much draft and player capital that other teams are waiting to see if this is now the new normal, or an outlier before trades can be made on more reasonable terms.

      On the latter point, Fred points to the ridiculous contract the Lakers gave our other old pal Timofey Mozgov at the start of 2016 free agency, and how everyone’s price went haywire for a little while.

      There isn’t any new info on the state of Utah/NYK talks, other than Fred saying, “The Jazz want to strip them bare in a Mitchell trade. So far, New York isn’t down to dismantle its future.”

    16. ‘stam, great minds think alike

      tho Thibs is most likely looking at tape as I type this.

    17. Alan, we discuss non-basketball related stuff all the time. If you don’t want to participate, just don’t. The events of January 6 are far more worthy of discussion than some of the other topics folks go on and on about here. If someone is getting unnecessarily nasty, yes, by all means, call them out. But no one should tell anyone here what they should or shouldn’t talk about.

    18. It’s frustrating as a fan to have so many open questions about the roster for such a long period of time, but I guess it’s better than having answers that we don’t like. The only four players we can bet will be on the roster are Mitch, Brunson, Hartenstein and RJ. That’s a huge amount of uncertainty to deal with for months.

    19. And Sims, who signed a new contract this summer. We can’t trade any of our centers. Everyone else is theoretically available, even if I agree that the team doesn’t want to move RJ.

    20. But no one should tell anyone here what they should or shouldn’t talk about.

      Come on Z-man, you know the spirit of this place. No one is telling you what to say or not. But it is a basketball blog. That’s what we come here for. When we veer into non-basketball stuff like music or guitars or movies, I do not participate but I find the site no less enjoyable. But as soon as there is a whiff of politics, it is just a matter of time (many times minutes and then takes hours to shut down) when observers like myself find the site much less enjoyable. Calling this out is nothing more than asking people to be respectful.

    21. I agree with Z-man. If there is ever a time to talk about non basketball topics, this is it. I just hope someone is around to moderate if things start getting out of hand.

    22. Z — “insurrection” and “seditious conspiracy” are both federal crimes (as is “rebellion”), and over the years those terms have developed particular definitions, through court opinions and the like. (And of course in the wording of the statutes that criminalize them.) Those are my definitions. I don’t think anyone has actually been charged with insurrection re January 6. (I’m not going to get all linguistic and Oxford English Dictionary, but “insurrection” and “sedition” are essentially synonyms for these purposes, IMHO. All the word “conspiracy” adds to it is the concept of criminally joining with others.)

      I don’t know that you can have an “insurrection” without any insurrectionists, but maybe I’m missing something.

      As to the broader question of “politics” there’s simply no chance our committed progressive friends aren’t going to try to convince their would be “crazy uncles” that they’re “wrong” about certain bellweather things — and so it was here. It’s almost death and taxes territory at this point.

    23. Yes, when we talk about guitar technique, or chess, or any of a number of off-topic subjects (including my area of expertise), it is generally done in a spirit of fun and camaraderie, even if we don’t agree on everything. The political discussions are just ugly and go nowhere, and are identical to arguments that can be found in every other corner of the internet from which I and at least some others here view Knickerblogger Dot Net as a respite.

    24. “BernieEarnie
      July 29, 2022 at 12:06 pm
      But no one should tell anyone here what they should or shouldn’t talk about.

      Come on Z-man, you know the spirit of this place. No one is telling you what to say or not. But it is a basketball blog. That’s what we come here for. When we veer into non-basketball stuff like music or guitars or movies, I do not participate but I find the site no less enjoyable. But as soon as there is a whiff of politics, it is just a matter of time (many times minutes and then takes hours to shut down) when observers like myself find the site much less enjoyable. Calling this out is nothing more than asking people to be respectful.”

      Politics is hard to discuss, for sure. But we shouldn’t avoid it just because it has a tendency to get messy and vitriolic. I have never watched Better Call Saul, so those conversations do not add one iota of enjoyment for me. But I am totally fascinated with the current political climate in this country, and am riveted by those discussions. So long as things are within reasonable boundaries for KB snark, I hope those conversations about politics continue.

    25. This is all so stupid because any questions people might’ve had about what January 6th was about were answered when over half the House GOP caucus voted against certifying the election.

      I repeat: that Joe Biden, who won the 2020 general election by numbers multiple standard deviations outside of any even remotely plausible margin of error, is the duly elected President, is a *minority position* among House Republicans. Most of them are in public agreement with the people who stormed the capitol on this front.

      Many of the Republicans who voted to certify the election are retiring (e.g. Upton, Kinzinger) or are inevitably going to lose their seats in primaries largely because they publicly think Joe Biden won the 2020 election (Cheney, Meijer).

      It’s quite possible that “Joe Biden won the 2020 election” is a fringe position among federally elected Republicans before too long, not too mention the shit show of Republicans in state legislatures and statewide positions, and yet the people who say January 6th was actually quite bad are apparently being hyperbolic.

      So the January 6th rioters successfully turned “did Joe Biden win the election” into a hot button issue in conservative circles, and obviously it’s not going to stop there–the logical next step is giving state legislatures and governors the power to void election results they don’t like. There’s maybe a single-digit number of prominent Republicans who don’t want to do that.

      But yeah, all they really wanted to do was chat with Mike Pence about “election irregularities.”

    26. “The political discussions are just ugly and go nowhere, and are identical to arguments that can be found in every other corner of the internet from which I and at least some others here view Knickerblogger Dot Net as a respite.”

      But I, for one, don’t venture into every other corner of the internet. This is the only place that I post on a somewhat daily basis, and I feel that I have a relationship with the people here that transcends basketball. Whether sitcoms, comic books, recipes, education, or politics, the discussion here is richer than on most sites because it is a group of intelligent posters who know each other better than on most sites and yet isn’t an echo chamber, whether discussing the Knicks or anything else.

      I truly appreciate when you weigh in on tone, and you must know that I have personally taken your admonitions to heart. But I draw the line at content. If things get unnecessarily ugly and personal, sure, say something, whether it’s basketball-related or not. Otherwise, feel free to just scroll past posts you have no interest in. To me, there’s hardly any difference between Jowles getting ugly with strat over Phil Jackson or January 6, and discussing the latter is way less tedious than relitigating the former.

    27. Catching up with everything I missed when I went into a 72 hour black hole of sorts, I recommend Macri’s piece on why Randle is a pretty bad fit for this team regardless of whether we have Mitchell.

      The long and short of it is even if we pretend Randle is willing to play like he did in New Orleans again, that style of play basically requires him to play alongside a 5 who is a legitimate floor spacer. Neither the math nor the offensive scheming add up otherwise, with Randle taking 70% of his shots in the paint.

      There are very few centers in the whole NBA who can give Randle the space he needs to operate like that without tanking their own efficiency, and we don’t have one of those guys.

      I actually think Macri understates the case against Randle being on this team because while he acknowledges the enormous drop off in his efficiency at the rim since coming to NY, he doesn’t really grapple with the possibility that Randle’s ability to play like that might be permanently gone. Between some physical decline and Randle’s mindset I would be shocked if Randle ever plays that way again.

      So what we have is a power forward who insists on the shot distribution of a star wing, doesn’t hit those shots at star, or even decent, clips, and takes away more than he adds on defense.

    28. “is giving state legislatures and governors the power to void election results they don’t like. ”

      It’s not on the bar exam because it’s too esoteric, but in point of fact, the Constitution calls for the state legislatures to have virtually plenary power to decide the manner by which their states pick electors. (“Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress.”)

      This leaves a lot of unanswered questions which didn’t have time to be litigated in the 2020 cycle — e.g., were COVID election changes put in place by state actors other than the legislature valid? Ultimately, of course, the state legislature would have to itself assert its own prerogatives and none did in 2020. (*) Other states tried to have the Supremes decide whether certain other states picked their electors in a way not provided by those state’s legislatures and the Supremes didn’t hear the case.

      The question TNFH appears to raise is whether a state legislature, having otherwise stated that its electors will be picked by a popular vote of the people of a state, can then override that selection? That’s an open question, constitutionally. (Whether a state legislature has to open up the selection of state electors to the voters really isn’t an open question — they don’t, and for a good chunk of our history didn’t.)

      But as to where the sole power in the area lies, the constitutional language is quite unambiguous.

      (*) And that was ultimately the death knell for Big Orange’s efforts. That said, to the fair-minded, there’s certainly nothing untoward about raising the constitutional question. Losing candidates litigate elections all the time in the US.

    29. “I don’t know that you can have an “insurrection” without any insurrectionists, but maybe I’m missing something.”

      Here is the legal code (18 US Code 2383) for insurrection:
      “Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”

      ” For Seditious Conspiracy (18 US Code 2384) “If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.”

      This language requires that the definitions of “rebellion” “sedition” and “insurrection” are agreed upon. Here’s one that makes sense to me: “Generally, sedition is conduct or speech that incites individuals to violently rebel against the authority of the government. Insurrection includes the actual acts of violence and rebellion.”

      There is a very high burden of proof to convict a participant in something like the January 6 riot with violation of these statutes, but I don’t see how anyone can reasonably deny that hundreds of people engaged in actual acts of violence and rebellion aligned with the speech that incited them to violently rebel. That prosecutors offered a plea to a lower charge for expediency’s sake doesn’t prove anything about whether their acts fall under the broad umbrella of insurrection.

    30. All of this Mitchell drama could have been avoided if they had just drafted him when they had the chance.

    31. Z, the Justice Department is not making resource-based, expediency charging decisions re January 6. This isn’t your speeding ticket or anything close.

      The legal definitions are found in court cases interpreting the statutes and in the language of the statutes themselves. This is my day-to-day racket, so what the lawyers handling these cases do is figure out what the elements of the crimes are and then see whether the evidence they have would be able to prove those elements. If they do, they charge the crime. If they don’t, they don’t. Given the J6 awfulness, they’re likely bending over backwards to try to charge it if they can.

      So when I see the tally of insurrection charges as 0, I’m quite satisfied in concluding that there really wasn’t an insurrection. Our criminal statutes know what an “insurrection” is and have made it a crime. It’s not some mysterious term.

    32. E, your points re: the electors are fair. But by January 6, all such questions had been answered in the courts, including the Court. There were zero “legal” avenues to pursue, other than for congresspeople to raise objections at the proceedings, which they did and were responded to in a constitutionally sanctioned manner. There were really no unanswered questions to resolve on January 6, only a largely ceremonial proceeding with very strict limitations on political interference.

      The seditious conspirators (including but not limited to Trump, Flynn, Powell, Eastman and Giuliani) were 100% aware of this and knew that the only hope remaining was to gin up a bunch of supporters, knowing full well that the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers would light the match, and that ginned-up participants would folow their lead, which they did by the hundreds, if not thousands. All of this is very consistent with the statutes, and just because prosecutors are taking an easier route doesn’t change the definition of what actually occurred.

    33. On basketball, I figured out how to move iPhone video to my iPad and therefore increase its size and definition and so when I was having a couple beers at home last Friday night I did that with my clip of the end of Game 2 of the Hawks series. Then I put on my headphones and got to hear the sound real well and had a swell time reliving it and hearing the pulsating Garden anew. If KB had like rafters with retired numbers and the like, it would fit very nicely there and I’d happily donate it.

      That’s where I want the Knicks to get, only this time as real contenders. I don’t see gutting the team for Spida as a meaningful move in that direction, unfortunately.

    34. “So when I see the tally of insurrection charges as 0, I’m quite satisfied in concluding that there really wasn’t an insurrection. Our criminal statutes know what an “insurrection” is and have made it a crime. It’s not some mysterious term.”

      Or alternatively, that the statute is so poorly worded and defined that it is hard to enforce. This also happens all the time, and it takes events like this to address ambiguities in the code. Statutes and precedents are being revisited and amended all the time. You must know this.

      I did a bit of research and was unable to find a single case of a person being convicted under US Code 2383. My guess is that prosecutors do not feel comfortable charging people under a statute than has not been tested in court. However, there are several instances of people being tried and convicted under US Code 2384.

      As such, I’m not buying your argument that “since on one was specifically charged under the Insurrection statute, an insurrection didn’t take place.” It fits the dictionary and the legal definition, especially in light of the convictions for seditious conspiracy (past and pending), and that’s plenty good enough for me.

    35. “The election was stolen” is in the alternative facts universe. It’s not about it being factually true or not. It’s what “the election was stolen” means symbolically to those who believe it.

      You could show that Biden won the vote by 40 million votes and it wouldn’t change the minds of people who say this because it’s not about the specific votes or the electoral college or any of that. It’s about what being a “real american” means. It means being white, Christian, and heterosexual, owning property and having a family. If you do not fit into those categories and you live in a city or are brown or gay or pro-abortion or not a christian, then you aren’t a real American so you’re vote isn’t real. This is all part of a larger strategy from a majority that is slowly becoming not the majority and terrified of living in an America where white Christians are not the dominant group. Never mind the fact that they won’t actually ever be in the minority, we will just live in a plurality where there is no one group that is the majority. But that change is coming and is already here in a lot of places and it absolutely terrifies the shit out of white Christians who live in rural communities.

      Until that mindset is somehow questioned and changed, it doesn’t matter how many “facts” we throw at them about any election. Anytime their person loses, it will be illegitimate. You have to look at what Trump and the right are really saying when they say shit like this.

      That’s also why they don’t think anyone did anything wrong on January 6th. They were just standing up for their country. The real America. Not the one that other people belong to that was stolen from them, their god given birth right as real Americans.

    36. “Alan
      July 29, 2022 at 12:03 pm
      And Sims, who signed a new contract this summer. We can’t trade any of our centers. Everyone else is theoretically available, even if I agree that the team doesn’t want to move RJ.”

      True, forgot about Sims! In any case, what other team at this point has only 4 guys on the roster are virtual locks to be on the roster and in the rotation on opening day?

      We could probably have some kind of pool about the rotation on opening day. Winner drinks for free at the next KB get-together.

    37. Okay, here’s the situation
      The front office went away on a week’s vacation
      And they left Knick fans to discuss what we want.
      Maybe we shouldn’t?
      Nah, yeah of course we should.

      -Will “No Relation To Chris And JR” Smith

    38. hey al, thinking of you and wishing you the best…i really liked the other day when you mentioned the effect that swift had on you…i can understand that…i think abut just how strong swift is a lot – courage never quits…all the time i think of Dude in Knicks Town…thinking of the strength in their words and the power within their purpose – someone here needs me…i’ll never forget hearing that, ever…

      was visiting with mom this week…it’s to the point now where she understands i’ll need to leave the room if she has the “news” on…i don’t like listening to agitated people (whether real or simply for show) going back and forth endlessly…it’s not even that i don’t like it – it is physically, emotionally and mentally upsetting to me…

      i believe i know why…as a child there was considerable turmoil in my home, until my father decided to go burden some other family…a true blessing…we lost the house we were living in – we just happened to be a few doors down from a reasonably mid level drug dealer, wasn’t too hard to get a hold of anything…lots of young folks started getting paid off it, after my dad left and we lost the house moved to an area a million times better an environment to be raised in…

      anyways so yeah, conflict in the home…the other thing now is my nerves – i really need quiet and calm around me…it’s taken some time, but, with just consistent messaging to those closest to me – they have all really stepped up, changed their behavior for my benefit…

      it frustrates me sometimes – i don’t have a easily visible defect, however, when i stutter, breathe intensely, shake, let rage get the best of me…they can see…

      continuous emotional stability isn’t a given for me, it appears to be something i’m going to need to work on the rest of the way…that’s okay…

      i understand though, incessant conflict creates a disturbing “noise” to some, at least it does for me…

      thinking of you al and…

    39. “The concise definition of “insurrection” is certainly broad enough to apply to what happened on January 6.”

      If we’re speaking of “broad” definitions, then a whole bunch of anti-Trump activity between 2016 and 2020 would certainly qualify as seditious.

      And precisely how concerned with “insurrection” was everyone around here when it came to the autonomous zone created and maintained for weeks in Seattle?

      And what about those organized Antifa protests in Portland that went on for months and included laying siege to a U.S, federal building?

      Given that all evidence points to the GOP winning back control of Congress in November and holding a better-than-even chance of winning the White House again in 2024, the self-flattering navel-gazing on Jan. 6 seems genuinely deranged.

      Mike

    40. “Until that mindset is somehow questioned and changed, it doesn’t matter how many “facts” we throw at them about any election.”

      Hey! Shall we go back and check how many Einsteins around here swallowed the Russian Collusion conspiracy theory hook, line, and sinker?

      Mike

    41. For those of you who came of age in NYC in the ’80s and ’90s, I recommend NYC Point Gods, which dropped today on Showtime. Pearl Washington, Rod S, Starbury, Kenny Anderson Kenny Smith, Mark Jackson, Rafer Alston (*)et al. Nice nostalgic voyage, with some log rolling. I think this documentary ( EP’d by Durant and Kleiman) is outside @Alan’s bailiwick, but I’m sure he will weigh in on it.
      * Every boro but Staten Island represented. Query- was there ever a point god-level dude from there? For me, rewatching The Pearl take apart Ewing’s Hoya Destroyas in the Big East tournament was worth the watch in and of itself.

    42. I was concerned about the ongoing plot to end the American democratic experiment, but then Mike Bunge in his infinite wisdom reminded me that some idiots cordoned off a city block in Seattle for a few weeks.

    43. I forgot we had a “regular” who has google alerts set to Knickerblogger + politics. I stand with Alan now.

    44. The people in Seattle expressly renounced the authority of the lawful government, expressly announced the replacement of the state’s authority with theirs, and enforced that renouncement and replacement by force. Successfully. For several weeks.

      If that wasn’t an “insurrection” against the State of Washington, the term has no meaning. They specifically and consciously said, “You no longer have any authority in this area, government. We’re the authority here.” And then drew boundaries which they enforced by force for several weeks. The lawful authority, because of that force, didn’t operate in the area for several weeks. That’s textbook insurrection.

      Again, as with J6, there’s no need to get all hysterical and say, “The State of Washington was in grave danger!!!!!” because it obviously wasn’t — but in point of fact there was a small insurrection against it over a few weeks by the operators of the autonomous zone. There’s no serious question about that. Had they done it on a military base or federal park or something it would have clearly been insurrection against the United States but, again, a small, tiny one. Nothing to lose one’s shit over.

      Was all that “as bad” as January 6? I’ll leave that one to others. (Well, OK, no — it wasn’t as bad as January 6.) But it was, beyond any doubt, more “insurrection-y” than January 6.

    45. Seems like the same people whose basketball opinion posts I automatically scroll past and try to ignore also have political opinions and view points that I automatically scroll past and ignore.

    46. It’s certainly reasonable that the term “insurrection” could be applied to the Seattle, Portland, etc. situations. Kind of like the term “wound” could be applied to a skinned knee or a post-decapitation bloody neck stump. Or the term “crime” could apply to stealing a pack of gum or shooting up a class full of students.

    47. “Alan
      July 29, 2022 at 3:57 pm
      Almost certainly best to file this away with “Look, Mitch can hit 3-pointers now!” offseason footage, but I nonetheless quite enjoyed this clip of Obi showing off his ballhandling in a gym against randos”

      Was that tnfh guarding him in that second clip?

    48. if obi can get a good grip on the ball – small forward here we go…maybe eat some of RJ’s minutes…

    49. Almost certainly best to file this away with “Look, Mitch can hit 3-pointers now!” offseason footage, but I nonetheless quite enjoyed this clip of Obi showing off his ballhandling in a gym against randos:

      https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/1553106736214642696

      I don’t know, it seems to me that the bounce is quite high and loose to succeed in the NBA. But well, it is just a couple of clips during the offseason…

    50. I love this part of the offseason where everyone’s like, “Did you see Kyle Kuzma break the ankles of his 4yr old nephew!!!! He’s bringing his game to the next level this season!!!”

      It’s fun if meaningless

    51. let’s get one thing straight… this was seattle’s ‘autonomous zone’:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay5h5dq14mM

      this was jan 6th…
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlqAfnwoYno

      i don’t recall any zip ties to kidnap government officials in seattle
      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/armed-jan-6-rioter-zip-ties-capitol-attack-friend-testifies-trial-rcna18733

      antifa didn’t have pipe bombs trying to blow up goverment buildings either
      https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jan-mystery-pipe-bombs-night-capitol-attack/story?id=81723935

      we also didn’t have the Vice President fearing for his life from antifa….
      https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-refused-car-secret-service-capitol-riot-book-1610326

      you really need to be neck deep into right wing crayon eating media to be equating the two…. but you know if you’re buying this… i got some supplements you guys might be interested in… just DM me brah….

      This is my day-to-day racket,

      i thought it was trolling knicks boards….

    52. “Was that tnfh guarding him in that second clip?”

      I laughed, but that guy put up more of a fight than I could’ve.

    53. Honestly that Obi clip and all the Mitch shooting Zapruder films, and here’s a new one: https://twitter.com/NBA_NewYork/status/1552402595758718976, just give you an appreciation for how insanely good NBA players are.

      Like, Mitchell Robinson will probably hit under 5 threes in his entire NBA career. Yet if you went to any open gym and shot them like he is in that clip you’d be considered a god.

    54. My only 2 points that I’ll make, because those disinterested left:

      1) Seditious conspiracy is a worse offense than insurrection.Seditious conspiracy is punishable by up to 20 yrs in prison, insurrection only 10 yrs. January 6th was worse than insurrection.

      2) The courts will not charge 1,000 people with insurrection or seditious conspiracy because they cannot feasibly charge 1,000 people with insurrection or seditious conspiracy. Prosecutors give plea deals for the same reason. Expediency allows courts to function. The courts have charged 842 criminals. A mere 300 cases have decisions, all but 1 a conviction. Even fewer cases have sentences. Another 350 violent actors remain unidentified and uncharged. The charges given are not the charges possible.

    55. First of all, sorry Alan. I tried.

      Second of all:

      “It’s certainly reasonable that the term “insurrection” could be applied to the Seattle, Portland, etc. situations. Kind of like the term “wound” could be applied to a skinned knee or a post-decapitation bloody neck stump. Or the term “crime” could apply to stealing a pack of gum or shooting up a class full of students.”

      This.

    56. “It’s certainly reasonable that the term “insurrection” could be applied to the Seattle, Portland, etc. situations. Kind of like the term “wound” could be applied to a skinned knee or a post-decapitation bloody neck stump. Or the term “crime” could apply to stealing a pack of gum or shooting up a class full of students.”

      *********************
      It’s nothing like that. All you’ve done there is used a more general term to describe two things that the specific terms for them would clearly differentiate. “Theft” is different than “murder.”

      But “insurrection” IS the specific term. And Seattle is more clearly insurrection. Easily.

      The logical fail there is equating “insurrection” and “bad,” and thinking that therefore if it’s not “insurrection” it’s therefore not really bad and that if someone says it wasn’t insurrection they’re saying it wasn’t really bad. That must just be an one-up-y, internet thing wherein if something is bad, it’s therefore also every single word that can describe a bad thing.

      This whole thing is even richer coming from a guy who so strenuously objected to the internet one-up-y description of the Knicks 2021 draft pick as “incinerated.” Your (relentless) objection to the excess of that term is exactly what I’m trying to get across about the term “insurrection.” To a literal T.

    57. *** when we talk about guitar technique, or chess, or any of a number of off-topic subjects (including my area of expertise), it is generally done in a spirit of fun and camaraderie, even if we don’t agree on everything. ***

      Since it’s turned into the dog days of summer, and because I don’t want to interrupt the dormancy of MBudge, may I go off topic and ask of you your opinion on The Old Man? As I’ve mentioned, I am rarely engaged by television, but I watched the first episode last night and found myself oddly riveted. I think I may even tune in for episode two sometime.

    58. Saw a Twitter video of Randle missing warmup 3s. That happens from time to time. What worries me is his form looks off.

      He has the summer to lock in the new form, but I’m worried

    59. Was considering The Old Man myself, if someone has a critique would love to hear it.

      Speaking of men watched The Gray Man last night. A bit over the top (Chris Evans redefined chewing the scenery), and I find Ryan Gosling to be one of the least charismatic movie stars out there.

    60. Alan, that’s nice to hear. It seems like that even though the Jazz are claiming high market value, the Knicks are just thinking “how much is he worth to the Knicks?”

    61. ***I wrote about The Old Man here:***

      Can I safely read it if I’ve only watched episode one? Because, though I liked the first episode a lot, I don’t really know where it’s set up to go, and if I find out from reading about it, I probably won’t ever see it through. (Episode one actually felt pretty complete, like a well made short film, so I’m okay leaving it at that. But since Lady Donnie will likely continue to watch, and I share a room with her, I figure I’ll see what comes of it:)

    62. Ainge trying to use Charlotte and Washington for leverage is hilarious. Our C- offer is better than either of their best. Ainge must really want to move Mitchell, and must have lost some confidence that the teams that might actually be able to compete with the Knicks e.g. Miami are interested.

      I’ve made this point already but from a leverage perspective it’s pretty important for the Knicks to get off to a good start. If we’re in the playoff hunt and all the kids are playing well Leon can credibly say he’s ready to walk away, and that he’d get killed for trading any two of Grimes/IQ/Obi.

      If, on the other hand, we’re 8-17 and the kids have either not made a leap or, worse yet, have regressed, get ready for Melo Trade 2.0. Maybe worse.

    63. I got through The Old Man and I felt much the way Alan responded in his piece (thanks for the link).

      For any folks looking for more diversions, let me plug The Rehearsal on HBO. It’s a doc-comedy-something-or-other (thoughts, Alan?) that somehow perfectly expresses and critiques the current surrealism of our current culture. It’s also hilarious and jaw-dropping in its simple WTF-ness. “Two thumbs up.” ;-)

      EDIT: PS — thanks for the link to Obi dribbling (past high school players?). It’s on repeat.

    64. Actually, I think Charlotte could also be thinking about getting Durant. They weren’t bad last year and probably think of themselves as a team on on the upswing. They probably don’t want Bridges and need a replacement. Some sort of high profile move would make them feel good about their future. They could be kicking the tires on Mitchell. Cleveland could be in this boat too.

    65. I too had a similar reaction to Alan’s. I have always been a big Jeff Bridges stan, so that added to my enjoyment. I did find the last episode a tad anti-climactic.

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