Knicks Morning News (2022.07.28)

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    1. Mark Jackson believes Knicks could’ve ended title drought if he wasn’t traded

      [extremely fake Bernie Sanders voice]
      I am asking once again for Mike K to give me gif-posting powers so I may properly respond to foolishness like this.

    2. Mark Jackson may be a world-class blowhard but he was a very good player. He was a huge part of the Pacers getting to the finals with Reggie Miller as their best player. It’s fair to wonder whether the Knicks would have fared better with him (and Rod Strickland) in the fold.

    3. In Mark Jackson color commentator voice: “If you’re Mark Jackson….you know you’re full of shit”

    4. The trade we sent Jackson out for didn’t exactly work, but a healthy Doc Rivers was a better fit for that team thank Jackson would have been. Jordan and Pippen would have targeted him mercilessly.

    5. I wonder how much the impending Mitchell trade is affecting the young guys in their preparation for the season. Are they trying to convince management not to trade them? Is the FO concerned about the team’s chemistry if Obi and IQ are gone? In his interview with Macri, Spence Checketts was hardly flattering when discussing Mitchell’s locker room demeanor. If the Knicks trade Obi and keep Julius, that’s two guys who have a history of clashing with teammates, and who possibly might clash with each other.

      I’m sure the FO would value acquiring a star like Mitchell (esp given his local roots) over locker room considerations, but the whole “WE ARE FAMILY” vibe doesn’t seem aligned with a bloodless approach to a trade.

    6. “Alan
      July 28, 2022 at 10:02 am
      The trade we sent Jackson out for didn’t exactly work, but a healthy Doc Rivers was a better fit for that team thank Jackson would have been. Jordan and Pippen would have targeted him mercilessly.”

      Yeah at the time Jackson was never in great shape and that must have pissed Riley off. He worked very hard on his body later in his career.

      But I loved that X-Man team that ended the Pistons run and lost a hard-fought 7-game series to the eventual champions. I would have been very cool with running that team back.

    7. Between giving 6-7 assets for DMitchell or signing Carmelo for The Last Tour I’m with Melo!

    8. The trade we sent Jackson out for didn’t exactly work, but a healthy Doc Rivers was a better fit for that team thank Jackson would have been. Jordan and Pippen would have targeted him mercilessly.

      I have to say — a 200-comment thread relitigating a 1992 trade would be peak KB

    9. 5) Jan. 6 was basically a riot by a few thousand unarmed idiots that was turned into an insurrection for political gain. The republicans have all the guns. If there is ever an insurrection most of the media won’t even be able to report on it.

      I have an old friend who reminds me of you sometimes. Bright guy with some almost-pathologically contrarian takes. He actually posted here back in 2008 or 2009 but thinks advanced stats are fake so he quit. (E.g. he said that he knew the Celtics would lose to the Warriors and that “statheads” would bet based on ELO instead of using their own eyes to see that Tatum was a choker.) He loves to gamble, and gamble on everything: horses, tennis, basketball, baseball, football, a pick-up game of foursquare in the playground down the street. If it’s a game, he can crack the code and make some money on it. Or so he says.

      Before the election, he told me that Biden and Trump were essentially the same person, so it didn’t matter who you voted for. After January 6, I asked him if he were willing to admit he had been dead wrong. He refused, because he is never actually wrong.

      All I’m asking is that you remember what you said about Jan. 6 right after Jan. 6 happened, and say the following: “I was wrong, Cock Jowles! The media did not, in actuality, fabricate or inflate its size and intensity.”

      I’ll admit that I thought the Dubs should trade their Big 3 after 2019-20, and that Anthony Edwards would be a huge bust. Now your turn. Please?

    10. Kind of shocked that Melo is still worthy of playing time. I’m sure his defense is garbage, but wasn’t he playing center at points this year? Weird time we live in.

    11. Since turning down the 4/80M extension from the Lakers, Dennis Schroder had to settle for 5.9M from the Celtics last season and he is still unsigned for this season.

    12. I irrationally hate the slang term “the bag” because it makes me think about the illiterate woman-beater Floyd Mayweather posing on a private jet with like $3M in large bills in a Louis Vuitton handbag, or Fuckboi Jr. Devin Booker having signed his $200M deal, walking across a runway looking like a Soundcloud rapper in trash-culture couture while holding a gaudy designer man-purse, but man, talk about fumbling the bag!!!!!!

      also the obligatory Schroeder reference: that’s tuff [fire/flexed arm emoji]

    13. I believe Doc Rivers tearing up his knee cost the Knicks a title that year.

      Schroeder was a total idiot! SMH!

      I listened to the interview on KFS. Around the 23 minute mark, Silverman mentioned belonging to a chat group of “bitter middle aged Knick Fans”. Was that a nod to Knickerblogger? Is he a lurker? If he had said umarell, then I would know for sure.

    14. Yes a mistake in hindsight, but I will never fault a person under the age of 30 who bets on himself and his abilities and loses. His life story up to that point was success against pretty stacked odds. I hate his game, but do admire his achievements.

    15. Appreciate all the congratulations! Been a crazy 48 hours, obviously. As many of you know, miserable test. Do not recommend. Thank god it’s (hopefully) over. Was hoping I’d emerge with a trade having occurred but alas it was not to be.

      Definitely don’t understand thinking a trade should be done by now. That’s just another way of saying we should accede to whatever Ainge wants. It’s also possible we can gain a little leverage if we start the season decently and the vibes are good–Leon can tell Ainge he’d simply get killed if he traded multiple young players, etc.

      Silverman was unsurprisingly great on the KFS pod. Great discussion about tanking vs whatever it is we’ve been trying to do for 20 years, it’s almost as if Silverman still checks in from time to time…

      Miss you man, sorry you bumped into Ann Coulter at that party!

    16. “Playing chicken” definition: to engage in a test of courage in which, typically, two vehicles are driven directly toward one another in order to see which driver will swerve away first

      Your statement: “we will either meet it or go another direction”

      Again, that is LITERALLY THE DEFINITION. The cars will either “meet” (crash) or “go another direction” (swerve).

      Rama, this is going to very quickly join the ranks of Frank Ntilikina and the definition of mediocre.

      I said that Ainge set the price and I do not think he is not going to budge. He is not a vehicle driving towards us, he is a brick wall that we are driving straight into. Therefore it is not chicken. It is just stupid.

    17. I would like my forehead to bump into the bridge of her evil nose. Like, not really. But also, maybe. In self-defense, of course. Is that wrong? It feels right.

      And congrats! Do you have an idea of your study hours?

    18. But I loved that X-Man team that ended the Pistons run and lost a hard-fought 7-game series to the eventual champions. I would have been very cool with running that team back.

      Me, too. But I seem to recall Jackson was not good in that series, and Greg Anthony was preferred at key moments.

      Out of the three PGs we had in the Jordan era, I think Jackson easily places behind Rivers and Harper.

    19. Around the 23 minute mark, Silverman mentioned belonging to a chat group of “bitter middle aged Knick Fans”. Was that a nod to Knickerblogger? Is he a lurker? If he had said umarell, then I would know for sure.

      I thought about it too. If he had said umarell, it would’ve been hilarious.

      Congrats, Noble! ;)

    20. Hubert, i don’t understand your point, you think we should walk away from the negotiation? We have the best offer, so we can (and shoud) wait. You want us to take the (best) offer off the table? Paving the way for another team to go after Mitchell, maybe a Riley miracle once again?

    21. Appreciate all the congratulations! Been a crazy 48 hours, obviously. As many of you know, miserable test. Do not recommend. Thank god it’s (hopefully) over.

      Congrats on getting it done! How confident are you feeling? I assume you passed, just because I assume most intelligent people WILL pass, but I think they’ve made it harder over the years, so maybe I’m offbase?

    22. I have an old friend who reminds me of you sometimes. Bright guy with some almost-pathologically contrarian takes.

      howdy jowles, i was thinking about your back and forth with strat a bit…i think it really helps illustrate 2 significant points…

      A). we are not all using language similarly, most people wanna configure terms and concepts to their our own benefit…i heard this example used not so long ago (talking about different physics disciplines) – it’s like having a team of lacrosse players and baseball players go out on to a field to play a “game”…

      sure, there’s a ball, there’s players, there’s uniforms- but, each team is using a whole different set of rules…think about that the next time you go back and forth with someone here for 30 posts or so :P

      B). it is nearly impossible to “shift” someone’s perspective/world-view…their experiences are just hard-wired so tightly, they are unable to escape or move beyond their “programming”…

      being “trapped” within your own paradigm, ain’t that hard a thing to have happen to you…

    23. “bitter middle aged Knick Fans”

      ha, middle aged…yeah, middle aged if i live to be a 118…hmmmm, good luck with that, huh…

    24. Really appreciate it guys! As you’ve all been able to tell this website of ours was pretty key in getting me through this.

      The studying program I used estimates your hours. It’s not perfect, but pretty close. I was over 300 by the end according to that and it doesn’t count anything I did outside of the program (which was a lot).

      The annoying thing is even in a 12 hour test, they can’t possibly test you on all of the material. So you learn a lot of completely useless stuff. Even for practicing it’s useless–any lawyer that relied on their bar exam knowledge, as opposed to, you know, research, to resolve something would be dumber than Isiah Thomas. It’s not like anyone remembers 99% of it anyway.

      <blockquoteCongrats on getting it done! How confident are you feeling? I assume you passed, just because I assume most intelligent people WILL pass, but I think they’ve made it harder over the years, so maybe I’m offbase?

      The consensus was definitely that it was really hard, especially the essays. The good news is that it’s curved obviously. I didn’t feel great after the essay portion but felt okay enough about the multiple choice and that’s 50%, so hopefully it carries me. I definitely won’t anger the Bar Gods by hazarding an official guess, so the next update will be in November (which is annoying, they could at least have the multiple choice done in, like, a day).

    25. The pass rate for NYU students taking the bar exam for the first time in 2021 was 98.7%( I believe this is all the state bar exams). Not to give TNFH a kinehora, but there is a better chance that the Warriors don’t make the playoffs next year than N not passing. Especially with the time, he put in. ( Law School should be at most 1.5 years followed by 1.5 years of apprenticeships)

    26. Silverman was definitely referring to a group chat — aka a bunch of friends texting each other at once. I DMed him about it after, curious if he found it more cathartic or like a huge time suck. He said it was both. Kind of like this place, actually.

    27. you think we should walk away from the negotiation?

      i know i go back and forth daily on this…i think it’s a very legitmate sentiment…

      that 2 (quik and obi) in the bush you don’t know so much about, that would be really hard for me to part with…i know it was just end of year going through the motions to some degree stuff – but obi and quik both looked pretty nba legit regarding deserving minutes out on the floor…

    28. how long before you find out the results noble?

      do you have some kind of “time-off” thing planned, or do you think you might jump right back in to work…

    29. i think if we were to hang on to our young players, go with what we have – be a big boost heading in to training camp…

      no doubt, publicly the entire team would say what a great player he is…but yeah – i got fooled with mitch…

      mitch didn’t want to leave this team…from what i read, a bunch of that was due to the guys on the team…

      thibs first and most consistent comment reference obi has been the “energy” on the floor, locker room and in the gym…

      quik – work ethic and professionalism, desire and ability to take and make “the big shot”…

      there are some things that numbers can not illustrate…and then there is vegas, so they do explain a lot…but…

    30. Congrats Noble! Seeing my brother go through the bar process clued me in on how brutal it was. Glad that’s (hopefully, probably) over. Also, if any NYC KBers want to get together for a drink (or to watch the Yankees or Mets…) I’ll be in town from the 2nd – 10th.

    31. I DMed him about it after, curious if he found it more cathartic or like a huge time suck. He said it was both. Kind of like this place, actually.

      So there’s more groups of people like KB out there? It truly is a “blessing” to be a Knicks fan. LOL

    32. Derek Harper and Doc Rivers were a much better fit for those Knicks teams because they were much, much, much better defenders than Mark Jackson plus they could spot up and make 3pters. They didn’t need the ball to be productive on offense unlike Mark Jackson who was useless playing without the ball.

      Not to mention the Knicks beat the Pacers in the 1999 Conference Finals in big part because at the end of Games 1 and 3 they were able to keep Reggie from taking the final shot instead forcing Jackson to take the shots which thankfully he failed miserably. Travis Best was the Indiana PG who gave the Knicks problems at that time not Mark Jackson.

    33. The pass rate for NYU students taking the bar exam for the first time in 2021 was 98.7%( I believe this is all the state bar exams). Not to give TNFH a kinehora, but there is a better chance that the Warriors don’t make the playoffs next year than N not passing. Especially with the time, he put in. ( Law School should be at most 1.5 years followed by 1.5 years of apprenticeships)

      Wow, didn’t know it was that high! Okay, then yeah, I’m definitely feeling even more confident than I already was. ;)

    34. Yeah I want to say as well hoping for the best for you TNFH! I’m sure you killed the bar exam just like Vincent Laguardia Gambini did.

    35. The January 6 losers really didn’t try to achieve any overt act in pursuit of any political end. The closest they came was probably the “Hang Mike Pence” stuff — assuming that’s not overstated; I’m not going to do a bunch of independent research on it — but they appeared to take no overt action in pursuit of doing anything to Mike Pence to prevent him from doing the certification he was called on to do. They certainly had the people power to do that, and most likely the firepower.

      If they had the people power and the firepower, then why didn’t they use those advantages to stop Mike Pence? They didn’t do that because they were just a disorganized band of proles and losers engaged in theatricality and aimless line-pushing on behalf of a buffoon.

      But that still leaves the January 6 “truthers” in the position of vastly overstating the threat. Mike Pence was easily and peacefully reinstated to his position to certify the electoral vote and did so within a couple hours (if memory serves) of the prescribed time. And that of course is why few if any of the buffoons are being charged with sedition or even with interfering with Congressional processes. In the end they were a band of loser Trumpy trespassers, and nothing really more.

      I’d recommend the Serenity Now approach from the late Seinfeld era. There’s no rule that says you absolutely, positively *must* get massively agitated about every last thing in politics. (As an example, one of the op-ed writers in the Times today wasted about 800 words explaining to the readership how to talk about climate change with your cranky uncle and my first and only thought was, “Can’t you deal with your cranky uncle without blubbering on about politics? That seems to be a you thing more than a cranky uncle thing.”)

    36. They breached the Capitol, but didn’t know what to do because their leader didn’t show up.

    37. So much rich fodder today. First and foremost, congratulations Noble! Proud of you for getting over the ‘hump.’
      That Deuce can dribble like he’s on a string. (And I’m his biggest fan, and will fight Z-Man if he says otherwise.)
      Climate change is not politics.

    38. I know googling “How close did rioters come to Mike Pence?” is technically independent research, but I mean, come on.

    39. And don’t disagree with them being losers, but seven people died because of their milling about, and About 150 officers from the Capitol Police, the Metropolitan Police Department and local agencies were injured. Hell of a milling around.

    40. >All I’m asking is that you remember what you said about Jan. 6 right after Jan. 6 happened, and say the following: “I was wrong, Cock Jowles! The media did not, in actuality, fabricate or inflate its size and intensity.”<

      I don't remember exactly what I said back then, but I'll elaborate on what I think now.

      Several thousand right wings idiots went to a Trump rally because they believed the election was stolen with fraudulent mail in ballots, illegal ballot harvesting, and possibly crooked voting machines. They got whipped into a frenzy of emotion by Trump. Later in the day, x% went to the Capitol and started rioting and trying break in to stop the voting process. Some got in. Others followed not even knowing they weren't allowed in. Police threw in the towel and actually LET some others in. Some small percentage that entered the building had bad intentions, did damage, and would have done worse if they had the chance. But virtually no one was armed and most didn't do much but walk around. I think 5 people died (2-3 from heart attacks or strokes??).

      Insurrections are an area of expertise for our CIA (lmao). Idiots like this not so much. It takes many years of expert planning and propaganda, involves much much larger numbers of people, weapons, possibly military or armed opposition support etc.. Like many other riots, this could have been stopped with better security. It was a terribly unfortunate incident, but it wasn't an insurrection.

      I don't mean to make light of any of it, but I won't be on the streets of NY the night the Knicks win the championship. Unfortunately, it could be worse.

      It's being called an insurrection by the media for political impact and gain.

    41. Definition of insurrection: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government.

      That’s actually what it was, much more so than, for example, a game of chicken. Strat, you’re an inveterate and incorrigible (and perhaps utterly compulsive) goal-post changer, but there’s nothing in there about number of people or weapons or length of time planning or how many need to be injured or die to qualify. They went in to foil an election.

      “…and started rioting and trying break in to stop the voting process.”

      Your words. Insurrection.

      Sure the word sounds oo-woo scary. Because it’s about trying to destroy our democracy. It is, in fact, scary as shit. The fact that it was poorly planned and run by morons (with one, as GHenmann points out, chickening out at the end) made it a failed insurrection.

    42. I’m not willing to do even the most cursory research or watch government bipartisan proceedings with testimony about what happened, but I have an opinion

    43. Raven,

      I’m not moving the goal post.

      You are missing the nuance.

      The goal of the gathering was NOT to overthrow the government, to destroy democracy, to remove a sitting or fairly elected president or to do anything even close to that. That “would” be an insurrection. That’s what the media is feeding people in order to destroy Trump once and for all.

      The goal was to halt the process and address claims of election irregularities. They thought the election was stolen.

      You can think they were idiots for thinking it was stolen, be 100% satisfied there was no widespread cheating, think this was a terrible way to go about addressing their misguided beliefs, and still understand it was an emotion driven riot and not an attempt to bring the government down.

      On scale of 1-10, we’ve had worse riots, even at state capitols.

    44. Guys, stop engaging with Strat on this issue. It is a waste of everyone’s virtual breath, and much less fun than when we are making equally futile attempts to discuss modern basketball strategy and team-building with him.

    45. It’s pretty funny to think that people who showed up to the capitol in tactical gear, chanted “hang Mike Pence,” and beat the absolute shit out of hundreds of police officers in order to breach the capitol would’ve simply said “sir, we need to halt the proceedings to address election irregularities” if they caught up to Mike Pence

    46. I admitted I was wrong about the Steph decline phase and this is what happens

    47. The fact that the rioters were that close to Mike Pence and still didn’t do anything cuts in favor of what I’m saying and not its opposite. Had they wanted to actually insurrect, the opportunity was staring them directly in the face. The fact that they eschewed such an easy opportunity speaks volumes about their actual intent and purpose.

      Other than sloganeering in favor of general Trumpiness and a general belief that “the election was stolen,” the losers really had no political purpose. Were it otherwise, I’d happily conclude otherwise. I’ve passed the same bar exam that TNFH is going to find out in a few months he passed, and those of us who have done so know that the critical element is the intention of the trespassers. Trespassing to take a leak is different, e.g., than trespassing with the intent to kill someone inside. I’d hope we’d all agree on that.

      And that intent to do “something else” is what’s missing in the record. Typically that intent would be proven circumstantially — you killed Mike Pence when you were inside, therefore we’re going to conclude that you trespassed with the intent to kill Mike Pence. If one of them took a shot at Mike Pence or Chuck Schumer or AOC or someone, we’d then fairly conclude that they trespassed with the intent to kill Pence/Schumer/AOC. But they really didn’t … do … anything … once they were inside. Beyond just continuing to trespass and act like fools and idiots, that is. There’s no such offense as “aggravated trespassing,” (at least I don’t think so) but that’s pretty much what it was. It was also conspiracy, of course.

      *************************

      “It is, in fact, scary as shit. ”

      I’m not remotely scared. Wasn’t then, aren’t now. There’s no plausible scenario by which they could have stopped the election from being certified. If they’d killed Pence, someone else would have stepped in and certified it and if Trump tried to say it wasn’t certified properly…

    48. I’m thinking about posting some crazy trade ideas to get Mitchell, if we need something to talk about. :D

    49. Please, do, Cyber.

      People, also stop engaging with E on this issue. Or just stop engaging on this issue altogether. Thank you.

      (If I can’t have gif powers, I should at least be able to ring the bell, PTI-style, to move us onto the next topic already.)

    50. The other thing is this. Everyone’s now complaining that Trump “didn’t do anything to stop the mob,” but if Trump had called out troops to the streets on January 6, everyone that day would be wondering and saying if he’d called them out to support the mob, rather than to quell it. And, again, rightfully so. The absolute last thing we needed on January 6 was f/ing troops in the streets of the Capitol summoned up by Big Orange.

      (In fact, it looks like that’s the reason the Pentagon and Guard turned down the initial request for them on around January 2. Great call by them.)

    51. Unless I’m mistaken about the timeline, Strat wasn’t “engaged with” re Jan 6 but was instead called out and provoked.

      Food for thought.

      I also recommended the Serentity Now approach to all this on all sides. Better food for thought. Never going to happen, though, unfortunately.

    52. Fine, fine, Alan. Because I respect you I shall stand down.

      I suppose that means I can’t talk about how climate change ain’t politics, either.

      Heh heh.

      How ’bout them Mets?

    53. OK, some bball.

      djphan

      who is good at basketball on this team?

      First let me say that I really, really hope RJ becomes good. He has had a few promising streaks, seems to have a good work ethic, and I like rooting for him. But “good” would be an outlier outcome at this point, and given he’s getting a fat new contract in 12 months, betting on it seems a sucker’s bet – particularly if we add another high usage player. Assuming a Mitchell trade, I’d rather trade RJ for a more complementary wing.

      As for RJ’s partner in crime, Randle, last year’s awful, awful performance was more the outlier than his good years. But it was so extreme that it’s hard to predict who he’s going to be going forward. I’m somewhat optimistic that Brunson will bring order and put Julius in a position to succeed, but I’m not willing to bet on that, either.

      So if our “stars” aren’t good, who is?

      The fact that we had a Pythag of .500 despite the dominant usage of those two speaks to the quality on the roster elsewhere. There’s a reason we started winning when we started playing the youth – so let’s get into it:

    54. IQ, Obi, Grimes, and Mitch all contributed to wins last year. They performed their roles well, even if those roles were pretty circumscribed. Taking Mitch as an example, he has almost no offensive ability beyond being a finisher – but he’s an exceptional finisher. His defensive rebounding is weak, but he’s the best offensive rebounder in the league. He can seem lost positionally on defense, but he’s an excellent rim-defender and can credibly defend smalls because of his length, speed, and hops. How far can you go with such a limited player? Well, the Mavs won the championship with T-1000 playing a similar role. It would be nice if Mitch rounded out his game, but I don’t see how you don’t call him “good.” WS/48 of .221, BPM of 2.2, VORP of 2 – he’s good.

      IQ was also a net positive on the team last year, despite his many struggles adjusting to the new foul calling, to his new role as a point, and to being a focus of the defense. His offensive WS went up despite a slight dip in his TS% because his assist % rose 50% without a significant increase in TO% and his rebounding % went up. Overall he had a WS/48 of .113, a BPM of .2, and VORP of 1. To be better than average in your second year while adjusting to a central, decision-making role is “good.”

      Grimes, in his first year, was better than RJ was in his third. More limited, but part of the game is to do your job and do it well, and Grimes did. League-average TS%, good defense, a WS/48 of .087 (almost average), a BPM of -.3, VORP of .3. His numbers are eerily close to Reggie Bullock, but Grimes has shown in summer league much more playmaking than Reggie had, and he can also get his shot off under pressure and Reggie can’t. So, technically not “good,” but to be around average in your first year is extremely promising. I’m a believer.

    55. Obi – what a puzzle. His numbers clearly say “good,” but his limitations are very obvious night-in, night-out. He’s already an excellent finisher, maybe the fastest big man down the court in the league, which contributes to his WS/48 of .153, BPM of 2, VORP of 1.2. He is clearly good. But he is also as clearly limited as Mitch. He made a big jump from his first year, so I have hope for him rounding out his game – he no longer looks lost on defense, he’s not a black hole on offense, he maybe can shoot the 3…but to me, the potential for greatness lies in his ability to create for himself. Right now he simply can’t, but if he added that to his game, he could be a modern James Worthy.

      As for the vets, Rose is excellent – when he’s not hurt, which is often. Fournier is OK to good; being able to knock down contested 3s at a high rate is an important skill for a 2. Because he gives it back on D, he is also limited (he’ll never be a two-way player), but that doesn’t mean he isn’t decent. I love the Hart signing; he’s made himself into a pretty good player, with fewer peaks but also fewer gaps in his game than Mitch. I could see him getting similar minutes by mid-season to Mitch: you have to play someone who can do what he can do. And Sims is not good, but he is promising, and considering his draft position, that’s amazing. Cam Reddish, not good. If he had RJ’s brain, I’d be excited about him, but he doesn’t, and I don’t want to waste words on a future Mav signed for the vet minimum. We’ve done that already.

      And, oh yes, Brunson. Do I need to make his case?

    56. So yeah, I think we have a lot of decent players. The problem is we have no GREAT players. Also, the good players have so many limitations that the lineups have to fit together perfectly to compensate for everyone’s weaknesses at any time on the floor. If you have Obi in there, you need more creation; if you have Mitch, you need outside shooting; etc. The one place where it could come together and make for a winning team is defense – not coincidentally, Thibs’ forte. After the ASB, with a healthy Mitch, we had the #3 defense, which feels about right to me (certainly with Brunson). We are also relatively deep – flat, but deep. There isn’t a huge distance between the starters and bench, so we should run like hell and use that depth and intensity on D to win more games than we should (a la 2020-21). Thibs likes to play his guys lots of minutes, but way to get the most out of this team is to play the top 10 or so roughly even minutes, amp up the pace, and get after it on D. That team should make the playoffs.

      Of course, to do anything in the playoffs, you need at least one great player – or more well-rounded good players. I think IQ and Grimes can be well-rounded players, I think Obi could be great, but really, the only path is for us to make a few trades. So if we do acquire Mitchell, we need to retain enough capital to make the necessary subsequent trade. Then we’d be legit. If we can’t hold onto enough of our good young players and draft picks, then don’t make the trade, hope for growth from our already good young core, and pray that RJ becomes worth the draft slot. (Or that a better star somehow becomes available, a la Kawhi.)

    57. Well, my new crazy idea would be to send Randle to Dallas for Bertans and Josh Green, he’s young (21) and was a pick #18. At the same time, we agree to lift the protections on the Dallas pick. That helps Dallas have 3 picks to trade (25, 27 and 29) to improve the team, and helps the Knicks send one more unprotected pick to Utah.
      We then send Bertans and Green to Utah, along with Cam Reddish, and 5 picks (3 unprotected – NYK 23, DAL 23, NYK 25; 2 protected – WAS 23 top14, MIL 25 top4). And Donovan Mitchell comes to NY.
      If Ainge doesn’t want Bertans as filler and he prefers Fournier, we can swap them and have Bertans as Obi’s backup.

    58. (If I can’t have gif powers, I should at least be able to ring the bell, PTI-style, to move us onto the next topic already.)

      But Brian just posted an image, Alan. The world isn’t fair, agree?

    59. Wow, Rama, if i knew you were about to post such a deep analysis of our team, i wouldn’t have sent the crazy trade idea. ;)

    60. So which Obi is real:

      Pre-ASG Obi, with the .226 3Pt% and .580 TS%;
      Post-ASG Obi with the .408 3Pt% and .675 TS%;
      April Obi with the .463 3Pt% and .689 TS% (averaging 27.2/6.2/2.8)?

    61. So which Quick is real:

      Pre-ASG IQ with the .328 3Pt% and .509 TS%;
      Post ASG IQ with the .383 3Pt% and .599 TS%;
      April IQ averaging 20.0/7.2/8.8?

    62. I don’t know which Obi is real, but it would be criminal to not let him at least try to reach those lofty levels with high minutes. He was clearly more comfortable towards the end of the season and it could mean nothing, bit a wisely ran franchise has to at least attempt to harness the potential he has shown.

    63. Unless I’m mistaken about the timeline, Strat wasn’t “engaged with” re Jan 6 but was instead called out and provoked.

      He is the Chad Ford of this board. I’m simply holding him accountable for his hot takes. That’s not provocation. That’s being reminded of the things you’ve said and what it represents about you that you would rather bob and weave than admit that you had a stupid take about an important thing.

      He absolutely cannot admit that he was wrong about anything, ever. The whole house of cards would collapse if he did.

    64. E, if you need more than 15 to 20 words to define insurrection…c’mon man, would you really believe you…

      i know you’re somewhat inclined to “define” terms/concepts/whatever as you see fit…we all have that ability…has driven me crazy with 2 of the 3 kids over the years…

      ask them if they want to play a game (sport/card/board), they’re all in to it…explain the pretty well established rules, in some cases clearly written – and still, they can’t help themselves but want to improvise…

      i’ve learned long ago not to waste my time “forcing” them to adhere to certain game rules…it’s just not fun, for anyone…you don’t wanna play by the rules, fine, go do your own thing…

      merriam-webster and lots of others have provided some insight on exactly what it means to insurrect:
      Definition of insurrection
      : an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

    65. Dedicated to all Deuce fans among us, especially his number 1 fan… Z-man! ;)
      https://twitter.com/NBA_NewYork/status/1552354351145943041

      i remember during summer league him and grimes mentioning that they had been practicing at the training facility since early spring i believe…

      even with julius and evian on the team i think we’ll reach between 42 to 46 wins next season, i’m really interested to see our young players continue to grow…it’s very rewarding from a fan perspective…

    66. you’re an interesting individual who seems pretty sharp, you wanna argue something E – convince me free will exists…please…

    67. I think Obi can legitimately be a 20+ PPG, .600 TS%+ player. He’s already basically there on a rate basis but I think he can get do it as a full time player. Between transition and off ball movement he gets more easy points than anyone else on the team, and having a big who can actually punish switches with an efficient post up is pretty valuable.

      His ceiling will depend on his jumper, defense, and continued self-creation improvement but I think he can be a pretty ideal modern 4. We should keep him. Ideally trade Randle, but if push comes to shove just bench Randle in favor of the superior player.

      I love Quickley but am a little more skeptical of him because I don’t know how much you can trust the high fTR, low rim attempts profile. It’s gonna be hard for him to get his efficiency to a great place without more layups. He also needs to get better at making, ahem, quicker decisions–that dude loves passing up a reasonably good 3PT shot for a much worse floater.

      He did seem to be working on getting to the rim as the season went on though and his gravity is a serious weapon. I think there’s a fringe all-star ceiling in there if a lot goes right, but he’s a pretty safe bet to be a valuable player in some capacity.

    68. Randle’s trainer put out a video of him in a gym today he looks like he’s slimmed down a bit

    69. I think you’re underestimating how difficult it is to average 20ppg with a 60% TS%. It’s easy to average 9ppg with a 60% TS% but just assuming with more playing time and shots the efficiency will stay the same is my issue with the per 36 and per 40 averages.

    70. TNFH, but Obi can’t actually punish switches with an efficient post up. Last season I remember he maybe did it once. It certainly wasn’t a regular thing.

    71. Hubert, i don’t understand your point, you think we should walk away from the negotiation? We have the best offer, so we can (and shoud) wait. You want us to take the (best) offer off the table? Paving the way for another team to go after Mitchell, maybe a Riley miracle once again?

      My point is that I don’t think this is much of a negotiation. I think Ainge said “this is the price”, and the Knicks are trying to figure out how/if they can pay it.

      I am firmly not in the camp that thinks Danny Ainge is worried about having Mitchell on his roster next year.

    72. Re: Jan 6th… When Abraham Lincoln spoke at Lyceum, he was talking about this congress that we currently have. They are a despicable lot whose refusal to govern and abdication from leadership has caused irreparable harm to the country and the world.

      They should be under attack every fucking day.

    73. This is Lincoln at Lyceum, by the way, warning us about where we are now:

      At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!–All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

      At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

    74. To any sportswriters reading this blog, I read the Athletic’s recent article with grades for every team’s free agency’s off-season and it could have been better. Despite claiming to be based on moves so far, several teams got incomplete as grades (Nets, Hornets, Knicks, Lakers and Jazz). That’s a cop out based on the premise of the article. All the graded teams were B- or better except Miami, which got a C, so basically everyone did well, which seems unlikely to be real to me. The paragraph and grade for each team was written by the sportswriter for each team, and they clearly like their team and strove to be positive. So, overall, it wasn’t as interesting as it could have been. Next time, maybe they could have the grades for each team be written by the sportswriter for one of the team’s main rivals. That would be more interesting.

    75. I’m not going to engage the insurrection apologists here. I just want to say, for the record, that the infamous storming of the bastille (i.e. the July 14th insurrection) was carried out by a whipped up mob of x% of a few thousand rally-goers. Not only were they crudely armed (they used a pocketknife to cut off the governor’s head), but they were buffoons and imbeciles and of no strategic capability to overthrow the monarchy that day. All they accomplished was the liberation of seven politically insignificant prisoners and the king and queen weren’t deposed until 4 full years later. But that event, even then, was seen as the beginning of the end of the French government. I wouldn’t dismiss the Capitol riot as insignificant just yet. They aimed for democracy’s chest and missed, but there’s a plausible future where January 6th is celebrated here with fireworks 200 years from now the way July 14 is over there.

    76. So yeah, I think we have a lot of decent players. The problem is we have no GREAT players. Also, the good players have so many limitations that the lineups have to fit together perfectly to compensate for everyone’s weaknesses at any time on the floor.

      I am with you. I think that is way in 20-21 Randle was so important, as he was the jack of all trades that glued the team together. He distributed, he got defensive rebounds and he had an outside shot. Last year the outside shot disappeared and the turnovers accumulated….

      A good PG (which I believe Brunson will be) can have a similar impact, putting everyone in the place to succeed, at least on offense. On defense, we might need some vocal leader, although that is probably Thibs currently. I think the biggest problem we have now is the amount of possessions and effort we spend on making RJ a viable ball handler, he does not have an outside shoot, he does not finishes well, and he does not make his free throws. He has to correct at least one of these three things to really have some kind of go-to offense. But he soaks usage as if he was competent on all three, and it hurts the team.

    77. #Randle’s trainer put out a video of him in a gym today he looks like he’s slimmed down a bit#

      I’d prefer a video by Randle’s Psychologist where Julius would look like he’s concerned a bit!

    78. Julius getting into the best shape of his life is part of what led to his 2020-21 season. But at this point, his brain is the body part most in need of getting in shape, and that is something that an Instagram photo cannot show us.

    79. The French Revolution was a product of the Enlightenment and the Enlightenment in turn advocated the critical importance of reason and rationality and truth and intellectual curiosity and scientific inquiry — as opposed to passion and irrationality and superstition.

    80. I think the biggest problem we have now is the amount of possessions and effort we spend on making RJ a viable…

      This looks like the 3rd season in a row where I think the most important factor is what we have in RJ and his development. I am not sure if that is a good thing or bad thing, but tending toward the latter.

    81. E, all merc’d out
      July 29, 2022 at 7:02 am
      The French Revolution was a product of the Enlightenment and the Enlightenment in turn advocated the critical importance of reason and rationality and truth and intellectual curiosity and scientific inquiry — as opposed to passion and irrationality and superstition.

      I don’t think the stated reasons for a revolution matter much. It just matters that people are very unhappy with the state of their country.

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