Knicks Morning News (2022.07.27)

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    75 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2022.07.27)”

    1. Hey, our old pal Robert Silverman was on the Knicks Film School Podcast this morning, offering a healthy dose of skepticism to a show I enjoy greatly but definitely tends to look at things as the glass being three quarters full at all times. A good conversation.

    2. Is it really too much to ask for the Knicks to just run out the team we have right now?

      Which made me wonder:

      Does anyone think that any of the Knicks “braintrust” reads KB? It doesn’t seem like a stretch to think that during slow times like this, someone stumbles onto the conversation here…

      Also, does Macri read KB? Does he ever post here?

    3. I do not get the sense Macri visits here. Since Silverman and the other regular writers bailed for paying gigs, we are basically just a message board, and one that would be entirely too negative for him.

    4. If Macri posts here, he’s definitely Swift. :D Going to check the podcast, Alan, thanks for the tip. Nice article from The Knicks Wall on Toppin at the beginning of the morning news list.

    5. Does anyone think that any of the Knicks “braintrust” reads KB?

      Given our universal consensus on Mr. Dolan, I suspect viewing this site on company time or company devices means instant dismissal. What each one does on his own time in the privacy of his own home is another matter.

    6. And somehow the Donovan Mitchell news ruined the attention that Brunson should be getting. We got ourselves a very good player.

      Ersin Demir @EDemirNBA:
      Jalen Brunson has the most (!) points per possession (PPP) as the P&R ball handler: 1.06
      He ranks 2nd (!) in field goal percentage (FG%) in the same category, right behind CP3 with 52.7%
      The Knicks as a team had the 2nd worst FG% in possesssions via the P&R ball handler last yr

    7. I suspect at least one of the beat writers reads this board.

      A few times I made a point about something I didn’t see written or talked about anywhere. Then an article mentioning that same point came out a day or two later. I don’t want to say who it was, but it was the same person every time. It’s one of those things that makes you say “hmmmmn”.

    8. Maybe there’s one Knicks employee who couldn’t find a good Waiting for Godot or Moby Dick forum and stumbled across KB

    9. Seriously though, KB was part of the truehoop network that ESPN had for a while. I’m sure people checked it out back in the day.

    10. This game of chicken negotiation is nonsensical.

      Ainge knows the Knicks are interested and the Knicks know Ainge has to move Mitchell so he get on with trading the rest of his player assets and set up the tank. The framework shouldn’t take more than a day or two. Then you can debate some details on pick protections etc.. If they can’t find a deal in 2 days, there is no deal. All they are doing is backing up the entire league. In the end, the deals will be exactly the same whether they are done this week or weeks from now.

    11. This game of chicken negotiation is nonsensical.

      Patience is the essence of negotiation. Patience = torque. I realize that people are impatient for something to happen, but the fact it hasn’t is a very good sign we are negotiating well. Even if nothing happens, it was still a good negotiation: you don’t negotiate in a silo – the whole league is watching. If this transaction doesn’t come together, it still sends a message to everyone else that we aren’t going to play ourselves the way we always have.

      People want this team to stop being a clown show, then when they are no longer a walking catastrophe, it’s “why isn’t anything happening? This is ridiculous.”

      So far, the only outright poor negotiation was the “incineration,” which, however bad you consider it, was not a strong move. Everything else you can debate (should we have signed Randle or traded him? should we have dumped picks to unload enough salary to sign Brunson? etc), but that’s about strategy, not about execution. The execution has generally been very good…including the patience being shown with this potential move, which we all agree would not itself change our place all that much.

    12. I assume part of the prolonged negotiations is seeing if a 3rd or 4th team can be brought in to make the deal more palatable to the Knicks & Jazz.

      A potential KD or Kyrie trade also has the trade in a holding pattern. The Heat may make moves to get additional draft picks for DMitch afterwards or Lakers may give up picks for Randle/Rose/Fournier or whoever.

    13. “Is it really too much to ask for the Knicks to just run out the team we have right now?”
      Other than having more time to integrate the after DM trade team, I see no great reason to trade now. I’d much prefer to see a half-season of seeing how much the putative trade pieces, plus Randle and RJ. Highly unlikely that the trade pieces regress so much as to raise the Knicks’ cost of the trade.

    14. My best guess is that if it is a 2-way deal, the “worst” final deal will be something like:

      Fournier, DRose, Grimes, Cam, McBride plus 6 picks (2 or 3 unprotected) plus pick swaps

      I think the Knicks hold firm on IQ and Obi.

      If it’s a 3-way deal with the Lakers, my guess is that the Lakers 2027 replaces one of our unprotected picks and that Randle, Rose and Fournier wind up on the Lakers, and it’s a toss-up whether Westbrook winds up on the Jazz or Knicks.

      But I’m more inclined to think that Randle and Obi both stay put and if someone else goes out it will be IQ.

    15. “Seriously though, KB was part of the truehoop network that ESPN had for a while. I’m sure people checked it out back in the day.”

      This is how I found knickerblogger back in the Amar’e days, unless I misremember. I’m sure at least a few semi-important people stumbled on here similarly at some point or another.

    16. “Patience is the essence of negotiation. Patience = torque. I realize that people are impatient for something to happen, but the fact it hasn’t is a very good sign we are negotiating well.”

      I understand that’s the way it usually works and it’s a good sign for us that we aren’t willing to give away the farm, but in this case I think it’s all silly. A tough negotiation is when both sides have clear cut alternatives that will also make them happy. In this case, Ainge wants picks and we want Mitchell. No one else is offering Ainge a comparable pick heavy deal and as far as I know there are no other players we are considering trading for. What’s the old saying, “sh1t or get off the pot”. :-)

    17. “A few times I made a point about something I didn’t see written or talked about anywhere. Then an article mentioning that same point came out a day or two later.”

      Jowles, do you want to take this one? I’m feeling a bit under the weather today.

    18. >Jowles, do you want to take this one? I’m feeling a bit under the weather today.<

      What's to question or debate?

      I said something about the Knicks or a specific Knick that was not discussed or brought up anywhere and suddenly my insight and take was covered a day or two later. Either I realized something before the beat writers did (hardly an accomplishment) or someone (who shall remain nameless) is reading this forum. Next time it happens (if), I'll bring it up.

    19. I’m pretty sure Alan Hahn would at least occasionally read Knickerblogger back in the day when he was still a lowly beat writer. Don’t know if he ever was a poster, though…

    20. I’ve had a beat writer reuse a stat I tweeted in one of his articles. He liked the tweet and followed me.

      It’s not impossible.

      It’s hard to have a new take on the Knicks every day, 365 days a year.

      Most fans aren’t satisfied by 1 billion repetitions on Frank Ntilikina argument. We need a threefold repetitions end in a draw rule.

    21. we are basically just a message board, and one that would be entirely too negative for him.

      We could be a positive board but good things would have to happen first.

    22. This game of chicken negotiation is nonsensical.

      Ainge knows the Knicks are interested and the Knicks know Ainge has to move Mitchell so he get on with trading the rest of his player assets and set up the tank. The framework shouldn’t take more than a day or two. Then you can debate some details on pick protections etc.. If they can’t find a deal in 2 days, there is no deal. All they are doing is backing up the entire league. In the end, the deals will be exactly the same whether they are done this week or weeks from now.

      The crack in this dam is that Ainge really doesn’t have to trade Mitchell. The idea that he’s sweating bullets about the possibility of a disgruntled Donovan starting the season on the Jazz is misguided.

      I doubt it’s a game of chicken at all. Ainge told us what the price is, and we will either meet it or go another direction. If anything, we’re the ones playing games and testing his resolution.

    23. we will either meet it or go another direction

      That’s literally the definition of playing chicken.

    24. Seriously though, KB was part of the truehoop network that ESPN had for a while. I’m sure people checked it out back in the day.

      Same. The other day I realized I’ve been checking KB almost every day since 2007. I had a flashback to logging onto the public computer terminals in the humanities building in college, like those ones that are at standing height and with the CRT monitors, scrolling through debates about Renaldo Balkman’s playing time. Fifteen years???

    25. No, Rama, it is not. It’s the definition of being indecisive.

      Chicken involves the possibility that the price can go down. I think it’s pretty clear Ainge isn’t dropping the price.

      Let’s say you go shopping at Macy’s and you like a jacket that costs $400. You spend an hour trying to haggle the price down, and it’s still $400. And then you start trying to sell worthless trinkets to all your friends for $150 so you can pay for the jacket. You’re not playing chicken with Macy’s. You’re just wasting everyone’s time.

    26. Maybe it’s throwback KB everywhere and not only here. Take a look at the twitter thread i’ve found on my timeline. :)

      @Orange_and_Ploo:
      Back in 2016, I wrote a piece for Knickerblogger about whiteness & the Knicks beat:
      knickerblogger.net/whiteness-and-the-knicks-beat/
      I decided to take a peak, 6 years later to see what’s changed, if anything. Follow me…
      https://twitter.com/Orange_and_Ploo/status/1552297012179226631

    27. A team with Mitchell, Mike Conley, Patrick Beverly, etc….is probably not making the playoffs but will be competitive enough to put Utah in the dreaded no man’s land of rebuilding teams. If Ainge wants a full reset, he will want to trade Mitchell before the season starts so that the team has no chance of making the playoffs and can be one of the worst teams in the league, assuring him a top 5 pick. Plus, you keep Mitchell, then there is a chance he gets hurt or just disgruntled being on a non-competitive team during his prime. Mitchell seems like a good solider and maybe Ainge doesn’t care about draft position THAT much and he’s willing to hold out to get more stuff in a trade. But I bet Ainge wants this done and is just waiting to see if another team can/is willing to whatever our offer is. All I know is that if we were truly offering up everything but the kitchen sink it would be done by now, so it’s encouraging in some ways.

    28. My best guess is that if it is a 2-way deal, the “worst” final deal will be something like:

      Fournier, DRose, Grimes, Cam, McBride plus 6 picks (2 or 3 unprotected) plus pick swaps

      I think the Knicks hold firm on IQ and Obi.

      I think you are right, but can we please take a step back?

      We are talking about a team with a 0% chance of winning an NBA title surrendering the largest package of assets in the history of the NBA for a player who not increase our chances to even 1%.

      If this trade happens like that, it will be a major inflection point and teams are going to stop trading for quite a bit until the market cools down. The last trade to be an inflection point was Brooklyn and Boston. This would be that kind of bad.

    29. I think we need to hold firm at 4 picks (2-3 unprotected) + 2 swaps. That beats the Gobert trade by one swap. Then add Rose + Fournier for Salary. If they insist on young players McBride and Cam are all I offer.

      If that is not enough then walk away and dare them to find a better trade.

      Any more than that and we are bidding against ourselves.

    30. who was mike plugh?

      man, that dude could write and express themselves really really well…

      edit: okay i get it now, mike was chris…

      edit to the edit: okay, NOW i get it…maybe…mike was not chris…

    31. I think this is exactly how a negotiation like this should go down. Ever wonder why almost all the deals are right around the trade deadline? That’s because if you trade a player in December, and unless it’s for a return you’re almost sure you won’t get again, you’re risking that there’s better opportunities at the deadline that you won’t be able to take advantage of because you blew it by trading your chips too soon. I think there’s little chance that this deal gets done before training camp, and even then we’ll probably let the season begin, to evaluate what we have and to check if Ainge blinks first.
      Let’s hope we won’t start 1-9 or 2-8 and feel the urge to trade for Mitchell.

    32. Danny doesn’t have to trade Mitchell but at the same time we don’t have to trade for him. I think this team could be pretty good (especially if we move Julius)

    33. edit: okay i get it now, mike was chris…
      edit to the edit: okay, NOW i get it…maybe…mike was not chris…

      LOL! You’re on an editing spree, Geo, keep it going! ;D

    34. Like the other team interested in Donovan the Ainge media flunkies are trying to hype up are transparently false

    35. honestly, the thing i got most out of reading that old thread – man, i hope i haven’t posted too much stupid racist/homophobic/sexist shit…that stuff lasts forever online…

    36. I do not miss reub and BobNeptune…

      And what about the opposite? Which posters do we miss? I miss Farfa, he wrote a lot of epic game recaps for us. :)

    37. Jim Cavan’s post game recaps were the absolute best, definitely miss those.

    38. I miss Farfa.

      Agree with @cyber: DMitchell hype is adding noise to the main signal —> we got Brunson (and Hartenstein!)

      If we do get Mitchell, fine, but IQ and Obi should not be traded.

    39. stop KB Apprentice are you trying to stop all future conversation by simplifying the whole situation in to a simple 34 word post…

      you have truly now become the scourge of enlightened discourse…

      it should now be your responsibility to distract us all further…it’s only fair…what else do you have on your mind?

    40. Agree wholeheartedly on Jim Cavan, EB, and am glad that he’s been able to fashion a career to show off his immense talent. Thinking of him reminded me of the loss of his son, and in turn with what Swifty and Mrs. Swifty went through, which in turn has me wondering how the little one is doing now. What’s your own sleep like these days?

    41. “A few times I made a point about something I didn’t see written or talked about anywhere. Then an article mentioning that same point came out a day or two later.”

      1) Frank Ntilikina is an NBA-caliber point guard
      2) defense is important in basketball winning
      3) you have to make your team attractive to free agents by spending all of your cap space on veterans or else they will never want to sign with your team for $200 million dollars
      4) the #12 pick is basically the #1 pick when you consider all of the facts and there also is no guarantee that the #1 pick will be better than the #12 pick so
      5) Jan. 6 was a lie by the lying media liars

      which was it

    42. @geo — *** you have truly now become the scourge of enlightened discourse…***

      Haha. Oh no! Sorry. I’m just posting in between packing my apartment for an impending move. Yikes.

      As for enlightenment (if not Enlightenment exactly) I just packed a wonderful book by Sarah Bakewell called How to Live: Or A Life of Montaigne in One Question and Twenty Attempts at an Answer. We can digress there if you wish or with equal pleasure we can discuss My Life by John Starks which is now in the same box ;-)

    43. “The #12 pick is the new #1 pick” would be a great TV series. LOL And my money is on Berman being the beat writer that echoed Strat. Only Strat, the rest of us are not worthy of the honor. LOLOL

    44. As much as I appreciate Cavan, it was BigBlueAl. It’s my fault because I normally make every other post

    45. Dammit, I even meant to say BBA instead of EB. I guess my fingers are so accustomed to responding to your many, many posts, EB.

      That, and the loss of the “quote this” functionality on top of all the other HTML coding has made things more annoying around here.

    46. hi kb apprentice…I hope you’re doing well, moves can be a challenge, even when done with hopeful purpose…

      I hope you are doing well and able to stay focused on the stuff that matters…whatever that stuff may be…

      at the docs now with mom (busted foot), idly wondering which of the kids I’m raising may be sitting with me 20 years for now when I’m going to the docs…

      I’ll check those titles and authors you mentioned a bit later…

      there have definitely been moments in my life where I’ve tried to really focus on improving myself (as opposed to blissfully indulging in complacency and contentment)…

      it sounds like you mean to get the most out of you…

    47. @geo Thanks for the kind words. Right back at you. I hope your trip to the doc is not too stressful (or costly!).

    48. Ha just noticed Alan it’s all good, I’m sure I’m not the only one who misses Jim’s postgame recaps!

      Speaking of guys like jon abbey and ruru still don’t think anyone can match Ted Nelson.

    49. awwww thanks, trip was good, ma got a boot and she’s doing fine…

      ma’s a serious overachiever (I’m sure there’s more than a few folks here that can relate to that), so things stay busy around her, that’s a challenge for me, but nothing a little xanax, a lot of weed, and a 5 mile walk in the sun can’t cure…

    50. Actually, I also remember writing something here and seeing something similar in a newspaper column a few days later. But it only happened once and I don’t know if it was a real thing. I don’t remember the topic.

    51. ***Does anyone think that any of the Knicks “braintrust” reads KB?
      Given our universal consensus on Mr. Dolan, I suspect viewing this site on company time or company devices means instant dismissal***

      Are you implying that there is a Knicks blog site out there that is pro-Dolan? Cause if so I gotta check that out.

    52. Are you implying that there is a Knicks blog site out there that is pro-Dolan? Cause if so I gotta check that out.

      Most online Knick coverage is very much pro-Knick.

    53. “Chicken involves the possibility that the price can go down. I think it’s pretty clear Ainge isn’t dropping the price.”

      That’s fine. Some deals can’t get done.

      What you are supposed to do is ask “Is this absolutely your final ask, because if it is, we are moving on to trying to trade Randle and that may involve multiple teams and picks.”
      But you have to actually mean it. If Ainge says “Yes”, then you go about talking to teams that expressed any interest in Randle.

      If word gets out that a deal for Randle is brewing and he wants to give us a call, that’s fine. Just don’t count on it and don’t bend. He is going to trade Mitchell. It’s just a matter of when and to who. If he’s willing to wait, start the season with an unhappy star, risk an injury that destroys his value, and mess up his tank, so be it. We know what other teams can offer. We can beat that without bending over for Ainge. And we don’t have to have Mitchell now or ever. Our assets aren’t going anywhere.

    54. ***Most online Knick coverage is very much pro-Knick.***

      But are they pro-DOLAN? (do they write stuff like “the Knicks are missing the playoffs, but at least we have great ownership”, or “in Dolan we trust”, or “sure, Vin Baker didn’t work out, but the next time an allstar recovering alcoholic becomes a free agent he’s going to WANT to come here”, or “Oakley was rude”, or “Aretha Franklin should open for Dolan next time”?)

    55. They are pro-Dolan in the sense that, for instance, they take the team’s side over how terribly the team treats the media. (Another thing Silverman and Macri discussed this morning.)

    56. THCJ,

      1) Frank is still an NBA guard, on a serious contender, played important minutes deep into the playoffs, and is still young enough to move forward significantly. He may be disappointing me so far, but he still has a role.

      2) What I’ve said is that defense is underrated relative to offense for winning championships and should be the primary focus of team building. You want to lock in high caliber defenders while searching for and developing stars. Most teams look for scorers and wind up with only good offenses and bad defenses that can’t win.

      3) You do have to make your team competitive and improve perceptions around the league. Players have to know you are trying to win (not tank) and are making some progress. Otherwise guys like Brunson won’t come. And if Brunson doesn’t come, you aren’t even in the conversation for Mitchell.

      4) I never said anything even approaching that

      5) Jan. 6 was basically a riot by a few thousand unarmed idiots that was turned into an insurrection for political gain. The republicans have all the guns. If there is ever an insurrection most of the media won’t even be able to report on it.

      But none of that was what was potentially lifted from the board. I’ll let you know when if it happens again.

    57. “Actually, I also remember writing something here and seeing something similar in a newspaper column a few days later. But it only happened once and I don’t know if it was a real thing. I don’t remember the topic.”

      That wouldn’t shock me. I don’t think it’s too difficult to figure out who I think reads this blog and gets ideas.

    58. “They are pro-Dolan in the sense that, for instance, they take the team’s side over how terribly the team treats the media. (Another thing Silverman and Macri discussed this morning.)”

      Some people are hoping for a career writing about the Knicks, basketball in general, or want a bigger role in the future if they have a small one now. Someone like that may tend to be more careful what they say about Dolan, Knicks management, or any sensitive issues related to the team. If they are too critical, they are unlikely to gain access and risk getting cut off. In Dolan’s case, that seems especially true. Someone that has no interest in any of that (like most posters here) will just say what they think.

    59. unlike most math, there is a little bit of a broader answer for word definition/meaning…however…

      insurrection is what it is…

    60. Danny doesn’t have to trade Mitchell but at the same time we don’t have to trade for him.

      You’re absolutely right. But if we are still in engaged with a man who wants everything we got, it makes we wonder if we know that. A team that doesn’t have to trade for D Mitchell should not even be having conversations about 3 or 4 unprotected picks and our best young players.

    61. Hubert, I read somewhere that the Knicks position with Utah was basically like you can have picks or you can have young players, but you can’t have both.

    62. I understood it to be something like you can’t have all our picks and young players, but you can have a lot of them.

    63. I like Mitchell a lot. And I think a very underrated aspect of this deal is our ability to use Brunson in a package down the road, i.e. at least two years. (The addition of Hartenstein, I believe does the same with Mitch.) But this is as high as I would go:

      2023 first (unprotected)
      2025 first (unprotected)
      Randle, Fournier, and Rose to the Lakers for Westbrook and two firsts to the Jazz.
      Rokas, McBride, and their choice of all the other teams’ picks we have.

    64. The goal isn’t to pay what Mitchell is worth or even pay what we are willing to pay. The goal is to make an offer that is 5-10% better than any other offer out there and wait. We should be in zero rush. If the trade happens this summer, during the season, or even next summer that is just fine. Time is much more on our side than Ainge’s. Plus we are a good trading partner for Ainge; we are in a different conference, we will still be mediocre enough that with the play-in our unprotected picks could land in the lottery, and we are one of the places Mitchell wants to go.

      So, using the Gobert trade as a comp, 4 picks + 2 swaps and no notable young talent is the offer.

      We have to be willing to not make the trade if the terms are bad. That is the only way we don’t get fleeced. I am certainly good with walking away. We are probably a 6-10 seed without Mitchell, probably a 4-8 seed with him.

      I would love to just move Randle and Rose and see what happens this year.

    65. They are pro-Dolan in the sense that, for instance, they take the team’s side over how terribly the team treats the media. (Another thing Silverman and Macri discussed this morning.)

      The amount of fucking bootlicking on Knicks Twitter about that shit is gross as fuck.

    66. No, Rama, it is not. It’s the definition of being indecisive.

      “Playing chicken” definition: to engage in a test of courage in which, typically, two vehicles are driven directly toward one another in order to see which driver will swerve away first

      Your statement: “we will either meet it or go another direction”

      Again, that is LITERALLY THE DEFINITION. The cars will either “meet” (crash) or “go another direction” (swerve). In this case, to “meet” would be neither party standing down, thus both lose – we don’t get the player, Ainge doesn’t get a package better than anyone else has offered. I would prefer the “both lose” path, so it’s not a perfect analogy, because we won’t be dead, we’ll just be going into the season with the team we already have. But the point is that it is indeed a game of chicken by the definition you yourself offered.

    67. ***Jan. 6 was basically a riot ***

      I think strat felt empowered to post some particularly bad takes today because he knew that tnfh would be too busy taking the bar exam to notice.

    68. Nah, Strat just won’t watch the January 6 commission because it’s “fake news” with actual Republican administration figures talking about how it was an organized if laughable coup attempt led by Trump and his captains of the inept, Giuliani and Bannon.

      And I guess all the people with guns and other weapons don’t count as “armed” because they were white.

    69. Regarding potential Knicks braintrust reading KB,…there is a remote possibility that TNFH is Brock, the Leon has no plan is just a ruse to put us off-track, and Mitchell trade discussions will resume now that the bar is over.

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