Knicks Morning News (2022.07.26)

  • Oddsmakers Open Odds for OG Anunoby’s Next Team, If Traded – TheSportsGeek.com
    [www.thesportsgeek.com] — Tuesday, July 26, 2022 3:03:22 AM

    Oddsmakers Open Odds for OG Anunoby’s Next Team, If Traded  TheSportsGeek.com

  • Donovan Mitchell’s Aaron Judge tweet ignites Knicks trade rumors – ClutchPoints
    [clutchpoints.com] — Monday, July 25, 2022 11:18:20 PM

    Donovan Mitchell’s Aaron Judge tweet ignites Knicks trade rumors  ClutchPointsKnicks should blame the Timberwolves for the Donovan Mitchell trade drama  Daily KnicksDrafting what Knicks should keep in a Donovan Mitchell trade  The AthleticJazz Trading Donovan Mitchell to Knicks Would Help Nothing  Sports IllustratedHow Knicks stack up against other Donovan Mitchell suitors?  Empire Sports MediaView Full Coverage on Google News

  • Knicks News: Who Experts Expect Team to Select with No. 11 Pick – Bleacher Report
    [bleacherreport.com] — Monday, July 25, 2022 7:06:29 PM

    Knicks News: Who Experts Expect Team to Select with No. 11 Pick  Bleacher Report

  • “That’s the remix version of what Pat Riley brought to the New York Knicks when he came over” – Mark Jackson reflects on Darvin Ham’s recent comments on LA Lakers’ morale – Sportskeeda
    [www.sportskeeda.com] — Monday, July 25, 2022 5:14:36 PM

    “That’s the remix version of what Pat Riley brought to the New York Knicks when he came over” – Mark Jackson reflects on Darvin Ham’s recent comments on LA Lakers’ morale  Sportskeeda

  • Hornets interested in Kemba Walker reunion after Knicks disaster – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Monday, July 25, 2022 3:19:00 PM

    Hornets interested in Kemba Walker reunion after Knicks disaster  New York Post

  • Knicks engage Lakers about Westbrook trade: Reports – AMNY
    [www.amny.com] — Monday, July 25, 2022 2:35:03 PM

    Knicks engage Lakers about Westbrook trade: Reports  AMNY

  • Opinion: LiAngelo Ball? The Miami Heat Or New York Knicks Should Sign Him – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Monday, July 25, 2022 2:00:41 PM

    Opinion: LiAngelo Ball? The Miami Heat Or New York Knicks Should Sign Him  Sports Illustrated

  • This NBA Team Is Reportedly Interested In 2 Former All-Star Guards – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Monday, July 25, 2022 1:21:45 PM

    This NBA Team Is Reportedly Interested In 2 Former All-Star Guards  Sports Illustrated

  • Former Knicks player Maurice Ndour signed wit? – Hoops Hype
    [hoopshype.com] — Monday, July 25, 2022 11:10:36 AM

    Former Knicks player Maurice Ndour signed wit?  Hoops Hype

  • Mavs: The 1 key move Dallas must still make in 2022 NBA offseason – ClutchPoints
    [clutchpoints.com] — Monday, July 25, 2022 9:03:08 AM

    Mavs: The 1 key move Dallas must still make in 2022 NBA offseason  ClutchPoints

  • Celtics-Kevin Durant trade rumors could greatly benefit Knicks – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Monday, July 25, 2022 7:54:00 AM

    Celtics-Kevin Durant trade rumors could greatly benefit Knicks  Daily Knicks

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    43 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2022.07.26)”

    1. Thank you for attending yet another matinee performance of Waiting for Godot

      The show will begin shortl

    2. A disclaimer about yesterday: i love Quick and want to keep him too. It’s just that i value Grimes more, i think he can be a very good 3&D player, and those guys are not easy to find, what you can find easily is the 3&noD guys, like Duncan Robinson (and he managed to get paid like a 2-way guy), Jamal Crawford, and the like.
      I also think Quick’s ceiling is Donovan Mitchell, so if we’re trading for Mitchell, we can spare our Mitchell project.

    3. About the trade, i don’t think this is going to be solved before training camp, so i’ll probably refrain from the topic because my opinion is already stated.

    4. If IQ’s ceiling is Mitchell, we should want to hold on to him (whether we get Mitchell or not). Having two Mitchell’s is a GOOD problem to have. If his ceiling is that, then with him, Brunson and Mitchell we would literally have the best guard rotation in the NBA.

      Mitchell is on a reasonable contract for 3 more years for his level of play. If we keep IQ and he turns into the next Mitchell, then we are sitting pretty. We could trade one of Brunson, Mitchell or IQ for another star at another position.

      IQ has the highest ceiling out of IQ, Grimes or Obi, which is why we should hold on to him. I know people want Randle gone but I would sacrifice Obi before I sacrifice IQ. I’d sacrifice Grimes before either of them though. Grimes was good. But I think finding a good 3 and D guy late in the draft isn’t THAT difficult. And you can also get guys like that in free agency. Hell, Reggie Bullocks wasn’t that expensive. Is Grimes going to be that much better than Reggie at his peak?

    5. Quick’s ceiling is unlikely because he’s a low floor, high ceiling guy, Grimes is high floor, low ceiling, so it’s much more likely that Grimes hits his ceiling. We need role players around Brunson and Mitchell, not projects. But i won’t explain my point again, i said it yesterday and i won’t change it unless there’s new data.

    6. data?

      way way overrated when it comes to simple conversation :)

      hope you’re staying cool cyber…

    7. What about the link “Oddsmakers Open Odds for OG Anunoby’s Next Team, If Traded – TheSportsGeek.com” on today’s morning news? Is OG Anunoby on the market? :O
      They love RJ in Toronto, and OG is a very good player with a much more reasonable contract (2+1 player option, at 18.5M AAV) than what RJ will command. I assume the ones of us not as high on RJ would find this a good opportunity to trade him. Would you?
      I can’t answer this because i’m still a RJ believer.

    8. hope you’re staying cool cyber…

      Temps have dropped to 85 or less, which now feels like it’s cool, after being 100+ the previous weeks. ;)

    9. because he’s a low floor, high ceiling guy, Grimes is high floor, low ceiling, so it’s much more likely that Grimes hits his ceiling.

      And who has decided this is the case? IQ came in his rookie year and immediately we were all clamoring for him to get more minutes. Grimes had a nice run his rookie year but also got hurt and only played in like a third of the season.

      Also, if a player’s “low floor” is only a little below another player’s “high ceiling” shouldn’t we want the guy who’s high ceiling is MUCH higher than the other player’s high ceiling?

    10. https://theathletic.com/3448724/2022/07/26/jaylen-brown-r-j-barrett-nba-salary-cap/

      A very interesting Hollinger piece on the unexpected impacts the upcoming cap spike may have on player salaries and free agency choices. Of particular note is his suggestion that bargain value contracts now could become a double-edged sword in a few years, because players like Jaylen Brown and Dejounte Murray are limited in what they can make in an extension versus what they could get by becoming a free agent.

      There’s some elaborate math going on here that I will not attempt to sum up, but he argues pretty strongly in favor of paying RJ rather than trying to get him to agree to a more modest salary:

      The logic extends to players well below Morant in the star hierarchy. Max or max-ish long-term extensions for players like Barrett, Herro and Poole seem like almost no-brainers given what’s going to happen with the cap; first, because it’s the only way to preserve extendability, and second, because a rising cap drains out so much of the risk.

    11. Is Anunoby really available? Wouldn’t he be a much better target than Mitchell?

    12. OG has been completely mediocre by almost every single metric: BPM, RAPTOR, & LEBRON.

      EPM likes his defense more, but he’s still far below DMitch. Maybe that’ll change without Gobert backing him up.

    13. Paid little attention to OG over the years, and was never very impressed the few times I’ve watched him, but on paper he looks like a low-usage, highly efficient version of RJ. Interesting to compare them line by line.

      Tbh, if we got Mitchell, OG would probably be a better fit than RJ.

    14. There’s some elaborate math going on here that I will not attempt to sum up, but he argues pretty strongly in favor of paying RJ rather than trying to get him to agree to a more modest salary

      Interesting read, Alan. But i don’t know if i agree with Hollinger, because basically he wants us to pay RJ more now instead of trying to pay him less to have more flexibility in the next 4 years. And for what? For RJ’s extension in 2027 to be more likely at a value he can accept? I think i prefer to worry about cap flexibility in the next 4 years than RJ’s 2027 extension.

    15. Congrats to Chris Herring on Obama putting his Knicks book on his reading list! Wow!

    16. A very interesting Hollinger piece on the unexpected impacts the upcoming cap spike may have on player salaries and free agency choices. Of particular note is his suggestion that bargain value contracts now could become a double-edged sword in a few years, because players like Jaylen Brown and Dejounte Murray are limited in what they can make in an extension versus what they could get by becoming a free agent.

      While I see his point, I just don’t see the Knicks ever being in a situation of, “Holy shit, we can only offer RJ a little bit more than what he can make as a free agent!” Jaylen Brown might be a legit concern, but I don’t see it being a problem with RJ.

    17. I just don’t see RJ as someone who we need to be worrying about that far in the future.

    18. A very interesting Hollinger piece on the unexpected impacts the upcoming cap spike may have on player salaries and free agency choices. Of particular note is his suggestion that bargain value contracts now could become a double-edged sword in a few years, because players like Jaylen Brown and Dejounte Murray are limited in what they can make in an extension versus what they could get by becoming a free agent.

      I’ve been thinking about this topic quite a bit the last few days since Woj broke the story about the Celtics potentially looking to trade Brown for Durant. Even if the Celtics have no particular reason to think Brown wants to leave (and that may be changing based on that “smh” tweet) the fact that they may have no avenue to keep him out of UFA dramatically alters the risk-reward paradigm of something like the Durant trade. Because if Brown were to leave in UFA you not only lose a very good player but because he’d be walking away from his Bird Rights you’d also lose the salary slot as well (barring a sign and trade) which means you can’t even begin to replace him and you’re almost certainly losing your ability to compete in the short term.

      Your first inclination when you think about a Brown-for-Durant swap is that they’d be raising their title odds for a couple seasons at the expense of some long-term contention but because of the huge risk that Brown’s UFA represents, I’m not actually sure that’s true. Durant probably isn’t going to be playing at an all-NBA level at the end of his deal but the potential for being totally out of contention in year 3 is probably actually significantly higher if you don’t make the trade.

    19. I just don’t see RJ as someone who we need to be worrying about that far in the future.

      Yeah, pretty much.

    20. Congrats to Chris Herring on Obama putting his Knicks book on his reading list! Wow!

      Perhaps even better: Spike Lee told Stefan Bondy that he is adapting Herring’s book into a film series of some kind.

    21. Given their contract status and the probable addition of Donovan Mitchell, I would trade RJ for OG in a NY minute.

    22. Honestly, I’m not sure you do the OG trade only because you can probably get a better piece for RJ.

    23. Given their contract status and the probable addition of Donovan Mitchell, I would trade RJ for OG in a NY minute.

      It would be a perfect fit, but yeah, I don’t see Masai being an RJ guy.

    24. Perhaps even better: Spike Lee told Stefan Bondy that he is adapting Herring’s book into a film series of some kind.

      Wow, that’s amazing! It’s too bad, though, that that Q&A you did with Herring and The Kid Mero ended up breaking up Desus and Mero.

    25. I was thinking OG instead of Mitchell and maybe sliding RJ to sg, but if you compare OG to RJ, I don’t see any area where RJ is better.

      @Brian maybe RJ and a couple of those firsts that seem to be burning a hole in our pocket would get it done.

    26. It’s too bad, though, that that Q&A you did with Herring and The Kid Mero ended up breaking up Desus and Mero.

      BRIAN

    27. ***Perhaps even better: Spike Lee told Stefan Bondy that he is adapting Herring’s book into a film series of some kind.***

      I can see the pitch: “think WINNING TIME, but without the winning.”

    28. Not sure if this was mentioned but I was catching up on the NYT crossword and saw that World Wide Wes was an answer during one of the recent Saturdays.

    29. At least part of the reason the Raps are moving OG (if they are) is Scottie Barnes taking his roster spot.

      FVV
      Gary Trent
      Barnes
      Siakim
      Achiuwa

      Doesn’t really fit OG. Not sure where RJ fits either.

    30. I can see the pitch: “think WINNING TIME, but without the winning.”

      Think we can get Brody to play Pat Riley again? Start the NBA cinematic universe.

      Or at least the Riley-verse where he goes to setup the… well y’all know what happens

    31. Doesn’t OG think he should be a high-volume starter? Didn’t he get pissy over not playing a Durant-like role?

    32. Speaking of Waiting for Godot, got a hilarious anecdote from my brother’s girlfriend, who has a PhD in English from ND and teaches courses in the South Bend prison college degree program (which lets inmates get degrees while they serve their time.)

      She was teaching Waiting for Godot and the entire class agreed that it was ultimately an optimistic book. She asks “why do you think that?” And the most enthusiastic student in the class raised his hand and said “Maybe he’ll come tomorrow!” as everyone else muttered assent and nodded enthusiastically.

    33. what kind of ceiling does Gadot have?

      The first Wonder Woman suggested she had a very high ceiling. But Wonder Woman 84 suggested a really low floor.

    34. I can see the pitch: “think WINNING TIME, but without the winning.”

      That’s hilarious! LOL
      But i loved the 90s Knicks and wouldn’t mind to have that feeling again, even if we don’t manage to win it all (like back then).

    35. what kind of ceiling does Godot have?

      Beckett says it’s godly. GMs worry he won’t leave his home country.

    36. Jowles, as Estragon: “I can’t go on like this.”

      Z-Man, as Vladimir: “That’s what you think.”

    37. And the most enthusiastic student in the class raised his hand and said “Maybe he’ll come tomorrow!” as everyone else muttered assent and nodded enthusiastically.

      Maybe they’re all Knicks fans! LOL

    38. The Yankees have been playing frustrating baseball for a month now. Cashman needs to bolster this roster so that half the lineup doesn’t feature guys who just can’t hit like Gallo, IKF, and Donaldson.

    39. Raven
      July 26, 2022 at 5:13 pm
      Jowles, as Estragon: “I can’t go on like this.”

      Z-Man, as Vladimir: “That’s what you think.”

      Who is KB Godot?
      The Larry O’Brien trophy?
      An uber-efficient high-volume superstar?
      An intelligent and wise owner?
      A second-contract lottery pick?
      Jon Abbey?
      JK taking over Friday Night Knicks?
      DRed for GM?

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