Knicks Morning News (2022.06.22)

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    122 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2022.06.22)”

    1. Why are prominent NBA people still talking about the Knicks and Brunson?

      1. The Mavs just went to the conference finals and have since addressed their weakness at C.

      2, Cuban has already said he’s will to pay tax to keep this core together.

      3. Brunson has a major role on a potentially serious contender next year and Dallas can give him the most money

      4. I’ve been told that Brunson has already told his teammates he’s coming back.

      I’m starting to think the media loves to talk about deals they know the Knicks can’t make just so they can get Knicks fan’s hopes up, pull the rug out, and get a good laugh. Just don’t pay any attention to them. If they are talking about, it’s probably BS.

      More likely may be clearing cap space, taking on Hayward, and gaining a pick. That makes the team a hair better, give them a player we know Thibs likes and wanted, and gives them more ammo for another deal. But that probably won’t happen either.

      They’ll probably trade down, draft a role player, and use whatever else they get to stash someone overseas because I don’t think they are going to add multiple young players to an already young team.

    2. The more I think about it, the more I think the Knicks would be smart to start a genuine rebuild right now. If they think Ivey is the first chess piece, make the move. I’d trade anyone but our own first round picks going forward. RJ, Obi, Quick, any vet. I’d Let the FA’s go (Mitch) and clear cap space. No one on our roster is really worth investing in, right now. Especially on a team with no clear plan in place.

      The horse shit on Brunson is tedious. We don’t actually even really need Brunson. Why would we be adding to this core? No one ever said of Larry Bird, “Yeah, maybe he’ll make a jump in year three”. We need that guy and then to make smart decisions around his development, not a trip to Costco.

    3. The media has to sell papers/clicks, so they’ll try to keep as many rumors as it’s possible. I was probably the one who believed the most in the Brunson to Knicks deal, and even i don’t think the odds are good for that to still happen.

    4. About the trade for Ivey that Z-Man, Brian and KFNINJ were talking about in the last thread, i think we’ve moved our target to the DET pick. They have the 5th pick and SAC is rumored to not pick Ivey because they’ll draft for need and not BPA (lolKings!).
      Maybe DET accepts Obi, Cam, #11, DAL 2023 and NYK 2025 Top10 protected. Is this a good deal or am i still fleecing the other team?

    5. cybersoze: Maybe DET accepts Obi, Cam, #11, DAL 2023 and NYK 2025 Top10 protected. Is this a good deal or am i still fleecing the other team?

      I think you’d need to substitute RJ for Obi. There needs to be one player from us that has a chance to be as good as Ivey. (I’d want to keep the 2025 pick if we made that substitution.)

    6. danvt: The more I think about it, the more I think the Knicks would be smart to start a genuine rebuild right now.

      They would’ve been smart doing that in just about any year in the last 2 decades. Meaning, i agree with you because it’s better late than never.

    7. danvt: I think you’d need to substitute RJ for Obi. There needs to be one player from us that has a chance to be as good as Ivey. (I’d want to keep the 2025 pick if we made that substitution.)

      RJ, Cam, #11 and DAL 2023? I’d do that too, but i think the FO has RJ as untouchable.

    8. cybersoze:
      And about my trade proposals being totally unrealistic, on Yahoo!Sports they’re saying the Celtics should take advantage of the Knicks sell out and get Burks using their TPE. Maybe this is just a crazy person, because i’ve been told we couldn’t trade our good vets for nothing.
      https://sports.yahoo.com/york-knicks-reportedly-looking-create-172950427.html

      That’s not a crazy trade. Burks would help Boston because they really need depth and we can replace Burks with Grimes. Boston seems to have all their first round picks and lots of second rounders if we want picks in return.

    9. 1. Clear out Burks, Kemba, Noel. plus miscellaneous.

      2. Take on Hayward plus one of the Hornet’s 1st rounders.

      3. Trade the Knicks 11th pick, Dallas’s pick, and the new Hornet’s pick for #4.

      4. Select Ivey

      5. Extend Mitch.

      6. Start the season with Mitch, Randle, RJ, Hayward and Quick. Fournier and Ivey off the bench.

      7. At the trade deadline, trade an improved Randle and move Ivey to the starting lineup now that he’s ready.

      8. Then it’s Mitch, Obi, Ivey, RJ and Quick.

      Grimes, Fournier, Hayward, Reddish, McBride, Sims, Rose, Taj, plus… off the bench.

      It’s only 9:25 and I’m already drinking. lol

    10. I think Burks has value around the league. So would Noel if he was actually healthy.

    11. Sacto doesn’t want picks for #4, they want proven players, and I see no reason for Detroit to not take Ivey.

      Therefore, taking on Hayward for the #15 pick in a bad draft doesn’t make much sense.

      And I think we might be stuck with a lot of our vets. Noel will be hard to move post injury, and we would be selling low on Burks right now (he had positive value at the last trade deadline.) And why? Just in case Brunson wants to leave a top-5 team so we can massively overpay him?

      Honestly, we should mostly punt this year and try to load up for 2023 by getting extra firsts for that draft if possible.

    12. Just read an interesting article in SI about Chet Holmgren.

      Honestly, I don’t know what to think about his NBA prospects. He could be the next Shawn Bradley or Kristaps Porzingis. Or he could be Kevin Durant lite (I know, a major stretch, but he does a lot of the things Durant does)

      He’s so freakishly skinny that it’s easy to say he’ll get pushed around in the NBA, but I wouldn’t bet against him. He may actually be the real unicorn.

    13. >Sacto doesn’t want picks for #4, they want proven players, and I see no reason for Detroit to not take Ivey.

      Therefore, taking on Hayward for the #15 pick in a bad draft doesn’t make much sense.<

      They wouldn't be taking on Hayward to draft another kid this year. If they trade down I don't expect them to bring in 2 kids again this year either (unless they love both).

      They'd be taking him on to use that pick as an asset in a trade.

      If the target is #4 and Sacramento wants a player, there are 3 team possibilities for using all that pick power to send them a player from a team that wants a pick. The idea is to get that #4 pick without going backwards in talent or damaging their own long term pick power too much.

      It doesn't have to be Sacramento. It doesn't even have to be this year. They can incinerate that pick (lmao) and turn it into a pick for next year or use it in another trade.

      That's why they get paid the big bucks. Their job is find deals that benefit the team short and long term. It's time to do their job.

    14. The 5-dimensional chess move is still re-negotiating the CBA before year end, removing the NCAA requirement, drafting Bronny, and signing LBJ for the minimum.

      Use double draft to get 1st rd talent with our 7 2nd rd picks.

      Re-sign Cam & RJ.

      Offer Zion the max by cutting Rose, Burks, & Noel. Or Complete S&T. Else sign Beal & Turner as UFAs.

      *aggressively scratches head beneath tinfoil hat*

    15. d-mar: He’s so freakishly skinny that it’s easy to say he’ll get pushed around in the NBA, but I wouldn’t bet against him. He may actually be the real unicorn.

        

      It sounds to me like he’s going to be a 4-5 year project like KP just to get him strong enough to compete inside on both sides of the ball and take full advantage of his talent. KP still isn’t strong enough against some Cs. Otherwise, he better be a good perimeter player. His team better be patient with his development (assuming he doesn’t get hurt along the way).

    16. Idk, is Ivey even as good as Johnny Davis? Davis crushed him at their first head-to-head match up, even though Ivey has much better teammates. Ivey was more efficient, but again, Davis had a lot less help. I know Ivey has that great “first step” and all, but that isn’t everything—especially if you plan on giving up three firsts for him.

    17. ess-dog:
      Idk, is Ivey even as good as Johnny Davis? Davis crushed him at their first head-to-head match up, even though Ivey has much better teammates. Ivey was more efficient, but again, Davis had a lot less help. I know Ivey has that great “first step” and all, but that isn’t everything—especially if you plan on giving up three firsts for him.

      This is fair, and yeah, it’s a huge risk. I’d be fine with not doing it even if it were possible.

      For me, there’s a ferociousness to his game that I am confident will translate. Obviously due diligence is critical, but from what I’ve garnered up here at 30,000 feet I like what I see. He’s just a special athlete with enough skill to set a pretty high floor and ceiling. I don’t see that with Davis.

    18. It’s not going to take Chet 4-5 years to become good. Sure, he may not hit his prime before then, but I think he’s got a better chance of being an immediate contributor than people think.

      We do the “how will his body hold up” thing about every skinny prospect, but in reality that alone hasn’t really derailed anyone. There are, like, two centers in the NBA who can really exploit it and it’s not like anyone else can guard them anyway.

      Chet is probably the best defensive prospect to come out of the NCAA in years, and should be able to at least spot up and finish plays right out of the gate. From there, I think he can get to an efficient 20+ PPG eventually. I doubt he’ll ever be the highest usage guy on a contender and he’ll get a lot of his points off of his teammates’ playmaking, but he can do more creation than people think.

      In case you can’t tell, one of my stronger feelings about this draft is that it’ll be embarrassing in hindsight he wasn’t the consensus #1 overall.

      ess-dog: Idk, is Ivey even as good as Johnny Davis? Davis crushed him at their first head-to-head match up, even though Ivey has much better teammates. Ivey was more efficient, but again, Davis had a lot less help. I know Ivey has that great “first step” and all, but that isn’t everything—especially if you plan on giving up three firsts for him.

      The numbers are definitely closer than you’d think just from hearing the discourse on both players, but Ivey did finish better around the rim at higher volume. All things being equal I’d definitely rather roll the dice on the guy who’s going to be a 99th percentile athlete even in the NBA.

      I would definitely rather pick Davis at 11 than trade 11 and 3 firsts or whatever for Ivey, though.

    19. A lot from Macri’s newsletter consolidating the rumors:

      – Knicks aggressively looking for a PG. Brogdon is an option, but not the option. Would look to get more back than Brogdon.

      – Kings expect to have a very different roster by next week

      – If Kings pass on Ivey, Knicks have talked to DET

      – Knicks looking to clear $25M to at least chase Brunson. Knicks are trying to move both Burks & Noel to do

      – Nobody expects the Knicks to keep 11

      There’s more detail in the newsletter, including some specifics of potential trades. Not everything is new info but good to have more legit confirmation.

    20. Deeefense!!:
      Why are prominent NBA people still talking about the Knicks and Brunson?

      Well the Knicks did hire his father as an assistant coach like 3 weeks back. I don’t see why Leon would hire an accused sex abuser as a coach if he didn’t think it would give the Knicks a better shot at signing Jalen. It’s peak LOLKnicks.

    21. @FredKatz
      Knicks guard Alec Burks underwent foot surgery and is expected to return for the start of training camp, sources tell @TheAthletic.

      This probably wouldn’t impact our ability to trade him, but maybe it would?

    22. Dink: Well the Knicks did hire his father as an assistant coach like 3 weeks back. I don’t see why Leon would hire an accused sex abuser as a coach if he didn’t think it would give the Knicks a better shot at signing Jalen. It’s peak LOLKnicks.

      But Brunson Sr. was a key assistant of Thibs in the past and there was an opening on Thibs staff.

    23. Knick fan not in NJ: But Brunson Sr. was a key assistant of Thibs in the past and there was an opening on Thibs staff.

      He last coached under Thibs in 2018 and resigned that same season due to a number of allegations of mistreating women. It looks like he was doing the same shit Deshaun Watson has been accused of. He’s been coaching HS ball ever since.

      The guy wasn’t hired for his coaching acumen; it was to try to persuade his son to sign with the team. Knicks are a clown organization.

    24. I just don’t believe that’s the reason he was hired. I also think not all sons want to play for their fathers. The Knicks may not be the best run organization out there but they are not so stupid as to hire a coach simply as a recruiter.

    25. d-mar:
      Just read an interesting article in SI about Chet Holmgren.

      Honestly, I don’t know what to think about his NBA prospects. He could be the next Shawn Bradley or Kristaps Porzingis. Or he could be Kevin Durant lite (I know, a major stretch, but he does a lot of the things Durant does)

      He’s so freakishly skinny that it’s easy to say he’ll get pushed around in the NBA, but I wouldn’t bet against him. He may actually be the real unicorn.

      OKC seems like a good place. They have tons of picks in the next few years, so if he busts hard, not as big a deal. They can afford to take a chance on his upside.

    26. Dink: He’s been coaching HS ball ever since.

      He was offered an NBA job and turned it down in order to continue coaching one of the best prospects in basketball.

      Knicks would have hired him anyways. There’s a hole with Payne gone. Thibs had him as an ast in both MIN & CHI. He has a number of other ties to the Knicks that have been detailed elsewhere.

    27. I guess I don’t understand the logic of hiring an assistant coach with all of this awful baggage if his main purpose is going to be running practices or whatever. Especially when the org has its own bad history regarding the treatment of women. Different regime, but this smells like giving Chris Smith a guaranteed contract in order to get JR to re-sign.

    28. I had no idea of Brunson’s history until I looked up his wiki page. What is particularly troubling is there is more than 1 incident.
      More to the point ala his son, the reason I looked him up was that I thought it a curious hire. He is taking Kenny Payne’s place, meaning he probably will have a lot of input. If the hire helps snare Jalen, it would seem to me the locker room dynamic could get awkward. What if IQ outplays him and deserves his slot? What if he doesn’t hustle enough and Thibs pulls him (or doesn’t pull him)? What if Thibs gives him the Kemba treatment?

      Alternatively, why hire him with his baggage unless there was some assurance Jalen would follow? But if press reports are correct about Jalen telling teammates he is staying put, it seems to have had no effect. Or even the opposite effect.

    29. Dink:
      I guess I don’t understand the logic of hiring an assistant coach with all of this awful baggage if his main purpose is going to be running practices or whatever. Especially when the org has its own bad history regarding the treatment of women. Different regime, but this smells like giving Chris Smith a guaranteed contract in order to get JR to re-sign.

      Why did we trade for Derrick Rose, hire Gersson Rosas, etc. The Knicks do not care.

    30. As I’ve said, I think Ivey is hugely overrated. He is a one-dimensional player, and while that dimension may be the most important one, it’s entirely predicated on his athleticism – if he loses that, he probably won’t even be able to stay in the league. He is not a good defender; he is NOT a point guard; his decision-making isn’t good enough to be the primary creator. Yes, his highlights are AMAZING…but the occasional (or even frequent) jaw dropping plays do not make him a net positive. I think it will take him at least three years, maybe longer, to become a net positive…much like RJ.

      Ironically, the one trade I’d be down with is trading RJ + #11 for #4 and taking Ivey. They would play similar roles in the offense, and RJ is shortly due a contract which will almost certainly be an overpay. I don’t want Ivey, and I love RJ’s demeanor and work ethic, but that move would at least make sense from a timeline perspective.

      Otherwise, trading a bunch of firsts etc? No.

      On the other hand, I agree with Humper that people will look back and wonder how Chet wasn’t the consensus #1.

    31. It’s hard for me to understand why Atlanta would want to trade Collins for Ivey. I suppose they have a long window with Trae but they’re likely going to have to take some unwanted lumps in the near term.

    32. This is shaping up to be an interesting off-season for NYK, and one in which we’ll learn about the chops of Leon Rose as a decision maker. The Knicks don’t have a ton of flexibility, but they do have some.

    33. Wassermans recent mock has AJ Griffin falling to us. Might be due to AJ only releasing his medicals to a few teams including us.

      There was also an overall report I saw that said no prospects had any medical red flags so that bodes well for AJ. Not exactly impressed with what Ive read about him but a lot of smart draft people saying its a no brainer if he falls to us.

    34. Knicks moving #11 to Lakers… for a hologram of Kobe
      “Even though holograms can’t physically hold a basketball, let alone anything, we feel that having Kobe’s mamba mentality in our locker room can only make us that much better as a team”
      -Leon Rose

    35. Branham seems to be falling in a lot of the latest mocks. In Sam Vecenie’s mega guide to all the draft prospects (which I highly recommend if you’re an Athletic subscriber), he says he’s worried all Branham has to offer is shot creation, and “the bottom can drop out of these types of guys quickly if they don’t bring anything else to the table.” Additionally:

      I think Branham projects as a good enough scorer to at least carve out a bench role in the NBA because of the shot making. But the lack of burst plus lack of defense and his inability to make an impact if his shot isn’t falling does create enough cause for concern.

    36. It’s a good point about Branham and in a stronger draft he wouldn’t be on my radar at 11. In this one though, I would counter that something like a souped up Malik Monk would actually be a better-than-expected outcome.

    37. rama as it was with the chickens: Ironically, the one trade I’d be down with is trading RJ + #11 for #4 and taking Ivey. They would play similar roles in the offense, and RJ is shortly due a contract which will almost certainly be an overpay. I don’t want Ivey, and I love RJ’s demeanor and work ethic, but that move would at least make sense from a timeline perspective.

      Otherwise, trading a bunch of firsts etc? No.

      Yeah, this is my feeling. If you think Ivey is a legit upgrade from RJ, you do it. Then you restart the clock on everything.

    38. Re: Ivey, the character count is just high enough for me to include all of Vecenie’s summary of him (after a long list of pluses and minuses):

      Ivey is all about how much you value athletic traits and how much you think you can fix some of the issues. There is not a guard in this class with a higher ceiling if it all comes together. His ability to get downhill with power, force and speed is an immediately translatable skill. He can separate from about any defender. But the difference with him and, say, a Ja Morant type, is what happens after. Whereas Morant has incredible natural feel as a passer and playmaker (plus has more vertical pop as a finisher), Ivey doesn’t have that right now and makes too many negative-value plays because of it. He’s going to get away from his man and collapse the defense, but he has to be able to make the right choice after that happens. The good news? Coaches and trainers can watch tape with him, train him to see the backside of the defense and fix some of the issues he has. At Purdue, the offense was completely unlike anything he’ll be asked to do in the NBA. Can NBA teams teach him the reads when he gets there? Can they teach him what they need in terms of his awareness on defense? A bet on Ivey is a bet on player development as much as anything else. I would understand him going as high as No. 2 if a team wanted to completely buy into it. I would understand him falling to No. 4 or No. 5 if a team felt like the awareness was never going to come around. If I were a team in that range, I’d want to sit down with him, watch tape with him and see his overall understanding of the reads he’s missing. That’s the insight teams will have access to and ultimately will be the critical part of their evaluations. If things go right, he could easily turn into a 25-point, six-assist guy. But the floor is something like Eric Bledsoe without the elite defense.

    39. Looks like the Knicks are also exploring trades with Detroit for the 5th pick, per Begley. Says that the package would be similar to the one offered to the Kings (multiple picks plus one of Quickley, Toppin, or Grimes).

      The reports make it seem like they’re really gunning for Ivey now. We may see some fireworks soon.

    40. Huh, did my Rokas comment get eaten? Anyway, here’s what Fred Katz said in a livechat today when someone asked if Rokas has a chance to start at PG for this team this season:

      I’ve spoken to scouts about him, and they tend to think his ceiling is as a good backup NBA guard and not much more. The shooting numbers are good, but he doesn’t take a ton of 3s and is slow to get off his shot, so there are some questions about how that may translate to the league. If I had to bet, I would guess he’s not coming over this summer and that if he does come to the NBA it’ll be in 2023 or later.

    41. instead waste little assets to get the 7th pick (Portland) and Daniels?

      That’s what I’ve been proposing for over a month. Ptmilo shot down my Randle + #11 for #7 and cap exception (the bonus makes it too small by a million bucks or so), but there has to be a deal there.

    42. I agree with Cyber and would much rather trade up for Dyson at 7 (although he might be gone by then).

      I think it’s very hard to teach the inate passing feel he has but relatively much easier to teach someone how to shoot.

    43. Randle doesn’t fit into Portland’s trade exception from the CJ to NOLA deal, and they seem to prefer other options at forward, anyway. I think everyone is underestimating what it will cost to move up to 7, never mind 11.

      So many depressing Knicks developments/rumors of late:

      * Wasserman told Macri on today’s podcast that late lottery represents the worst possible value position in this draft;
      * Woj says that Dallas may have to max Brunson to keep him, which implies that we would be willing to offer him the FA max, which seems like way the hell too much, on top of the cost in assets to unload Kemba, Noel, et al;
      * Any interest at all in Kyrie sucks;
      * The Brodgdon rumors bum me out. Just freaking start IQ and see what happens.

      The reported Ivey interest is at least the kind of thing this FO should be doing instead of chasing vets, but it’s not like he’s some can’t-miss prospect where of course you give up the farm in a trade package. This would be betting a lot on Walt Perrin’s ability to scout prospects, and remember that when the Jazz traded up to take a PG in the 2005 draft, it was to take Deron Williams and not CP3. For a hot minute, it looked like that was the right call. Now? Not so much.

    44. The Knicks need a PG. It’s as simple as that. Rose isn’t healthy enough to play a full season even if you believe in IQ.

      The FO is trying everything it can to get a PG.

      I think the best move is to clear cap space. Even if Brunson goes elsewhere we’d have a good shot at Tyus Jones. Then Delon Wright and Rubio are solid stopgap options and significantly better at PG than Burks.

      Brogdon isn’t an ideal solution but there’s trades that would make it worthwhile. From Macri’s newsletter citing some good sources like Begley, the Knicks aren’t going to overpay for Brogdon.

    45. Alan: This would be betting a lot on Walt Perrin’s ability to scout prospects, and remember that when the Jazz traded up to take a PG in the 2005 draft, it was to take Deron Williams and not CP3.

      To be fair, Williams was still a pretty darn good pick.

    46. Early Bird: To be fair, Williams was still a pretty darn good pick.

      He was, and Utah in turn got a good package from New Jersey when trading him. But the scouting reports on both Williams and Paul were much more universally glowing than what we’ve seen about Ivey.

      I don’t know. I want to be excited. This is the point in the NBA calendar when you are supposed to be dreaming on all the possibilities of what your team can do. I just remain deeply skeptical about what this particular front office either can or wants to do.

      In the sliding doors universe where Julius Randle does not have one of the greatest outlier seasons in NBA history, do you think Leon Rose has the stomach for a real rebuild, or would have have still attempted the tried-and-truly-unsuccessful hybrid method even then?

    47. Well, at least this is good news:

      @esidery
      The Knicks have been unwilling to include the No. 11 pick in a trade for Malcolm Brogdon, per
      @WindhorstESPN.

      I don’t hate the idea of Brogdon. I just don’t want to give up anything of real value for him.

    48. Alan: He was, and Utah in turn got a good package from New Jersey when trading him. But the scouting reports on both Williams and Paul were much more universally glowing than what we’ve seen about Ivey.

      I don’t know. I want to be excited. This is the point in the NBA calendar when you are supposed to be dreaming on all the possibilities of what your team can do. I just remain deeply skeptical about what this particular front office either can or wants to do.

      In the sliding doors universe where Julius Randle does not have one of the greatest outlier seasons in NBA history, do you think Leon Rose has the stomach for a real rebuild, or would have have still attempted the tried-and-truly-unsuccessful hybrid method even then?

      Yeah, I don’t particularly like Ivey myself. Buy I do trust Perrin’s track record and know that there were a couple factors working against Ivey (he wasn’t really playing PG and the offense want modern).

      The other factor might be, and this is Leon’s own fault, that the Knicks don’t expect to be in the lottery again. So their future picks wont be as valuable. The fruit of the purgatory that is the hybrid method.

    49. cybersoze: Top3 seems a reach, of course, but how about not wasting all the assets that’ll be needed to get the 4th pick and Ivey, and instead waste little assets to get the 7th pick (Portland) and Daniels?

      I have daniels in my top 3 also… this isn’t a good draft so i would think less about what other people are saying as a consensus since that is more about these journalists parroting each other and inventing it than it actually being the case… daniels is really good especially if you compare what the other ignite players did last year …. lonzo ball did less and had just as many questions about his shot and he was easily a top 3 selection…

      i do think folks are underselling ivey a bit … multiple firsts, grimes+iq is a decent package considering ivey is what a true top 5 pick looks like and you couldn’t move into the top5 for say.. darius garland with any number of middling picks and young bench pieces alone…. it would be a gamble but any player who has a chance to be a dominant piece is usually not going to come cheap… and getting a guy who can make multiple all star squads with what is essentially spare change… that’s pretty cheap isn’t it?

    50. Who wants more 2023 picks? :D

      Jonathan Wasserman: Future 1st-rounders (2023) in trades could hold more value than usual this year. Excitement over next year’s draft, + confidence in this year’s #11-30 range feels low. Wouldn’t be shocked if teams who miss on targets are willing to punt entirely if it means adding a 2023 1st.

    51. Alan: I don’t hate the idea of Brogdon. I just don’t want to give up anything of real value for him.

      I don’t like the idea of having his contract on our books, it’s 22.5M AAV until 2025. And as he is injury prone, there’s a good chance he’ll be an albatross sooner than later. With Randle still around, that’s 2 probable albatrosses for us to handle. This is why i don’t want Brogdon.

    52. I was thinking that too, Cyber. I just mean that if Indiana is basically giving the contract away, a healthy Brogdon either has value as a real grown-up point guard person, and/or as a trade asset down the road. But he’s so rarely healthy that I wouldn’t gamble on it even if the deal was, like, Kemba, Noel, and one of our many second round picks for Brogdon.

    53. Here’s what I think my top 30 big board is. This is a really tough draft to project; tiers are subjective markers of greater than marginal distance between prospects:
      Tier 1
      1. Chet
      2. Smith
      3. Ivey
      Tier 2
      4. Murray
      5. Eason
      6. Banchero
      7. Daniels
      8. Mathurin
      Tier 3
      9. TyTy
      10. K Chandler
      11. LaRavia
      12. David Roddy
      13. Davis
      14. Branham
      Tier 4
      15. Sharpe
      16. Jalen Williams
      17. EJ Liddell
      18. Griffin
      19. Duren
      20. Koloko
      21. Mark Williams
      22. Agbaji
      23. Sochan
      24. Beauchamp
      25. Gabriele Procida
      26. Ryan Rollins
      27. Josh Minott
      28. Jaylin Williams
      29. Wendell Moore
      30. Christian Braun

    54. I usually dont say much about the draft, because I only look at numbers, however, I would stay put and draft Tari Eason at 11. He has good size (specially wingspan), good shooting numbers, good defensive reputation, and the only problem I see is that he is a bit older (21, so actually not that much).

      I would understand if we draft a PG, since we have a great need, but the prospects dont look great. I am surprised that almost none of them have a AST% greater than 30, and most of them are around 20%. Tyty Washington seems undersized, his shooting numbers are not great, worries me with injuries and is not even that young. Dyson Daniels shooting numbers scare me. If I wanted to try something, I would lean to Dalen Terry, who at least is very young and has great size. Another idea would be to pick up Scotty Pippen Jr. if he goes undrafted, he seems really undersized, but he might be nice from the bench.

    55. iserp: I am surprised that almost none of them have a AST% greater than 30, and most of them are around 20%.

      This is largely due to very few of them playing PG through no fault of their own.

      Tyty was moved to SG despite being a better PG because the other guy couldn’t play off-ball. In one of his only games at PG he broke Wall’s Kentucky assist record. There’s questions, but his passing isn’t really one of them.

      Ivey’s team had Trevion Williams who was basically Jokic of the NCAA. So Ivey didn’t get many PG reps.

    56. Early Bird:

      Ivey’s team had Trevion Williams who was basically Jokic of the NCAA. So Ivey didn’t get many PG reps.

      Maybe we should draft that guy

    57. Very funny to look back and see Marvin Williams bent before CP3 and Deron.

      As well he should have…Bend thy knee, peasant!

      Silky, I think your list is pretty strong, though I’d put Ivey in group 2 and Sochan in group 3.

    58. With the uncertainty of who is good to draft, how good our young core is, the future of our vets, and the any number of directions Leon can go in, all I know is that tomorrow a huge chunk of the fan base will probably be upset with what we do no matter what it is.

    59. If Christian Wood can only get the 26th pick in a weak draft, and Jerami Grant can only get a 2025 Milwaukee first…we are not going to be able to trade the 4-5 significantly worse players we’re looking to move for anything at all.

    60. For a hot minute, it looked like that was the right call.

      It never looked like the right call, but it did at least look like a smart move to move up period. So I think that’s generally a good sign about Perrin, yeah.

    61. That Detroit trade is bonkers. How in the world would you not just keep him and try to trade him later if you’re only getting back a 2025 first from a good team?

    62. I’ll probably repost on the official thread just to make it easier to search later, and for that reason I will reserve the right to make changes to the final version, but here it is:

      1. Chet
      2. Banchero
      3. Jaden Ivey
      4. Jeremy Sochan
      5. Keegan Murray
      6. Ben Mathurin
      7. Jabari Smith
      8. Dyson Daniels
      9. Tari Eason
      10. Shaedon Sharpe
      11. Johnny Davis
      12. TyTy Washington
      13. Malaki Branham
      14. Ousmane Dieng
      15. Kennedy Chandler
      16. AJ Griffin
      17. Dalen Terry
      18. Ryan Rollins
      19. Jalen Duren
      20. Jalen Williams
      21. Josh Minott
      22. Mark Williams
      23. Jake LaRavia
      24. EJ Liddell
      25. Kendall Brown
      26. Jaylin Williams
      27. Jaden Hardy
      28. Jabari Walker
      29. Nikola Jovic
      30. Bryce McGowens
      31. MarJon Beauchamp
      32. Christian Kolokko
      33. Jean Montero
      34. Hyunjung Lee
      35. JD Davison
      36. Trevor Keels
      37. Blake Wesley
      38. Michael Foster
      39. Gabriele Procida
      40. Dereon Seabron
      41. Justin Lewis
      42. Ismael Kamagate
      43. Patrick Baldwin Jr.
      44. Andrew Nembhard
      45. Julian Champagne
      46. Hugo Besson
      47. David Roddy
      48. Walker Kessler
      49. Ochai Agbaji
      50. Wendell Moore
      51. Marcus Bingham
      52. Alondes Williams
      53. Keon Ellis
      54. Trevion Williams
      55. Kai Sotto
      56. Christian Braun
      57. Matteo Spagnolo
      58. Caleb Houstan
      59. Ron Harper Jr.
      60. Jacob Gilyard

      If I look like an idiot in a few years, it’ll probably be because of Sochan and/or Jabari Smith.

      I am definitely taking a pretty big risk on Sochan being able to develop an above-average offensive game. I just think his defense is good enough that the bar really is that low for his offense–if he can stay on the floor he’ll be a top 5 guy in this class.

      As for Jabari, I am just not seeing it. I’ve actually watched him a bunch to try to figure out what I’m missing because on the statistics alone he’d be even lower than this. He definitely has a beautiful jumper that will keep him in the NBA for a long time. The problem is…that’s about it?

    63. From what I’ve read the reason the Pistons did this trade for Grant is because Portland can take him with their trade exemption and therefore Detroit doesn’t have to get any salary back. This is basically a cap clearing move for Detroit because apparently they are going to go really hard after Ayton and Miles Bridges.

    64. If Detroit can get Olynyk off their books, they’d have room for an Ayton max *and* a near-max for Brunson. The return does feel a bit light but if they’re serious about making a ton of noise this offseason it was basically now or never. With the way teams hold on to picks like gold these days I can’t say I blame them for securing a bird in the hand, even if the pick is probably one of the least valuable unprotected firsts you could ever imagine.

    65. Donnie – DiscoGraffitti? The Return of DJPhan?

      Been an exciting week.

      I can only imagine what happened with the former. I expect there will be a Succession style show about it on HBO in a few years.

      Also, my dinner got cancelled, so good to go for this draft. I hope a weak basketball class is on it’s fashion game.

    66. This trade was always coming. I’m just surprised that it figures to be such a low pick. Any chance MIL falls off by 2025? Jrue and Middleton are both on the wrong side of 30, so maybe it won’t be too bad.

      Maybe the league is just valuing Grant properly. He’s definitely overpaid and kinda meh.

      So, Detroit gonna sign Ayton? Kyrie? Beal? Harden?

      Ayton and Cade would be an intriguing pairing.

    67. Apparently the fact that Portland now has “their” guy with Grant, they’re a lot more willing to take Noel and Burks and the #11 for #7, since now they’re about pumping up their depth.

    68. Apparently the fact that Portland now has “their” guy with Grant, they’re a lot more willing to take Noel and Burks and the #11 for #7, since now they’re about pumping up their depth.

      Burks & Noel for Bledsoe & #7 works. Mathurin, Daniels, Murray would potentially be in play. Maybe repackage #7 for #4.

      I’m guessing the Kings fold at some point and make a deal with the Knicks for #4.

    69. Detroit definitely won the trade because the got extra picks. Doesn’t matter when they convey. The real question is what in the actual fuck is Joe Cronin doing? This was a cap clearing move- they were supposed to get the extra picks. Grant’s a decent player, but he doesn’t move the needle for them. His best role is a small ball 4, but he doesn’t offer rebounding so they’ll likely play him at SF and try to bring in bags to defend and rebound.

      I also think this telegraphs picks 4 & 5 in a way. I’m reading Ivey and Murray at 4 & 5. It always was likely to be that way, but this probably solidifies it. We need to push Cam and the Dallas pick hard for 7, and then use 7 to move up for Ivey- if the FO wants him that much. Unless Detroit wants Randle. I dunno..

    70. I hate the idea of Bogdan. I think I’d want to receive compensation to take him on. He’s a good player when healthy, but he’s often not healthy and he’s turning 30 this year. Even if he recovers his best form. he’s not the long term solution at PG. Worst case, he turns into another Kemba, is not as productive, and it’s longer bigger contract. No way am I giving up a young player or pick for him. IMO, you give out longer contracts when you think the guy is the long term solution at that position, not just for an upgrade, and especially not for an upgrade with injury question marks.

    71. Grant’s a decent player, but he doesn’t move the needle for them. His best role is a small ball 4, but he doesn’t offer rebounding so they’ll likely play him at SF and try to bring in bags to defend and rebound.

      Nurkic is one of the best rebounders in the league. 3rd in DREB% behind Gobert & Jokic. Denver did just fine with Grant at the 4, so they can probably get away with it.

      Portland needs defense. He’s definitely an upgrade on defense and fits the switchable mold that’s the new ideal.

      If you really trust Dame to be a 1-man offense (or 2-man with Simons), you could trot out Winslow/Grant at forward. Strong defense and very switchable. Nurk’s defense would probably look much better than with the sieve wings they played last year.

    72. I’d rather trade Burks and Noel than include Cam. I want to see what Cam can do if he stays healthy.

    73. Grant to Portland seemed pretty obvious, but the return was kind of weak. I’m not sure what that says about Randle’s value because I’m not sure if people are more focused on the fact that he’s better than he showed in NY last year or that he melted down a bit.

    74. Dame/Simons
      Simons/Burks
      Burks/Hart
      Grant/Winslow
      Nurkic/Noel

      Doesn’t look too horrible. Slot in Keon Johnson somewhere. Maybe bring Simons off the bench if his defense doesn’t improve.

      I don’t think they compete, but they probably keep Dame happy and therefore their fanbase happy and therefore keep selling tickets.

    75. Early Bird: Nurkic is one of the best rebounders in the league. 3rd in DREB% behind Gobert & Jokic. Denver did just fine with Grant at the 4, so they can probably get away with it.

      Portland needs defense. He’s definitely an upgrade on defense and fits the switchable mold that’s the new ideal.

      If you really trust Dame to be a 1-man offense (or 2-man with Simons), you could trot out Winslow/Grant at forward. Strong defense and very switchable. Nurk’s defense would probably look much better than with the sieve wings they played last year.

      That might be true..IF Nurkic comes back and can regain his form. But that hypothetical scenario makes the move all the more puzzling for me. It reeks of “throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks” tactics from Portland. They’re pretty much gonna have to keep 7 and draft someone who can step in right away on the wing- like a Mathurin or Griffin. SOMETHING lol. Unless you offer them immediate help for 7, but which salaries can they send out? And I like the backcourt of Dame and Simons less than I did the Dame/CJ pairing because Simons is even smaller than McCollum. And McCollum is a better defender so it worked for years for them. If they start Simons alongside Dame, opposing guards will EAT. You know what- how about offering Cam, 11, and some 2nds for Simons and letting him run point? Is that too much to give up?

    76. I think the chance of moving up is pretty low- maybe 5-10%- even with the Knicks willing to deal multiple picks. I’d say it’s more likely we trade out of the draft entirely than move up.

      I’d guess:
      5% chance of moving up.
      35% chance they stay at 11
      50% chance they trade down
      15% chance they trade out entirely (I mean why pick some loser when you can keep a pick on hand just in case a crazy opportunity like one year of Cam Reddish presents itself to you.)

    77. I am definitely taking a pretty big risk

      only reward noble – thanks for putting in the time and work…

      just to be clear – this is not where you think they’ll be drafted, but rather as to how they’ll perform once drafted?

    78. I have to say my expectations for the draft are very low, this is a weak draft and the price to move up looks to be so high that we won’t do it (and rightly so). The sooner this is over, the better, because then i’ll know what player(s) i should try to know better (if we select any).

    79. geo: just to be clear – this is not where you think they’ll be drafted, but rather as to how they’ll perform once drafted?

      Yep, good clarification. An actual mock draft would look a hell of a lot different. I’m pretty sure Jabari Smith is going #1 overall.

    80. nicos: I’d guess:
      5% chance of moving up.
      35% chance they stay at 11
      50% chance they trade down
      15% chance they trade out entirely (I mean why pick some loser when you can keep a pick on hand just in case a crazy opportunity like one year of Cam Reddish presents itself to you.)

      No chance to move up then, as trade out + trade down + stay put = 100%. :D

    81. thenoblefacehumper:
      If Detroit can get Olynyk off their books, they’d have room for an Ayton max *and* a near-max for Brunson. The return does feel a bit light but if they’re serious about making a ton of noise this offseason it was basically now or never. With the way teams hold on to picks like gold these days I can’t say I blame them for securing a bird in the hand, even if the pick is probably one of the least valuable unprotected firsts you could ever imagine.

      lol, according to Woj it’s actually top 4 protected. I’m not a particularly big fan of Grant but this is robbery. Would be hilarious if Detroit struck out in free agency.

    82. okay, thanks noble…

      i don’t know, i say we find a way to draft the guy named nikola jovic…name sounds good – AND – he’s a 6’11” shooting guard…let’s get one of those…

    83. Totes McGoats as Totes McGoats: But that hypothetical scenario makes the move all the more puzzling for me. It reeks of “throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks” tactics from Portland.

      Yeah, I don’t love it but think it makes some theoretical sense for Dame. They may have some of the worst management in the league hidden by Dame being amazing.

      Like wtf was getting Norm Powell on am already shit defense.

      They should’ve blown it up years ago and now this is the best they can do. At some point Dame could’ve carried this offense and let them go full defense. Probably not anymore.

    84. If you are a Lakers fan and are watching Portland get better and also thinking that Sacramento will make a win now move to get better too are you worried? The Clippers and the Pelicans could easily be a lot better too. Given the legendary arrogance of Lakers fans, probably not. But they should be worried.

    85. Detroit got some second round benefits in the deal to go along with the first round pick. “They also move up from 46 to 36 in Thursday’s second round by swapping picks with Portland as well as receiving a 2026 second-rounder.”

    86. Knick fan not in NJ:
      Detroit got some second round benefits in the deal to go along with the first round pick. “They also move up from 46 to 36 in Thursday’s second round by swapping picks with Portland as well as receiving a 2026 second-rounder.”

      I think there will be some really solid 2nd rders this year. It’s more the top of the draft that’s lacking talent. There will probably be a decent number of good players, they’re just difficult to pick out and have a bunch of flaws.

    87. Early Bird: I think there will be some really solid 2nd rders this year. It’s more the top of the draft that’s lacking talent. There will probably be a decent number of good players, they’re just difficult to pick out and have a bunch of flaws.

      I agree. I think Detroit got a good deal here

    88. okay – only because i know this thing is haunting more than me…

      so, still trying to figure out the mood/vibe/”idea”/sentiment contained within Bob James’: Angela (theme from 70’s sitcom Taxi), i had seen someone mention it being “uplifting”, which confused me…

      at best i think of it as pensive, more apt though would be melancholic…i had read James wrote it for the first season, third episode of Taxi…

      here’s the episode, danny devito is amazing, even as cartoonish a character as latka was, kaufman actually pulls it off…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcl-qDeSntc

      after watching the episode, i get “Angela” – yeah melancholic with brief patches of hope…listening to the rest of Touchdown (the album the song appears on), seems to fit…

    89. for the record rama – your brief mention of horns and pianos has me heading back to jazz…

      i ain’t embarrassed to say – i like 70’s/80’s/90’s jazz…there i said it, throw stones if you’d like…

    90. glad to see there’s some consensus around chet being #1 amongst the kb draftniks.. this is likely another luka situation and rooting for him to prove alot of naysayers wrong…

      i’m mostly at this:

      1. Chet Holmgren
      2. Jaden Ivey
      3. Dyson Daniels
      4. Benedict Mathurin
      After this top 4 it’s pretty bad imo but this a solid group…Dyson’s probably the most controversial but i think he’s very similar to lonzo and giddey… in which he’s probably at least an ok contributor while trying to figure out their shot…

      5. Jabari Smith
      6. Keegan Murray
      7. Paolo Banchero
      8. Jeremy Sochan
      There are so many of these small ball 4s in this draft that would be better off as 3s.. it’s going to be fun to see it play out but i think there’s a high chance they all bust.. Jabari has so much projection in his game that it kind of spiraled into a runaway narrative that he’s now consensus #1 with a guy like Chet in the draft.. wild… Paolo is alot like melo and if he could play the 3 and part time 4 or find a team that can hide his defensive deficiencies then I can see his upside case. but i think that’s likely a no… Sochan is not all that great but there are things to work with…

      8. Jalen Williams
      9. Josh Minott
      10. Kennedy Chandler
      11. Tari Eason
      Probably some surprising names but to put in perspective they would normally be second half of the first rd type of guys so it’s more a knock on the state of this draft.. i do like Jalen though.. Minott is criminally underrated and there’s some possible huge upside here but also likely some road to get there… we should give a long hard look at Chandler but for whatever reason we aren’t..

      12. Mark Williams
      13. Jalen Duren
      14. Walker Kessler
      15. AJ Griffin / TyTy Washington/Dalen Terry
      The bigs are kind of boring but a solid bet to be contributors… I would love TyTy more if it weren’t for the age but maybe the Calipari thing cancels out…

    91. Dejounte Murray apparently being shopped. I would vastly prefer him to anyone we have been linked to lately

    92. I’m right there with you with the jazz from that Era. “Angela ” really captures NYC melancholy of those days

    93. Dave is really committed to making the podcast his full time job and main source of income, and it started to feel like that took over the whole show. The show is very far away from generating a meaningful amount of income and I just can’t go pedal to the metal doing podcast social media marketing all day long. I’m just too busy. In my opinion it’s going to take lots of patience and many years to make that show profitable.

      The constant drive for monetization was affecting the show. Donnie, you mentioned the other day that you preferred the episodes with just the two hosts. I did too. Well, we were never going to make an episode like that ever again, because Dave feels we always need guests to drive traffic.

      He was pretty uncompromising about things and I was starting to feel like a sidekick rather than a partner, and it wasn’t resolvable. He books all the guests and does pretty much all the marketing, and puts in a lot more hours than I ever could, but I can’t make the show my whole life and that was causing problems.

    94. wait, are you saying you are not “uplifted” by the music, after reading that comment somewhere (youtube posts actually), i kept listening to see if perhaps i had missed something :)

      bob james most certainly does have some uplifting music, it’s just angela doesn’t seem to be one of those pieces…i love the song so much because it is so perfectly melancholic…

      the first cd music player i bought was this huge monstrosity thing with equalizers and lights all over the place – it was right around 1988, i wanted to find something that sounded really good on the sound system – GRP Records (cd’s actually) perfectly fit the bill…

    95. The Sixers wanted Harden to turn down the player option, right? Just wondering if that meant anything.

    96. Well, good luck to Dave I guess. But I tuned in to the Pink Floyd inaugural episode without knowing or caring about Pink Floyd at all, and I came away wanting more, not because you guys turned me on to Pink Floyd, but because I liked the way you guys were doing it. I enjoyed the past few months of listening, and am sorry to see it end. (And, as an aside, if you can reach me, you can reach anybody, because not only are my musical tastes about as broad as Louis Orr’s shoulders, but I’d never listened to a podcast before, and I don’t own a phone, and I don’t have social media, and my only on-line presence is on a fan site for a basketball team that I don’t even like. So you two were doing something right to have reached me at all).

    97. ***Dejounte Murray apparently being shopped. I would vastly prefer him to anyone we have been linked to lately***

      But, but… TS+ percentage!

    98. ***i ain’t embarrassed to say – i like 70’s/80’s/90’s jazz…***

      You like the Layden/Thomas/Jackson Knicks as well.

    99. Thanks, Donnie. I appreciate that, man. I’m proud of the show. It’s also a brutally hard show to make to begin with, it’s a lot of listening and note taking, and for me a lot of editing. Plus it takes like a whole day to tape one of these things. I have like ten million music projects going on at the same time I’m doing this, like feed-my-family kind of music projects. I just couldn’t hang I guess.

    100. Donnie Walsh:
      I’d never listened to a podcast before, and I don’t own a phone, and I don’t have social media, and my only on-line presence is on a fan site for a basketball team that I don’t even like.

      Absolutely the most adorable troll ever.

    101. JK47: I’m proud of the show.

      As you should be, it was a great show. I don’t know if i have the wrong impression, but even since the beginning i noticed that Dave is what i call a talker, so he talks, talks, talks, and you almost have to interrupt him to have your time. I thought that was your dynamic, but from your words i think it’s one more thing that tells it was Dave’s show and not a partnership. Any chance you hang around DiscoGraffiti and make episodes without Dave, with less frequency (because of your schedule) than the regular shows that Dave will keep doing? It can be monthly episodes with your opinions about the bands that were talked about in the regular shows, like a columnist on a newspaper – “Joe’s take”. ;)

    102. I don’t think Jerami Grant is worth much more that what DET got for him. He topped out as a 1.5 BPM player and his best years were as a low-usage sidekick to MVP Westbrook. Even then, OKC traded him for a first rounder that became the #25 pick we used on Quickley and then Denver traded him for cash to free up cap space. Seems pretty much like an Alec Burks-level player to me, albeit with more upside. I guess he’s expiring, which gives Portland some flexibility in 2023. I don’t think he moves the needle much for them, and even if he’s good he’s gonna want to get paid.

      I give this a B for both sides.

    103. About Dejounte Murray.

      Jake Fischer (Bleacher Report): the Spurs want a “Jrue Holiday-like” return for the All-Star guard

      2 unprotected 1RPs and 2 swaps? No, thank you.

    104. I suspect that that is precisely why they’re putting him on the market, because they think they’re too far away for him to be a big part of the next great Spurs team and they think that the market is so crazy that if they trade him now, they’ll get a fortune for him.

    105. He plays excellent defense, is an excellent passer, and is 26. Offensive numbers aren’t gaudy it’s true but he would be a hell of a lot better than Brogdon.

    106. Brian Cronin:
      I suspect that that is precisely why they’re putting him on the market, because they think they’re too far away for him to be a big part of the next great Spurs team and they think that the market is so crazy that if they trade him now, they’ll get a fortune for him.

      I’m skeptical his efficiency goes any higher. It’s been spotty at best and never above average. Hell, TS has never been above 95.

      Maybe last season showed genuine improvement in efficiency, and maybe that warrants betting on a late bloomer. But that’s a scary proposition for a team already reliant on 2 high-volume low-efficiency players.

    107. Oh, the Knicks shouldn’t be spending assets on him, agreed. I mean that some team will. Dude is coming off an All-Star appearance as a 25-year-old point guard (he’ll be 26 for this season). There will be a hearty market for him. But yes, probably not the Knicks. Too rich for their blood.

    108. Agreed on Murray. Cost is too rich, he’s not really a fit with our very weird roster, etc.

      Very good, if sobering, Macri newsletter today. When even the most Pollyanna fan of this team is going into draft day deeply questioning the strategy and wisdom of our front office, you know we’re in a not-great place. That Rose is better the last several POBOs is cold comfort if he doesn’t have a realistic path to getting us off the hamster wheel of mediocrity other than “just wait for a superstar to want out and hope you can beat Miami’s package.”

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