Knicks Morning News (2022.06.18)

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  • NBA Exec Sends Strong Message on Knicks’ Cam Reddish – Heavy.com
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    1. Z-man: I wanted to point out that Thibs plays Taj at C and used to play Noah in a somewhat similar capacity to Draymond.

      I’m starting to think that maybe they’ll try to rebuild Randle’s value that way, playing as a small ball C. If that’s the case, they can let Mitch walk and trade Noel (like the deal with the Blazers mentioned in the previous thread). Randle is a tank, plays a lot of minutes and almost never misses games, so Sims and Taj as backups is good enough. That promotes Obi to a starting role, but who’s the backup if they don’t pick Eason? Internal (Cam)? Trade (most likely this)?
      (Notes: RWIII is 6’8 and 237lb, Randle is 6’8 and 250lb)

    2. I’m glad I was busy all day yesterday and missed that last thread. Ughh

      Back to Pistol. If you are trying to compare players from different eras using stats, you can forget about it. Different rules, different competition etc… We all know the problems with that.

      However, I saw him play a lot of games at his peak. You can estimate skills.

      IMO

      His ball handling skills were as good as Steph’s.

      His passing skills were superior to Steph’s.

      His shot was excellent from everywhere in every way like Steph’s, but not as good as Steph’s. However, when you are taking a lot of 30 footers and only getting 2 points your TS% is going to suffer. Lol

      The biggest problem I had with his game is that he was too ball dominant. He was on some bad teams and didn’t have much help, but I’m still a big fan of player and ball movement to get less skilled players easier shots. I’m not sure he was what I would call a “winning” player focused on defense and team. He had too much showman in him. But he was clearly a great player, way ahead of his time, and would have had a better career today.

    3. cybersoze: I’m starting to think that maybe they’ll try to rebuild Randle’s value that way, playing as a small ball C. If that’s the case, they can let Mitch walk and trade Noel (like the deal with the Blazers mentioned in the previous thread). Randle is a tank, plays a lot of minutes and almost never misses games, so Sims and Taj as backups is good enough. That promotes Obi to a starting role, but who’s the backup if they don’t pick Eason? Internal (Cam)? Trade (most likely this)?
      (Notes: RWIII is 6’8 and 237lb, Randle is 6’8 and 250lb)

      That would require an enormous philosophical shift from Thibs. I don’t see it happening, alas. But smallball 5 is almost certainly Randle’s ideal role.

    4. Thinking about it, playing Randle and Obi together might be a bad idea. And not just defensively.

      Obi thrives in transition. He’s an amazing player in full-court offense and below average in the half-court. Randle squashes the transition game whenever he’s in. He always wants to bring the ball up and then he walks it. Whereas a guy like Kevin Love gets the rebound and immediately looks up to see if he can hit a teammate running up the floor, Randle automatically starts pounding the rock until all 9 other players are ahead of him.

      In the half court, Obi’s best move is catching lobs. Does Randle throw lobs, like, ever? He never did that with Mitch. All of his passes are to the 3-pt line.

      So a Randle-Obi combo would basically turn Obi into PJ Tucker on offense, waiting in the corner for an occasional 3-pointer.

    5. as far as musical resurrection goes…I would say Supernatural by Santana was peak rising from the ashes…he had almost disappeared…then he sold 15 million copies…

    6. pepper:
      as far as musical resurrection goes…I would say Supernatural by Santana was peak rising from the ashes…he had almost disappeared…then he sold 15 million copies…

      Indeed, he made a lot of money squeezing out that pap.

    7. So… MarJon Beauchamp? Any takers? Is his stock rising or is he a trade-down target? He went out to dinner with Thibs, so that must mean something, right?

    8. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Indeed, he made a lot of money squeezing out that pap.

      Smooth is the #2 billboard single of all time…only surpassed by “The Twist” by Chubby Checkers….based on some weightings among eras given that in the radio days popularity was based on polling the stations…now it is on sales volume…

    9. Alan: That would require an enormous philosophical shift from Thibs.

      And from Randle too. But if he stays, it’d be for the best if he embraces this new role. And by embracing i mean ditch the behavior Oakman noted and try to be a poor man’s Jokic. I think Randle has good potential as a distributing C.

    10. So… MarJon Beauchamp? Any takers?

      Not me.

      Is his stock rising or is he a trade-down target?

      It’s a trade down, but i wouldn’t do it.

      He went out to dinner with Thibs, so that must mean something, right?

      The question that comes to my mind is: Did Thibs made him eat octopus? :D

    11. cybersoze: And from Randle too. But if he stays, it’d be for the best if he embraces this new role. And by embracing i mean ditch the behavior Oakman noted and try to be a poor man’s Jokic. I think Randle has good potential as a distributing C.

      randle and good potential should not be used in the same sentence…

    12. Something to keep in mind is that players can say no to workouts. If Sharpe or Mathurin are convinced they’re gone before 11, then they have no reason to workout for the Knicks. Knicks might want to work them out. It’s not much of an indication for players slotted firmly above us.

    13. A trade for Portland’s #7 and 20 mil TE seems like the best fit for us tbh. Hopefully Noel, Burks, and #11 would do the trick.

      If not, we might have to set up a separate trade where they also get Randle for Bledsoe and other parts.

      This would all be dependent on Daniels still being there, of course.

      Ideally, that would give us a lineup of Brunson, Fournier, RJ, Obi, and Mitch, with Daniels, Quickley, Sims, Cam, and Bledsoe coming off the bench.

    14. Woj:

      “ESPN Sources: Kenny Atkinson has decided he won’t become the Charlotte Hornets’ head coach and will remain with Golden State as top assistant. After being offered job during the NBA Finals, further conversations led Atkinson to believe it would be best to remain with Warriors.“

    15. i think elvis and santana safely fit the huge comeback storyline based on their “numbers” :P

      i myself don’t know how to find those right numbers unfortunately – i’m guessing though mariah carey is there with them also…

      ac/dc might fit the group comeback…

    16. It’s easier to achieve commercial success after your decline phase than it is to achieve true artistic success. The Supernatural album was as much a Clive Davis album as it was a Santana album. The marketing angle is built into the record itself. It was an extremely successful rebranding effort, but artistically… ehhh.

      I would say some of Rick Rubin’s career resurrections fit the bill we’re talking about, specifically the Johnny Cash records.

    17. Scott Walker isn’t particularly famous but after a solid career in the 60s as an mildly eccentric (and great!) singer songwriter he radically reinvented himself years later as a wildly avant-garde critical darling. His albums from Tilt onwards are so different from the stuff that made him famous in the 60s that I think he’s worth mentioning.

    18. My Bloody Valentine had 22-ish years between brilliant albums, with a notable style leap in the latter. It’s still distinctively MBV, but also quite different, just like the style gap between their early (amazing) jangle psych-punk and the weirdo no-wave/noise/proto-shoegaze Isnt Everything and the seminal, often-timeless, genre-defining Loveless.

      Talk Talk, as I’m sure I’ve said, is another band that utterly transformed from its first (very good) new wave album to its last album, which like Loveless is also a genre-defining album (post-rock) that is known for its influence but was never really duplicated or imitated in a way that would make you say, “Hey, this sounds like Talk Talk.” But that transformation happened in like 6 years.

    19. I LOVE the Scott Walker solo albums and his contributions to the Walker Brothers comeback album Nite Flights from 1978, but I find Tilt and the albums after it to be impenetrable. But yes, that’s a good example of somebody raising his career from the dead and doing something totally unexpected and acclaimed, even though it’s not my cup of tea.

      The first four SW solo albums and the first side of Til’ The Band Comes In are honestly some of my favorite records ever.

    20. Just gonna say that’s CeeLo.

      I got to live Smooth for a stretch, with the song itself as the constant background refrain. Sort of like living a bad TV show but with the perfect theme song. Worth every moment, but super glad it ended badly.

    21. And speaking of mild eccentrics with second acts- Bee Gees had a lot of success with (great!) whimsical pop in the 60s then flamed out before returning and really hitting it big in the disco era. Their second act was so much bigger than the first it pretty much defines them- no one thinks of SNF as “late” Bee Gees- so maybe they don’t count.

    22. There’s a t-shit that I want to get that says:

      “I’d rather be listening to the Grammy award winning song “Smooth” by Carlos Santana featuring Rob Thomas

    23. geo:
      ac/dc might fit the group comeback…

      i was thinking about that but they didn’t go downward and then up… if you’re thinking about the change in lead singers…they were peaking at Highway to Hell and then Bon died and they got Brian Johnson and well…Back n Black was next level…then they kind of started to float back down…

    24. Thibs playing a 4/5 combo with no ability to protect the rim for long stretches just doesn’t seem possible.

    25. I was thinking about the Hornets coaching situation. Honestly, I don’t understand their thinking. Borrego never got the defense working right and I thought they wanted more defense. I would have thought Vogel ( or even Jackson — gulp) would be a fit for them. Instead their second choice was D’Antoni. He’s actually not horrible on defense but much better known for his offenses.

    26. I don’t know if anyone mentioned it, but the Stones had a long lull in the mid 70’s before re-inventing themselves with Some Girls. The impact of Miss You was massive.

    27. One guy who seems to be getting overlooked in the debate about where Steph Curry ranks all time is The Logo.

    28. Some Girls is a great one and I otherwise do not fuck with disco Stones

    29. “ESPN Sources: Kenny Atkinson has decided he won’t become the Charlotte Hornets’ head coach and will remain with Golden State as top assistant. After being offered job during the NBA Finals, further conversations led Atkinson to believe it would be best to remain with Warriors.“

      Good for Atkinson. I had no idea why he wanted that gig.

    30. ESPN published its preliminary power rankings for next season. It’s of course way too early, but it got me to look, and I’m sure others did too, so from their point of view it was worth writing. Overall it was pretty reasonable, with to me one glaring exception. The Knicks came in at 22, which is probably fair. We could get better because our players are young and should improve, but these sorts of rankings are inevitably dependent on the past performance of players and I’m not expecting anything else from ESPN. The glaring exception is the Lakers. They were placed at number 17, among a set of teams that all at least made the playin last year. But they actually completely missed the playoffs. I just don’t see why they will be better this year.

      https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34081567/nba-power-rankings-way-too-early-edition-where-golden-state-warriors-boston-celtics-every-team-check-in

    31. The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      Some Girls is a great one and I otherwise do not fuck with disco Stones

      Some Girls, Emotional Rescue and Tattoo You all had a couple of mega-hits mixed in with some filler (good and bad) and most of the songs were not disco per se, more like late ’70s-early ’80s potpourri through their own creative lens. The point is that there’s definitely a before and after for the Stones, roughly the Hot Rocks Stones vs. Disco Stones but in both eras their music was widely varied.

    32. Knick fan not in NJ:
      ESPN published its preliminary power rankings for next season.It’s of course way too early, but it got me to look, and I’m sure others did too, so from their point of view it was worth writing. Overall it was pretty reasonable, with to me one glaring exception. The Knicks came in at 22, which is probably fair.We could get better because our players are young and should improve, but these sorts of rankings are inevitably dependent on the past performance of players and I’m not expecting anything else from ESPN.The glaring exception is the Lakers. They were placed at number 17, among a set of teams that all at least made the playin last year. But they actually completely missed the playoffs. I just don’t see why they will be better this year.

      https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34081567/nba-power-rankings-way-too-early-edition-where-golden-state-warriors-boston-celtics-every-team-check-in

      If AD is healthy and LBJ still ageless, those two alone merit a play-in berth.

    33. If AD is healthy and LBJ still ageless, those two alone merit a play-in berth.

      Yeah, I think there’s definitely the talent there to be #17. It’s not like that’s super high.

    34. Z-man: If AD is healthy and LBJ still ageless, those two alone merit a play-in berth.

      True, but the last two years suggest neither will be occur. LeBron is shooting a lot more threes and defending less and AD seems to get injured every year. Do you think they will be better than Spurs or the Trail blazers? The ranking predicts it. I don’t have that faith.

    35. Knick fan not in NJ: True, but the last two years suggest neither will be occur.LeBron is shooting a lot more threes and defending less and AD seems to get injured every year. Do you think they will be better than Spurs or the Trail blazers? The ranking predicts it.I don’t have that faith.

      With LBJ and AD, health is a question, but the real problem is the rest of the team. They need some Wigginesque average players around them. Their best player last year was probably Carmelo Anthony (how wild is that?). It seems like every other player in their team is actually trying to undermine their chances to win. The year they won they had Danny Green, Caruso, Rondo, KCP, Howard and Javale McGee playing serviceable minutes. None were great, but good enough alongside Lebron and Davis.

    36. If they had a better team around AD and LeBron, it would definitely help. I don’t see it happening though. They don’t have team sources to improve their roster over last season and their best players are on the wrong side of their prime and getting older.

    37. At the end of the day, doing rankings at this time is kind of silly, especially for the Lakers.

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