Knicks Morning News (2022.06.16)

  • Four Second-Round NBA Draft Options for the Knicks – The Knicks Wall
    [theknickswall.com] — Thursday, June 16, 2022 7:21:28 AM

    Four Second-Round NBA Draft Options for the Knicks  The Knicks Wall

  • The Spurs first Finals began on this day in 1999 – Pounding The Rock
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    The Spurs first Finals began on this day in 1999  Pounding The Rock

  • Mavericks acquire Rockets’ Christian Wood for four players including an ex-Knick – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Thursday, June 16, 2022 2:54:00 AM

    Mavericks acquire Rockets’ Christian Wood for four players including an ex-Knick  New York Post

  • Dallas Mavericks Trade For Houston Rockets Center Christian Wood – NBA Analysis Network
    [nbaanalysis.net] — Wednesday, June 15, 2022 10:00:28 PM

    Dallas Mavericks Trade For Houston Rockets Center Christian Wood  NBA Analysis Network

  • Proposed Trade Sees Bulls Swap Former Top-10 Picks – Heavy.com
    [heavy.com] — Wednesday, June 15, 2022 8:09:00 PM

    Proposed Trade Sees Bulls Swap Former Top-10 Picks  Heavy.com

  • OKC Thunder emerge as Knicks’ rival for trade-up candidate Jaden Ivey – Empire Sports Media
    [empiresportsmedia.com] — Wednesday, June 15, 2022 5:56:34 PM

    OKC Thunder emerge as Knicks’ rival for trade-up candidate Jaden Ivey  Empire Sports Media

  • New study says Yankees are most followed MLB club on social media – AMNY
    [www.amny.com] — Wednesday, June 15, 2022 5:00:34 PM

    New study says Yankees are most followed MLB club on social media  AMNY

  • Knicks should no longer be interested in Myles Turner trade – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Wednesday, June 15, 2022 5:00:00 PM

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  • NBA Mock Draft 2.0: Knicks trade up to finally solve point guard problem – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Wednesday, June 15, 2022 4:08:00 PM

    NBA Mock Draft 2.0: Knicks trade up to finally solve point guard problem  New York Post

  • Shaquille O’Neal Pays Out New York Restaurant With ‘Mystery Date’ – Yardbarker
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    Shaquille O’Neal Pays Out New York Restaurant With ‘Mystery Date’  Yardbarker

  • These 3 Trades Send Knicks’ Julius Randle To Memphis Grizzlies – NBA Analysis Network
    [nbaanalysis.net] — Wednesday, June 15, 2022 2:26:54 PM

    These 3 Trades Send Knicks’ Julius Randle To Memphis Grizzlies  NBA Analysis Network

  • Knicks 2022 NBA Draft: No. 11 pick prospect Tari Eason – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Wednesday, June 15, 2022 10:00:00 AM

    Knicks 2022 NBA Draft: No. 11 pick prospect Tari Eason  Daily Knicks

  • The Toppin & Poppin’ 2022 NBA draft preview – Posting and Toasting
    [www.postingandtoasting.com] — Wednesday, June 15, 2022 9:43:57 AM

    The Toppin & Poppin’ 2022 NBA draft preview  Posting and Toasting

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    144 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2022.06.16)”

    1. The Boston Celtics have told center Robert Williams that playing through his left knee injury will not make it worse, per Chris Haynes of Yahoo! Sports.

      Maybe he should give a call to Isaiah Thomas.

    2. Wood to Dallas, huh? If he starts at C for them, it will do wonders for their offense. But they’re gonna be really small like the Dubs. Especially if they move Powell. I don’t know if that works for them because they don’t have enough switchable defenders. Their shooting is gonna be ok, but I don’t know about the rest. They’re definitely gonna have to find a way to move Bertans or TH2 in favor of 3&D. That’s gonna be hard.

      That said- for anyone who has been optimistic about Brunson joining the Knicks, you have to be REALLY hopeful that he WANTS to leave now. I think Ivey is definitely the play, but I’m wondering if we should keep Rose and Burks to bring him up and lose Fournier and Cam to make this work. I wonder if we can talk Sacto into #4 and Barnes for Fournier, Cam, 11, and the Dallas pick

    3. TheKnicksWall.com link above does a deep dive into our options for the 2nd round pick, including Josh Minott and some guys i wasn’t thinking for our pick.

      And the EmpireSportsMedia.com link have some interesting stuff, take a look.

      It’s an open secret that the Knicks covet Ivey after using one of their 20 interview slots at the NBA Draft Combine and being front and center in his Pro Day. Add the fact that Ivey is a Creative Artists Agency client. Ivey shares the same agent (CAA’s Austin Brown) with Knicks former lottery pick Obi Toppin.
      If the Knicks missed out on Ivey, their reported options are pursuing other CAA clients — Dallas Mavericks’ breakout star Jalen Brunson in a complicated sign-and-trade or a swap for Indiana Pacers’ Malcolm Brogdon.
      One of Brunson’s CAA representatives is Sam Rose, the son of Knicks president Leon Rose. Meanwhile, Brogdon’s agent is also Brown.

    4. If it matters to anyone’s potential trades, we potentially have ~$65M in cap space next year before re-signing or extending RJ & Cam (or signing draft picks).

    5. Just read the wiki page on Rick Brunson. This franchise just can’t f**king help itself.

    6. cybersoze: TheKnicksWall.com link above does a deep dive into our options for the 2nd round pick, including Josh Minott and some guys i wasn’t thinking for our pick.

      And the EmpireSportsMedia.com link have some interesting stuff, take a look.

      It’s an open secret that the Knicks covet Ivey after using one of their 20 interview slots at the NBA Draft Combine and being front and center in his Pro Day. Add the fact that Ivey is a Creative Artists Agency client. Ivey shares the same agent (CAA’s Austin Brown) with Knicks former lottery pick Obi Toppin.
      If the Knicks missed out on Ivey, their reported options are pursuing other CAA clients — Dallas Mavericks’ breakout star Jalen Brunson in a complicated sign-and-trade or a swap for Indiana Pacers’ Malcolm Brogdon.
      One of Brunson’s CAA representatives is Sam Rose, the son of Knicks president Leon Rose. Meanwhile, Brogdon’s agent is also Brown.

      It’s amazing how hard this franchise has sold itself to CAA and the NBA just doesn’t care.

      BernieEarnie: Just read the wiki page on Rick Brunson. This franchise just can’t f**king help itself.

      Awful.

      Brunson was arrested in June 2014 and indicted on charges of attempted criminal sexual assault, criminal sexual abuse, aggravated battery and domestic battery following an encounter with a massage therapist at a Lifetime Fitness in Vernon Hills. Authorities say Brunson used the name of retired NBA star Patrick Ewing to book an appointment in April with the massage therapist who had previously notified Brunson that she would no longer provide him with massages. Brunson pleaded not guilty to all charges.[19] He later testified that the incident that led to the charges was a consensual act as part of an ongoing extramarital relationship. He was eventually acquitted…

    7. Aw, poor Sacto:

      “Jaden Ivey is widely considered to be one of the top four or five prospects in the 2022 NBA Draft. That means he should be in the mix for the Sacramento Kings with the fourth pick.

      However, Ivey reportedly prefers to not go to the Kings. It’s unclear if Ivey has worked out for Sacramento or provided the team with his medical information. Those complications haven’t deterred the Kings from selecting a prospect in the past.”

    8. We should be trying to get Danny Green & the Sixers pick for Burks or Rose or Frenchie. (there would have to be some filler for some of those guys)

      I get we probably don’t want to draft more young guys but get another pick and use it to move up if that’s the case

    9. Hollinger has Josh Minott at #10 on his board. So yeah, hopefully we get him in rd 2.
      —-

      What would we give up for Ivey if Perrin believes in him?

      #11, DAL 2023, Rokas, Randle & Burks for Holmes, Barnes, & #4?

      If you believe Ivey is a future star, that might not be too much. If he’s not, then it could be a disaster. If Ivey can run the point, then Rokas is expendable.

      Does that give SAC enough win now oomph?

    10. To get Ivey, we’d probably need to start by including one of Quickley, RJ, or Toppin, which I don’t think is worth it.

    11. If Perrin and the scouts really believe in Ivey, then I’d do RJ plus 11 for 4 plus whatever salary filler is required. I don’t believe this FO would do that, but it also spares them the RJ extension dilemma.

    12. BTW, my suggestion of RJ + 11 for 4 has inevitably enraged Knicks Twitter, which is much higher on RJ than we tend to be here. (Or, at least, then we tend to be about the prospect of paying RJ what he’ll likely get.)

    13. Hollinger has Josh Minott at #10 on his board. So yeah, hopefully we get him in rd 2.

      I saw that, EB. Hollinger (full article here) is also WAY lower on Branham and Johnny Davis than the consensus, has Chet ranked fourth behind Smith/Banchero/Ivey (he’s skeptical any center is worth a top pick in today’s NBA unless they’re a no doubt about it superstar), is worried that Keegan Murray’s tape doesn’t live up to his stats, and has Blake Wesley as his number 11 prospect because the athleticism is worth gambling on in a very blah draft. Lots of interesting contrarianism here, at least.

    14. I always enjoy Hollinger’s draft stuff a lot because he’s really willing to put his own opinions out there undiluted. I think there tends to be a ton of herding in draft analysis and I really respect anybody willing to go against the grain.

    15. I would not want to give up RJ just to move up in the draft.

      I don’t know. It feels like yet another reset and trading away a super young player who still has a lot of upside. The draft is a crapshoot. There is no guarantee Ivey would be any better than RJ. And while I realize there is a big pay jump in RJ’s future soon and he may not be worth that, I’d rather gamble on that OR if we are going to trade RJ, trade him in a package for an established star or for more than just moving up 7 spots in a draft. I mean, if it was RJ straight up for #4 that makes more sense to me. But RJ plus the 11th pick just to move up 7 spots? Seems like a lot even if RJ’s ceiling is very uncertain.

    16. With KP, he had a major injury and hadn’t played in a year. We shedded unwanted salary by dumping Hardaway and we got two picks out of it, even if they are later first round picks.

      RJ ain’t hurt, so he’s not a distressed asset the same way KP was and by all accounts, he wants to be here (something else that wasn’t clear with KP at the time).

    17. With RJ, it’s about what kind of ceiling he realistically has given his style of play and relative level of athleticism. I believe he can be the third best player on a good team. Can he be the second? Probably not. Can he be the best player? Seems very unlikely.

      I love RJ. But between his draft pedigree, his counting stats, the fanbase loving him and also being very conscious of the Charlie Ward Curse, etc., he will almost certainly be paid more than he will be worth, and perhaps substantially more. If Ivey has the ability to be a better player than RJ — and, yes, the draft is a crapshoot, but our top draft guy is the one who traded up for Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert — than I think that’s a gamble worth taking.

    18. Geo – I’ll be honest with you, I love his music. I do. I’m a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don’t know if it gets any better than when he sings “How Am I Supposed to Live Without You”.

      So I am with Wiggins on this one.

    19. I, personally, do not believe Ivey is enough of a sure thing to make the RJ trade. It’s why I’d offer lesser assets and play on their win now desire. Sending over 2 picks and Rokas isn’t a terrible future package either.

      What about Grimes, Cam, Deuce & #11 (additional picks or Rokas?) for #4 & Holmes? (I love Grimes and wouldn’t do it).

      Grimes slots in well on the wing for them. He isn’t as high profile as RJ, but is a sold young piece.

    20. I’m very against trading RJ to move up. No more resets! But if we want to move up I think it’s going to take more than our 11th pick and the trash Dallas pick we got for KP. We might be able to do it for two of our first round picks, but it will probably involve moving Quick or Obi. That kind of thing is always painful, but if they feel certain it’s the right move, so be it.

    21. “Strat, it’s sepinwall, conveniently enough”

      Thanks.

      You are right. Knicks Twitter is not a fan of that trade idea. :-)

    22. Wtf??!!! A Thursday installment of discograffiti ??? I have a hard enough time remembering what day of the week it is as is. You f**ked me all up JK! I f**king HATED elo when I was a kid (and supertramp and Boston and Styx) but when I hear a fan as passionate as your most recent guest talk, I’m always open to the chance that I was too young and missed the point. Three episodes and the playlist somehow made me hate them even more. What’s up next on Monday? You guys need to get this nasty taste out of my ears!

    23. I’ll be honest with you, I love his music. I do. I’m a Michael Bolton fan. For my money, I don’t know if it gets any better than when he sings “How Am I Supposed to Live Without You”.

      saul goodman owen, saul goodman…

      as an avowed enthusiast for sweaty gladiator and vikings-go-metal dramas – to each their own good sir…

      no doubt both bolton and nikelback have become the easy targets of art elites…i do not believe it is possible though to tell another person what it is that they enjoy…

      Now I don’t wanna know the price I’m gonna pay for dreaming
      Oh, now that your dream has come true

      oh, and i finally get the whole romance novel thing…romance novel = oxytocin

      hmmm, maybe time to play a little sade, maybe some johnny mathis…

      gotta put that endocrine system to work…

    24. I’ve maybe been one of RJ’s bigger detractors, but even I think him plus #11 is an overpay for Ivey, who wasn’t much better as a sophomore than RJ was as a freshman.

      Idk… if the scouts want to do that trade, I guess I’d trust them. But if you’re including RJ, it should probably be RJ + the Dallas pick + a vet.

      If it was Quickley and #11, I might pull the trigger, though.

    25. I was listening to a comedy podcast recently that was talking about the whole Nickelback as a punchline thing. They brought up the fact that whole thing started because in the mid 2000’s there was some big comedian who told a joke about Nickelback on one of his comedy central stand up specials. That joke was used in the commercial that was played when they promoted that special and it ran a ton of times. So comedy people started using Nickelback as a punchline and that is how that idea went viral.

    26. The commercial was for Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn. And yeah it played on every break. Life was tough before Netflix.

    27. Hubert: I think RJ for the #4 is a very fair trade. No need to throw in another 1st.

      $10M for RJ this year
      $25M+ for RJ over the following 4

      I’d take the #4 in a heartbeat.

    28. I’d take the #4 in a heartbeat.

      And then trade that player away in 3 years in a heartbeat when they aren’t a superstar.

      And then continue to wait for the Knicks to be good.

    29. I’m on the record as fairly RJ-skeptical but agree it would be a mistake to include him in a trade up for Ivey. I might feel differently if I were higher on Ivey but as others have noted I view him as a similar prospect to RJ himself, and with RJ being bigger I think his low-end outcomes are higher than Ivey’s low-end outcomes.

      Ivey is definitely more explosive and if I had to say one way or the other, I do think it’s likely he has the more successful career. For that reason I would definitely do RJ for the pick straight up. The trade up is too much though considering I’m not convinced there won’t be players available at 11 who go on to have better careers than Ivey.

      ess-dog: If it was Quickley and #11, I might pull the trigger, though.

      *whispers* I might prefer RJ and #11.

    30. Is RJ a better player than IQ? Well, obviously IQ is better now. But who has the better career.

      Would love to see the results of that poll.

    31. What’s up next on Monday? You guys need to get this nasty taste out of my ears

      I’m pretty excited about next week’s episode. We have Jonathan Rado from Foxygen on as a guest. The artist we are covering is a singer/songwriter/producer who had his biggest success in the 1970’s and who happens to be one of my favorite musicians ever.

    32. swiftandabundant: And then trade that player away in 3 years in a heartbeat when they aren’t a superstar.

      lol saying that RJ isn’t a superstar is, uh, a bit of an understatement

      -1.6 overall RAPTOR
      -1.6 BPM
      90 TS%+
      -151.8 TSAdd
      -2.8 OnCourt
      -7.9 OnOff +/-

      You really are the guy who hits on 17 in blackjack. I got a feeling, guys! You gotta believe!

    33. *whispers* I might prefer RJ and #11.

      In a vacuum, no, but considering RJ is going to be getting $20+ mil a year, I would agree. His upside is higher, but IQ is currently better and almost certainly going to be cheaper.

      Jowles, swift has sometimes felt that your attacks seem personal, and I agree. It’s over the line.

    34. But as I have said, I am not on the Ivey train and would not want to trade up for him at all.

    35. Yeah, but when it comes to RJ, most people don’t consider two very important things:

      – “usage soaking”

      – “gravity”

      Those who know, know.

    36. I wouldn’t want to trade any of Quick, RJ, Grimes and Obi. And adding to that, i’d try to keep Mitch. Can we focus on trading the vets and/or our “star” (Randle)?

    37. JK47: I’m pretty excited about next week’s episode. We have Jonathan Rado from Foxygen on as a guest. The artist we are covering is a singer/songwriter/producer who had his biggest success in the 1970’s and who happens to be one of my favorite musicians ever.

      Can it be Alan Parsons? Or Brian Eno? Ok, ok, we have to wait until monday. ;)

    38. Can we focus on trading the vets and/or our “star” (Randle)?

      This is where I’m at. I know that our youngsters aren’t all going to turn into stars but I’d like us to hold on to them for another season so we can really see what we got.

    39. That didn’t really feel like an attack to me, just gentle ribbing.

      I was gonna say. If I wouldn’t do RJ and #11, I definitely wouldn’t do IQ and #11. I think IQ has a better shot at being better than RJ, though probably a higher chance of not improving much from where he is. Then again, his name is Immanuel Quickley and if anyone was destined to be an NBA star, it’s someone with that name.

    40. swiftandabundant:
      Can we focus on trading the vets and/or our “star” (Randle)?

      This is where I’m at. I know that our youngsters aren’t all going to turn into stars but I’d like us to hold on to them for another season so we can really see what we got.

      Luckily, the Kings being the Kings they want to win now. So if we throw enough vet talent (do we have vet talent?) it can work!!

    41. @IanBegley: Bennedict Mathurin says he’s worked out for the Pacers, Blazers and Pistons. No Knicks workout. Mathurin said on a Zoom call today that he has no other workouts planned but he is open to conducting workouts between now and the June 23 draft.

    42. Alan:
      Strat, it’s sepinwall, conveniently enough

      Omg, I’ve been reading your TV reviews for years! You are a legend sir.

    43. That we didn’t work out Mathurin doesn’t necessarily mean anything. As of now, he’s likely to be out of our range, anyway. And I’m not sure he’s worth trading up for in a way Ivey or Daniels might be. But if he should fall to 11, I doubt we would pass on him because of no workout.

    44. I’m more excited by the Candidates Tournament (chess) than I am about the draft. I hope the Knicks do something to change that.

    45. Deeefense!!:
      I’m more excited by the Candidates Tournament (chess) than I am about the draft.I hope the Knicks do something to change that.

      Who all is in it this year? Are you rooting for anyone specific?

    46. Quick does some things better than RJ, but RJ does more things well enough for them to be part of his game at this stage. Quick just avoids them. IMO RJ is more likely to become the better all around player if he can slowly upgrade what he does. The word is already out that this off season RJ is working on finishing at the rim and playmaking off his drives.

    47. “Who all is in it this year? Are you rooting for anyone specific?”

      https://www.chess.com/article/view/fide-candidates-chess-tournament-2022

      I’m not really rooting hard for anyone specific, but I have views on some of the players.

      I think Firouza is the most interesting because he’s so young, but I think his rating is a bit inflated. My guess is he’s going to struggle a little. If he does win, holy cow.

      I’ve tended to root for Caruana, but to me he snatches draws out of the jaws of victory too often. He’s playing better in the rapid games lately though. So if he should win, that might give him more hope against Carlsen if it comes to that again.

      I think Liren has the best chance to beat Carlsen, but he hasn’t been as active this year. He’s either been studying and hearing up or distracted.

      Nepo is great, but he’ll blunder away out of the championship if he manages to get that far.

      I guess maybe I am rooting for Naka at little because if it got into a playoff with Carlsen he’d have a great chance to beat him in those rapid games.

      I don’t have any opinions on the others. I’m not a good player, but I find the competition and following the games very exciting.

    48. I always root for Naka because he grew up in White Plains and used to help his dad run the scholastic tournaments I played in. Carlsen has completely and thoroughly kicked his ass throughout their careers. I’d be amazed if it goes to tiebreak.

      Magnus is in Naka’s head in a bad way.

      If Naka wins 1 game against Carlsen it’d double his career win total against him.

    49. I might be the only one but I don’t think the Knicks should try and trade up in the draft. I don’t think Mathurin or Daniels are notably better prospects than Eason, Branham, Griffin, or Sochan, and in fact, I like Eason better than both. So trading up to 7 or 8 seems unnecessary. Someone good will be available at 11.

      As for trading up to 4, I like Ivey but the cost to move up for him will be too much. He is probably a better prospect than Eason or whoever we take but I don’t think he’s a sure thing and moving up to 4 would cost additional picks and most likely young players.

      Unless the cost to move up is just Randle + vets, then I vote to stay put or even move back a bit as long as we can still get Eason after moving back.

      This draft is not the time to push our chips in. The top-level talent isn’t really there unless you can get all the way up to picking Chet but that seems highly unlikely.

    50. Ben R: I might be the only one but I don’t think the Knicks should try and trade up in the draft. I don’t think Mathurin or Daniels are notably better prospects than Eason, Branham, Griffin, or Sochan, and in fact, I like Eason better than both. So trading up to 7 or 8 seems unnecessary. Someone good will be available at 11.

      Nah, I’m with you. I mean if somehow the cost to do it somehow completely collapses, or the “cost” involves us trading Randle, then sure, but otherwise I don’t see the point.

      Ivey is a good prospect, but nothing about him screams superstar and I wouldn’t find it all that surprising if in 5-10 years one or more players available to us at 11 have better NBA careers. Ivey definitely has tools those guys mostly don’t have, but he’s got his own list of red flags such that it’d be hard for me to get excited about any semi-realistic trade up for him.

      It actually makes more sense to me to trade up for Daniels just because I think the cost would be substantially lower and I do think he might be a legitimate cut above the Mathurin/Griffin/Davis/Branham/Eason/Sochan tier, but the cost still projects to be pretty high, and again, it’s not remotely clear he’s better than all of those guys.

      A bone I will throw this front office is so far, at least off the top of my head, all of their draft picks have returned reasonable value for their slot (TBD on Jokubaitis and McBride I guess). If they can continue that trend, I think staying at 11 will prove wiser than trading up.

    51. Sounds like we worked out Agbaji today. I wonder if he’s someone they’re thinking about in a trade-down scenario?

    52. Of all the players we could take at 11 Agbaji is the one I want the least. Hard pass.

    53. ***I’m pretty excited about next week’s episode. We have Jonathan Rado from Foxygen on as a guest. The artist we are covering is a singer/songwriter/producer who had his biggest success in the 1970’s and who happens to be one of my favorite musicians ever.***

      Gonna go with Rundgren on this one. (He’s come up before on the show, and his work tends to get a lot of stars (The Band, Badfinger, et al)

      Still love the podcast, btw. Thanks for doing it. I know it’s a lot of work, but know that it’s appreciated by this anonymous KB reader:! (Also, I’ve realized in listening over the past few months that the episodes I like best are the ones that are just you and Dave and no guest. I think that the two of you are both knowledgeable enough and entertaining enough to carry the load, and that the guests tend to be a bit geeked-out on the artist they sit in on, bringing less objectivity than the show really calls for. Not suggesting you get rid of guests, just saying you don’t really NEED them. (…and I think I probably liked the Stevie Nicks episode more as it was than I would have if your guest had actually shown up. It was highly entertaining:)

    54. Thanks Donnie!

      I am always lobbying for more Dave-and-Joe only shows, but it really helps our numbers when our guests drive traffic. The Replacements, VU, Monkees, and ELO episodes were all “hits.”

      The Stevie Nicks show was one of my favorites. We were extremely annoyed that the guest (it was Tiffany) didn’t show up, and Stevie Nicks’ solo records mostly stink, but that episode was one of our funniest.

    55. I Think We Are Alone Now was my first favorite song I think.

      Heaven is a place on Earth a close second. Belinda Carlisle was Jennifer Connelly level in the mid eighties.

    56. ***Let’s not have another blowout***

      I’m not even sure which team you were writing that about when you wrote it, haha.

    57. Wonder what we could’ve gotten in the 2019 draft if we traded down from 3 to 28 and took Jordan Poole

    58. ***Wonder what we could’ve gotten in the 2019 draft if we traded down from 3 to 28 and took Jordan Poole***

      Fired.

    59. I’m at work and can’t watch, but I took a look at the box score. It looks like the Golden State bench completely outplayed the Celtics bench and Golden State went on a run the Celtics couldn’t match at the end of the first quarter and beginning of the second. I think Udoka knows his bench isn’t as good. He played his starters lots of minutes to catch up in game five but then they were tired and missing shots in the fourth. He might have to do the same thing this game, but the Celtics are a long way behind already.

    60. Ringbearer Wiggins with 10 points at the half. Ironman Andrew leads GS with 20:47 of playing time.

    61. I’m friends with some annoying Warriors fans but I badly need Steph to finish these fucking massholes off.

    62. I think Kobe said something to that effect, but basically like “yeah that kid is a lot like me” when Steph was still coming up

    63. I repeat, Celtics dumbest team in Finals history. Some of their turnovers are as Clyde would say, ghastly

    64. I should feel better about the Celtics losing

      Smart is pretty meh for me. Is he the best defender on his team?

      Williams is a better player than Mitch. And he doesnt seem to be helping.

    65. The Celtics love some Julius Randle heroball

      And letting Curry go one on one with Horford

    66. Williams has thrown three great passes in this series I can remember. That one they were talking about earlier was actually incredible.

    67. From the boxscore Udoka is putting in his bench with one minute left. I can’t imagine Thibs doing that in this situation.

    68. Congrats to the Warriors. They were not who I was rooting for in the Conference Finals, but I definitely wanted them over the Celtics.

    69. Besides Wiggins, who are the other interesting guys who can now say they have a ring? Otto Porter is an interesting one. Anyone else?

    70. I think Poole has elevated his status a ton.

      But Wiggins outplayed Tatum. No question he got the biggest bump in this series.

    71. Well I hate the laundry but don’t hate these Celtics like I did the Pierce-Garnett bunch. Horford is one of my favorite players of this era.

    72. I think Payton got a bump too. His numbers this year were pretty incredible and his defense seems to be the carrying tool.

      He is actually a pretty incredible story. Who has done this at 29?

      Also, why is he the Secomd and not Jr?

    73. Steph was amazing and Wiggins surprising but the Warriors don’t win this series without Draymond. He was vintage tonight.

    74. Also, why is he the Secomd and not Jr?

      It’s a VERY NBA reason. Payton got two women pregnant at the same time and both of them wanted to name their sons “Gary,” so the first one to be born was Jr. and the second one to be born (five months later) was II. Hilarious but true.

    75. Brian Cronin: It’s a VERY NBA reason. Payton got two women pregnant at the same time and both of them wanted to name their sons “Gary,” so the first one to be born was Jr. and the second one to be born (five months later) was II. Hilarious but true.

      That’s a great story

    76. ***It’s a VERY NBA reason. Payton had two women pregnant at the same time***

      And then Robert Williams Sr one-upped Gary.

    77. Congrats to ptmilo for winning his bet. (I never really doubted him, which made this playoff-run a bit anticlimactic to watch)

    78. Kevin Durant is probably working on 5+ different burner accounts right now

    79. IMO the Bucks were actually the best team in the NBA this year when healthy. They couldn’t overcome Middleton being out, but they gave it a good try and took Boston to 7. I don’t think the Warriors would beat a healthy Bucks team. They had an answer for Tatum, but they’d have no answer for Giannis.

    80. IMO the Bucks were actually the best team in the NBA this year when healthy. They couldn’t overcome Middleton being out, but they gave it a good try and took Boston to 7. I don’t think the Warriors would beat a healthy Bucks team. They had an answer for Tatum, but they’d have no answer for Giannis.

      Totally agreed, but health matters in the NBA, so I think this is a fair enough result.

    81. ***Curry, finally.***

      I think Curry is squarely in top-5 of all time discussion now.

      It’s Jordan, Kareem, and LeBron locked in (in no particular order). Then you have Wilt, Magic, Bird, Wiggins, Russell, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, and Curry in the pool to round out the top-5. It’s easy to argue Curry against the field now.

      Coming back at 34 with a very rag-tag team and leading the way to a 4th title

    82. On to the Knicks.

      1. They should move up in the draft if there’s someone up there they really like, but please don’t do anything too crazy. Something that involves Randle would be nice.

      2. Add a PG in case Quick doesn’t work out and Rose breaks down again.

      3. Try to trade Randle.

      4. Draft the BPA.

      5. If there’s a move that improves the C position with a defensive anchor that can also provide space fine. Otherwise cut the BS and bring back MItch.

      I think we can forget about Brunson. Dallas is going to pay whatever it takes and I think he’s happy there anyway.

      Brogan would make us better, but unless it involves Randle, I do not see the point. And I can’t see Randle being part of that trade.

    83. ***health matters in the NBA, so I think this is a fair enough result.***

      The Warriors weren’t exactly healthy this year. Curry, Green, and Thompson shared the court together for seven whole seconds during the regular season. But it’s better to be injured in November-March than it is to be injured in April-June, and Kerr/Myers played the long-game brilliantly.

    84. Donnie Walsh:
      ***It’s a VERY NBA reason. Payton got two women pregnant at the same time***

      And then Robert Williams Sr one-upped Gary.

      Did he have three women pregnant at the same time?

    85. Did he have three women pregnant at the same time?

      No, he was just joking around because Robert Williams is Robert Williams III.

    86. The landscape for next season seems absolutely cutthroat.

      The Warriors should still be excellent. The Clippers should be an absolute menace and the Nuggets project to be a lot better too. Who knows what will happen with the Suns, but I doubt they’ll fade away entirely. The Nets and Philly should both have their shit together more than they did this year. Memphis seems to get better every year and have a lot of draft and salary flexibility. Dallas could be a lot better with Wood. Boston, Milwaukee, and Miami aren’t going anywhere.

      Doesn’t seem to be much of a point in us trying to win games.

    87. I wonder if Steve Kerr ever second-guesses himself about turning down Phil’s offer to coach the Knicks….

    88. Z-man:
      I wonder if Steve Kerr ever second-guesses himself about turning down Phil’s offer to coach the Knicks….

      LOL

    89. Dray is 6’6” and registered one block a game this year… and played most of these playoffs at center.

      It must be nice to have a 21st century coach is all I’m sayin.

    90. Owen
      June 16, 2022 at 8:46 pm
      I Think We Are Alone Now was my first favorite song I think.

      Heaven is a place on Earth a close second. Belinda Carlisle was Jennifer Connelly level in the mid eighties.

      Sometimes I think we’re the same person, Owen.

    91. Yep Dray is 6’6″, and a great rim protector. It’s not just about blocks. He has great horizontal protection (can get to his spots), awareness, timing, and length. Both him and Williams are fantastic, and part of the reason their teams are in the championship.

      The league has figured out that big stiffs aren’t very valuable, but that doesn’t mean rim protection isn’t. I’m sure Thibs would take either guy at center.

    92. DRed: Steph Curry best offensive player of all time?

      Modern era: Jordan, LeBron then Curry and Durant. Dunno who I’d put at 5. Jokic will end up in the top 5 by the time he’s done. I keep forgetting that he’s 27 and his game will age very well. He ain’t shrinking anytime soon.

    93. Hubert: Owen
      June 16, 2022 at 8:46 pm
      I Think We Are Alone Now was my first favorite song I think.
      Heaven is a place on Earth a close second. Belinda Carlisle was Jennifer Connelly level in the mid eighties.

      I blew Lady Jowles’ mind when I showed her that I Think We’re Alone Now was a cover. Also we listen to “Heaven is a Place on Earth”‘s Spotify radio quite often. Lots of cheesy pop bangers in there. “Hold On” by Wilson Phillips is always near the top of the playlist.

    94. Donnie Walsh: I think Curry is squarely in top-5 of all time discussion now.

      It’s Jordan, Kareem, and LeBron locked in (in no particular order). Then you have Wilt, Magic, Bird, Wiggins,

      Nicely done.

    95. Fearing a Celtics win, i decided to catch up on some sleep. Bad decision. What was the Celtics fans reaction in the end? I would’ve loved to see it, because some weeks ago they were already champions, and karma always comes back to haunt you. :D

    96. One take I’ve heard is that that this season was largely gravy and that Tatum and Brown are going through the same developmental process as Jordan and LeBron went through on their way to finals greatness.

    97. Glad all that dumb basketball is out of the way so we can get back to the important stuff: fantasy GMing the Knicks

    98. Totally disagree on the Curry in the top 5 argument. He’s the greatest shooter of all time, no doubt, and a great’ great scorer. Still, I think he benefits greatly from today’s rules and style of play. Is he definitely the second greatest player of his era? Would you put him above Durant? Giannis?

    99. Congrats to the Warriors!
      And especially Kerr, Steph, Dray and Wiggs. They were the most important pieces of this run.
      Klay looks like Korver/Reddick now, and not as important to the team as in the previous championships. Not that a Korver/Reddick isn’t important to a championship team, but less important than peak Klay, i mean. It can also be because this is his first year since that long period injured, we’ll have to wait for next season to be sure.

    100. Z-man: One take I’ve heard is that that this season was largely gravy and that Tatum and Brown are going through the same developmental process as Jordan and LeBron went through on their way to finals greatness.

      Hahaha, who said that? A Celtics fan? With Giannis, Jokic, Luka, maybe Zion, you really think Tatum and Brown are on the verge of dominating their era?

    101. Early Bird: Glad all that dumb basketball is out of the way so we can get back to the important stuff: fantasy GMing the Knicks

      That’s it! Let’s go! :D
      First stop: the draft.

    102. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Modern era: Jordan, LeBron then Curry and Durant. Dunno who I’d put at 5. Jokic will end up in the top 5 by the time he’s done. I keep forgetting that he’s 27 and his game will age very well. He ain’t shrinking anytime soon.

      I think Giannis and Luka have raised their hand and are trying to catch your attention. :D

    103. thanks donnie.

      Klay looks like Korver/Reddick now, and not as important to the team as in the previous championships

      much better defender. way better on that end post injury than i expected. shot selection sucked.

      IMO the Bucks were actually the best team in the NBA this year when healthy. They couldn’t overcome Middleton being out, but they gave it a good try and took Boston to 7. I don’t think the Warriors would beat a healthy Bucks team. They had an answer for Tatum, but they’d have no answer for Giannis.

      wouldn’t be so sure about this. the celtics series wasn’t as close as the w/l, the celtics were like plus 8 per possession and also were not full strength. robert williams played 71 minutes in 3 games and smart missed a game and spent much of the series hobbled. the bucks had very particularly defensive weaknesses this year that were the precise weakness you don’t want against this dubs teams. would not have been easy.

    104. I’m sure Thibs would take either guy at center.

      If Draymond Green played for Thibs he’d be a power forward playing next to a shot blocker on a team with terrible spacing.

    105. “So much for needing a rim protector.”

      I think rim protection is a matchup specific issue. Dallas didn’t need rim protection either, until the Warriors demolished them in the paint.

    106. Z-man:
      Totally disagree on the Curry in the top 5 argument. He’s the greatest shooter of all time, no doubt, and a great’ great scorer. Still, I think he benefits greatly from today’s rules and style of play. Is he definitely the second greatest player of his era? Would you put him above Durant? Giannis?

      He did have a season of ~450 TSAdd. Lebron’s career high is like 350.

    107. “wouldn’t be so sure about this. “

      I’m never sure. I just take what I think is the right price when it’s available. :-)

      The Bucks really struggled at times without Middleton. If they ran that series back at even money healthy I’d make my maximum bet on the Bucks. The Warriors would be tougher, but I’d still take the Bucks at even money. (Home court might sway me a little)

    108. Ptmilo won his bet, but Donnie won the thread. Appreciate the laughs, DW.

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