Knicks Morning News (2022.05.27)

  • Dyson Daniels or TyTy Washington at No. 11, Knicks bigs shooting 3-pointers and more – The Athletic
    [theathletic.com] — Friday, May 27, 2022 6:41:33 AM

    Dyson Daniels or TyTy Washington at No. 11, Knicks bigs shooting 3-pointers and more  The Athletic

  • “He’s not happy in Brooklyn, he’ll always be second tier” – Michael Che believes Kevin Durant made a mistake by not joining the New York Knicks, says the Knicks never get the guy – Sportskeeda
    [www.sportskeeda.com] — Friday, May 27, 2022 2:31:42 AM

    “He’s not happy in Brooklyn, he’ll always be second tier” – Michael Che believes Kevin Durant made a mistake by not joining the New York Knicks, says the Knicks never get the guy  Sportskeeda

  • Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s “Black Jesus” Was Not Michael Jordan But This Knicks Legend – EssentiallySports
    [www.essentiallysports.com] — Thursday, May 26, 2022 8:00:00 PM

    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s “Black Jesus” Was Not Michael Jordan But This Knicks Legend  EssentiallySports

  • A 75-year streak is in danger of being broken tonight – Deadspin
    [deadspin.com] — Thursday, May 26, 2022 5:31:00 PM

    A 75-year streak is in danger of being broken tonight  Deadspin

  • Knicks’ new G League coach DeSagana Diop comes with Jazz intrigue – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Thursday, May 26, 2022 5:23:00 PM

    Knicks’ new G League coach DeSagana Diop comes with Jazz intrigue  New York Post

  • Nets have the stars but Knicks still the most searched team in NY, NJ – Empire Sports Media
    [empiresportsmedia.com] — Thursday, May 26, 2022 5:03:21 PM

    Nets have the stars but Knicks still the most searched team in NY, NJ  Empire Sports Media

  • Is Jalen Brunson the Knicks’ most attainable offseason target? – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Thursday, May 26, 2022 5:00:00 PM

    Is Jalen Brunson the Knicks’ most attainable offseason target?  Daily Knicks

  • Knicks Want To Trade Up In NBA Draft For Jaden Ivey? – NBA Analysis Network
    [nbaanalysis.net] — Thursday, May 26, 2022 12:01:07 PM

    Knicks Want To Trade Up In NBA Draft For Jaden Ivey?  NBA Analysis Network

  • ‘Best Trade Asset’: Would Knicks Deal RJ Barrett? – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:40:39 AM

    ‘Best Trade Asset’: Would Knicks Deal RJ Barrett?  Sports Illustrated

  • ‘Take ALL the Guns Away’: Knicks’ Evan Fournier Responds to Texas Shooting – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:36:42 AM

    ‘Take ALL the Guns Away’: Knicks’ Evan Fournier Responds to Texas Shooting  Sports Illustrated

  • 2022 NBA Offseason Preview: New York Knicks – hoopsrumors.com
    [www.hoopsrumors.com] — Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:46:00 AM

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  • This Nets-Knicks Blockbuster Trade Sends Ben Simmons To New York – NBA Analysis Network
    [nbaanalysis.net] — Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:31:21 AM

    This Nets-Knicks Blockbuster Trade Sends Ben Simmons To New York  NBA Analysis Network

  • Knicks fans should love seeing Nets Twitter in shambles over Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:00:00 AM

    Knicks fans should love seeing Nets Twitter in shambles over Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving  Daily Knicks

  • 3 Things Every NBA Team Must Do During the 2022 Offseason – Bleacher Report
    [bleacherreport.com] — Thursday, May 26, 2022 9:16:54 AM

    3 Things Every NBA Team Must Do During the 2022 Offseason  Bleacher Report

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    46 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2022.05.27)”

    1. No idea if the “Portland wants Randle” rumor is true, but for shits and giggles, anyone want to propose some fake trade packages? I’ve tried a couple of Randle + flotsam for Bledsoe + flotsam deals on the Trade Machine, none of which have worked.

    2. I couldn’t make a trade work either, but if Portland really wants him they maybe can find a way.

      By the way, what you said about Ozark resonated with me. I did watch the first season and liked it, but the next season just didn’t seem to offer any temptation. I think it’s because of what you said; I basically knew it would be more of the same and I wanted something different.

    3. No idea if the “Portland wants Randle” rumor is true, but for shits and giggles, anyone want to propose some fake trade packages? I’ve tried a couple of Randle flotsam for Bledsoe flotsam deals on the Trade Machine, none of which have worked.

      i haven’t checked but the trade machines probable don’t work bc bledsoe’s outgoing cap value is only $3.9 million — even before july 1 — unless they first guarantee his full 22-23 salary. but if the knicks were willing to pay bledsoe next year they could do that.

    4. That makes sense, ptmilo. I’d be willing to deal with Bledsoe’s salary for a year under that circumstance, especially if we somehow get anything extra out of Portland in the deal. Can Bledsoe still play?

    5. I think every year the Trade Machine has problems after the end of the regular season and until the next season begins (July 1). As an alternative, i use this – https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine – it has some flaws, but generally it works ok. In Portland’s case there’s a problem, this trade machine will let you trade Bledsoe for Randle straight up because they have cap space, but i think Portland will try to remain above the cap, or else they’ll lose the trade exceptions and the full MLE. And they have three trade exceptions, with a big one (20.8M from CJ’s trade).
      I think Fanspo.com has the salaries right for 2022-23, so you can play with it, just make sure POR sends us money that fit the 125% rule.

    6. Looks like Zion has been cleared to play with no restrictions. I’m surprised the Zion to the Knicks rumors didn’t start right away. LOL

    7. Swapping Randle for Bledsoe and a small salary like OAKAAK Keon Johnson to move from 11 to 7 should work and is honestly the perfect face-saving trade for the Knicks. They can say they got value for Randle and do a favor for a Klutch client by waiving Bledsoe.

      Portland could still use 11 to trade for Grant if they are so inclined, though the fit there is iffy and my guess is they don’t want Randle. Hopefully I’m wrong.

    8. There will probably be a lot of competition to move up in the draft. I’m not sure we have what it will take given what teams seem to want. They don’t want an excess pick. They want a vet that can make them better now. We have mostly kids and I’m not sure Randle is such a hot item right now.

    9. Yeah, ESPN currently counts Bledsoe st his buyout number. The error I get says Portland is sending out under $6.5M.

      Unfortunately, FanSpo also seems to be wrong as it still includes Randle’s incentive bonus as likely despite him not hitting the incentives this past year.

      I believe Randle for Bledsoe works straight up as long as Portland guarantees Bledsoe’s deal before the start of the season.

      If they really want Randle, I’d push for a pick swap this year, a future 1st, & a couple 2nds (POR has NOP top 4 protected in 2025 or 2nd rd in ’26), which allows POR to then flip #11 to also grab Jerami Grant.

      I’d also just do it for the pick swap. Or just straight up.

    10. From my casual perusal of the draft prospects, moving from 11 to 7 to draft another wing on a roster that is already overloaded in that position isn’t worthwhile. My expectations is that the Knicks either stay at 11 and draft Williams or Duren or trade back to get Tyty Washington or another PG.

      If the Knicks lose Mitch in free agency and have to rely on Noel’s stick figure legs and Sims, it’s going to be a long season. If Thibs feels Burks is his best option at PG, it’s time to bring in someone via the draft or the MLE.

    11. Getting to 7 might get you Dyson Daniels, though. I’m guessing not, as he seems to have vaulted ahead of Sharpe, and may even get ahead of Jaden Ivy by the time the predraft process is through. But it’s at least possible there. And he’s not so much a wing as a playmaker and jack of all trades guy.

    12. If Keegan Murray falls to 7, I’d snatched him up too for our newly created hole at PF.

      Knowing the Rose Regime, they’ll probably trade back down for multiple picks anyway.

    13. I’m not too crazy about moving up if it isnt for Sharpe or Ivey but getting off Randle would make it a net positive. Could that pick be packaged to move up again on draft night or is that not allowed?

    14. Moving up a second time is allowed, KevinR. It’s just a question of how much it would cost us to do a double-jump.

    15. KevinR: Could that pick be packaged to move up again on draft night or is that not allowed?

      It’s allowed, we did it in 2020, first moving up to 23 (for 27 and 38), and then packaging this pick for picks 25 and 33. I’d target the 4th pick (SAC) with 7th and one of DRose, Fournier, Burks or Reddish.

    16. If Dyson Daniels is climbing the draft boards, that would put 4 players on tier 2 – Ivey, Murray, Sharpe, Daniels. Tier 1 is Chet, Jabari and Banchero. That’s 7 players, so if we get to pick #7 we’d have one of these players available. I’m in for this.

    17. cybersoze:
      If Dyson Daniels is climbing the draft boards, that would put 4 players on tier 2 – Ivey, Murray, Sharpe, Daniels. Tier 1 is Chet, Jabari and Banchero. That’s 7 players, so if we get to pick #7 we’d have one of these players available. I’m in for this.

      I think Sharpe has fallen off after scouts bothered to actually watch his HS tape. I’m not sure how much though. Wasserman has him at 10.

    18. Sharpe was the other guy where they had footage of him during a workout dunking and I felt like I was in that scene from Moneyball.

      He may work out, who knows, but doesn’t seem very, ahh, empirical….

    19. The reports from the Sharpe workout seemed very mixed, yes. Great athleticism, meh shooting… the guy is very much a black box and a far bigger gamble than anyone else in the top 10.

    20. Then Sharpe is the typical Knicks pick, should we take the next Frank/Knox? :D
      I think i now trust this FO to not make those crazy mistakes we used to make in the past. My preference to move up comes from my view that this draft is not very deep and that all of the intriguing players might be off the board when we pick, but who knows, maybe some teams start picking the Mudiays/DSJs of this draft and we’ll have good options available to us with pick 11.

    21. cybersoze:
      Then Sharpe is the typical Knicks pick, should we take the next Frank/Knox? :D
      I think i now trust this FO to not make those crazy mistakes we used to make in the past. My preference to move up comes from my view that this draft is not very deep and that all of the intriguing players might be off the board when we pick, but who knows, maybe some teams start picking the Mudiays/DSJs of this draft and we’ll have good options available to us with pick 11.

      At minimum, it seems like there should be some good high floor role player types available at 11, but I agree that most of the upside guys are likely to be gone by that pick. So it depends on how much Walt Perrin and the others believe that those guys can reach that upside.

    22. If I remember correctly when Rose and co. came on board they said they have a 3 year plan to become a winning team. They lucked into one in year 1, crushed in year 2 and are preparing for year 3. They need a winning season. There is no way they’re trading Randle for a draft pick, because “good Randle”, or a player like “good Randle” is their only way to win this year.

    23. Alan: Great athleticism, meh shooting

      Where have I heard this before? Knicks’ lottery picks and their season TS%+ in reverse chronological order

      Toppin: 109, 100
      Barrett: 90, 94, 85
      Knox: 87, 94, 83, 85
      Ntilikina: 91, 90, 88. 74, 79
      Porzingis: 102, 102, 98, 97, 99, 96

      Not good, my friends!

    24. I’d be interested to know what Derrick Rose’s value is around the league. When he’s played, he’s been legitimately awesome -for example – if I were the Hawks, I would really try and get him, and turn the non-Trae minutes into positive minutes. If you’re Sacramento or Portland and are really interested in getting to the playoffs, it seems like Rose as a 6th man would be about as good as you’re going to get for that role, and on a reasonable contract too given the team option for the following season.

      You’d probably have Thibs hanging onto Rose’s leg like Van Gundy on Mourning on the way out the door, but he might be considered a very positive asset.

      Leon Rose’s statement at the end of the year really did make it seem like he was going to pivot towards youth. Would be interesting (and potentially tanktastic) for him to try and dump Randle, Rose, and Burks (and Fournier?) to these teams trying to make the playoffs and try to get whoever they target at 4 or 7. Being bad next season while playing the kids might not be so bad with Wembayana and Scoot Henderson at the top of that draft.

    25. cybersoze:
      Then Sharpe is the typical Knicks pick, should we take the next Frank/Knox? :D
      I think i now trust this FO to not make those crazy mistakes we used to make in the past. My preference to move up comes from my view that this draft is not very deep and that all of the intriguing players might be off the board when we pick, but who knows, maybe some teams start picking the Mudiays/DSJs of this draft and we’ll have good options available to us with pick 11.

      Rose/Perrin have drafted older players based on actual performance, with the exception of stashed Rokas. If anything the FO puts too much emphasis on numbers and not enough on upside. A situation I’m perfectly happy with.

      When hired, Perrin was described as an information collector compiling as much of it as he can. I doubt he likes the black box named Shaedon Sharpe.

    26. It’s funny, just the other week, I was thinking, “Why isn’t there a Conference MVP in the NBA?” So I’m glad that they started doing that this year. I had no idea they did.

    27. Any targets you guys have in mind for the second round pick? I would prefer adding another big there like Christian Koloko or the best big wing available.

    28. I’d be interested to know what Derrick Rose’s value is around the league.

      rose has played really well, but his market value is likely negligible. if you can generate a $14.5mm slot, you’re going to be loathe to use it on a guy with such an outsized chance of not being available when it matters. he hasn’t played 1400 mins since he was 28. and at 34 and coming off another injury, there’s also the appreciable risk he falls off a cliff. even at best he’s going to be a guy your opponent hunts on d in the playoffs. if he looks good and mostly healthy for the first few months, you might get some half hearted bites near the deadline when alternatives are scarcer.

    29. https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-mitchell-robinson-free-agency-return-contract

      Interesting piece from Begley. I found the analysis from the analytics expert a bit wanting (it’s not exactly groundbreaking to point out that non-dunks/layups have a lower xPPS than dunks/layups, but to conclude that it’s thus not worth trying to expand a player’s offensive game seems very like surface level analysis), but the news dumps could be significant:

      -“Prior to the NBA Draft Lottery, some Knicks decision-makers were in favor of re-signing Robinson. Those decision-makers have viewed Robinson as pivotal to Tom Thibodeau’s defense. I don’t know if there is a universal consensus on re-signing Robinson.”

      -“In the days after the NBA Lottery, multiple people in touch with the Knicks say they were considering offseason scenarios for the center position if Robinson signs elsewhere.

      I wouldn’t read too much into this, though. Any competent NBA team plans for all possible outcomes of their own player’s free agency.

      Also, it’s worth noting that the Knicks have sent trainers to work with Robinson this offseason, per a league source.”

      -“New York could have locked Robinson up to an extension well before the February trade deadline. There were extension talks between Robinson’s side and the club throughout the season, but at one point there was frustration over the gap between what the Knicks were offering and what Robinson was interested in.

      If that frustration is a factor in Robinson signing elsewhere – and the Knicks don’t get anything in return via sign-and-trade – the franchise will lose one of their best draft picks over the past decade for nothing. That would be significant mismanagement from Leon Rose and his group.”

      ————————–

      Overall I’m slightly more optimistic he might be back? It’s good to know there are at least some people in Rose’s ear telling him “it’s Actually Bad to let good, young players walk for nothing.

    30. KevinR:
      Any targets you guys have in mind for the second round pick? I would prefer adding another big there like Christian Koloko or the best big wing available.

      It’s hard to say without knowing who we pick at 11 and whether Mitch will be back. But some guys I like around our pick range are:

      Trevor Keels
      David Roddy
      Harrison Ingram
      Matteo Spagnolo
      Gabriele Procida
      Christian Koloko
      Hyungjung Lee (really underrated prospect from Davidson–might be able to get on a 2 way. Basically a Duncan Robinson or Max Strus lookalike)
      Alondes Williams
      Jake Laravia (my favorite of these guys, but will be gone by the time we pick, I think)

      If we picked a guard or forward like Mathurin and were reasonably confident that Mitch was gone I think Koloko would be a solid choice–I think he’s just a good pick in general. If we go with a big with our #11 I think I’d really like Roddy, Williams, or Keels.

    31. I haven’t spent too much time on the 2nd rd, there’s just too much noise early on. Even now, I just have no idea who will be available. I’ll probably ramp up 2nd rd research soon.

      Without too much in-depth research I have the following:

      Dalen Terry
      Trevion Williams
      Josh Minott
      And my personal pet favorite, Jaylin Williams (best draft outcome is Jalen Williams & Jaylin Williams, for uh… basketball reasons).

      I’d guess Koloko is gone, but I do like him.

      I keep meaning to find more on Lee, might be my next guy to look up.

    32. Here’s Wasserman’s post-combine top 50. It focus way too much on the combine but gives a short blurb about all 50, which gives you an idea of each player. Most his lists usually go more in-depth on a few people, which makes it difficult to find details on players. It’s a good jumping off point.

    33. In the 2nd I would love Leonard Miller if he is still around or if we can move up a bit in the 2nd. Jalen Williams would also be great but I think he’s played his way into the 1st round.

      I also really like Procida and think we should do what ever we have to do to draft him and maybe even get another 2nd and pick up Spagnolo as well that way we can start collecting draft and stash players to bring over in a couple years. It would be nice to have a whole group of international players developing like a farm team of prospects not clogging up our books but still giving us long term upside.

    34. Ditto on Koloko, Lee, LaRavia, and definitely Minott–that guy’s numbers do not scream second rounder.

      I’d add Ryan Rollins to the list. He was only 19 as a sophomore and was downright dominant. Obviously it’s the MAC so you take it with a large grain of salt, but that’s why he might be there at 42.

    35. Also worth a shout:

      Jabari Walker
      JD Davison
      Bryce McGowens
      Trevion Williams

    36. Most of the lists of potential draftees focus only on Americans. There have to be some potential players outside the US worth drafting in the top 50. I did a brief search looking for international players and found nothing. Any thoughts on who they might be?

    37. thenoblefacehumper:
      Ditto on Koloko, Lee, LaRavia, and definitely Minott–that guy’s numbers do not scream second rounder.

      I’d add Ryan Rollins to the list. He was only 19 as a sophomore and was downright dominant. Obviously it’s the MAC so you take it with a large grain of salt, but that’s why he might be there at 42.

      Rik Smits came from the MAC as I recall.

    38. Knick fan not in NJ:
      Most of the lists of potential draftees focus only on Americans.There have to be some potential players outside the US worth drafting in the top 50.I did a brief search looking for international players and found nothing.Any thoughts on who they might be?

      It’s a super weak draft for international prospects. There’s a few, but it’s pretty meh.

    39. This is one of those times where I think Jimmy Butler legitimately having a work ethic/competitiveness in the 99th percentile in NBA history makes a difference. I’m pretty sure he’s badly banged up but that guy is always going to give everything he’s got.

    40. I just finished a conference call and put on the end of the Boston Miami game. I immediately regretted it. Boston was catching up and now just went ahead. I really am not sure I want to watch Boston clinch a finals appearance.

    41. Definitely, and it was a compelling ending, so I was glad I watched.

    42. Joseph Gill’s analysis is interesting. I don’t disagree with any of his assessments of Mitch’s efficiency in a vacuum, but take issue with this statement:

      “Even if his positioning was clogging the rim, surely it should be on his teammates to adapt to Robinson’s elite at-rim efficiency. Why instead would it be Robinson’s duty to sacrifice attempts and efficiency to execute his highly valuable skill set in a way most convenient to inferior finishers?

      Clearly, I believe that the lane-clogging aspects of Robinson’s positioning are minimal compared to the benefits provided by the threat of lobs and dump-downs to Robinson. Shots that score 1.42 points on a per-attempt basis simply print wins for the team attempting them.”

      First, saying that “surely it should be on his teammates to adapt to Robinson’s elite at-rim efficiency” is a pretty telling statement. It implies that Mitch should be the guy you build a team around, rather than building a team the best way you can in a restrictive marketplace and then finding a C to match the team that you built. Once you lock in Mitch for 4 years at a near-market value, you are making that marketplace even more restrictive. And assuming that Mitch will stay healthy enough that he will always be a positive asset in a trade is not consistent with his history thus far.

      Second, I have always taken issue with the view that wins are generated by a compilation of average PPP that is higher than an opposing team’s PPP, i.e. divorced from the in-game situational dynamics. In Mitch’s case, you can virtually guarantee on any given possession that Mitch’s PPP will be below league average simply by sending him to the FT line. This means that having Mitch on the floor in the last minutes of close games is a PPP trap door.

      Finally, Gill brushes off Mitch’s extreme low usage and puts the burden of efficiency of the vast majority of the team’s possessions on his teammates. In other words, it’s not whether Mitch’s efficiency would drop if he took a midrange shot vs. a lob or putback. It’s whether the team’s efficiency would increase if Mitch took some extremely low efficiency shots away from teammates. Guys like Bam and Horford take some 1.0 PPP shots that lower their efficiency, but it might be that they do so to replace 0.80 PPP shots from teammates.

    43. And this is why I think that in today’s NBA you should build teams from the outside in, unless the guy on the inside is Embiid, Jokic, KAT (well not really) Giannis, or even Bam. That’s why I’m not overly concerned about whether we lose Mitch for nothing, or for a minimal return. The FO was overly cautious based on Mitch’s injury history and lackluster first 20-30 games or so and it looks like they miscalculated based on his resurgence later in the season. So be it, they’ll have to live with a lower cost facsimile of Mitch and his 5 uberefficient FGA per game. I can live with a less efficient but more versatile solution to the C problem, hopefully one who can be on the floor when the game comes down to FT makes.

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