Knicks Morning News (2022.05.17)

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    58 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2022.05.17)”

    1. Several NBA writers have pointed out how weird it’s going to be to have World Wide Wes on the dais for us, given that his entire career has been built around acting in the shadows, not doing interviews, not being the public face of anything.

      Fingers crossed for an improbable jump into the top 4, but reconciled to the idea that we’re picking 11th or even 12th.

    2. Yeah, all the suspense will disappear with the inevitable “the 11th pick goes to the New York Knicks”

      (but we sure as hell are due, right?)

    3. And if it happens, obviously it will happen in a draft like this where there doesn’t appear to be a future superstar in the lottery (with the possible exception of Chet if he doesn’t get his ass kicked by bigger NBA players).

    4. Alan:
      And if it happens, obviously it will happen in a draft like this where there doesn’t appear to be a future superstar in the lottery (with the possible exception of Chet if he doesn’t get his ass kicked by bigger NBA players).

      For sure, but still, I’ll take it

    5. And that is why Leon didn’t extend Mitch until now, because we’ll get the #1 pick and WWW will run shirtless around the room. LOL

    6. Okay, fine, let’s do fantasy time before the usually drab reality hits us in primetime tonight. Pretend we leap up to the top pick. Do you want Chet, Jabari, Paolo, Jaden, or none of the above?

    7. Since we are most likely picking 11th, I’m hoping for either Mathurin or Daniels to fall to us, which, according to some drafts, could happen. After that, it gets a little dicey.

    8. Either Jabari or Ivey would be fine with me. I’m not sold on Banchero and Chet is KP2.0 except skinnier.

    9. As to #11, I’m really struggling with defining a preferred player who is reasonably likely to be available (i.e. not considering guys like Sharpe or Murray) as every available player will have some intrigue. I’m out on Davis, TyTy, Eason, Williams and Hardy…and probably Dieng.

      That leaves AJ, Mathurin, Duren, Dyson, Sochan, Agbiji, and Branham. I would trust the FO to do their homework and identify the best of this bunch who hasn’t been snapped up.

    10. Alan:
      Okay, fine, let’s do fantasy time before the usually drab reality hits us in primetime tonight. Pretend we leap up to the top pick. Do you want Chet, Jabari, Paolo, Jaden, or none of the above?

      I’d love to jump to Top4 to get Ivey. With pick #1 i guess we’d have to pick Chet because he’s probably the one with the higher ceiling, or we could trade down to pick #4 (to get Ivey) and collect another asset in the process (eg, OKC offers #4 and #12 for #1).

    11. Tyus Jones is looking for a starting role. With Brunson looking less and less likely, he may be a decent option.

    12. There’s another option for the #1 pick, in case we get it, it’s Leon packing the pick and some players in a trade for a superstar.

    13. cybersoze: With pick #1 i guess we’d have to pick Chet because he’s probably the one with the higher ceiling

      Maybe, but drafting a stick figure at #1 seems pretty risky to me…

    14. Deeefense!!: Tyus Jones is looking for a starting role.With Brunson looking less and less likely, he may be a decent option.

      Count me in. ;) If we have Tyus or Brunson here next season, i’ll be happy. I think Quick plays better with another PG on the court with him. Trade Fournier for some asset – late 1st or two 2nds – and start Brunson/Tyus + Quick, with DRose and Grimes as the backups.

    15. Z-man: Maybe, but drafting a stick figure at #1 seems pretty risky to me…

      I agree, but NBA Draft is a risky business. I don’t think you could play small ball against Chet, like some teams did when we had KP. He doesn’t look like a guy that’ll be easily stopped by small defenders (eg, Marcus Smart).

    16. Alan:
      Several NBA writers have pointed out how weird it’s going to be to have World Wide Wes on the dais for us, given that his entire career has been built around acting in the shadows, not doing interviews, not being the public face of anything.

      Fingers crossed for an improbable jump into the top 4, but reconciled to the idea that we’re picking 11th or even 12th.

      Maybe tonight World Wide Wes can add the title Good Luck Charm Wes to his profile.

    17. My very favorite part about the NBA draft is that it turns cold-blooded, methodologically rigorous, statistically focused logicians into “She’s a witch! Burn her!”

    18. Being a Knick fan means knowing they are far more likely fall to 12 or even 14 than move up in the draft lottery.

      At 11 I like Mathurin a lot, hopefully he’s still on the board.
      If a miracle happens and they get to #4 Ivey would be my choice to solve the ongoing point guard problem.

    19. Hopefully Detroit throws a lot of money at Ayton, so that Mitch has no big money team trying to sign him!

    20. Tyus Jones is looking for a starting role. With Brunson looking less and less likely, he may be a decent option.

      Jones followed that up, though, by saying he loves it in Memphis and views his current role as basically a starting role. I think Memphis keeps him if they pay him $13 million a year.

    21. Brian Cronin: Hopefully Detroit throws a lot of money at Ayton, so that Mitch has no big money team trying to sign him!

      If they throw big money to Mitch, we’ll switch to the backup plan (Hartenstein). Same age as Mitch and… go check his stats! ;)

    22. Brian Cronin: Jones followed that up, though, by saying he loves it in Memphis and views his current role as basically a starting role.

      Who is he trying to fool? LOL

    23. Chet is an easy call at #1. He’s in pretty rarified air statistically and I don’t know of anyone who profiled that well but disappointed in the NBA due to body concerns. That tends to get figured out with NBA nutritionists and trainers.

      Also, the Porzingis comps don’t do it for me at all. Porzingis is soft as hell, and it shows up in his statistics–20% of your shots at the rim as a 7’3″ guy is hilarious. 125/175 of Chet’s 2PT shots were at the rim, and that was as a true freshman. For good measure, he hit 84% of them and was only assisted on 52% of them. For good-er measure, he also hit 39% of his threes and was only assisted on 78% of them.

      Don’t overthink it. The #1 overall pick is the guy who played much better than anyone else. BPM isn’t a great stat for evaluating college players, but it does mean something that he had the third highest BPM as a freshman of all time (behind Zion and AD).

      The top 10 in freshman BPM is damn near a who’s who in can’t miss prospects, in order: Zion, AD, Chet, KAT, Mobley, Nerlens, Lonzo, Embiid, D’Angelo Russell, JJJ.

      There’s only one guy there who you could say is a “bust” in any sense of the word. Naturally it is the New York Knick, but even Nerlens has carved out a perfectly good career.

    24. Yeah, great post TNFH. Agree 100%. It would be ridiculous in my book to pass on Chet with him having put up numbers even if he looks like he was scribbled by some stick figure comic artist.

    25. There’s a first time for everything. The assumption that NBA nutritionists and trainers will figure out how to turn a literal skeleton into a hardened NBA player who can endure a full NBA grind including playoffs without breaking down physically, much less getting targeted and bullied by much stronger players seems like a giant leap of faith to me. He’s not just skinny a la Ralph Samson or KD. He’s emaciated from head to toe. He’s also not all that tall or long. In the NCAA he was the tallest/longest player on the court on most nights. That will not be true in the NBA where he matched up with players just as long and tall and fast and agile and 50-100lbs heavier on most nights. Will he be able to handle setting screens, or getting through them? Will he be able to box out and rebound? Will he be able to keep players like Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, KAT, etc. from punishing him at the basket? Will he be mobile enough to deal with Bam, Mobley, JJJ, AD, etc.?

      As to the differences between him and KP, you’re assuming that Chet will get to the rim just as easily in the NBA as in the NCAA. I think he’s in for a rude awakening and will be labeled as soft in pretty short order.

      There’s a gaping chasm between “unlikely to be a bust” and “worthy of picking at #1 over anyone else.” I wouldn’t touch him at #1 and might pass at #2 and #3 as well. After that, the risk-reward thing levels out a bit, but I’d still be very leery.

    26. If you get a pick that high in the lottery, you should swing for the fences. Chet or Ivey. The other guys projected near the top look more like they have average NBA starter type ceilings.

    27. JK47:
      If you get a pick that high in the lottery, you should swing for the fences.

      Sure, just pick something better than a broom handle to swing with.

    28. Sharpe is really the wild card this draft as he could possibly be the best prospect and no one would know.

      Would be nice if we could trade up to like 7 to take him and he only chooses to work out for us. We would never be that lucky tho.

      Chet at #1 seems pretty obvious but I still think we’ll get a good player at 11(or 12!)

    29. I would be scared to take Chet as well considering his makeup and just being bigger than everyone else at the college level.

      Hypothetically if we got the #1 we could trade down to take Ivey and get another lottery pick in next years draft(Victor sweepstakes). I would be all over that.

    30. Chet’s body reminds me of Poku’s and that scares me. He lived at the rim while inside the arc and I just don’t see him hitting 85% of his shots on the next level. Still, he’s not the kind of prospect where you have to ignore his stats to put him in the top tier. He was arguably the best player in the NCAA and the list of top-performing freshmen by BPM is pretty awesome company to have. I’d close my eyes, make the pick and dare to be proven wrong.

      Keegan Murray is my pick if available. People sweating about his age (21, lol) are missing the forest for the trees. This is not a Brandon Clarke situation (which has upside anyway, since you’re getting his athletic prime on a rookie deal and then his first contract should run into his 30s). Murray all the way after #1. Trade down a couple slots if possible. He looks like a surefire offensive star.

    31. I’d go Holmgren, Ivey, Parker, and then may go Sharpe ahead of Banchero.

      Chet is the only one who, statistically, has zero holes in his game. Parker can’t get to the basket, Banchero is inefficient, Ivey isn’t is ball dominant and has questionable passing skills, Sharpe is a mystery box.

    32. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Chet’s body reminds me of Poku’s and that scares me.

      It’s an important distinction that Chet dominated the NCAA and Poku sucked donkey butt in a 2nd tier Greek league.

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Keegan Murray is my pick if available.

      I do love Murray from what I’ve seen, haven’t gone too deep on him, but would not surprise me if I liked him better than Paolo or Jabari.

      Still think Tari Eason is going to be phenomenal at #11 if we stay put.

    33. When the ping-pong balls come up 11 or 12 tonight, at least we’ll have the memories of Alec Burks’s clutch defense on cold March Wednesday nights. Some of them even got the Knicks to within 3.5 games of the last play-in spot!!

    34. Ivey seems the like type of player we could use most, but it seems he’s not the best possible version of that?

    35. He might make me look stupid for saying this, and I only started watching closely in like mid-February, but Ivey doesn’t do much for me. He does have an NBA body and good, if not plus, athleticism.

      If they’re at 11 or 12, best thing to do is just pick Mathurin or Agbaji — at least they can shoot. Unless you get lucky, you aren’t getting much at that spot. Median is sub-starter, for sure.

    36. ***Jones views his current role as basically a starting role.***

      Haha. Yeah, he does have a point there. For as fun as Morant is, the guy has a high season ending injury probability rating every second he’s on the court. “Basically a starting role” means not on day one, but maybe by day two or three.

    37. If you look at the 4 conference finalists, one of the things they share in common is a real dirth of traditional size. For all four teams the guys playing the lion’s share of the minutes at C are smaller, more versatile players who would have been PFs in another age. Holmgren’s statistical case is overwhelming (and well laid out by tnfh) but I really am skeptical of investing a massive asset like the #1 pick in a 7-footer with the way the game is now. In the playoffs defensive versatility and specifically the ability to switch increases in value so much. I really worry that even if Chet’s weight isn’t an issue and he works out, he’s going to have a hard time finding a place on a really high level team because he’s going to be too limited in terms of what he can do defensively.

    38. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP2d5LTL22Q

      I don’t ever see him turning into a major playmaker for others, but his offensive skillset as a scorer is outstanding. Amazing touch around the rim, runs the open floor with confidence as a ball-handler, cuts and drives at will. Nose for the ball on putbacks and loose balls. Shoots about 40% from three. Oh, and he’s apparently a plus defender.

      He’s going to thrive on a team that is able to space the floor for his cuts. He is also the perfect modern NBA size at 6’8″.

    39. thenamestsam: In the playoffs defensive versatility and specifically the ability to switch increases in value so much. I really worry that even if Chet’s weight isn’t an issue and he works out, he’s going to have a hard time finding a place on a really high level team because he’s going to be too limited in terms of what he can do defensively.

      From everything I’ve seen and read, Chet is good to great on the perimeter. One of his main selling points is he’s very capable both at the rim and on the perimeter on defense. He’s not Rudy Gobert who you can neutralize by playing small at the 5.

    40. I don’t have a particular fondness for Ivey, it’s more that I’m not super high on Jabari or Banchero either.

    41. Jowles seems quite offended by how small Chet’s glutes are.

      He really is an odd case. You have guys like Giannis who are underdeveloped/malnourished but have huge physical projection. You have productive guys you downgrade because the cement is dry (my favorite baseball phrase) like, I don’t know, Montrezl Harrell or whichever Villanova senior PF led them to the Final Four. Or they have bad measurables like, I don’t know, Luka Doncic.

      And then you have Chet who was amazingly productive and looks like he has the body of a 16 year old incel.

      I would just trust the numbers.

    42. Owen: Jowles seems quite offended by how small Chet’s glutes are.

      I stanned Tyson and he had bucatini for legs

    43. Yeah with Chet, I trust the numbers.

      “For all four teams the guys playing the lion’s share of the minutes at C are smaller, more versatile players who would have been PFs in another age.”

      Unfortunately, it’s always 2009 in Thibs’ head.

    44. Early Bird: From everything I’ve seen and read, Chet is good to great on the perimeter. One of his main selling points is he’s very capable both at the rim and on the perimeter on defense. He’s not Rudy Gobert who you can neutralize by playing small at the 5.

      I’ve seen people say that but I’m skeptical. It’s incredibly rare for guys with that kind of frame to be good switch defenders and I’m not convinced you can really accurately evaluate it in college because the floor spacing is so much worse. If you believe in that part of his game then, yeah, I think he’s the easy choice at #1.

    45. If you look at the 4 conference finalists

      Last year, three of the four conference finalists had traditional big men, including the two NBA finalists. So I wouldn’t read too much into this playoffs.

    46. I want Chet or Ivey, then probably Banchero. I hate Parker as a prospect. 45% from 2 for a big man is unbelievably bad, like record setting type bad. I would barely draft him at 11.

      As for Murray I like him as a prospect but we already have Toppin and I don’t see Murray as a clear upgrade and I do not know if they can play together. Look at their two years in comparison I don’t know how much better of a prospect he is than Toppin was and none of us wanted Toppin at 8, I wouldn’t put him over Chet, Ivey, or Banchero.

      Sharpe is too risky and there are real questions about his defense. I have to pass on him in the top 4, at 11 he’s not my favorite but would be okay, not that he is ever falling that far.

    47. Folks, I have settled on what I want back in a Randle trade. Give me Mook back. He can still score from the 4, won’t block Obi, plays defense, and opens the floor for RJ. So, LA can have Randle and Kemba for Mook and Kennard. I imagine LA would have to send a pick as well for us picking up the extra salary in the long term. Also, even though I’d like to keep Fournier, having Kennard lessens the sting of losing him and doesn’t block Grimes. We should then theoretically be able to move Fournier to a contender and not have to worry about getting equal value back. Somewhere like Denver or something, I dunno. I doubt the Clips do that trade though.

      I hope this is the year the Knicks move up in the draft. At this point I don’t even care how far- I’ll be happy anywhere inside the top 10. I feel like Perrin can work some magic in the top 10- it gets dicey after that. Actually, I feel like Perrin can draft well regardless of where we land- I’m just more worried about our pick being a reach at 11-12 or whatever.

    48. Brian Cronin: Last year, three of the four conference finalists had traditional big men, including the two NBA finalists. So I wouldn’t read too much into this playoffs.

      I would argue that the Bucks closed a lot of games without Lopez last year and that last year was also pretty anomalous with how many injuries there were in the playoffs but anyway my point wasn’t really “it’s impossible to make the conference finals with a big C” but just that it’s an example of a trend that I think is pretty apparent towards switchability and defensive versatility being prized the deeper you get in the playoffs.

    49. It’d be wonderful to move up, but I don’t think this draft is all that top heavy. I could easily see any number of players slated to be available at 11 being among the best players in the draft.

      Dyson, Eason, Branham, & Mathurin could be stars. Plus Tyty, Chandler, & Sochan have intriguing skillsets.

    50. thenamestsam: I’ve seen people say that but I’m skeptical. It’s incredibly rare for guys with that kind of frame to be good switch defenders and I’m not convinced you can really accurately evaluate it in college because the floor spacing is so much worse. If you believe in that part of his game then, yeah, I think he’s the easy choice at #1.

      That makes sense, and I can only see so much in scouting or highlight videos, but he looks fairly mobile with his incredible length making up for anything else. If anything, his skinny frame helps him in flipping his hips.

    51. “it’s an example of a trend that I think is pretty apparent towards switchability and defensive versatility being prized the deeper you get in the playoffs.”

      Eh. Arguably the three best big men in the NBA (Giannis, Embiid, and Jokic) all either lost major teammates to injury or inexplicable suckiness. And switchability and versatility might not mean as much if the league returns to allowing significantly more physical play in the post-season.

      Mike

    52. I mean, we just saw what Doncic did to a lineup full of switchable defenders, which was to bully each and every one of them because none of them was strong enough to match him. He made Bridges look like a weak defender.

      Just like in most things regarding basketball, this is situational, and in many ways superstar talent will eventually find a way to bring an edge over any form of strategy or organization. For how many years have people hyped a different Lebron stopper and it never really happened?

      I honestly have no solid opinion on Chet, but with the production he’s shown I’d rather take a chance that he’ll be good enough to change the game around him, rather than drafting a safer prospect that ends up being just a solid starter. Of course it also depends on where those teams are in terms of expectations, but for Detroit or Houston or OKC, who aren’t looking to contend anyway in the next few years, I don’t see why not try and swing for the fences with a guy who actually has the numbers to back it up.

    53. The only way the Warriors can stop Doncic is if they manage to trade for Ntilikina right now!

    54. The most exciting part of our season is tonight… Sigh…

    55. With all the talk today, I was curious who I would end up rooting for tonight. Turns out I don’t want either one of them to win.

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