Knicks Morning News (2022.05.10)

  • 2022 Lottery Simulation and NBA Mock Draft: Who Would Blazers Take No. 1? – Bleacher Report
    [bleacherreport.com] — Tuesday, May 10, 2022 7:21:02 AM

    2022 Lottery Simulation and NBA Mock Draft: Who Would Blazers Take No. 1?  Bleacher Report

  • Trading Up Might Be Worth It for Jabari Smith Jr. – The Knicks Wall
    [theknickswall.com] — Tuesday, May 10, 2022 6:35:21 AM

    Trading Up Might Be Worth It for Jabari Smith Jr.  The Knicks Wall

  • Atlantic Notes: Embiid, Brunson, Rivers, Gobert – hoopsrumors.com
    [www.hoopsrumors.com] — Tuesday, May 10, 2022 12:51:00 AM

    Atlantic Notes: Embiid, Brunson, Rivers, Gobert  hoopsrumors.com

  • How The Lakers Could Bring Back Julius Randle Via Trade – NBA Analysis Network
    [www.nbaanalysis.net] — Tuesday, May 10, 2022 12:37:26 AM

    How The Lakers Could Bring Back Julius Randle Via Trade  NBA Analysis Network

  • Warriors’ historically bad 3-point shooting to start Game 4 vs. Grizzlies – NBC Sports
    [www.nbcsports.com] — Tuesday, May 10, 2022 12:07:48 AM

    Warriors’ historically bad 3-point shooting to start Game 4 vs. Grizzlies  NBC Sports

  • Nets Trade Ben Simmons To Knicks: Realistic? – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Monday, May 9, 2022 11:53:12 PM

    Nets Trade Ben Simmons To Knicks: Realistic?  Sports Illustrated

  • Knicks shouldn’t relive past desires with trade for Gordon Hayward – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Monday, May 9, 2022 7:00:00 PM

    Knicks shouldn’t relive past desires with trade for Gordon Hayward  Daily Knicks

  • This Knicks-Nets Trade Features Ben Simmons To NYC – NBA Analysis Network
    [www.nbaanalysis.net] — Monday, May 9, 2022 6:11:14 PM

    This Knicks-Nets Trade Features Ben Simmons To NYC  NBA Analysis Network

  • Former Knicks Guard Monty Williams Named Coach of the Year – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Monday, May 9, 2022 6:07:28 PM

    Former Knicks Guard Monty Williams Named Coach of the Year  Sports Illustrated

  • Should Spurs Sign Knicks Center Mitchell Robinson? – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Monday, May 9, 2022 4:31:29 PM

    Should Spurs Sign Knicks Center Mitchell Robinson?  Sports Illustrated

  • OG Anunoby’s career high vs. Knicks showed his potential – Yahoo News Canada
    [ca.news.yahoo.com] — Monday, May 9, 2022 4:22:16 PM

    OG Anunoby’s career high vs. Knicks showed his potential  Yahoo News Canada

  • NBA Rumors: Could Knicks Pursue Anthony Davis Trade With Lakers? – NBA Analysis Network
    [www.nbaanalysis.net] — Monday, May 9, 2022 1:40:55 PM

    NBA Rumors: Could Knicks Pursue Anthony Davis Trade With Lakers?  NBA Analysis Network

  • Knicks Eyeing Jalen Brunson As Mavs Battle Suns For WCF Appearance – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Monday, May 9, 2022 12:00:52 PM

    Knicks Eyeing Jalen Brunson As Mavs Battle Suns For WCF Appearance  Sports Illustrated

  • Three Technique’s longshot connections thrilled by Knicks Go victory – Daily Racing Form
    [www.drf.com] — Monday, May 9, 2022 11:16:12 AM

    Three Technique’s longshot connections thrilled by Knicks Go victory  Daily Racing Form

  • Donovan Mitchell’s Interest In Knicks Casts Doubt On Future In Utah – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Monday, May 9, 2022 10:30:00 AM

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  • Young playoff stars should awaken Knicks on Immanuel Quickley and Obi Toppin’s potential – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Monday, May 9, 2022 8:00:00 AM

    Young playoff stars should awaken Knicks on Immanuel Quickley and Obi Toppin’s potential  Daily Knicks

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    58 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2022.05.10)”

    1. For those who pay more attention to college hoops than me, how has Jabari Smith risen to consensus top draft prospect over Chet? And how, for that matter, has Chet frequently moved down to 3 in various mock drafts and big boards?

    2. “2012-13 Defense Rank: 14th
      2013-14 Defense Rank: 4th”

      Iguodala 2013 v. 2014 minutes delta: 2,040
      Jarrett Jack minutes delta: -2,349
      Draymond Green minutes delta: 736
      Andrew Bogut minutes delta: 983

      Trading for Iguodala was a front office move. Draymond Green has always been a defensive genius. Andrew Bogut was injured in 2013 and more than doubled his availability in 2014.

      That’s a coach changing the culture, alright!”

      He was already the coach in 2012-2013

      In 2009 they were 29th.
      In 2010 they were 26th.
      He took over a terrible team in 2011-2012. They were 27th.
      In 2012 they were 14th
      In 2013 they were 4th

      Players always matter a lot on both sides of the ball, but so does the emphasis.

      In other words, if the Knicks make a personnel mistake, it’s definitely Thib’s fault because he wants veterans.

      If the Knicks offense is unimaginative it’s Thib’s fault.

      If the Warriors start bringing in defensive minded players and executing their defense really well, management gets the credit and the coach was irrelevant.

      lmao

      There are plenty of bad coaches. The Knicks have had a few of them. He was not a bad coach.

      Whatever issues he had in Golden State, they have done a good job of keeping him from another gig that imo he deserves on his coaching record alone, but especially considering some of the bad coaches that get recycled in the NBA now.

    3. I thought he was a good fit for Golden State because they need better defense and they have young point guards he could mentor. He did end up having a bad reputation for some things at Gokden State, but coaching is a results business and his results were pretty good. I would never want him to coach the Knicks, but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t get results in the right situation. I thought Jason Kidd was trouble as a coach too, but he’s doing well in Dallas.

    4. Whatever issues he had in Golden State, they have done a good job of keeping him from another gig that imo he deserves on his coaching record alone

      His “issues” were, by multiple accounts, pretty damn severe. More severe than some of the stuff reported about Jason Kidd in Milwaukee and Brooklyn? This is debatable. But Jackson has the added liability of appearing on national TV broadcasts throughout the season and coming off as someone who does not understand the modern game of basketball. He has been hurting his own cause at least as much as all the stories coming out of his GSW tenure.

    5. Alan:
      For those who pay more attention to college hoops than me, how has Jabari Smith risen to consensus top draft prospect over Chet? And how, for that matter, has Chet frequently moved down to 3 in various mock drafts and big boards?

      I’m not sure there is a consensus on who should be #1. I still think it’s a 3-way toss up between Chet, Paolo, & Jabari.

      But for Chet, there’s the obvious physical questions and some questions about his offensive role. He shot well from 3 but didn’t take a ton of 3s.

    6. Alan: But Jackson has the added liability of appearing on national TV broadcasts

      I think this is the main reason he has not had another gig. Other first time coaches who get canned and come back tend to eat humble pie by being an assistant in between. Besides taking you out of the spotlight, one would assume that it would be a learning and growth process so for example a Mike Brown who coached Cleveland and LA has the added cache of being on the GS staff. Jackson has never done that. It might be he doesn’t think he needs to, might be he is too proud to do so, might be he tried to but no one would hire him (here his actions at GS are relevant–would you want someone like that “under” you?).

    7. I think Mark Jackson has kept himself out of the running for a lot of coaching gigs by doing things like telling the rest of the team Harrison Barnes was possessed by a demon and pulling from his ass the idea that an injured Festus Ezeli, whose very real injuries wound up derailing his entire career, was faking his injuries and rooting against the Warriors.

      Just my two cents!

      Alan: For those who pay more attention to college hoops than me, how has Jabari Smith risen to consensus top draft prospect over Chet? And how, for that matter, has Chet frequently moved down to 3 in various mock drafts and big boards?

      I bet Chet goes #1 at the end of the day. The statistical profile is too strong, and while his play style probably doesn’t lend itself to being the highest usage player on a championship team I’m not seeing that upside from anyone else in the draft either.

      I’m lower on Jabari than the consensus. His struggles at the rim are really concerning for a guy his size–two players over 6’6″ have ever been drafted in the lottery after shooting below 45% from two point range (our very own Cam Reddish and Ziaire Williams). I also think he’s being way overrated on defense, he always looked a bit slow to me.

    8. Van Gundy is a broadcaster and former coach who hasn’t been on a bench in 15 years but still seems to know the modern game and coaching strategies much better than Jackson.

      Most the reports out of GS are pretty terrible. There’s a report of Jackson forcing Curry to attend church to “heal” a sprained ankle. The congregation had him jog around the church (which I guess is a common non-ankle related thing they do), then put oil on his ankle and pronounced him healed.

      Also, literally nobody in the entire organization liked him.

      He’d fly down to LA to preach on his off days.

      Current Knicks assistant coach and former GSW assistant coach, Darren Erman was likely more of a factor in their defense improving than Jackson. He got fired a couple weeks before the playoffs while Brian Scalabrine got demoted to the D-League for no apparent reason (perhaps because Jackson was going to get fired after the season and was looking for a scape goat) but Jackson initially wanted him fired. Scalabrine was re-promoted after Jackson left.

    9. I don’t think you can make any guesses about who goes first until the lottery-Chet is too weird of a guy and he doesn’t seem to be anything near an AD/KAT type consensus #1

    10. The funny thing is that my hope in a lottery miracle is for us to jump to 3 or 4 so we can just take Ivey and not have to debate about which big man prospect to pick.

    11. Personally, I have Chet as the clear #1. Jabari can’t score inside the arc and Paolo was too inefficient for my tastes (besides there’s only 1 team that runs their offense through a PF and they suck, yes its us).

      I’d quite probably take Jaden over Paolo and Jabari.

    12. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Thunder are going to land Keegan Murray and win a title in 2025.

    13. I’ve read some articles about the Thunder possibly trading Shai because they aren’t ready to compete and he’s too good for their team and might hurt their draft chances.

      Maybe that’s just speculation but good god. What is the point of amassing so many picks and taking if you aren’t looking to find some young players to pair with Shai, who is one of the better young players in the league?

    14. Ugh, Tom Brady to become Fox News football broadcaster. Yet another reason to stop watching football.

    15. swiftandabundant:
      I’ve read some articles about the Thunder possibly trading Shai because they aren’t ready to compete and he’s too good for their team and might hurt their draft chances.

      Maybe that’s just speculation but good god. What is the point of amassing so many picks and taking if you aren’t looking to find some young players to pair with Shai, who is one of the better young players in the league?

      I don’t buy it. Somebody needed a news story. That’d be insane.

    16. ***literally nobody in the entire organization liked him.***

      Curry liked him a lot, he was very vocal about it at the time. In fact, I think a lot of the players liked him.

    17. The problem with a SGA trade is that as a trade asset, his max contract does not fit with the win curve. They don’t want to trade his contract for another veteran first-max player’s (unless it’s, like, Doncic or Jokic, who are untouchable) as they are not in win-now mode and the move would likely be lateral.

      They also know that trading him for future firsts could yield picks in the 10-30 range. So I do think there’s a scenario, like last year’s, where trading him and the #6 for the #1 overall pick could be useful for the Thunder. It’s also risky.

      IMO Presti ought to be packaging his future picks for top-5 picks for immediate use, not trading away one of two or three actually-good players on his roster for more rolls of the dice. If you can’t guarantee a top-3 or top-5 pick from SGA’s contract, I don’t see good value for the Thunder, even as he rapidly moves toward his prime with the Thunder no closer to contention.

      But since that’s all trade speculation (except for the 2021 #6 SGA for #1 overall pick thing, which seemed legit), there’s no point in handwringing over Process 2.0 until we see Shai in another uniform.

    18. Donnie Walsh:
      ***literally nobody in the entire organization liked him.***

      Curry liked him a lot, he was very vocal about it at the time. In fact, I think a lot of the players liked him.

      There’s some quotes about player support, but that’s also what players are supposed to say especially before a coach is officially fired.

      But here’s a quote from co-owner Joe Lacob:

      “Part of it was that he couldn’t get along with anybody else in the organization,” Lacob said. “And look, he did a great job, and I’ll always compliment him in many respects, but you can’t have 200 people in the organization not like you.”

      I can see the players liking him, but that’s still pretty damning.

      He went on to add:

      “And he [Steve Kerr] did the one big thing that I wanted more than anything else from Mark Jackson he just wouldn’t do, in all honesty, which is hire the very best.

      “Carte blanche. Take my wallet. Do whatever it is to get the best assistants there are in the world. Period. End of story. Don’t want to hear it. And (Jackson’s) answer . . . was, ‘Well, I have the best staff.’ No you don’t. And so with Steve, very, very different.”

      Harrison Barnes also blamed Jackson for the poor offense:

      “It’s hard when you get the ball in an iso situation and you have a set defense in front of you,” Barnes said. “Very few players in the league can do that. You look at the best – Durant, Melo, those guys – look at what percentage they shoot. And that’s the best of the best, so you can imagine where I’m at. I’m like at 15, 20 percent on isos. To get me with the ball moving, getting me in different spots, playing off other people, that’s more of a strength for me right now. Going straight isos, that wasn’t a strength for me.”

    19. Can you imagine the Warriors continuing with Mark Jackson? How different would the NBA be if Jackson continued to run isos and the GSW never became THE GSW?

    20. I’d bet on Giddey being on the SGA win curve as soon as next year. There’s no guarantee, but he Giddey did a lot of impressive things as a rookie.

      If the Thunder can’t put a competitive team around those two, then recycling players into another Process won’t fix it.

    21. Jackson was fired for good reasons, and should probably never be hired again. But Curry definitely liked him, it wasn’t just lip service. (That said, Curry may be the kind of person who likes everybody. Like geo, but with a great 3 point shot.)

    22. Donnie Walsh:
      Jackson was fired for good reasons, and should probably never be hired again. But Curry definitely liked him, it wasn’t just lip service. (That said, Curry may be the kind of person who likes everybody. Like geo, but with a great 3 point shot.)

      Fair enough, I don’t remember it that well and pulling quotes from 10 years ago can only be so informative.

      I vaguely remeber David Lee supporting him as well.

    23. Not sure why OKC doesn’t just build around Mike Muscala like so many other teams should have over the years.

      :-)

      I like SGA but to me falls well short of surefire franchise building block. And Giddey seems like an ultra high variance guy you can’t really count on.

      I was really uninspired by Banchero. Saw less of Jabari so can’t really opine. Chet I love. I understand the hesitation given his physique may make it very difficult for him to do things in the NBA but the guy produced big numbers as a freshman and that generally bodes well.

      Also, love that Barnes quote. Surprisingly self effacing.

    24. And Giddey seems like an ultra high variance guy you can’t really count on.

      And he’s 19, so… ; )

      If the Thunder can’t put a competitive team around those two, then recycling players into another Process won’t fix it.

      I agree with this completely. They have two superstar-potential oversized PGs. Those are so damn rare in the NBA, and they’ve got two. Punting on a rebuild is just crazy to me, especially since so many of their future 1sts are not dependent on their own W/L record.

    25. Also, I love Doc Rivers saying, “You gotta watch the games to know who’s the MVP. Analytics are dumb.” Now clearly I have some mixed feelings on analytics (see my ptmilo-critiqued Letterboxd opinions on the film Moneyball), but does Doc realize that there are 984 hours of NBA basketball game-clock every season? And that those seasons take place over about 6 months, which means it would be a literal full-time job (37 hours a week) for six months to watch every game in its entirety?

    26. ” but you can’t have 200 people in the organization not like you.”

      Did Jackson have any sort of bad reputation as a player? Have there been any stories about the people at ESPN/ABC not liking him? It kind of seems likely that whatever deficiencies Jackson had as a coach or an employee, it wasn’t entirely that he was some completely unreasonable a-hole when he’s not really seemed to have lots of problems anywhere else he’s been.

      Mike

    27. This is some good reading for whoever still wants, inexplicably and just to be a contrarian, to defend Mark Jackson:

      https://twitter.com/SherwoodStrauss/status/1524114715558834177?t=yQzupdWoGOHt_Ni3kmp_zw&s=19

      According to Strauss stuff was even worse than what was reported because ESPN kept a lot under wraps:

      “TV’s power was reasserted in 2016 when ESPN The Magazine attempted to run an article on the Warriors’ rise after Jackson, authored by a writer I’ll decline to name here. (No, it wasn’t yours truly.) The piece was ultimately spiked and not due to any errors or structural issues the article had. The problem with the feature was simple: The Mark Jackson content was just too incendiary.

      The Article contained the following:

      Extensive reporting on the cult-like “us against them” atmosphere Jackson had cultivated, in which he. Regularly demeaned the bosses to those within the locker room.

      Allegations that Jackson had, in his final days with the team, ramped up the religious rhetoric in ways that were increasingly extreme and divisive.

      How Mark had, according to sourcing, accused underlings of “being influenced by the devil,” inspiring Jackson to “lay hands on them to cleanse them of their evil spirits.”

      Two sources relaying that Jackson had referred to Jason Collins and team president Rick Welts, both openly gay, as “penis grabbers” who were “going to hell.””

    28. So I went looking (and mostly failed) to find out what teammates thought of Mark Jackson back when he played. I did, however, find this odd little bit in a piece largely trashing Jackson’s return to the Knicks in 2001 (mostly because he was over the hill, not because he was an asshat or bad teammate):

      And it also may be an issue of priorities: Many of the current Knicks are deeply religious, a devotion that Mr. Van Gundy fears is distracting.

    29. RIP Adrien Payne. Very sad story. Apparently he was trying to mediate a domestic dispute. I really liked him as a player and was surprised he didn’t have a Montrezl Harrell lite type career.

    30. I think being a colleague (at ESPN/ABC, as a player) or a leader (as a coach) are two completely different things. In my life i have experienced a lot of examples of people that were fantastic colleagues and when promoted they proceeded to be bad leaders.

    31. cybersoze: I think being a colleague (at ESPN/ABC, as a player) or a leader (as a coach) are two completely different things. In my life i have experienced a lot of examples of people that were fantastic colleagues and when promoted they proceeded to be bad leaders.

      You know, Cyber, I don’t have that big a staff. I will figure out who you are.

    32. Goddammit, twitter says Julius Randle is trending and I don’t see him having been traded….

    33. It remains underrated that Butler was on the Sixers, and as best I can tell what remains of that from an asset perspective is Danny Green. All they had to do was, well, nothing and I genuinely believe multiple titles were in play.

    34. I couldn’t watch the Sixers Heat game, but I see by the score that the Sixers got blown away. What happened that they did so badly?

    35. Knick fan not in NJ:
      I couldn’t watch the Sixers Heat game, but I see by the score that the Sixers got blown away. What happened that they did so badly?

      They shot like shit, turned the ball over, and let the Heat score at will. Maxey and Harden looked like G-leaguers.

    36. thenoblefacehumper: All they had to do was, well, nothing and I genuinely believe multiple titles were in play.

      Sure, but Butler’s attitude about Sixers culture was pretty damning. Said there was no structure, no voice leading everyone in the same direction. He said it on some podcast last year I believe. Made me think that he would have pulled a Kawhi had they won the chip.

      Bruno Almeida: Allegations that Jackson had, in his final days with the team, ramped up the religious rhetoric in ways that were increasingly extreme and divisive.

      How Mark had, according to sourcing, accused underlings of “being influenced by the devil,” inspiring Jackson to “lay hands on them to cleanse them of their evil spirits.”

      Two sources relaying that Jackson had referred to Jason Collins and team president Rick Welts, both openly gay, as “penis grabbers” who were “going to hell.””

      Let me go on record as saying that this shit, right here? Disqualifying.

    37. Owen: Chet I love. I understand the hesitation given his physique may make it very difficult for him to do things in the NBA but the guy produced big numbers as a freshman and that generally bodes well.

      Chet is one of the biggest question marks I’ve seen of superstar freshmen. It’s not like AD, KAT or Zion, where it’s like, yeah, this guy is a #1 overall pick. Chet’s numbers are insane, but I’d also like to see how much of that efficiency/volume is from flushing it over short guys in college. I think I made a post to this effect a couple months ago, but he is going to get BODIED in the NBA by guys like Embiid, Giannis/Lopez, Draymond, Gobert, Bam, AD et al. There are just so many supreme athletes to meet him at the rim, and his height will not be enough to bang inside or flush easy lobs. Do I think he’ll get some, in traffic and in motion? Yeah. But he’s going to lose a lot of that ease at the next level. The talent gap is enormous, as we all know.

    38. The Honorable Cock Jowles: They shot like shit, turned the ball over, and let the Heat score at will. Maxey and Harden looked like G-leaguers.

      Clearly Doc had them prepared for a pivotal game 5

    39. I think Embiid is clearly bothered still by his multiple injuries. The Heat turned up their defense and the Sixers simply had no answers. I don’t think I can hate a ECF matchup more than Heat versus Celtics but it’s looking like a very real possibility unfortunately. I still have faith in Giannis to save us from this dreadful outcome.

    40. Respect to Embiid for playing but it was painful to watch. He played okay but he’s a shell of himself with all the injuries.

    41. Doc talked shit about a guy who refused to play for a whole year and then had back surgery when his new team needed him in the playoffs-he was right

    42. It doesn’t matter if he was right or wrong, he should have kept his thoughts within the organization

    43. so, in important basketball news today – i’m not so sure i like frank’s sneakers tonight, they’re like this wierd blue color, like neon blue or something…normally i like neon colors with clothing, the blue though, not so sure…

      i like brunson’s shoes, got one of the boys some donovan mitchell neon green mike wazowski’s, they have this big eyeball at the top :)

      of course mikal staying true to those bright yellow shoes warms my heart, they’re some of the best looking shoes in the nba…unbelievable that young man has been so rock steady from day one…i think of RJ as a durable athlete…mikal is from a whole different era of sports…

    44. Ugh, Tom Brady to become Fox News football broadcaster. Yet another reason to stop watching football.

      i somehow managed to miss that particular piece of “news” (outside of espn and the front page of cnn – i gots no clue what’s happening in the world)…

      so, my first thought is – he’s going to be announcing while he’s playing…then i thought, that’s impossible, right, then i thought – oh it’s tom brady, i don’t know, maybe…

      my second – monday night football just added the best football announcing pair out there…

      i give them “credit”, espn threw damn near everyone in there at one point or another, all different kinds of combos…they should have just put lisa salters up in the booth, she’s been the only consistent presence with their on camera crew…

      i’m a giants fan, so not a big fan of dallas players normally (who cares anymore though, right), but troy aikman is an excellent color guy, i’m not that crazy listening to him work baseball, but joe and troy work really well together…

    45. Well, I have JK47 to thank for my 4 year old now ONLY wanting to hear Something In The Way on repeat everywhere we drive. (Though I was 16 when Nevermind came out, I never really listened to it as I was on a different musical track at the time. So I put it on today to enrich the podcast and now I’ve learned that a) I wasn’t missing anything back then, and b) I have a disaffected 4 year old.

      (*this isn’t even the first time that she’s latched onto a discograffiti trawl. Before this she got deeply into that impressionistic instrumental opening song to Meddle, which she called “the best song ever” and played for all of her pre-school friends whenever they’d get in the car)

    46. So your 4-year old daughter likes “One Of These Days” by Pink Floyd and “Something In The Way” by Nirvana.

      I feel a sense of pride.

      My four year old loves Devo.

    47. Fuck the Mavs and Sixers for robbing me of interesting basketball tonight.

    48. Now that JK is talking about bands from music genres (punk, post-punk, grunge) i love, i still haven’t listened to the pods yet (Replacements, Nirvana). Gotta catch up on that too. ;)
      And Nirvana was one of the few bands that got me hooked instantly. Amazing times. :)

    49. Whoa whoa we have a Mats pod now? I’ve got to give that a listen… a band that was never quite great and that was part of their charm.

    50. Let It Be is a desert island record for me. Was in a cover band called Bastards of Krum, played like half Mats songs

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