Knicks Morning News (2022.01.26)

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    1. The team knows how well players perform in practice. They know if a player has fixed his flaws. Demanding a player get more minutes is often about the fans wanting that info more than an argument about development.

    2. Performance in practice is a primitive and inane way to judge NBA basketball players. I’m kind of done with having a coach who routinely mouths bromides straight outta 1975 and other random philosophical inanities. The organization needs to move on from him and into the 21st century.

    3. Early Bird:
      The team knows how well players perform in practice. They know if a player has fixed his flaws. Demanding a player get more minutes is often about the fans wanting that info more than an argument about development.

      I concede that up to a point. And Thibs is certainly a better judge of talent than I am. But a game presents different challenges, variables, and opponents than a practice, no? Otherwise, we wouldn’t need to play them.

      I’m merely suggesting ALL our games this season should be “practice” and “development” for a future year in which we are better. So I wish Thibs would get more out of them.

    4. E, all merc’d out:
      Performance in practice is a primitive and inane way to judge NBA basketball players.I’m kind of done with having a coach who routinely mouths bromides straight outta 1975 and other random philosophical inanities.The organization needs to move on from him and into the 21st century.

      The player may still outperform another but this is about cultivating good habits, not winning. You can tell if a player has fixed his bad habits or not just through practice. If the reason Thibs yanks players is for bad decisions, and teaching them to make better decisions, then you don’t need game experience. If they can’t fix miscues in practice, they aren’t going to do it in game. Poor footwork, a lazy approach to a pick, and jumping at closeouts aren’t miraculously getting fixed in a game. Higher pressure situations make people revert to ingrained habits. Lower pressure situations gives them an opportunity to think and make the decision to change ingrained habit.

    5. The team knows how well players perform in practice. They know if a player has fixed his flaws. Demanding a player get more minutes is often about the fans wanting that info more than an argument about development.

      Or maybe it’s just as simple as Rose’s injury — coupled with Burks and IQ being able to fake it at point guard — creating an opportunity for Grimes to play big enough minutes to earn ongoing playing time, where Obi is blocked by a guy whom Thibs is gonna run out there for 36+ minutes every night that he’s available. And that’s less a reflection on Obi than it is on Thibs’ belief — right or wrong — that the team only goes as far as Randle can take them, and that Randle needs heavy minutes to be effective.

      Deuce is a slightly different matter. He did get to start briefly, and didn’t play well when he did so. It may be that he’s also not looking great in practice, it may be Thibs believing that Burks and Quickley are better fake point guards than Deuce at the moment, or it may be a genuine development thing — a belief that throwing Deuce out there at PG when he’s not ready will hurt him long-term. I have no idea. But Grimes got an opportunity, and played so well that for now there’s no room at the inn for Cam.

    6. My only strong opinion on Deuce not playing is someone screwed up.

      If at age 21 (young, but far from unusually so by NBA standards) he genuinely is not ready for any level of extended run in the event of multiple injuries at his position such that we have to do the square peg, round hole thing with Burks, Quickley, etc., that doesn’t bode well for his NBA future. Ayo Dosunmu is absolutely killing it for a team much better than us and is all of 9 months older.

      If this is not the case, yeah Thibs should play the only healthy nominal point guard on the roster.

    7. Early Bird: The player may still outperform another

      You could have stopped the analysis there. “Cultivating good habits” only matters to the extent that it impacts in-game performance. These are professional athletes; they aren’t 14-year-olds to whom we’re trying to teach valuable life lessons.

    8. E, all merc’d out: You could have stopped the analysis there.“Cultivating good habits” only matters to the extent that it impacts in-game performance.

      Well not all games happen today or this year. Funny I know, but cultivating good habits doesn’t happen overnight. Outperforming Alec Burks at PG today to sacrifice development is not that helpful.

    9. Alan: But Grimes got an opportunity, and played so well that for now there’s no room at the inn for Cam.

      This seems excessive. Grimes has played well, but he’s just a decent/good defender and good catch-and-shoot three-baller. He has few other skills. He’s not a high-end guy or potential high-end guy, and those kind of higher-risk/higher-ceiling guys that Thibs doesn’t like and is worthless around. Grimes and Reddish are basically in different analytical buckets.

      For a team in the Knicks’ circumstances, basically completely devoid of athleticism and upper-echelon talent, coached by a Neanderthal who doesn’t care a fig for either athleticism or potential, I’m just not going to get all giddy over unathletic, niche Quentin Grimes. Maybe that’s wrong, I don’t know. You guys can. (And of course it’s eminently possible to … you know … play both Cam Reddish and Quentin Grimes.)

    10. thenoblefacehumper:
      My only strong opinion on Deuce not playing is someone screwed up.

      If at age 21 (young, but far from unusually so by NBA standards) he genuinely is not ready for any level of extended run in the event of multiple injuries at his position such that we have to do the square peg, round hole thing with Burks, Quickley, etc., that doesn’t bode well for his NBA future. Ayo Dosunmu is absolutely killing it for a team much better than us and is all of 9 months older.

      If this is not the case, yeah Thibs should play the only healthy nominal point guard on the roster.

      Yeah, yeah… incinerated pick blah, blah, blah.

    11. I assume this is not all just about Thibs, but Kenny Payne would have some input. So unless he has tuned out Kenny, the young ones he plays and the ones he does not might be more than the biases of a single fossilized basketball mind.

    12. Early Bird: The team knows how well players perform in practice. They know if a player has fixed his flaws. Demanding a player get more minutes is often about the fans wanting that info more than an argument about development.

      I don’t really agree with this. Coaches misuse players all the time and coaches almost always fail as GM/POBO. Look at someone like Jeremy Lin. He played well in college and in summer league but he bounced around the end of NBA benches for a couple of seasons before we were desperate enough to give him a shot and it turned out he was actually a good NBA player. Jermaine O’Neal is another guy. Portland barely played him for 4 years and then traded him to Indy for Dale Davis. In Indy, he became an All-NBA player and finished 3rd in MVP voting on year. Ben Wallace barely played for Washington, got traded to Orlando for Isaac Austin, and then ended up in Detroit where he was the best defensive C in the league and because a HoF player.

    13. Those are 3 examples from the last 20 years of basketball. How many hundreds (thousands?) of potential NBA players have come and gone in that time period?

      I mean, yeah sometimes players get overlooked. That doesn’t mean McBride is some PG version of Ben Wallace just waiting for a coach to give him a chance. Most late first round picks and second round picks don’t work out.

    14. If you could take a magic wand and immediately bestow a 99th percentile outcome for Miles
      McBride he would not be the kind of PG the team needs. Best case scenario, he is a Marcus Smart type. The ACTUAL Marcus Smart would not be the kind of PG the team needs.

    15. I agree with Z-Man on this point. It doesn’t bother me that Thibs makes young players bide their time and earn minutes. Cam Reddish, in particular, seems like someone who has been coddled his whole life and can use a healthy slice of humble pie.

      What I don’t like is that when he does play the kids he fucks with them so much. Not only are they scared to make mistakes, but Thibs makes them do what he wants them to do, not what they’re good at. A good coach shouldn’t ask Obi Toppin to stand in the corner and hoist 3’s, for example, or make IQ play PG.

      This is why Kenny Atkinson was the preferred choice for many. Sure, he might not have gotten us the 4 seed last year. Maybe we’re the 7th seed instead. But we’d probably be better off bc he plays to player’s strengths.

    16. swiftandabundant:
      Those are 3 examples from the last 20 years of basketball. How many hundreds (thousands?) of potential NBA players have come and gone in that time period?

      I mean, yeah sometimes players get overlooked. That doesn’t mean McBride is some PG version of Ben Wallace just waiting for a coach to give him a chance. Most late first round picks and second round picks don’t work out.

      Those are 3 examples off the top of my head, I’m sure if I researched I could find others. Draymond Green, for instance, didn’t play much under Mark Jackson then Kerr got there, David Lee got injured, and Green became a DPOY and is going to go to the HoF. On the flip side, our own Tom Thibodeau was coach and POBO of Minnesota and he gave Andrew Wiggins the green light to dominate the ball on the offense and then handed him a 5-year max contract.

    17. vincoug: I don’t really agree with this.Coaches misuse players all the time and coaches almost always fail as GM/POBO.Look at someone like Jeremy Lin.He played well in college and in summer league but he bounced around the end of NBA benches for a couple of seasons before we were desperate enough to give him a shot and it turned out he was actually a good NBA player.Jermaine O’Neal is another guy.Portland barely played him for 4 years and then traded him to Indy for Dale Davis.In Indy, he became an All-NBA player and finished 3rd in MVP voting on year.Ben Wallace barely played for Washington, got traded to Orlando for Isaac Austin, and then ended up in Detroit where he was the best defensive C in the league and because a HoF player.

      Again, this isn’t the situation I’m talking about so that’s fine. I’m talking about helping a player improve specific, tangible flaws. If a player kicks his leg out to much on his pull-up jumper, that didn’t magically go away during a game. The player can still be productive, but he’ll be more productive in the longrun if he can improve his jumpshot now rather than later.

      Rookies make mistakes that can be corrected without playing time. If you demand a player perform in a game situation, then they’re more likely to lapse into old habits.

      This is expertise/skill-building theory. You can look it up. If you take Gladwell’s 10,000 hour theory, throw it out because it’s garbage and look at the actual science behind expertise you see these kinds of theories. They’re not uncontroversial, like most science, but deliberate practice is evidence backed.

    18. For the first time actually that I can remember it seems like our player development pipeline is basically working. There’s a good amount of interesting young talent on this team and the current regime in aggregate deserves the lion’s share of the credit for that. Allocating credit/blame between drafting and development is always basically impossible but if you compare the resources invested over the last couple years to the quality of the players, it just looks to me like something is working pretty well. Obi is maybe a bit of a disappointment relative to draft slot but the rest of their picks look solid or better and the young guys the current regime inherited have made some good strides. I’m not saying everything is being done perfectly in this area but it seems an odd nit to pick.

    19. Yeah, I saw it. It was a little mathy for me. So I asked my teenagers to explain it and they said Grimes has 100,000 more Instagram followers, making all that algebra you did superfluous.

    20. If you look at the Four Factors, this year’s team is pretty similar to last years team, with one notable difference: last year’s team had an elite defensive eFG%, and this year’s team is merely good and not elite in that category.

      Otherwise we’re very similar: 30th in pace, poor in offensive eFG%, above average rebounding on both ends, similar TOV and FT/FGA numbers on both ends.

    21. JK47:
      If you could take a magic wand and immediately bestow a 99th percentile outcome for Miles
      McBride he would not be the kind of PG the team needs. Best case scenario, he is a Marcus Smart type. The ACTUAL Marcus Smart would not be the kind of PG the team needs.

      I agree.

      I think Thibs likes McBride. The reason he’s not playing him over Burks at PG is because McBride is not a PG either. He’s another undersized combo guard. So between two non PGs, he’s choosing the more experienced and better overall player at his stage.

    22. JK47: If you could take a magic wand and immediately bestow a 99th percentile outcome for Miles
      McBride he would not be the kind of PG the team needs. Best case scenario, he is a Marcus Smart type. The ACTUAL Marcus Smart would not be the kind of PG the team needs.

      Agree with this almost completely. The problem I have is that if Deuce’s shot isn’t actually broken, he’s probably on par with our current two fake point guards, so why not get him some run and find out? If he did break his shot somehow (or the good shooting we saw early on was a mirage) then fine, keep him nailed to the bench. But otherwise let’s find out — and frankly Marcus Smart, even a minor version, has market value (or could end up the back-up PG we would want). So there’s sense in getting him some run.

      Speaking of broken — I’m going into a two-hour meeting, but is my sense that Burks’ shot is broken wrong? I feel like he’s had a whole suite of 2-8 and 2-10 games, but maybe that’s just me…

    23. For the record, I’ve been talking a lot lately about our need for a PG, but my core belief is that a team does NOT need a traditional PG to win the championship. In fact, even though it may be the easier path, I think it’s the inferior path because if a good defense stops the quarterback of a PG centric offense, the entire offense falls apart. That’s less true when you have multiple playmakers and a lot of player and ball movement as the core of your offense. That said, the reason WE need a PG is that with Randle as a primary ballhandler, the offense has no ball or play movement and too much bad late clock decision making. Everything devolves into ISO with players that are not the kind of superstars that can create efficiently like that. If Randle’s wasn’t on the team and we ran the offense through multiple players that could drive, make plays, move without the ball etc.. (RJ being one of them), I think we’d operate just fine without a traditional PG.

    24. Thibs makes them do what he wants them to do, not what they’re good at. A good coach shouldn’t ask Obi Toppin to stand in the corner and hoist 3’s, for example, or make IQ play PG.

      So young players should only do what they’re good at and not try to improve in things they aren’t good at?

      This is truly a bizarre take. If there is an area that the team needs and it’s a weakness of that young player (but they have it in their ability to maybe be good at that, why would you want the coach to only have that player do what they’re already good at?

      I mean, maybe IQ isn’t a PG. But right now the team needs a back up PG with Rose out and IQ has shown the potential to maybe be a PG. I know it pains you to see him struggle but even if it doesn’t work out for him long term at PG, working on his playmaking skills, his handle, etc…isn’t a bad thing. IQ’s shot has taken a step back but his handle and passing has improved. Since shooting was a strength of his, it’s fair to assume that can come back. But improving his handle etc….that won’t go away either. Sometimes a player will look worse whiel they work on those things.

      Obi being good in teh NBA will largely depend on him being able to hit a 3 pointer. IT sucks to watch him clank and airball, but how else is he supposed to get better at shooting 3s? Shooting them in practice only gets you so far.

    25.  I feel like he’s had a whole suite of 2-8 and 2-10 games, but maybe that’s just me…

      For a guy who likes to shoot, he’s had waaaaay too many scoreless games (probably just two, but that’s two too many).

    26. I’m not sure you understand what you’re saying, Swift. I’m saying if a guy is a 22% 3 pt shooter like Obi Toppin, it’s not effective to put him in the corner and shoot threes just because that’s what you want him to be better at. You think that is bizarre?

    27. Raven: Speaking of broken — I’m going into a two-hour meeting, but is my sense that Burks’ shot is broken wrong? I feel like he’s had a whole suite of 2-8 and 2-10 games, but maybe that’s just me…

      You are right.
      Last 12 games: FG 2.5-8.2 (.306), 3P 1.2-4.1 (.286), for only 9 pts in 29 mins.
      Looks like trying to force a player to be a PG has the side effect of breaking his shot.

    28. cybersoze: You are right.
      Last 12 games: FG 2.5-8.2 (.306), 3P 1.2-4.1 (.286), for only 9 pts in 29 mins.
      Looks like trying to force a player to be a PG has the side effect of breaking his shot.

      yeah…both him and IQ…and to a certain extent making Randle be something he’s not….

      it’s like is thib just not that good at figuring it out or is he actually maximizing what he’s got (i.e, it is just a sub 500 roster)…

    29. cybersoze: You are right.
      Last 12 games: FG 2.5-8.2 (.306), 3P 1.2-4.1 (.286), for only 9 pts in 29 mins.
      Looks like trying to force a player to be a PG has the side effect of breaking his shot.

      In general his shooting is worse as a starter but the difference when he plays PG is even starker.

      The “new” position totally changes his rhythm and shot selection, he get less chances to spot-up in the corners or pull-up after running around a screen and seems to be held back on “too quick on the clock”, i.e. semi-transition, shots because he’s the PG and “must put his offense in order”.

      Now I’m ready for his 40-points game tonight :-)

    30. Thibs hates young athletic players just ask Derrick Rose and Andrew Wiggins. He never played those guys. You can look it up.

    31. Since I’ve been one of the biggest Thibs supporters I’ll go on record saying the offense we are running kind of sucks. We should be running a modern version of the triangle/Pop offense like Kerr with the Warriors. Even Rambus could see that! :-) We’d still be mediocre because our players are mediocre, but I think we’d suck less….at least until Rose is back. :-) Is Mudiay still available? :-)

    32. The offensive structure with the weave at the top and Randle pounding nails, is ridiculous.

    33. Au contraire. The offensive scheme is extremely complicated and requires years and years of experience to master. This is why Deuce can’t play or even a young veteran like Cam.

    34. I think there’s something to be said for letting young guys do more than they are capable of doing… A couple examples I can think of of not super young players making big leaps are Gordon Hayward in Utah and Devin Booker. Before Hayward’s 4th year, Deron Williams was traded. At 23, he became the guy for a terrible Utah team after mostly playing off the ball his first 3 years. His efficiency plummeted and TOs went up, but the next year he jumped up into fringe all star tier player as he was able to bring up his efficiency and usage while cutting TOs.

      Same thing with Booker who was sorta forced into being a playmaker in his 2nd and 3rd years. He really struggled statistically, but his ability to handle the ball and make plays improved dramatically so that when Phoenix added Rubio and later Paul, Booker really shined as that secondary guy. Maybe it would have regardless. Who knows.

    35. It’s like playing up in tennis, which is almost universally thought to be a good idea.

    36. DudeInKnicksTown:
      Au contraire. The offensive scheme is extremely complicated and requires years and years of experience to master. This is why Deuce can’t play or even a young veteran like Cam.

      Wait. We have an offensive scheme?

    37. New poll for Brian, “ Do we need an Offensive Coordinator?”:

      1. Yes
      2. Most Def
      3. Absolutely
      4. Fuck yes!

    38. Max:
      New poll for Brian, “ Do we need an Offensive Coordinator?”:
      1. Yes
      2. Most Def
      3. Absolutely
      4. Fuck yes!

      I’m going with 4.

    39. Since I’ve been one of the biggest Thibs supporters I’ll go on record saying the offense we are running kind of sucks.

      you trying to get the pipe?

    40. Thibs, “Our guys all know what to do. I mean basketball is a very simple game if you just drive-and-spray-the-kick-and-ball-our-reads-to-the-right-play-our-work-way-game and then defend hard every single night.”

    41. I feel weird that circumstances have made me a Thibs defender given I was one of the people most against his hiring, but how good do people think this offense should be based on the talent?

    42. thenamestsam:
      I feel weird that circumstances have made me a Thibs defender given I was one of the people most against his hiring, but how good do people think this offense should be based on the talent?

      This is a process not results problem we have. There isn’t an offensive system out there that would turn us into GSW but there’s absolutely no reason why so many plays are “let Randle pound the ball into the floor for 20 seconds and then whatever”. There’s no reason why we can’t run pick and roll more often or have more offball movement.

    43. Lady Jowles’s favorite NBA meme, it will never die

      i tried to get my plumber to put this on his business cards and now i have a new plumber

    44. vincoug: This is a process not results problem we have.There isn’t an offensive system out there that would turn us into GSW but there’s absolutely no reason why so many plays are “let Randle pound the ball into the floor for 20 seconds and then whatever”.There’s no reason why we can’t run pick and roll more often or have more offball movement.

      I think we can probably all agree that Thibs seemingly places a low value on aesthetics when it comes to…everything, and if that’s your complaint that’s fine. It is an entertainment product after all and I would happily watch our guys run around a bit more, but yeah I have my doubts about whether it really moves the needle from a results standpoint .

    45. thenamestsam:
      I feel weird that circumstances have made me a Thibs defender given I was one of the people most against his hiring, but how good do people think this offense should be based on the talent?

      Faster.
      Don’t use 10 seconds to get in the sets or often 20 to get a shot.
      Try more often to go in transition when you get a defensive rebound.
      Watch cutters on backdoors and flashes.
      Read missmatches and try to get them the ball.
      Roll the screener more, Mitch can be a threat.
      Play more smallball against specific lineups.
      Take shots when open don’t hesitate because it’s too early.
      Try to get more baskets when the defense isn’t set.

      The lowest the talent the more you need to catch the defense offbalance, being 30th in pace doesn’t help.

      I’d rather have a turnover for a botched fastbreak than one because Randle over dribble into three defenders.

    46. Mitchell Robinson should be finishing more screen/roll possessions than almost anyone else in the NBA. That’s for starters. RJ Barrett should be initiating far more screen/roll possessions than he is now. Julius Randle should be initiating far fewer possessions of any kind than he is now. Etc. Why is Julius Randle doing anything on the offensive end other than making instinctual plays off other people’s initiations and actions? Why is he doing anything that entails reading and decision-making? He’s pretty good at the former; he’s terrible at the latter.

      (Yeah, that’s the even more infuriating thing about Randle’s turnovers — they’re on moves and plays where even if whatever he’s trying to do is “successful” it’s still pretty much meaningless, i.e., the next step isn’t really much of anything. This isn’t Magic Johnson turning it over on a risky fast break pass. (But we know that if Thibs had young Magic showboating on the break and making a turnover, he’d go apoplectic with the spit and the arms and the baritone, where’s with Randle’s meaningless, pointless forays, he’s all like whatever, that’s Julius, he’s our guy.)

    47. Max: I’d rather have a turnover for a botched fastbreak than one because Randle over dribble into three defenders.

      Exactly this plus: “I’d rather have a turnover on a botched pick and roll; I’d rather have a turnover on a botched backdoor cut; and on and on.” If repetition improves execution, why do we only repeat Randle over dribbling into three defenders. Spread the love.

      EDIT: And for sure that disparity shows up on stat charts and game film. So this is all somehow by design. Madness.

    48. ptmilo:
      Lady Jowles’s favorite NBA meme, it will never die

      i tried to get my plumber to put this on his business cards and now i have a new plumber

      It’s on my business card and I’m not a plumber

    49. ***Thibs seemingly places a low value on aesthetics when it comes to…everything***

      I’m trying to think back to the days when coaches wore suits and imagining Thibs wearing one. All I can say is I think he may be the reason they let coaches wear whatever the hell they want now.

    50. Donnie Walsh:
      ***Thibs seemingly places a low value on aesthetics when it comes to…everything***

      I’m trying to think back to the days when coaches wore suits and imagining Thibs wearing one. All I can say is I think he may be the reason they let coaches wear whatever the hell they want now.

      showtime

    51. Max: Watch cutters on backdoors and flashes.

      HAVE cutters on backdoors and flashes. Doesn’t make sense to watch for what’s never there…

    52. Raven: HAVE cutters on backdoors and flashes. Doesn’t make sense to watch for what’s never there…

      You’re right, but Obi always does that, watch him in the first 5-8 seconds before we let the defense set, he’s always cutting in the paint (or along the baseline) trying to get the ball…
      And I think Grimes and Reddish (if he’ll ever play) are apt to this too.

    53. I’m not sure any of our players are quick enough to create separation on a cut (except Obi). Slowest team in the league, and I’m not just talking about pace.

    54. Doug McDermott is slow as a turtle but he’s capable of create separation…
      I always loved his backdoor action with Kyle O’Quinn :-)

      Maybe our player aren’t “quick-smart enough” or they are less free to do it…

    55. KB Hive, would you take John Wall’s 47M for next year if the Rockets put a 1st (and maybe a 2nd) on the table?

      P.S. I don’t know how difficult it’d be to balance the outgoing payroll for trade-rules purposes.

    56. Great thread today, seems like everyone staked out reasonable positions re: playing the kids. Except for one poster, of course, who is so entrenched in his narrative that he has lost total credibility with me and I think many others. (not you, Hubert!)

      While I maintain that exchanging Obi’s and Randle’s minutes allocations would absolutely result in way more losses because I believe Randle does positive stuff and Obi does negative stuff that doesn’t wind up in the box score, I’d love to see Obi play more because he isn’t boring. Julius’s game is largely ugly and boring except when he gets up a full head of steam and guys bounce off him like they do sometimes off of LeBron. Same with all the other young guys. They are simply more exciting to watch than Julius and the mercs. But I’ll be honest with you, RJ’s game is kind of boring too.

      In any case, Thibs was hired to Thibs, and so long as he doesn’t have too much say over personnel transactions (and I don’t think he has all that much sway beyond the fringes) I can live with him playing whoever he wants however long he wants. So long as he can’t ditch young players like Zach Lavine to acquire a max vet like Butler for one year, he can do his thing. My guess is that the act will grow old and he’ll be let go or want out at some point.

    57. Max, that is a good question. After some thought, I think no. You can get better players by trading for them, by hiring them as free agents or by drafting them. Accepting Wall and draft picks for a lot of tradeable contracts makes the first two methods much harder. Since our team strategy seems to be develop our young players and trade for useful pieces when available, this would screw this strategy and not make us better for a long time.

    58. If we’re speculating why Thibs won’t play McBride it’s worth wondering if he might be concerned McBride is shooting 27% from the field. McBride has been pretty good in the G-league, he was a good college player and we’re not going anywhere so I would be fine if he played more but he has been terrible in his brief NBA career and it’s silly to ignore that and speculate about a bunch of shit we can’t know anything about.

    59. With both our centers often out and Rose out, it probably accounts for some of our dismal performances.

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