Knicks Morning News (2022.01.14)

  • New York Knicks give up first-round pick to land Cam Reddish from Hawks – silive.com
    [www.silive.com] — Friday, January 14, 2022 7:18:00 AM

    New York Knicks give up first-round pick to land Cam Reddish from Hawks  silive.com

  • Djokovic faces deportation again…Hawks, Knicks deal. | National news from the Associated Press | wrex.com – WREX-TV
    [www.wrex.com] — Friday, January 14, 2022 5:45:07 AM

    Djokovic faces deportation again…Hawks, Knicks deal. | National news from the Associated Press | wrex.com  WREX-TV

  • NBA Rumors: Cleveland Cavaliers And New York Knicks Could Target Caris LeVert – Fadeaway World
    [fadeawayworld.net] — Friday, January 14, 2022 12:58:27 AM

    NBA Rumors: Cleveland Cavaliers And New York Knicks Could Target Caris LeVert  Fadeaway World

  • The New York Knicks Have Announced Their Big Trade – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Friday, January 14, 2022 12:46:41 AM

    The New York Knicks Have Announced Their Big Trade  Sports IllustratedKnicks Acquire Cam Reddish  Knicks.comGrading the Atlanta Hawks trading Cam Reddish to the New York Knicks  Soaring Down SouthAtlanta Hawks trade Cam Reddish to New York Knicks for Kevin Knox, first-round pick  ESPNNew York Knicks Shoot For Upside In Cam Reddish Trade  ForbesView Full Coverage on Google News

  • Knicks make big moves as they push for the playoffs – News 12 Bronx
    [bronx.news12.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 11:07:14 PM

    Knicks make big moves as they push for the playoffs  News 12 Bronx

  • The New York Knicks Have Announced Their Big Trade – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 10:11:34 PM

    The New York Knicks Have Announced Their Big Trade  Sports IllustratedKnicks Acquire Cam Reddish  Knicks.comKnicks’ trade for Cam Reddish was a low-risk, high-reward move, but keeping him long-term will be tougher call  CBS SportsKnicks trade for Cam Reddish in deal that sends Kevin Knox to Hawks  New York Post Grading the Atlanta Hawks trading Cam Reddish to the New York Knicks  Soaring Down SouthView Full Coverage on Google News

  • CAM REDDISH TRADED TO THE NEW YORK KNICKS FOR FIRST ROUND PICK AND KEVIN KNOX – Oakland News Now
    [oaklandnewsnow.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 9:52:17 PM

    CAM REDDISH TRADED TO THE NEW YORK KNICKS FOR FIRST ROUND PICK AND KEVIN KNOX  Oakland News Now

  • Knicks starting to establish real home-court advantage – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 9:24:00 PM

    Knicks starting to establish real home-court advantage  New York Post Knicks’ Biggest Needs at 2022 NBA Trade Deadline  Bleacher ReportWhat the Knicks need to be a legit contender this season  Empire Sports MediaThe One Blockbuster Trade The New York Knicks Must Pursue  NBA Analysis NetworkNY Knicks: Trading for one of these stretch-5s would add a scoring punch  Daily KnicksView Full Coverage on Google News

  • Ben Simmons to the New York Knicks: 3 reasons it would make perfect sense – Sportsnaut
    [sportsnaut.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 8:30:00 PM

    Ben Simmons to the New York Knicks: 3 reasons it would make perfect sense  Sportsnaut

  • Knicks announce Cam Reddish trade – Hoops Hype
    [hoopshype.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 8:05:27 PM

    Knicks announce Cam Reddish trade  Hoops Hype

  • Mitchell Robinson’s improved conditioning sparking Knicks’ midseason turnaround – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 6:26:15 PM

    Mitchell Robinson’s improved conditioning sparking Knicks’ midseason turnaround  New York Post

  • Chris Herring on the ’90s Knicks, Current Knicks, and the Chicago Bulls – The Ringer
    [www.theringer.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 5:16:47 PM

    Chris Herring on the ’90s Knicks, Current Knicks, and the Chicago Bulls  The Ringer

  • New York Knicks acquire Cam Reddish from Atlanta Hawks for Kevin Knox – NBC Sports
    [www.nbcsports.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 5:03:11 PM

    New York Knicks acquire Cam Reddish from Atlanta Hawks for Kevin Knox  NBC Sports

  • Knicks, Cavs, and Mavs all potential Dennis Schr?der landing spots – Celtics Blog
    [www.celticsblog.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 3:17:49 PM

    Knicks, Cavs, and Mavs all potential Dennis Schr?der landing spots  Celtics Blog

  • THE SHOTGUN THROWDOWN: Deuce McBride scores 39 points for the Knicks – The Smoking Musket
    [www.smokingmusket.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:40:09 PM

    THE SHOTGUN THROWDOWN: Deuce McBride scores 39 points for the Knicks  The Smoking Musket

  • NBA trade grades: Who wins the New York Knicks-Atlanta Hawks deal for Cam Reddish? – ESPN
    [africa.espn.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 1:54:06 PM

    NBA trade grades: Who wins the New York Knicks-Atlanta Hawks deal for Cam Reddish?  ESPN

  • Cam Reddish Traded To New York Knicks – SportsGrid
    [www.sportsgrid.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 12:38:14 PM

    Cam Reddish Traded To New York Knicks  SportsGrid

  • Hawks trade Cam Reddish to Knicks for 2022 first-round pick – Your Valley
    [yourvalley.net] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 12:14:01 PM

    Hawks trade Cam Reddish to Knicks for 2022 first-round pick  Your Valley

  • New York Knicks acquire Cam Reddish, Solomon Hill in trade with Atlanta Hawks, report says – Utica Observer Dispatch
    [www.uticaod.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 11:52:51 AM

    New York Knicks acquire Cam Reddish, Solomon Hill in trade with Atlanta Hawks, report says  Utica Observer Dispatch

  • The New York Knicks and Squarespace Announce Fifth Annual “Make It Awards” Highlighting Local Businesses – Valdosta Daily Times
    [www.valdostadailytimes.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 10:02:40 AM

    The New York Knicks and Squarespace Announce Fifth Annual “Make It Awards” Highlighting Local Businesses  Valdosta Daily Times

  • The New York Knicks and Squarespace Announce Fifth Annual “Make It Awards” Highlighting Local Businesses – Yahoo Finance
    [finance.yahoo.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 10:00:00 AM

    The New York Knicks and Squarespace Announce Fifth Annual “Make It Awards” Highlighting Local Businesses  Yahoo Finance

  • Knicks’ Evan Fournier has started the new year on a tear – Empire Sports Media
    [empiresportsmedia.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 9:44:53 AM

    Knicks’ Evan Fournier has started the new year on a tear  Empire Sports Media

  • Division Rankings: Knicks Go in familiar spot to start 2022 – Horse Racing Nation
    [www.horseracingnation.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 8:54:00 AM

    Division Rankings: Knicks Go in familiar spot to start 2022  Horse Racing Nation

  • Knicks’ midterm report card: Who’s up? Who’s down? Who needs help? – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Thursday, January 13, 2022 8:20:00 AM

    Knicks’ midterm report card: Who’s up? Who’s down? Who needs help?  New York Post

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    106 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2022.01.14)”

    1. Saved this for the new thread: Ben Ritholtz video breakdown thread of the highs and lows of Cam’s game. Gets more into the specifics of what he does very well and what he needs to stop freaking doing already.

      The most likely outcome is that this is Anthony Randolph redux: a guy with million dollar talent and a 10 cent head. And if one of the reasons he wanted out of Atlanta was because he wanted the ball more, I don’t see how he’s a great fit with either our starters (with two high-usage players in Randle and RJ) or the bench (where the egalitarian ball movement makes them special). But the dude’s ours now, so may as well hope for the best, right?

    2. Alan: Saved this for the new thread: Ben Ritholtz video breakdown thread of the highs and lows of Cam’s game. Gets more into the specifics of what he does very well and what he needs to stop freaking doing already.

      Thanx, Alan. If Cam puts up a lot of the plays #15 and #16 on the video, Thibs will lose the rest of his hair pretty quickly.

    3. @BobbyMarks42
      Added details on the Cam Reddish trade to New York

      Atlanta sent New York $834,589. The cash sent is reflective of what is owed to Solomon Hill.

      New York created a small $1.17M trade exception.

      Hard to imagine that exception being useful for anything, but at least worth noting here.

    4. Tommy Beer with some new Rokas highlights — including a British play by play man pronouncing his name as “Yolk-uh-bite-us,” which I assume is correct — along with this:

      It’s been a spectacular month thus far for Knicks’ 2nd-rd pick Rokas Jokubaitis.

      Last week, in the Euroleague’s annual mid-season GM survey, he was named the favorite to win the Rising Star award.

      Yesterday, Jokubaitis led Barca to a big win over Efes w/ a game-high 16 points

    5. Thanks for the Reddish highlights (and lowlights), Alan. Based on those, I’m not too excited to see that guy demanding the ball from our other players.

    6. including a British play by play man pronouncing his name as “Yolk-uh-bite-us,” which I assume is correct

      Mmmmm… no :-)

      Now my question is, how did you (collective “you”) pronounce his name until today?

    7. Alan: The most likely outcome is that this is Anthony Randolph redux: a guy with million dollar talent and a 10 cent head.

      I think Ant-Rand comp is correct. Has all the physical tools and then steps onto the court and starts taking terrible midrange jumpers.

      Alan: Atlanta sent New York $834,589. The cash sent is reflective of what is owed to Solomon Hill.

      I find it interesting that the Knicks have made 2 moves in which they acquire cash. It makes sense here to cover the injured Hill, but you often don’t hear about this happening.


      Here’s another thread of Cam analysis. It features a number of the same clips.

      Thibs is gonna skewer this kid. Hopefully that gets Cam on the right track.

    8. Max: Now my question is, how did you (collective “you”) pronounce his name until today?

      Easy… it’s even music to our ears… ROCK US !! ;)

    9. Early Bird:

      Thibs is gonna skewer this kid. Hopefully that gets Cam on the right track.

      I would imagine that RJ has prepared Cam for what to expect. Be interesting to see how Cam responds.

    10. Jokubaitis is looking like really good value. He’d easily be a 1st round pick this year, and probably be pushing for a lottery selection.

      We were able to grab a 1st rd talent out of nothing. Literally getting Deuce and Rokas for a pick that would’ve been Deuce anyways.

      I’ve been pronouncing the ‘J’ as a ‘J, even though I know Jokic for instance sounds more like a ‘y’. Admittedly, I have no idea how phonetically similar Serbian & Lithuanian are, or if they’re even related.

    11. Early Bird: I’ve been pronouncing the ‘J’ as a ‘J, even though I know Jokic for instance sounds more like a ‘y’. Admittedly, I have no idea how phonetically similar Serbian & Lithuanian are, or if they’re even related.

      BB-Ref.com has it correctly:
      Rokas Jokubaitis ( Pronunciation: \rock-uss yo-coo-By-tiss\ )

    12. Early Bird: Thibs is gonna skewer this kid.

      The trade puzzles me. At Cam’s current level (lower end rotation player) it is hard to come up with a more anti-Thibs type. And the value exchange was fair so it wasn’t a bargain. Hopefully they see or know something that isn’t evident to the casual observer. Perhaps it was made to give the Garden boo-birds another target, taking the pressure off Julius.

    13. Jowles – do you ever feel honored that the simulation we are living in is centered around making you crazy? Literally it seems like every single player you hated the most has ended up on the Knicks. Melo, Mudiay, DSJ, Bargnani, now Reddish. I feel like we had entire threads dedicated to your hate of Reddish back before that draft…

      I’ll put it this way — I’ve had two gorgeous, intelligent, educated, fun, funny and unpretentious women fall in love with me at the same time, who then met and fell in love with each other too, and now are estranged from and resent each other for it. Yes, Frank, the simulation fucking hates me, and I get to be a fucking Knicks fan in the 21st century as the cherry on top.

    14. Early Bird: Alan: The most likely outcome is that this is Anthony Randolph redux: a guy with million dollar talent and a 10 cent head.

      Anthony Randolph was limited by terrible defensive instincts and a complete inability to play with his off hand. Cam is far more polished in terms of fundamental skills. The IQ and attitude may be similar, but not the players.

    15. Early Bird: Jokubaitis is looking like really good value. He’d easily be a 1st round pick this year, and probably be pushing for a lottery selection.
      We were able to grab a 1st rd talent out of nothing. Literally getting Deuce and Rokas for a pick that would’ve been Deuce anyways.

      If he waited a year, he’d be a lottery pick, with the way he is playing.

    16. Alan: Hard to imagine that exception being useful for anything, but at least worth noting here.

      I came here to post the exact same news and to give the exact opposite opinion.
      The trade exception can be enormously valuable. That gives the Knicks the ability to go over the cap when they are capped. It can be the difference in signing a valuable role player during free agency or not.

    17. I’ll put it this way — I’ve had two gorgeous, intelligent, educated, fun, funny and unpretentious women fall in love with me at the same time, who then met and fell in love with each other too, and now are estranged from and resent each other for it.

      probably latent chauvinism on my part but i had assumed z-man and djphan were male

    18. Berman from the Post made a similar point that I made right after the Reddish trade broke. Having Reddish opens the door to using one of other our wings in another deal without losing a rotation player. Burkes for example is someone that some teams might be interested in.

      The more I think about this deal the more I like it.

      Reddish is going to have to prove to be a clear rotation guy for us to have made the right move (which I think he will) because most of the time you are going to get a rotation player or bust out the 19th pick. I think we are getting a better player than we were likely to get out of the draft and a higher probability of an all star or close to all star star player emerging.

    19. Cam would probably enjoy a “revenge game” against his former team. Let him play tonight, Thibs.

    20. ptmilo:
      I’ll put it this way — I’ve had two gorgeous, intelligent, educated, fun, funny and unpretentious women fall in love with me at the same time, who then met and fell in love with each other too, and now are estranged from and resent each other for it.

      probably latent chauvinism on my part but i had assumed z-man and djphan were male

      Hahaha.

    21. Yeah, Rokas would have been a surefire first rounder in this draft, he’s improving by leaps and bounds.
      I’ve was already in love with his court vision but he’s a better, or at least more active, defender than advertised too.

    22. ptmilo: probably latent chauvinism on my part but i had assumed z-man and djphan were male

      gender identity is a performance

    23. GoNyGoNYGo: It can be the difference in signing a valuable role player during free agency or not.

      We can’t use the exception to sign a player, only acquire a player via trade.

      It might have some value if another team is looking to dump salary to get under the tax.

      We still have an open roster spot from cutting Wayne Selden (and now Hill). So maybe the FI can come with something clever, but a lot of the time the exceptions are more formality than offering utility.

    24. The most likely outcome is that this is Anthony Randolph redux: a guy with million dollar talent and a 10 cent head.

      I had the same exact thought when I was thinking of possible downsides to his development.

      Randolph is one the guys I was wrong about. Randolph ultimately had a motor, work ethic, attitude, and basketball IQ problem to go along with his talent. People didn’t particularly like him either. I don’t know if it’s true, but I also heard that he was a huge pothead. We’ll see if Cam has similar issues because if anyone is going to find out quickly it will be Thibs.

    25. Thanks for the Jokubaitis clips (I’m might just start calling him Yoko).

      Another lefty? LOL. I love how he uses his body to protect the ball and get to the hoop when driving in the paint.
      However, looking at his numbers, he’s got room to grow:
      14 G, 17.3 mp, 8.5 pts, 2.1 ast, 1.6 trb, 0.3 stl, FG% .548, .318 3P%, FT% .667
      Jokubatis International Stats

    26. I saw that Westbrook has gone full “being in LA isn’t all about basketball,” and obviously he’s picking up his player option next year. Haha, enjoy that one, Lakers fans. Here’s a question: is he out of the league after next season? Do you think he’ll leave LA for a vet’s minimum? And who is going to offer him a contract to tell him he’s going to come off the bench, but still dominate the ball (since he can’t shoot to save his life)?

    27. By trading Knox for Cam it seems like we traded one low IQ, low energy bball player who has better athletic skills and a higher upside than Knox.

      I know the concern is that he’ll take someone’s spot in the rotation but I don’t see that happening. Thibs has to trust young players. And yeah, Cam was a top level HS prospect and played at Duke with RJ, but he was drafted lower and hasn’t exactly wowed the NBA yet. I think he will have to earn a spot in the rotation. I overall like this move because if he does put it together, we just added another young player to our young core. His size and theoretical skill set is intriguing. Maybe Thibs can light a fire under him and RJ can help show him the way?

    28. “I’ll put it this way — I’ve had two gorgeous, intelligent, educated, fun, funny and unpretentious women fall in love with me at the same time, who then met and fell in love with each other too, and now are estranged from and resent each other for it.”

      Alan, could we get this show greenlight please?

    29. Missed James Harden and an incredibly random assortment of getting run out of the gym by the Thunder last night. It’s going to be weird if the Bulls or the Heat win the east-either one would probably be a significant underdog against at least two other teams in the conference.

    30. Owen: Alan, could we get this show greenlight please?

      Part Lifetime movie, part Onlyfans subscription.

      Ptmilo has yet to have a season with a TS% under 1.000

      it’s absurd

    31. Clearly Reddish has a basketball IQ problem. He seems to be the kind of player who is antithetical to winning: he’s not good, and he wants the ball more anyway. The Anthony Randolph comparisons don’t make me feel very good about this trade.

      I think this has a very low likelihood of panning out. We have to get Cam Reddish, who sees himself as an elite player, to humble himself, play a team brand of basketball, and accept a more secondary kind of role? I dunno man. Good luck with all that.

    32. The Honorable Cock Jowles: gender identity is a performance

      That’s an interesting one because to “perform” male, there would logically have to be some kind of objective male or male traits that the performer and the audience have in mind. What’s the source of those males or male traits? (The obvious answer here would be “the culture,” but our culture has a wide range of male “types.” Are we talking John Wayne? Woody Allen? Liberace?)

    33. JK47:
      Clearly Reddish has a basketball IQ problem. He seems to be the kind of player who is antithetical to winning: he’s not good, and he wants the ball more anyway. The Anthony Randolph comparisons don’t make me feel very good about this trade.

      I think this has a very low likelihood of panning out. We have to get Cam Reddish, who sees himself as an elite player, to humble himself, play a team brand of basketball, and accept a more secondary kind of role? I dunno man. Good luck with all that.

      I think the idea is more to steer him toward his performance matching up with his self-impression, not to humble him into something else. We want him to think of himself as the cat’s ass, not some milquetoast jabronie.

    34. E, all merc’d out: That’s an interesting one because to “perform” male, there would logically have to be some kind of objective male or male traits that the performer and the audience have in mind. What’s the source of those males or male traits? (The obvious answer here would be “the culture,” but our culture has a wide range of male “types.” Are we talking John Wayne? Woody Allen? Liberace?)

      rewrite this one, but funnier and with an ear for just how little substance I tried to inject into my response to ptmilo’s quip

    35. The thing about Anthony Randolph was that he had all the stat heads fooled. The regulars here had a street party when he came over in the Lee trade. He had some gaudy per/36 numbers, but he was playing in the pacific time zone on a team without a national audience, so he was un-eye-tested. Turned out, after 20 minutes of watching him try to play basketball in NY, it was clear he’d be headed to Europe shortly, rate stats and combine numbers be damned. (Though, I guess that Strat, by his own admission here, probably excused him for being young, playing out of position, and getting coached down to)

    36. Hey Strat, have you heard of Tom Bukovic, or checked out his YouTube channel? He’s a Nashville session guy and he’s an incredible player, and he makes these YouTube vids of himself sitting in his garage, noodling around, and dispensing sage session guy wisdom. I think you might like this guy’s vibe. I think he’s great.

      https://youtu.be/gEE8btVwOdQ

    37. swiftandabundant: we just added another young player to our young core

      Tommy Beer:
      Current Knicks aged 23 or younger:
      RJ Barrett (21)
      Quentin Grimes (21)
      Deuce McBride (21)
      Rokas Jokubaitis (21)
      Immanuel Quickley (22)
      Cam Reddish (22)
      Luka Samanic (22)
      Jericho Sims(23)
      Obi Toppin (23)
      Micthell Robinson (23)

    38. Donnie Walsh:
      (Though, I guess that Strat, by his own admission here, probably excused him for being young, playing out of position, and getting coached down to)

      I was foolish enough back then to look at his stats and trust them without having seen him play enough (beyond that great summer league and a few games in the pros) to fully assess the entire package.

      I haven’t seen enough of Reddish to know what he is or can become either.

      I just know he’s had an injury filled career in college and the pros. So I think it’s likely his development has been stifled a bit. I’m not looking at his stats statically. I think it’s likely he’s at least a little bit better than he looks on stats and also behind the development curve of the typical player his age. I also think those late teens picks don’t have as much value as the consensus here. So I think this is a good deal.

    39. Anytime I hear Anthony Randolphs name I just remember how much unwarranted hype Kelenna Azubuike got that one year.

    40. JK47:
      Hey Strat, have you heard of Tom Bukovic, or checked out his YouTube channel? He’s a Nashville session guy and he’s an incredible player, and he makes these YouTube vids of himself sitting in his garage, noodling around, and dispensing sage session guy wisdom. I think you might like this guy’s vibe. I think he’s great.

      https://youtu.be/gEE8btVwOdQ

      That’s right up my alley, but I’ll have to slow down the videos to steal anything. :-)

      I made “some” progress this year. I’m still not any good, but I’m not any good with broader knowledge, more licks, and slightly better skills. Every once in awhile I’ll have 10-15 minutes of “zone play” where I feel encouraged that I could be OK some day, but then it disappears. It’s kind of like one of those Frank games where you get encouraged and then he goes back into a coma . :-)

    41. I just remember how much unwarranted hype Kelenna Azubuike got that one year.

      I was on the Azubuike train so hard, LOL.

      To be fair, if he had recovered from his injury, he had been a pretty decent player before he got hurt.

    42. Pretty sure Azubuike had a career ending injury. He tried working back from it, but as described it ended his career.

    43. Azubuike is the color analyst for the Warriors now. He’s quite entertaining (though, like most good entertainers, he seems to have gotten himself in some trouble for not playing it safe while on air).

    44. “rewrite this one, but funnier and with an ear for just how little substance I tried to inject into my response to ptmilo’s quip”

      I know it was trolling, but I couldn’t help being amused that E answered his own question without a clue that he did. There’s no platonic ideal, dude. In fact when I was younger I associated with Woody Allen, mainly due to doing poorly with the opposite sex, despite not being short, funny, very Jewish, or an incestuous pedophile.

    45. @GJoyce9
      Tom Thibodeau said Cam Reddish will be out “for a while” with his ankle sprain, but declined to give a timetable.

      “It gives us an opportunity to look at Cam. … Size, athleticism, wing position. Sometimes a change of scenery is good for people. So we’ll see how it unfolds.”

      If nothing else, this gives Grimes more time to cement his place in the rotation and force Leon to consider trading someone else (Burks or Fournier) if/when Reddish is deemed ready to get minutes from Thibs.

    46. cybersoze: Tommy Beer:
      Current Knicks aged 23 or younger:
      RJ Barrett (21)
      Quentin Grimes (21)
      Deuce McBride (21)
      Rokas Jokubaitis (21)
      Immanuel Quickley (22)
      Cam Reddish (22)
      Luka Samanic (22)
      Jericho Sims(23)
      Obi Toppin (23)
      Micthell Robinson (23)

        

      In some alternative universe where one-and-dones are not permitted, this is a pretty impressive college team…

    47. From a FO perspective I think this trade probably signals a Burks or Obi trade to make minutes for Reddish. I dont see them or Thibs being down on Grimes and Barett/Fournier are probably safe for now I think. I’d probably guess Obi since hes never going to get suitable minutes with Randle on the team.

    48. Raven:
      “rewrite this one, but funnier and with an ear for just how little substance I tried to inject into my response to ptmilo’s quip”

      I know it was trolling, but I couldn’t help being amused that E answered his own question without a clue that he did. There’s no platonic ideal, dude. In fact when I was younger I associated with Woody Allen, mainly due to doing poorly with the opposite sex, despite not being short, funny, very Jewish, or an incestuous pedophile.

      Right, but none of those things are “male,” much less only male. There really aren’t any such traits, other than the physical ones everyone wants to ignore, so it’s something of a logical fail.

      On the basketball front, it would be shocking if the Reddish trade wasn’t the precursor to more moves.

    49. This front office clearly does not value mid-late 1RPs all that much, so I wouldn’t necessarily think that they think very highly of Reddish to the point where they are going to trade other guys to accommodate him. I think they’re taking a flyer, and if he doesn’t pan out, whatever, that pick wasn’t worth much anyway.

      I don’t agree with this line of thinking, but I do think that’s what they’re thinking.

    50. I found this thread pretty enlightening as to why eye-test types are so high on Reddish. To use a cliche I tend to hate, he really does have a lot of tools you can’t teach. The problem seems to be…all of the teachable stuff.

      It was kind of nice to hear both that the Hawks asked for Grimes and that we said no. Speaks to him developing some value and to our front office not being willing to overpay too badly for Reddish.

      Overall, I wouldn’t have made the trade but I am kind of excited to see how it pans out. We weren’t doing anything terribly interesting thus far anyway, so hoping a former high pedigree guy who at least looks to have upside can get it together isn’t the worst fate even if I personally think it’s pretty unlikely.

      Side note: Mitchell Robinson has been arguably our best player since Christmas, a time span in which we’ve gone 7-3 and have had the number one defensive rating in the NBA per cleaning the glass. I’m not saying we should keep him at all costs, but we can safely dispense with the notion that we can replace him with Nerlens Noel and not lose anything.

    51. Tommy Beer:
      Current Knicks aged 23 or younger:
      RJ Barrett (21)
      Quentin Grimes (21)
      Deuce McBride (21)
      Rokas Jokubaitis (21)
      Immanuel Quickley (22)
      Cam Reddish (22)
      Luka Samanic (22)
      Jericho Sims(23)
      Obi Toppin (23)
      Mitchell Robinson (23)

      That’s not too shabby.

      We know we need a long term solution at PG and a #1 option (the hardest thing to get), but we have a lot of assets and upside.

    52. Katz notes that the trade of Knox continues the Charlie Ward Curse through 2018. Next up, RJ Barrett.

    53. I don’t know, I think the numbers speak pretty well to who Reddish is at this point. I’m not particularly mad about the move, but I would’ve preferred what is now the #20 pick in a decent draft. We could’ve had TyTy Washington, Johnny Davis, EJ LIidell, or some other hardworking, quality player who actually has put up above-average numbers at SOME level. Reddish has not done that.

      It’s terribly annoying how the FO/coach combo feels it’s sort of “above” rookies and that they should be avoided like the plague. It’s not like we’re one veteran piece away from a championship. But hey, maybe Reddish turns it around in NY. We’ll see.

    54. It’s terribly annoying how the FO/coach combo feels it’s sort of “above” rookies and that they should be avoided like the plague.

      And yet Quickley was a rotation player — and a valued one — for nearly all of his rookie season, Grimes has gotten run even when all of our vet wings were healthy, and the FO drafted four rookies this year after two last year. Thibs will absolutely have a shorter leash with rookies, though it seems to have paid off with Obi’s development. (He struggles to get playing time now just because he and Randle play the same position.)

    55. It’s terribly annoying how the FO/coach combo feels it’s sort of “above” rookies and that they should be avoided like the plague.

      IQ got minutes from game one of his rookie year and has gotten more and more minutes as he has gotten better and better. Obi also got minutes as a rookie from game one and has gotten more minutes as he has gotten better.

      Grimes is literally in the rotation right now.

      IQ and Grimes were both late first round picks and yet both play every game and IQ even starts sometimes. Obi is behind Randle but gets consistent minutes.

      I don’t know where this idea comes from that we don’t value rookies. It just isn’t true.

    56. I don’t know where this idea comes from that we don’t value rookies.

      “Sometimes the fans call for the backup quarterback and then change their minds when they actually see him play.”

    57. “Sometimes the fans call for the backup quarterback and then change their minds when they actually see him play.”

      That comment from Thibs is so silly it doesn’t seem real … but unfortunately it is.

      I think Thibs’ and FO’s stance on rookies/young players is different.

      And in two years the FO did pick three rotation players, two bench players “useful in spots” and a future NBA player (with the Knicks or elsewhere) … not bad

    58. And in two years the FO did pick three rotation players, two bench players “useful in spots” and a future NBA player (with the Knicks or elsewhere) … not bad

      P.S. I refer to how the players are used by our coach, not to what I would have done with them.

    59. A lot of our young players don’t play as much as they should. They’re not “avoided like the plague”, but they’re underutilized, and the only reason seems to be their experience.

    60. E, all merc’d out: “Sometimes the fans call for the backup quarterback and then change their minds when they actually see him play.”

      I’m surprised this quote bothered so many people- I thought it was pretty clear it had nothing to do with Obi or young players in general but was rather his way of saying fans don’t know shit.

    61. They’re grudgingly played, their mistakes are interpreted differently than veterans’, and all ambiguities are resolved so as to disfavor them. They’re often taken out early, which has the effect — intended or not — of not giving them a chance to fix their stat lines … and then the stat lines are held against them. That dynamic happened with Quickley dozens of times last year, and not just with Thibs, but with resident KB sycophants (*) — and now we find that when he’s given the chance to play fourth quarters, IQ does it very well.(**)

      (*) “He was 1 for 3 with a turnover in 5 minutes, and had a bad switch once on defense … whysoever would Thibs play him after that!?!?!?!?”

      (**) He’s no Elfrid Payton in that regard, of course — but then again, who is?

    62. The Knicks are 15th in defensive rating, but they’re essentially tied with Philly and New Jersey, and are only slightly behind Utah (!) and Denver. Minnesota (!) is also just very slightly ahead of the Knicks.

      Maybe some of this is because we’re playing against scrubby Covid-depleted rosters, but the Knicks are very close to having a top 10 defense in the NBA right now. Which seems weird, but then you look at the numbers and you see that the Knicks are #7 in defensive eFG% and around league average in defensive rebounding and FT/FGA.

      Plus they’re trending in the right direction defensively, we were down in the 20s for much of the season. Team Optimist, this post is for you. This might actually be a pretty decent defensive team, especially with Mitch now in better shape and playing well.

    63. cybersoze:
      And the Invisible 6th Man is back. From 3P land, Dallas shot 21.6% and Spurs 27.6%.

      We need to sign him for the rest of the year before his 10-day contract expires…

    64. They’re grudgingly played, their mistakes are interpreted differently than veterans’, and all ambiguities are resolved so as to disfavor them. They’re often taken out early, which has the effect — intended or not — of not giving them a chance to fix their stat lines … and then the stat lines are held against them.

      In other words, you don’t agree with the way the coaches are developing these players despite the fact that IQ, Obi, RJ and Mitch have all trended upward during their time under Thibs.

      Most of this stems from Elf and Randle. But serious question. Did Elf make a lot of mistakes last year or did he just miss shots? And as Thibs really supposed to give Obi tons of minutes for most of last season when he absolutely sucked and Randle was putting together an all-NBA season? Obi didn’t look good at all until the last third of the season.

    65. E, all merc’d out: “Sometimes the fans call for the backup quarterback and then change their minds when they actually see him play.”

      I’m surprised this quote bothered so many people- I thought it was pretty clear it had nothing to do with Obi or young players in general but was rather his way of saying fans don’t know shit.

      Fans who have an anti-Thibs/anti-Randle agenda were making something out of this quote that meant nothing.

    66. swiftandabundant: Did Elf make a lot of mistakes last year or did he just miss shots?

      He sucked and Quickley was and is clearly a better player and it was clear that Quickley was a better player by at the latest at the end of the exhibition season. But Thibs was so stubbornly devoted to Elf, and stubbornly against any “risk” rookies would pose, that he started Payton in two playoff games and the start in Game One almost certainly cost the Knicks the game. The guy was literally unplayable in the playoffs … yet he played. The fans didn’t make that decision.(*)

      Why is that bullshit being defended?

      (*) And IQ of course was electric in that second quarter of Game 1 and obviously up for the moment and Thibs played him all of … 21 minutes. Can’t have him doing those … things … rookies do.

    67. that he started Payton in two playoff games and the start in Game One almost certainly cost the Knicks the game.

      We lost game one by like one point. Elf started game two, which we won. Elf didn’t play in the last 3 games and we lost all of them.

      I’m not saying Elf not playing was why we lost. But you act like it’s so easy to just completely change the rotation of a team in a playoff series without fucking up the mojo that worked well for the team all season. Rose starting meant Rose wasn’t coming off the bench, which took away a major strength of our team last year.

      And IQ wasn’t great to start last season. That is revisionist history. He made lots of mistakes.

      When you start a new job, after 3 months do you barge into your manager’s office and demand a promotion and huge raise because you’ve shown promise?

      IQ got minutes as the 25th pick right out of the gate. That actually doesn’t happen on most teams. As he got better, he got more minutes. This year was he supposed to start over Kemba and Derrick Rose?

      IQ was really good as a rookie but he also WASN’T A POINT GUARD.

      IQ is doing great for us and maybe him being brought along slower than you would like is why that is happening?

      I just don’t see the problem here.

    68. swiftandabundant: When you start a new job, after 3 months do you barge into your manager’s office and demand a promotion and huge raise because you’ve shown promise?

      If I found out the Elfrid Payton of the organization got a big promotion and huge raise, I absolutely would.

    69. @KnickFilmSkool
      Thibs said “we’ll see” 6 times to questions re: Cam Reddish & the rotation.

      “Right now…Kemba & Derrick out. When they come back….more than likely taking somebody out – & that’s before you even think about adding anyone else….No one’s playing 10, 11, 12 guys, that’s for sure”

      Video of the answer from today’s media availability.

    70. I’ve promised myself to not get into anymore gender related discussions because my thesis is about to burn my brain on the matter.

      I do hope Reddish gets a chance to play, as much as I don’t think he’s good right now. We should still be placing development as a priority and there’s relatively little time between now and when we would have to make a decision on a possible extension, so we need to know what we have in him and if there’s any chance for notable improvements.

    71. But since I have a little bit of time now, the more accurate proposition would be that gender is a performative act, meaning that it is a discursive practice that, as Butler said, produces or enacts that which it names. So a male performance is not necessarily the enactment of a certain set of standards pre-defined as “male”, but a practice that simultaneously follows a set of relatively loose guidelines and creates / reinforces them. That can only happen because any and all gender performance acts are enacted in a collective, a society, which means they’re always a complex negotiation between autopoiesis, the ability to create or produce oneself, and subjugation, which comes from the dangers of being different and the constant possibility of oppression when a certain performance doesn’t meet societal standards.

      So to answer E’s remarks, no, there isn’t some sort of objective standard that necessarily defines a set of gender performative acts, but there are general guidelines which can be followed or contested to a certain extent, which also depends on an individuals own capability to navigate those guidelines (an example is that white, cisgendered males get much, much more leeway on how they navigate those standards when compared to black males, for example).

    72. I think we have two solid Post of the Year candidates in this one thread, from ptmilo and Bruno.

    73. Thanks guys, well, it is what I’ve studied for the past seemingly unending 5 years of my life, so I’m happy to share whatever may be of interest.

    74. …and now I’m pondering nominating “Just a Bush” for this year’s best new name on the site.

    75. With the rumblings about the Jazz underachieving I wonder how long until they look to break up that team

    76. Odd tidbit just stumbled upon:

      In fact, some of Randle’s worst numbers are from when a defender is nowhere near him. He’s shooting only 26.6 percent on shots when a defender is at least six feet away from him, according to the N.B.A.’s tracking numbers. That number was at 44.4 percent last year at right around the same amount of shots per game.

    77. Raven:
      Odd tidbit just stumbled upon:

      In fact, some of Randle’s worst numbers are from when a defender is nowhere near him. He’s shooting only 26.6 percent on shots when a defender is at least six feet away from him, according to the N.B.A.’s tracking numbers. That number was at 44.4 percent last year at right around the same amount of shots per game.

      that’s because on his patented fadeaway…by the time he releases the ball he is approx 6 and a half feet from the nearest defender…

    78. The Jazz are scuffling because Rudy is their whole defense, but they’re outscoring teams by 7 points a game as a whole. If they are going to break it up they’d be really stupid to do it this season-they’re a legit title contender.

    79. Nice post Bruno. I have to say, I am constantly amazed how people who grew up overseas write so fluently in English here.

    80. Oh, you’re so humble, George W. :P

      Okay then my portuguese compadre – everybody’s funny, now you’re funny too :)

      I love you Soze!!!

      Thanks for that link JK, it’s been what’s playing in the background for me this whole afternoon. It almost seems like it’s happening so fast it would seem impossible for him to be “in the moment” and actually doing what he’s doing. It sounds so free flowing.

    81. I may have exaggerated a bit about the team not liking/wanting rookies and was mostly referring to the 19th pick incineration from the last draft and how we didn’t want to carry “too many rookies” because the Knicks were such a deep, “winning” team, which is, of course, stupid.

      That said, we did end up with rookies that Thibs clearly likes and will play a bit. But I still don’t like not adding an extra first-round rookie who could have had more value than the Charlotte pick did. But small potatoes, I guess.

    82. Joe— I’ve entered the 21st century enough to experience my first podcast, woohoo! I’ve enjoyed listening to the Pink Floyd episodes (a band that I, strangely, don’t know very well at all outside of The Wall and their various radio singles). Great stuff you guys do, and I look forward to hitting the Sly retrospective next. (Unfortunately, though, I don’t really appreciate the 4th wall being broken here on KB, because now I read your posts in your actual voice, instead of the voice of a guy I know who lives here in LA that went to Syracuse in the 90s, and has a first name that starts with J, who I used to suspect may be JK47 until I learned you were a musician:)

    83. Jowles looks like he could use a nice white box of macaroons.

      That’s more like it

    84. Owen:
      Nice post Bruno. I have to say, I am constantly amazed how people who grew up overseas write so fluently in English here.

      Thanks Owen, that means a lot. Honestly I’d say I’m more fluent in “academics” english than in normal conversation stuff, just reading a lot of books for my thesis and writing abstracts means I know a lot of fancy words and lingo but the basics still screw me up every so often.

      The Bulls are getting blown the hell out again, not a good look against two contenders.

    85. Garland, looking like Ja out there (and not just the hair style).

      Oop to Allen was huge (and Markkanen dunk was awesome too)

      (Whoever it was here who said they wouldn’t trade rosters with Cavs really hates being happy in their life)

    86. (Whoever it was here who said they wouldn’t trade rosters with Cavs really hates being happy in their life)

      Sir, this is a die hard Knicks blog. We all hate being happy.

    87. ***Sir, this is a die hard Knicks blog. We all hate being happy.***

      I highly recommend becoming a die easy fan. My life has improved a lot.

    88. Raven:
      Mmm. Cam was getting 23 minutes a game, and wanted more. Ain’t gonna find that here…

      It’s true, but I think some of those minutes were due to injuries. My impression is that if everyone on the Hawks were healthy he wouldn’t get that much playing time there.

    89. thenoblefacehumper: I found this thread pretty enlightening as to why eye-test types are so high on Reddish. To use a cliche I tend to hate, he really does have a lot of tools you can’t teach. The problem seems to be…all of the teachable stuff.

      This is a very fair characterization. Cam has a toolbox full of state-of-the-art tools. Can he learn to use them like a top-notch craftsperson or will he never be able to “see the game” the way he needs to in order to be a star? Is it an intelligence issue or a maturity issue?

      That’s kind of what you get when you draft, sign or trade for players like Cam at age 22. Obviously if the question marks weren’t there, he wouldn’t be available for a protected first round pick.

      These kind of players have all different kinds of long-term outcomes. Hard to conclude that it’s an IQ issue, or a motor issue, or a mechanics issue, or a maturity issue, or a role issue, that results in the ultimate ceiling. I think the best downside comparison for him is Mario Hezonja, a guy who came into the league with a similarly tantalizing skills package and size and never figured it out. Cam has a higher floor than Mario, but he could already be close to his ceiling as an erratic highlight reel on both ends. I like his chances, though, and think it’s a fine gamble. If it is a maturity issue only, he really could become a big-3 level player at some point.

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