Knicks Morning News (2022.01.12)

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    How to Watch Dallas Mavericks vs. New York Knicks Game Live Online on January 12, 2022: Streaming/TV Channels  The Streamable

  • Revisiting the Kristaps Porzingis trade to Mavericks: Did Knicks get value in return for All-Star forward? – Sporting News
    [www.sportingnews.com] — Wednesday, January 12, 2022 6:00:00 AM

    Revisiting the Kristaps Porzingis trade to Mavericks: Did Knicks get value in return for All-Star forward?  Sporting News

  • New York Knicks vs. Dallas Mavericks: Time, TV channel, how to watch free live stream (1/12/2022) – syracuse.com
    [www.syracuse.com] — Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:00:00 AM

    New York Knicks vs. Dallas Mavericks: Time, TV channel, how to watch free live stream (1/12/2022)  syracuse.com

  • Miles ‘Deuce’ McBride scores 39 points in Westchester Knicks’ NBA G-League win – The Cincinnati Enquirer
    [www.cincinnati.com] — Wednesday, January 12, 2022 1:20:47 AM

    Miles ‘Deuce’ McBride scores 39 points in Westchester Knicks’ NBA G-League win  The Cincinnati Enquirer

  • ‘New Amsterdam’ Season 4 Episode 12 Review: Of Knicks, Lauren and Max Goodwin’s struggles – MEAWW
    [meaww.com] — Wednesday, January 12, 2022 12:19:00 AM

    ‘New Amsterdam’ Season 4 Episode 12 Review: Of Knicks, Lauren and Max Goodwin’s struggles  MEAWW

  • Knicks Weighing Deadline Trade for Cam Reddish: Report – Heavy.com
    [heavy.com] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 9:29:00 PM

    Knicks Weighing Deadline Trade for Cam Reddish: Report  Heavy.com

  • Rehabbing Derrick Rose back with Knicks after undergoing ankle surgery – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 8:20:00 PM

    Rehabbing Derrick Rose back with Knicks after undergoing ankle surgery  New York Post

  • New York Knicks’ Julius Randle on gesture toward MSG fans, $25K fine: ‘I’ve already addressed it’ – ESPN
    [www.espn.com] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 7:44:26 PM

    New York Knicks’ Julius Randle on gesture toward MSG fans, $25K fine: ‘I’ve already addressed it’  ESPNKnicks are about to find out just how tough Julius Randle is  New York Post Julius Randle booed off the floor by Knicks fans after two-point performance vs. Spurs  Sporting NewsJulius Randle situation with Knicks, fans growing more tense | amNewYork  AMNYKnicks’ Julius Randle fined $25K for use of profane language  NBA.comView Full Coverage on Google News

  • Reacting to a potential Ben Simmons to NY Knicks trade – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 6:08:00 PM

    Reacting to a potential Ben Simmons to NY Knicks trade  Daily Knicks

  • How to Watch Motor City Cruise at Westchester Knicks: Live Stream, TV Channel, Start Time – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 5:00:00 PM

    How to Watch Motor City Cruise at Westchester Knicks: Live Stream, TV Channel, Start Time  Sports Illustrated

  • Knicks Trade Rumors: Cam Reddish Drawing Interest from NY Ahead of Deadline – Bleacher Report
    [bleacherreport.com] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 4:48:50 PM

    Knicks Trade Rumors: Cam Reddish Drawing Interest from NY Ahead of Deadline  Bleacher Report

  • New Knicks, same as the old Knicks – Yahoo Sports
    [sports.yahoo.com] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 4:08:14 PM

    New Knicks, same as the old Knicks  Yahoo Sports

  • Stephen Curry Twisted the Knife by Admitting He Wanted the Knicks to Draft Him: ‘Always Careful What You Wish For’ – Sportscasting
    [www.sportscasting.com] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 3:58:01 PM

    Stephen Curry Twisted the Knife by Admitting He Wanted the Knicks to Draft Him: ‘Always Careful What You Wish For’  Sportscasting

  • NBA rumors: Derrick Rose rejoining Knicks after injury – Hoops Hype
    [hoopshype.com] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:07:38 PM

    NBA rumors: Derrick Rose rejoining Knicks after injury  Hoops Hype

  • Enter Enes – Celtics Blog
    [www.celticsblog.com] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:00:00 PM

    Enter Enes  Celtics Blog

  • RJ Barrett’s star turn boosts Knicks’ playoff chances – Empire Sports Media
    [empiresportsmedia.com] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:39:51 PM

    RJ Barrett’s star turn boosts Knicks’ playoff chances  Empire Sports MediaNew York Knicks: RJ Barrett’s 2022 is off to a blazing start  Daily KnicksDuke’s Coach K Sees ‘Steady Growth’ In RJ Barrett, Says He Should Remain With Knicks ‘For His Career’  ForbesFor one night, RJ Barrett looked like star Knicks’ future depends on  New York Post RJ Barrett returns to practice for depleted New York Knicks after six-game absence  ESPNView Full Coverage on Google News

  • This Blazers-Knicks Trade Features Robert Covington To New York – NBA Analysis Network
    [www.nbaanalysis.net] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 11:27:38 AM

    This Blazers-Knicks Trade Features Robert Covington To New York  NBA Analysis Network

  • Stephen Curry admits he wants the New York Knicks to enlist him – TalkBasket.net
    [www.talkbasket.net] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 11:18:39 AM

    Stephen Curry admits he wants the New York Knicks to enlist him  TalkBasket.net

  • Knicks: What a deal for Pistons forward Jerami Grant could look like – Empire Sports Media
    [empiresportsmedia.com] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 11:08:59 AM

    Knicks: What a deal for Pistons forward Jerami Grant could look like  Empire Sports Media

  • 3 Stars For New York Knicks To Target At NBA Trade Deadline – NBA Analysis Network
    [www.nbaanalysis.net] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 10:49:26 AM

    3 Stars For New York Knicks To Target At NBA Trade Deadline  NBA Analysis Network

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    90 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2022.01.12)”

    1. If he can clear his head and stop behave like an offended child this is a very good game for Randle to start climbing out of the hole.

      If he’s willing to accept RJ as the main (or at least equal) offensive initiator, concentrate on defense and focus on the board, he can still be a useful piece and tonight he can dominate the paint.

      Lot of “ifs” and it wouldn’t be the first time my hopes are shattered by his behaviour, but hope is free of charge… :-)

    2. some more deep cuts on the Knicks/Mavs album:

      Keith Van Horn
      Eddy Curry
      David Lee

      some more recent ones:

      wayne ellington
      shane larkin
      deandre jordan
      nerlens noel

      and if we’re accepting players who were part of both organizations but didn’t necessarily play for both:

      Donnell Harvey (drafted by NYK, traded to DAL)
      Kelenna Azubuike (still waiting for him to suit up)

    3. If he’s willing to accept RJ as the main (or at least equal) offensive initiator

      I’ve never quite understood players who insist on being the number one option like it’s in a contract or something.

      RJ is still very young and often very inconsistent. Even if they’re “equals” there are going to be plenty of nights when RJ doesn’t quite have it or it’s a bad matchup for him as far as who is defending him. And Vice versa! Randle can have nights where he goes off and RJ is secondary and vice versa. Or games where they both score 25 to 30.

      Or there might be a night where both of them are struggling but Burks, IQ, etc…are the ones who pick up the slack. Or nights when everyone has it going and the whole team scores 10 to 20 points each.

      It should all be about the match up and who has it that night and the flow of the game.

      I don’t think Randle has an issue with RJ or with even not always being the number one option though. I think his mental issues right now are more about the fans, the expectations and the season being a struggle, maybe some personal shit at home or off the court, etc. I honestly don’t think he has some huge ego where he’s offended if RJ goes off and he doesn’t. I think it’s more about him feeling slighted and unappreciated by the fan base? Who knows though.

    4. swiftandabundant: I honestly don’t think he has some huge ego where he’s offended if RJ goes off and he doesn’t.

      I agree. Just have to look at his reaction with the RJ buzzer beater. (contrast that, to say, KP’s reaction to Luka’s buzzer beater over Memphis last season).

    5. Like if my teammate scored 30 points in a game we won pretty easily and I was getting boo’d in the 4th quarter when I took a total of 7 shots that game, I would be pretty mad and it would have nothing to do with my teammate scoring a bunch of points. I think the fans need to lay off him for a bit.

    6. swiftandabundant: I think the fans need to lay off him for a bit.

      I don’t know what the solution is. It seems that he just can’t handle the pressure of physically present fans–whether they cheer him or boo him.

    7. Lauren Gunn made an interesting point about any potential Cam Reddish trade. The Hawks may not want a young player. They may want a veteran that can help them now. Someone like Burks or Noel could interest them. We may have to sweeten it a little, but it won’t necessarily have to include a young player we may want to keep.

    8. I’d trade either of those guys for him without a second thought. He’s on an upward trajectory and played well in the playoffs last year. Still only 22. Worth a shot in my eyes. If he busts, he busts.

      (As to Noel in particular, it’s time for the Knicks to modernize and get a stretch 5 and stop already with the lane cloggers. Thibs’s obsession with defensive paint points and blase nature about threes is a primitive perspective, straight out of 2008.)

    9. swiftandabundant: I’ve never quite understood players who insist on being the number one option like it’s in a contract or something.

      That’s why a bunch of us can’t understand Randle’s act.

    10. he just can’t handle the pressure of physically present fans–whether they cheer him or boo him.

      I think this is a really unfair assumption. The last time he played for fans before last season was during the pandemic shortened season when Fizdale was the coach. That team was horribly constructed and gave rookie RJ Barrett a shit ton of minutes. So yeah, that was a bad Randle season but the whole team was bad. We had 9 power forwards and our only real PG was Elf (who didn’t even play the first part of the season).

      He had a pretty good season the year before in NO and that was in front of fans.

      This meme of him not being able to play in front of fans is because of the playoffs and this season. And by the way, the whole team was shook in game one against the Hawks last year in front of fans for the first time all year. I just think it’s an exaggeration.

      That’s why a bunch of us can’t understand Randle’s act.

      So you’re saying his “act” is because he’s jealous of RJ having a good game every other game? That Randle can only be happy if he’s the leading scorer on a team, regardless of whether we win or not?

      I see a lot of projecting here by fans who are still traumatized by the Melo era. Melo was definitely that guy. But I don’t think it’s really fair to say Randle is the same way. Not yet at least. He’s being booed in games we’re winning. People are accusing him of playing selfish after a game where he took 7 shots. People are accusing him of being lazy after games where he snags 12 to 15 boards.

      Randle does need to just tune it all out and focus on the game. He needs to not argue with refs and run back. I’m not saying he doesn’t need to do better. But I just think the fans need to cut him a break.

    11. E, all merc’d out:
      I’d trade either of those guys for him without a second thought.He’s on an upward trajectory and played well in the playoffs last year.Still only 22.Worth a shot in my eyes.If he busts, he busts.

      (As to Noel in particular, it’s time for the Knicks to modernize and get a stretch 5 and stop already with the lane cloggers.Thibs’s obsession with defensive paint points and blase nature about threes is a primitive perspective, straight out of 2008.)

      I’m a big fan of paint protection, but spacing (3 point shooting) vs paint protection is not necessarily a one or the other thing. There are a handful of big men around the league that can do both and score inside. They are just hard to come by. IMO they also tend to be more valuable than it looks. The “blocks” show up in their stat sheet, but if you have a stretch 5, the value of the extra spacing accrues to their teammates with easier shots in the paint and more offensive rebounds because the opposing big man is dragged out. Too bad we don’t have a stretch 5. :-)

    12. I think Randle thinks it’s on him to be the #1 option. So he tries to do a lot of things he shouldn’t do given his skillset. When he starts failing, the pressure of being that #1 option compounds the problem and drags his performance down further. The fans getting on him just adds to the problem. As much as I get on him (for good reason), if we had a legitimate no doubt about it #1 option, I think he’d settle into a smaller role and be more efficient. But I think he has basketball style and IQ issues that will always remain a problem.

    13. Deeefense!!: We may have to sweeten it a little, but it won’t necessarily have to include a young player we may want to keep.

      Why in the hell would we sweeten a trade for another Duke scrub who’s about to ask for more money based entirely on upside?

      [swift] Like if my teammate scored 30 points in a game we won pretty easily and I was getting boo’d in the 4th quarter when I took a total of 7 shots that game, I would be pretty mad

      lol this checks out

    14. They may want a veteran that can help them now. Someone like Burks or Noel could interest them.

      i think there’s essentially no chance the hawks would want noel and they most likely wouldn’t want either guy. noel isn’t going to play with capela or okongwu. reddish has real trade value and they’re not going to flip him for someone who’s barely going to factor in the playoffs and would drop half of trae’s lobs if he did. i’ve enjoyed watching burks play tryhard-dad defense but it’s unlikely they see him as a good enough defender to make a difference. outside of reddish they have a surfeit of okay guys who already fill burks’ role and they’re either within range of burks’ defense like bogdan or huerter or clearly better like hunter. burks is a better defender than reddish at the moment bc reddish dies on more screens than dennis hopper, but that’s not really the point. i agree they’ll probably want help now, just not our sorta help, so if we were involved i’d bet it would have to be 3 team deal with picks going out.

    15. After reviewing the numbers, I would be willing to part with our top-55 protected 2nd rd pick from Charlotte this year in exchange for Reddish. It’s an okay, not a great deal because Charlotte is still mathematically in the race for 5th place in the league.

    16. ***He had a pretty good season the year before in NO and that was in front of fans.***

      I mean, maybe a few, but the Smoothie King Center is pretty much asleep by the 2nd quarter.

    17. i agree they’ll probably want help now, just not our sorta help, so if we were involved i’d bet it would have to be 3 team deal with picks going out.

      You make a good case for us not having what they want, but I think it’s interesting that the Knicks are interested in Reddish when we know they must also be thinking about Zion. It would be a Beatles reunion.

    18. About Jalen Smith (Phoenix Suns):

      Since they declined his team option, they’re not allowed to re-sign him to a salary next season that’s more than the amount he was supposed to get on his rookie-scale deal. (…) at risk of losing him this offseason if another team offers him more than $4.7 million.
      The most recent case of declined rookie option remorse was when Mario Hezonja played well after the Magic declined him, and the Knicks gave him more than Orlando could offer.

      I think he might be worth a shot, he has improved a lot from his rookie season. And also because we are missing out on a lot of Jalens, so let’s get this one.

      Edit: Well, i don’t agree on the part that a team could have remorse for not having Super Mario. :P

    19. The most recent case of declined rookie option remorse was when Mario Hezonja played well after the Magic declined him, and the Knicks gave him more than Orlando could offer.

      Ouch, nice memories… :-)

    20. Why in the hell would we sweeten a trade for another Duke scrub who’s about to ask for more money based entirely on upside?

      Some people do not view player value in static terms based on what they are doing now. They think it’s appropriate to build potential in with some kind of range and probability estimate. There are reasons he was drafted higher than his stats warranted and why so many of his peers regard him so highly. They think the high end of the range is higher than for most players given where he is now and the probability of achieving it is higher than average. It’s our (management’s) job to decide what the range and probability is relative to the market and determine whether it’s worth it. I don’t think a role player alone gets it done. I don’t know what Rose and Thibs think. I’m not sure what I think. I’m pretty sure RJ likes the idea and so may Zion.

    21. His act is coming to a shitty team and then just kind of assuming the role of “leader of this team” and only getting it because the team is shitty, and then he explicitly refers to himself in that vein and plays like it on the floor with all the attendant body language … and then when it comes time to actually be the “leader of this team” and come through and show some stones, like, say, in the playoffs, he wilts like soaked spinach.

      That’s why he’s being booed.

    22. “burks is a better defender than reddish at the moment bc reddish dies on more screens than dennis hopper”

      I would probably retire from knickerblogging if I wrote that.

      I know Jaren Jackson shoots 31% from three. Does that really space the floor? Maybe it does, I don’t know, but his defense was the difference maker last night. I still don’t really believe the stretch big matters all that much beyond the quality of the defense they provide. I know there are some numbers but I think the narrative goes way beyond the facts on the ground.

      Fake news basically.

    23. Deeefense!!: I’m pretty sure RJ likes the idea and so may Zion.

      If the plan is indeed to lure Zion here, as i think it is, then getting Reddish is a good move.

    24. His act is coming to a shitty team and then just kind of assuming the role of “leader of this team” and only getting it because the team is shitty, and then he explicitly refers to himself in that vein and plays like it on the floor with all the attendant body language … and then when it comes time to actually be the “leader of this team” and come through and show some stones, like, say, in the playoffs, he wilts like soaked spinach.

      Do you realize how petty and dumb this take makes you sound?

      “Yes, I will purposefully go to the Knicks so I can be the leader. Then I will suck the first year so when I come back after covid (which I secretely invented…it was me!)…I will play really well so that the team makes the playoffs and I can sign a big contract. Then I will purposefully suck because I got paid so I can get traded to another bad team! MY PLAN IS COMING TO FRUITION!”

      This is what you sound like when you post that garbage.

    25. I know this has nothing to do with real facts or statistics but I’ve followed NBA basketball for a long time and it seems like almost anytime you pair up two players who were stars together in college on an NBA team it almost always doesn’t work out.

      I’m fine with us moving on from Randle eventually but I really do not get the appeal of Zion. He is hurt all of the time. And that’s at a super young age. What good is putting up monster numbers if you only do it half a season at a time. RJ and Zion might be close friends cause of their Duke days but in that one season Zion missed the entier second half of it. Do you think RJ will get tired of carrying Zion season after season if he is always injured?

    26. ***It would be a Beatles reunion***

      More like the Jordanaires, but with fried-peanutbutter-bacon-and-banana-sandwich eating Elvis as the frontman.

    27. ***know this has nothing to do with real facts or statistics but I’ve followed NBA basketball for a long time and it seems like almost anytime you pair up two players who were stars together in college on an NBA team it almost always doesn’t work out.***

      Drexler and Olajuwon fared better than Webber and Howard. Are there many other examples?

    28. I agree with the concerns about Zion’s weight and injury history. It’s at least conceivable to me that if he did come to NY, he might be happy enough to not eat himself into a Covid risk factor. He may get himself in peak shape again. I don’t know if I’d want to bet on it.

    29. Donnie Walsh:
      ***know this has nothing to do with real facts or statistics but I’ve followed NBA basketball for a long time and it seems like almost anytime you pair up two players who were stars together in college on an NBA team it almost always doesn’t work out.***

      Drexler and Olajuwon fared better than Webber and Howard. Are there many other examples?

      Sam Perkins and James Worthy

    30. swiftandabundant
      January 12, 2022 at 12:18 pm

      I know this has nothing to do with real facts or statistics but I’ve followed NBA basketball for a long time and it seems like almost anytime you pair up two players who were stars together in college on an NBA team it almost always doesn’t work out.

      *

      How quickly you’ve forgotten Kadeem Allen and Allonzo Trier.

    31. Deeefense!!:
      I agree with the concerns about Zion’s weight and injury history.It’s at least conceivable to me that if he did come to NY, he might be happy enough to not eat himself into a Covid risk factor. He may get himself in peak shape again.I don’t know if I’d want to bet on it.

      It’s definitely a risk, but I’d bet on it without hesitation (*). You get Zion and he gets in shape and takes care of himself and it works out, and you find yourself almost immediately on the launching pad. The path they’re on now is Nowheresville.

      I do believe Zion wants to come here and I do believe the Reddish noise is part of that. It’s out of character for the Knicks to advertise interest in a young asset like a Reddish. Grant and Turner, yeah, that’s their speed.

      Interesting question is whether Zion would be down with playing for Thibs. Obviously if he doesn’t want to, it’s gold watch, thank you for your services Coach Thibodeau time.

      (*) With the obvious caveat of price absurdity.

    32. On Zion reports are he wants out of NO so him purposefully getting out of shape is something I can buy. Hes worth the risk as a potential top 3 player in the league at his peak.

      Edit: As mentioned the Reddish rumors do make sense to reunite the Duke boys. Also should squash any RJ trade rumors for the next few years at least.

    33. It’s possible that even the foot “setback” is bogus and he just doesn’t want to play there anymore. It’s in the Peli’s interest to go along because it gives them a justification for trading him. Naturally, the Knicks will have access to the actual medical records before pulling the (hypothetical) trigger.

    34. E, all merc’d out: It’s possible that even the foot “setback” is bogus and he just doesn’t want to play there anymore.

      It’s also possible that Adam Silver has drunk fresh AAU-player blood to keep his skin taut, bet you didn’t think of that one though

    35. This team that I barely play for isn’t any good because I don’t ever play for them, therefore, I don’t want to play for them anymore.

      I mean, this isn’t AD. AD didn’t miss half (or more) of his games with the Pels. AD gave them a long time to try and put together a winning team. Zion is in his third year and has played in like half of the games. Kind of hard to build a team around your number one draft pick if your number one pick never plays.

    36. KevinR:
      Miles had another monster game in G league.

      My sense of the quality of G league play is getting lower. We’ve seen McBride play in the NBA and there is no hint of the sort of stats he is showing in G League. It’s the same for Samanac when he was on the Spurs, great stats in G league and he had nothing like them playing in the NBA and was waived by the team.

    37. and takes care of himself

      A player can take care of themselves and still get injured. Especially if they have a history of injuries.

      Honestly, fans of the franchise that bet big on Eddie Curry and STAT want to go through this again?

    38. Zion is a simultaneously a tremendous health risk and the best chance we’re likely to have at a generational talent in the Rose regime. I’d pay the price for him. But fuck this college reunion shit. Barrett and Reddish were the reasons that team underachieved. We don’t need to get that band back together.

    39. Also, if Zion is purposefully milking an injury because he doesn’t want to play for the Pelicans anymore, I do not want anything to do with him.

      I mean, we’re calling Randle selfish or whatever but then want a guy who we theorize might be faking an injury just to get out of his current team?

      I have an idea. Lets also trade for Ben Simmons while we’re at it.

    40. There are risks that come with literally any player. Zion admittedly comes with more than most to put it lightly (no pun intended), but right now we’re directionless and our best overall player might be a 33 year-old. I’ll take high-risk, high-reward over no-risk-because-there-is-nothing-meaningful-to-risk any day.

      We’d be idiots to turn our noses up at Zion. The Knicks haven’t employed a player as good as him in at least 20 years.

      Obviously the devil would be in the details as far as the wisdom of a specific move goes, but we are in no position to be picky when it comes to elite talent.

    41. Here’s a coin for you to flip. Heads you win 10 million dollars tax fee. Tails you have to go to jail for a decade. Worth the risk?

      To make this analogy applicable to us, we have to change it around a bit.

      You’ve been in jail for the last 20 years, and you have 10 years left on your sentence. Heads you win $10 million, tails you carry out the rest of your sentence and pray for a jailbreak.

      Worth the risk? Yeah.

    42. Barrett and Reddish were the reasons that team underachieved

      Funny, I thought it was because Zion missed half of the season.

      I can see it now. Knicks trade for Zion. Zion misses half the games. Knickerblogger blames RJ for losing.

    43. You’ve been in jail for the last 20 years, and you have 10 years left on your sentence. Heads you win $10 million, tails you carry out the rest of your sentence and pray for a jailbreak.

      WE made the playoffs last year. Have 4 first round picks in the next 2 drafts. Have a slew of promising young players and can open up a ton of cap space in the next few seasons. Oh, and our record right now is exactly where it was a year ago. We’re hardly in jail right now.

      But sure, lets roll the dice and potentially fuck it all up by getting an overweight injured player because of potential.

    44. I mean it’s easy to bludgeon a move for Zion, but what’s the alternative when it comes to getting elite talent in the building? I’ve been saying for years we should process it up and keep drafting in the high lottery until we have a Dude or three, but that’s obviously not in the cards.

    45. Have 4 first round picks in the next 2 drafts

      Want to hear something depressing? The Grizzlies, who have the 5th best SRS in the NBA and more young talent than we could ever dream of, have 3 first round picks in this draft and an extra 2024 first from Golden State.

      We are way behind the 8 ball.

    46. I don’t think we’re behind the 8ball at all.

      Look, if we trade for Zion I’ll twist every justification I can to be optimistic about it. I’m team optimist for our team, not for players who MIGHT be on our team someday. Until he’s a Knick, I’ll be a realist about Zion. I do not want to go near that.

      I mean, Memphis is good but it’s also a really small market. Are we sure Ja will want to stay there long term?

      I want elite talent too. But saying there’s risks with every player downplays the risk of Zion, IMO. He’s missed more than half of his eligible games as a player and that’s when he’s freaking 21 years old or however old he is right now.

      Side note…he really should not be doing mountain dew commercials where he’s sitting on a couch drinking mountain dew and playing video games.

    47. swiftandabundant: Have 4 first round picks in the next 2 drafts.

      Only if the incinerated pick actually conveys back in the next two drafts. Even if it does, it’s a meh pick. The Dallas pick is top-10 protected and also likely to be meh. The one Dallas pick that has conveyed that people got all giddy about wound up getting incinerated.

      If someone does “see the appeal” in Julius Randle and is consistently raving about that appeal, but “doesn’t get the appeal” of Zion Williamson, there are likely to be some pretty wide philosophical differences afoot — and lo it has come to pass.

    48. swiftandabundant: same

      We do have the same record as last year at this time; it just feels worse because we’re in eleventh place instead of sixth or seventh and because emotionally we’re comparing it to last season instead of to the 2019 to 2020 season.

    49. If I was still a betting man I probably would have put some money on the Knicks going over 42 (or whatever it was, it was around there) this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if we end up going over but I’m glad I didn’t bet on it now.

    50. swiftandabundant: WE made the playoffs last year. Have 4 first round picks in the next 2 drafts.

      I thought we incinerated one of those picks. ;-)

      I’m fine with where we are. I think we screwed up free agency this offseason, but there weren’t any fatal blows. We just can’t afford any more sideways or backwards moves. We have to try to make improvements every year on top of what we add in the draft and any development we get from young players.

    51. I’d roll the dice on Zion 100%.

      Who else is out there that hasn’t been signed long term? You know the Bulls are gonna take care of LaVine and I wouldn’t mortgage the house to get Lillard or Beal

      Take a shot, maybe this franchise will get lucky for once

    52. Knick fan not in NJ: We do have the same record as last year at this time; it just feels worse because we’re in eleventh place instead of sixth or seventh and because emotionally we’re comparing it to last season instead of to the 2019 to 2020 season.

      To the extent it feels worse, it’s because the playoffs completely exposed the operation and exposed Thibs and Randle, and now we know they’re on the road to nowhere. The only way the emotional needle really moves is a big breakthrough by one of the youngsters, or a move that shows that the FO isn’t just going to be happy with the same old treading water.

    53. Knick fan not in NJ: We do have the same record as last year at this time; it just feels worse because we’re in eleventh place instead of sixth or seventh and because emotionally we’re comparing it to last season instead of to the 2019 to 2020 season.

      Last year was also a pleasant surprise. That set expectations higher coming into this season.

      I have a mixed feelings. I feel like our record is close to what I thought it would be, but I’m disappointed in some of the individual performances so far (Randle, RJ, Nerlens (injuries), and Fournier). I’m not sure how to reconcile that, but I guess Obi is doing better than I expected and Grimes is contributing.

    54. Deeefense!!: Last year was also a pleasant surprise. That set expectations higher coming into this season.

      It was more than that. Remember, we were expected to win 22.5 games last year. To be at 20 halfway through the season was a holiday miracle.

    55. We re nowhere near as good as last year despite our record considering we finished the season winning like 16 of our final 20. At this rate we’d have to go over .500 our last 20 games to make the play in and that’s highly questionable at this point.

    56. What’s the story with Jonathan Isaac?

      He’s still young, 6’11”, was improving before the injury, spreads the floor well enough for a big man, and protects the paint. I’m not sure what the story is with his injury, but he might be someone that could be pried away at a reasonable price and worth a gamble for someone as an alternative to the high cost of Myles Turner.

    57. Wasn’t there a Simpsons episode once where Homer didn’t want to go to work anymore, so he ate himself into obesity just to gain workers comp?

      It’s funny in a satirical tv show, but IF Zion is really trying to eat his way out of New Orleans, that is a really, really, really, really bad way of going about it. A guy like that deserves Reddish and Barrett as his sidekicks.

    58. Basketball Reference @bball_ref

      Most difficult schedule remaining:
      1. Bucks
      2. Lakers
      3. Rockets
      4. Knicks
      5. Pistons

      Easiest:
      1. Blazers
      2. Cavs
      3. Celtics
      4. Pacers
      5. Raptors

    59. “but IF Zion is really trying to eat his way out of New Orleans, that is a really, really, really, really bad way of going about it.”

      I mean, if I had to eat my way out of a job anywhere New Orleans would be right at the top of the list of places to do that. Good eating down there.

    60. What’s the story with Jonathan Isaac?

      You mean the guy who just made a dog and pony show about his book, which explains why kneeling for the anthem and getting COVID vaccines are against Jesus’s wishes?

      He’ll do great in NYC.

    61. We need to win our next 5 home games, starting tonight.
      Do that means approaching the hard stretch at least 3 games over .500,
      it’s our best (and maybe last) chance to turn the season around.

      Try to get confidence back, solve the Randle-Gate, get Kemba back (waiting for Rose). The margin for error is slim.

      Don’t do anything stupid at the trade deadline, let the chips fall as they should, the lottery is not the end of the world.

      Maybe the best possible outcome is: 9th place in the East, win the first game of the play-in (in a full MSG), lose the second (away), then be lucky with the ping-pong balls.

    62. isaac is definitely taking longer than usual to get back from an acl tear, tho i think he also tore his meniscus, so maybe cartilage issues came with it. magic have recently said fultz is closer to returning so it could be he misses two full seasons. he was looking pretty awesome before the injury, like a future dpoy guy, though he already had an injury history. isaac was drafted in what is now known among nba insiders as the frank draft yet has the precise career point total of the player picked 8th in the much more recent obi draft.

    63. Owen:
      I mean, if I had to eat my way out of a job anywhere New Orleans would be right at the top of the list of places to do that. Good eating down there.

      lmao

      Years back I used go to a restaurant in Long Island called Nawlins Grille. From what I gather it was owned by a woman from New Orleans using her home recipes. The food was spectacular. Every weekend they’d have live music. There’s nothing in the world I enjoy better on a cold winter night than a good gumbo, live New Orleans Jazz (and occasional blues), and a good dark New Orleans beer. I became friendly with one of the musicians that played there regularly. I didn’t even have to ask him to play certain songs. He knew my playlist. lol This place was like heaven for me. It eventually closed when the owner had to go home to help family. I was sick about it. I still haven’t found anything close to as good in my area. I’ve never been to New Orleans. I hope I get to see it someday.

    64. Donnie Walsh:
      ***

      Drexler and Olajuwon fared better than Webber and Howard. Are there many other examples?

      Sorry am late to the party but my misspelled moniker might mean something

    65. You mean the guy who just made a dog and pony show about his book, which explains why kneeling for the anthem and getting COVID vaccines are against Jesus’s wishes?

      He’ll do great in NYC.

      lol this is great

    66. Having both Kyrie and Isaac on New York teams would be something else, really. I’m immediately against just because of him shaking hands with Ben Shapiro, and on top of that he hasn’t played since what, the bubble?

    67. Deeefense!!: lmao

      Years back I used go to a restaurant in Long Island called Nawlins Grille.From what I gather it was owned by a woman from New Orleans using her home recipes.The food was spectacular. Every weekend they’d have live music.There’s nothing in the world I enjoy better on a cold winter night than a good gumbo, live New Orleans Jazz (and occasional blues), and a good dark New Orleans beer.I became friendly with one of the musicians that played there regularly.I didn’t even have to ask him to play certain songs. He knew my playlist. lolThis place was like heaven for me.It eventually closed when the owner had to go home to help family. I was sick about it. I still haven’t found anything close to as good in my area.I’ve never been to New Orleans.I hope I get to see it someday.

      I’d say don’t put it off. You only live once.

    68. The treatment of Randle is a great example of why we can never have nice things. Less than half a year from a second team all-nba season and fans are treating him like a shit. What a short memory! If we had drafted Zion, he wouldn’t be able to show his face in NY right now. As far as getting the band back together, it would be more like KC and the Sunshine Band than the Beatles. I might give up a couple of seconds for a flier on Cam, but this is year 3 for him and he hasn’t produced at all. Our second chance lottery experiment from a few years ago and the lack of any examples of it ever working make me believe it’s not such a good idea. Hezonja, Mudiay, Vonleh, Burke, etc were all a waste of time. What happened to the guy who used ellipsis all the time? I may steal his style. It would fit my stream of consciousness posts well.

    69. The treatment of Randle is a great example of why we can never have nice things. Less than half a year from a second team all-nba season and fans are treating him like a shit.

      Like I said yesterday, imo it’s not all about how poorly he’s playing.

      Knicks fans loved Frank even though he was a disappointment as a draft pick and couldn’t throw the ball in the ocean. They loved him because he gave 100% of what he had on defense, moved the ball, and tried to play the game the right way. So they gave him a pass on his immaturity and bricks hoping he’d put it all together eventually.

      They aren’t giving Randle a pass because he complains to the refs, doesn’t get back on D, stops the ball, takes dumb shots, makes foolish TOs etc.. If he was playing the right way and simply missing, they’d be disappointed but they wouldn’t get on him so hard. NY fans are a tough audience. They aren’t going to tolerate anything less than 100% effort and not playing smart from the “star” player.

    70. I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, but I still think it’s dumb to boo the guy mercilessly. Randle is far from perfect, but this is not going to help the Knicks attract top free agents. Who needs to be under a microscope all of the time?

    71. GHenman:
      Who needs to be under a microscope all of the time?

      Not me if I was a player. That’s for sure. I think the media and fans CAN be an issue for some players and turn them off. So I agree with you.

    72. Strat, I second that thought. New Orleans during Jazzfest is really fun. Mardi Gras too intense. But anytime is good.

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