Knicks Morning News (2022.01.11)

  • Stephen Curry Admits He Wanted The New York Knicks To Draft Him: “I Absolutely Was Wanting To Go To The Knicks.” – Yardbarker
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    Stephen Curry Admits He Wanted The New York Knicks To Draft Him: “I Absolutely Was Wanting To Go To The Knicks.”  Yardbarker

  • Stephen Curry Admits He Wanted The New York Knicks To Draft Him: “I Absolutely Was Wanting To Go To The Knicks.” – Fadeaway World
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    Stephen Curry Admits He Wanted The New York Knicks To Draft Him: “I Absolutely Was Wanting To Go To The Knicks.”  Fadeaway World

  • #SportsReport: Blazers beat Nets, Knicks top Spurs – WAMC
    [www.wamc.org] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 6:15:00 AM

    #SportsReport: Blazers beat Nets, Knicks top Spurs  WAMC

  • Mavericks face the Knicks, look for 7th straight victory – Associated Press
    [apnews.com] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 3:15:39 AM

    Mavericks face the Knicks, look for 7th straight victory  Associated Press

  • Mavericks face the Knicks, look for 7th straight victory – Muscatine Journal
    [muscatinejournal.com] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 3:02:49 AM

    Mavericks face the Knicks, look for 7th straight victory  Muscatine Journal

  • Knicks are about to find out just how tough Julius Randle is – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Tuesday, January 11, 2022 12:15:00 AM

    Knicks are about to find out just how tough Julius Randle is  New York Post New York Knicks’ Julius Randle ‘regrets’ thumbs-down gesture, remarks to fans  ESPNKnicks’ Julius Randle fined $25K for use of profane language  NBA.comJulius Randle booed off the floor by Knicks fans after two-point performance vs. Spurs  Sporting NewsJulius Randle delivers foul message to Knicks fans amid comeback against Celtics  Fox NewsView Full Coverage on Google News

  • N.Y. Knicks 111, San Antonio 96 – CT Post
    [www.ctpost.com] — Monday, January 10, 2022 9:58:05 PM

    N.Y. Knicks 111, San Antonio 96  CT Post

  • N.Y. Knicks 111, San Antonio 96 – CT Post
    [www.ctpost.com] — Monday, January 10, 2022 9:58:05 PM

    N.Y. Knicks 111, San Antonio 96  CT Post

  • 3 mistakes the Knicks must avoid in 2022 – ClutchPoints
    [clutchpoints.com] — Monday, January 10, 2022 9:28:56 PM

    3 mistakes the Knicks must avoid in 2022  ClutchPoints

  • Knicks struggling at PG with Derrick Rose, Kemba Walker out – New York Daily News
    [www.nydailynews.com] — Monday, January 10, 2022 7:35:00 PM

    Knicks struggling at PG with Derrick Rose, Kemba Walker out  New York Daily News

  • Knicks And Spurs Starting Lineups – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Monday, January 10, 2022 7:10:07 PM

    Knicks And Spurs Starting Lineups  Sports IllustratedRJ Barrett carries Knicks as Julius Randle struggles epically vs. Spurs  New York Post Knicks overpower Spurs thanks to RJ Barrett’s dominance  Empire Sports MediaKnicks vs. Spurs prediction, odds, line, spread: 2022 NBA picks, Jan. 10 best bets from model on 50-27 run  CBS SportsNew York Knicks vs San Antonio Spurs: Best Bets and Predictions  Daily KnicksView Full Coverage on Google News

  • Evan Fournier’s Official Injury Status For Spurs-Knicks Game – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Monday, January 10, 2022 6:58:44 PM

    Evan Fournier’s Official Injury Status For Spurs-Knicks Game  Sports Illustrated

  • NBA Rumors: This Bulls-Knicks Trade Features Derrick Rose – NBA Analysis Network
    [www.nbaanalysis.net] — Monday, January 10, 2022 6:40:41 PM

    NBA Rumors: This Bulls-Knicks Trade Features Derrick Rose  NBA Analysis Network

  • Knicks Rumors: Team interested in trading for Jerami Grant ahead of deadline – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Monday, January 10, 2022 6:07:00 PM

    Knicks Rumors: Team interested in trading for Jerami Grant ahead of deadline  Daily Knicks

  • Kemba Walker’s Injury Status For Spurs-Knicks Game – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Monday, January 10, 2022 4:39:51 PM

    Kemba Walker’s Injury Status For Spurs-Knicks Game  Sports Illustrated

  • Toppin for Turner? What a Knicks-Pacers deal could look like – Empire Sports Media
    [empiresportsmedia.com] — Monday, January 10, 2022 4:01:20 PM

    Toppin for Turner? What a Knicks-Pacers deal could look like  Empire Sports Media

  • What a Myles Turner trade could look like for Knicks – Empire Sports Media
    [empiresportsmedia.com] — Monday, January 10, 2022 4:00:27 PM

    What a Myles Turner trade could look like for Knicks  Empire Sports Media

  • How the now-legal New York sportsbooks are viewing the Knicks – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Monday, January 10, 2022 3:26:00 PM

    How the now-legal New York sportsbooks are viewing the Knicks  New York Post

  • CES New York Knicks Art Print Collaboration Basketball – HYPEBEAST
    [hypebeast.com] — Monday, January 10, 2022 3:18:26 PM

    CES New York Knicks Art Print Collaboration Basketball  HYPEBEAST

  • Knicks Go training like a champ for Pegasus World Cup – Daily Racing Form
    [www.drf.com] — Monday, January 10, 2022 3:04:31 PM

    Knicks Go training like a champ for Pegasus World Cup  Daily Racing Form

  • Indiana Pacers at Boston Celtics odds, picks and prediction – USA TODAY Sportsbook Wire
    [sportsbookwire.usatoday.com] — Monday, January 10, 2022 1:14:00 PM

    Indiana Pacers at Boston Celtics odds, picks and prediction  USA TODAY Sportsbook Wire

  • Report: Knicks eyeing Jerami Grant, Myles Turner as potential trade deadline acquisitions – Empire Sports Media
    [empiresportsmedia.com] — Monday, January 10, 2022 11:25:38 AM

    Report: Knicks eyeing Jerami Grant, Myles Turner as potential trade deadline acquisitions  Empire Sports Media

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    1. To paraphrase the famous LBJ line about Walter Cronkite turning against the war in Vietnam, if Julius Randle has lost Jonathan Macri, he’s lost the Knicks fanbase. Macri unloaded on Randle in his postgame livestream last night. Just one excerpt:

      “I don’t think the Garden crowd should have any sympathy for Julius Randle. You brought this on yourself? Get yourself the fuck out of it! You want to be treated like a fucking big boy? Put on your big boy pants! Because I’m fucking sick of it.”

    2. Randle is confused.

      His success last year — and so many of us said this at the time but were shouted down by the Thibs zealots — was based on extraordinary execution of a bad process. He deserved all the plaudits bc what he did was enormously difficult.

      He doesn’t seem to be able to grasp that, though, so he’s committing himself to the poor process and expecting more extraordinary results. This really is where coaching should come into play, but Thibs doesn’t have much to offer here.

    3. He doesn’t seem to be able to grasp that, though, so he’s committing himself to the poor process and expecting more extraordinary results. This really is where coaching should come into play, but Thibs doesn’t have much to offer here.

      He took 7 shots last night.

      He’s actually shooting more from long range and less from mid range this season.

    4. Your first line had me confused because this is a basketball website and my brain refused to see LBJ anything other than a certain basketballer from Akron as opposed to our nation’s 36th president.

      That said I certainly boo Randel from my couch. I think by booing Randle we Knicks fans are really booing ourselves for letting our guards down and believing we had a bonafide franchise star for the first time since…

    5. Granted Julius is a grownup making a huge salary, who has played beyond awful this season, including spotty effort, which is something he has control over. He exacerbated the problem with the thumbs down shut the fuck up response. But, if the goal is to help him turn things around and noting that he does not respond well to negativity, might it be better to be more positive? If trading him is on the FO’s radar, it would be better to catalyze a turnaround towards his actual ceiling even if that is below last year’s MIP.

    6. But, if the goal is to help him turn things around and noting that he does not respond well to negativity, might it be better to be more positive? If trading him is on the FO’s radar, it would be better to catalyze a turnaround towards his actual ceiling even if that is below last year’s MIP.

      This is also part of it for me. If feels like some of these fans don’t want him to succeed at this point for whatever reason. But that’s beyond silly. Even if you think Obi should eventually take the starting spot or that this should be RJ’s team or whatever, don’t you want Randle to do well so his value is high when we trade him?

      I mean, to me it’s pretty obvious that RJ has the potential to be the man on this team. Maybe not the true number one option but the heart/leader of the team. But he is inconsistent and definitely not there yet. And Obi has shown flashes and is much improved, but he is a HORRIBLE 3 point shooter and really just does a couple of things well right now. Since Rose got hurt, his play has plummeted and that shows me that he needs a good PG to get the most out of him. So he isn’t ready to start yet either.

      Randle just signed a fair market contract. But right now it’s long and his play is not good, so he is probably not tradeable without attaching assets. That doesn’t mean it’s always going to be untradeable though and we know he is capable of playing at a very high level. And he has not been the only reason we’re not meeting expectations this season. At this point it just seems piling on to keep booing the guy after he apologized.

    7. I don’t have a strong opinion on the Randle-gate, because on one hand the way he played all season has warranted the boos, but on the other i’m not of the booing your own team type. Chanting another player’s name when at the FT line is stupid, that we can all agree, i think.
      I’ll add that being booed is one of the outcomes you should expect from your fanbase, when your play is detrimental to the team (which seems to be his case this season). So he has to grow up and not listen to the boos, and try his best to play very well. If he does that, all this circus will certainly go away. If he doesn’t, maybe this is the push Leon needed to trade him at the trade deadline.

    8. Isn’t it likely that Randle being at the foul line was an incidental occurrence while the crowd was applauding Barrett’s good game?

    9. I still can’t believe Randle had a +16, while only taking 7 shots. He actually tried to effect the game in in other areas as opposed to just scoring. I actually liked it. Now..I’d rather for his shots to fall, but I think this was a valuable lesson for him. And please Thibs- NO MORE PG BURKS! You got a way with it last night, but let the kids who are better equipped to play that role get game time experience doing it. You’re robbing them of their value by not letting them play when you actually NEED them

    10. On a more positive note, Neemias Queta played 24 mins for the Kings and scored his first points in the NBA (11 pts). Couldn’t have been much better than this. Well, it could, i’d like it much more if it’d have been doning a Knicks jersey. ;)

      Sacramento Kings: .@nemi1599 hitting a sweet floater for his first NBA bucket
      https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/status/1480759977773993986

      Kings on NBCS: Tyrese couldn’t help but be excited for Queta after his great game against the Cavs
      https://twitter.com/NBCSKings/status/1480777101166927872

      Sean Cunningham: Despite the Kings loss to the Cavs, Sacramento rookie Neemias Queta picked up his first extended minutes in the NBA, finishing with 11 points, 5 boards and one big steal down the stretch with all of Portugal paying attention to tonight’s game.
      https://twitter.com/SeanCunningham/status/1480784767620550656

    11. Probably it’s not a coincidence I’m part of fiery, crazy, demanding fanbases even in my football and basketball italian affiliations.
      It’s like a “pact”, we fans will be here for whatever, you players give your 100% every time, wouldn’t act like rich spoiled children, play unselfish, sweat on defense.
      If you do that we’ll forgive nearly anything, 2-18 games, missed bunnies as time expired, over the bar penalties, relegations.
      Often the less talented players are the most beloved, because they usually let everything on the floor (or the pitch).

      Julius Randle is a very talented player and bad shooting nights happen (a little too often to him this year).

      But it’s not that.
      It’s the number of times you can count the seconds before he appears on the side of the screen while we’re attacking/defending 4 vs 5.
      It’s the body language, the scowl, the shrugged shoulders.
      It’s the dumb bad defended and-1, followed by the stare to teammates to duck the blame.
      It’s the “it’s your fault” look every time he tosses a pass into the stands.
      Add the thumbs down and the STFU and we’re here.

      I think booing him yesterday wasn’t smart, you don’t do that when your team is up by 20, at least because it’s unrespectful to the other players that deserve no drama after a win.
      But, especially if Randle will react like he did last time, I don’t see how this can end well …

    12. Back to basketball, it’s really time to cut the PG-Burks experiment.

      Quickley has put together some solid games and he looks willing to build a mid-range game outside of the floater that can make a big difference for him.
      RJ seems confident as the initiator on offense, I can see him used more in this role (and it can help Randle if he’s willing to concede).
      Grimes shot is wet and, as suggested since the SL, he can create a little bit more than expected if let free to do it.

      OTOH Above the break / standing in the corner Obi is useless.
      After Thibs “backup QB” comment and with his playtime shrinking again is he on the trade block?

      @Cyber: I’m happy for Queta, we must save him from Sacramento!

    13. The Spurs are a bad team now, i know, but last night i think the plan to turn IQ into a PG looked like it’s actually working. Let’s see what he can do against a much better team in the Mavericks.

    14. I also wanted Steph Curry to come to the Knicks.

      Randle is just stuck in the mud at the moment. He was high effort at the best of time and nothing is coming easily right now. He just needs to play better. It’s that simple.

      RE the fans, they aren’t wrong but there is a big difference between booing the team and booing a player.

    15. RJ seems confident as the initiator on offense, I can see him used more in this role (and it can help Randle if he’s willing to concede).

      This is why i’d trade Randle, if i was Leon. I think Randle and RJ are a bad match, and we should choose one or the other. I’d choose RJ.

      @Cyber: I’m happy for Queta, we must save him from Sacramento!

      Yeah, let’s send them an All-Star for Hali and Queta. :D

    16. Now I’m starting to wonder..
      In all likelihood we would probably have to move Randle or Obi to land Grant. Grant’s obviously not worth moving Randle for, and I’d rather have Obi and Grant at the forwards than Grant and Randle. So..if we end up having to move Randle, could Mitch and Turner work up front? I’m intrigued by that defensively and I see where that would spread the floor and allow RJ to be RJ without Randle taking a bunch of shots away from him. Obviously for that to work, we’d have to bring in a 3rd team- but I really like that idea, especially with Kemba or one of IQ or Deuce at the PG. Preferably Kemba to keep defenses honest because they Kemba already has that respect. IF Kemba can get back to playing 28-32 mpg.

    17. I, too, cannot believe we went back to Alec Burks at PG with Deuce available.

      I’m curious how many minutes RJ has played with Obi. It seems like very few, and I think they complement each other well.

    18. Hubert: I’m curious how many minutes RJ has played with Obi. It seems like very few, and I think they complement each other well.

      185 minutes in 29 games this season Link

    19. Thibs has his guys, and Burks is now one of them.

      I’m still not sold on Deuce being ready, but he should be given non-garbage time minutes.

      Hopefully last night was a prelude of things to come from our young core. I’m far from sold, but it’s good to be reminded of the players RJ, Grimes, and IQ aspire to.

      Grimes doesn’t strike me as a creator, he’s more like Kidd in his season here. He doesn’t get in the paint all that much, but he makes the right reads and makes things happen even when all he does is swing the ball. Hopefully his legs don’t give out.

    20. If IQ can keep improving at the PG spot, that significantly changes what I thought was his ceiling. To me, he’s our best young player.

    21. I am probably one of the bigger supporters of Thibs here, and have given the FO a solid B when I look at all the moves. But I look at this group of players, rotations, how they have played, how they react–and I think both Thibs and the FO are at a crossroads. Something is not working and can only be fixed with coaching and moving players. If you stay with Randle, Thibs needs to fix his game and attitude, and the FO needs to unclog the middle by moving Mitch and getting a Myles Turner type. But both have to happen. If the coaching/FO consensus is to move on from Randle, move him by the deadline. Maintaining the status quo is not a viable option because the problem is not going to fix itself.

    22. Isn’t it likely that Randle being at the foul line was an incidental occurrence while the crowd was applauding Barrett’s good game

      Maybe but that occurred in the 4th quarter. The game was still in question too. Randle making both free throws would have put the game away, so it was a moment when you would expect the fans to be quiet for their own player who is shooting free throws. Plus, that was the game where RJ went off in the first half but Randle went off in the second half. RJ had a great game that game but almost all of his points were in the first half. And when Randle went to the line, he also had over 30 points, almost all of which were in the second half.

    23. not much of a boobird, but i think it’s relevant than randle knows more ways to sulk with body language than the eight-time estonian charades champion. randomly picked example i happened to remember from last night…why exactly are you putting your head down and going standing-limp here instead of running back on defense? bc fournier got stripped while you were sealing? fournier fucking beat you down court while they were shooting an open three. come on.

      https://tinyurl.com/2p8wj75a

    24. not much of a boobird, but i think it’s relevant than randle knows more ways to sulk with body language than the eight-time estonian charades champion.

      This is where I am. I still think it’s stupid to boo individual players for anything other than truly immoral shit and I will never do it, but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen an athlete openly dog it as much as Randle. When you add that to the fact that so many of his struggles are the product of him choosing to take awful shots, I just don’t have much to say about the booing other than “play better.”

      I don’t think Quickley will ever be a full time PG, but he has looked more capable of at least manning the position competently in spurts lately. He’s looked more comfortable making forays into the paint by the eye test but the numbers don’t really support that at the moment. He’s a way better option than Alec Burks in any event.

      What’s interesting about his numbers is he’s only shooting 30% on his spot up 3PA, but is shooting 40% on his pull up 3PA. I’m not really sure how NBA.com defines both categories, but the general idea is he’s making the hard ones and missing the easy ones so hopefully there’s some low-hanging fruit to improve his efficiency this season.

    25. Early Bird:
      If IQ can keep improving at the PG spot, that significantly changes what I thought was his ceiling. To me, he’s our best young player.

      Clyde mentioned that IQ has added a step back jumper in lieu of using his floater all of the time. I believe that that’s helped.

    26. I have an idea. And, frankly, it’s another great one.

      I’ve been going to the MLK matinee game with my dad since 1993 (the Charles Barkley monitor game), but won’t be going with him any more (thanks, Covid). So I need a new tradition.

      What if, starting this Monday, we make the annual MLK matinee game the annual Knickerblogger meet up? We meet up at a bar near the Garden for lunch & drinks. Some people can go to the game if they like, some can chill and watch together at the bar.

    27. I’m not sure Randle even understands part of why he’s getting booed.

      Knicks fans don’t care that much if you don’t score or shoot well. Many former fan favorites couldn’t throw the ball in the ocean. What they care about is that you defend with a lot of energy, get physical, dive for loose balls, make good decisions with the ball, have good shot selection, and play with a passion to win.

      Randle is a walking bad decision.

      Each and every time he drives into a double team and it ends with a horrible shot that he misses or a TO it’s noticed.

      Each and every time he leaps into the air and then throws away a pass it’s noticed.

      Each and every time he’s whining to the officials, doesn’t get back, and the other team scores it’s noticed.

      Each and every time his energy level drops and he’s not playing hard it’s noticed.

      etc..

      Just play hard on both sides and make good decisions and it will all resolve itself. He has the skills to be a good player. He’s just dazed and confused about what that means and how to do it. He trying to be what he’s not and when he fails at it, that compounds the problem.

    28. If you stay with Randle, Thibs needs to fix his game and attitude, and the FO needs to unclog the middle by moving Mitch and getting a Myles Turner type. But both have to happen. If the coaching/FO consensus is to move on from Randle, move him by the deadline. Maintaining the status quo is not a viable option because the problem is not going to fix itself.

      I agree with you, but I’m not convinced Myles Turner is the answer. His ability to space the floor better is part of the solution for Randle and RJ, but he may present a different kind of problem. He’s unhappy because he wants a bigger role. IMO he doesn’t deserve it. I sense he’s not a “team” guy. Plus, I think Mitch’s development has been stymied by missed time and constant injuries, I see signs of him improving. Dreams of him stretching out may be more of a fantasy than long term plan based on his FTs, but it feels like he’s going to get a lot better in other ways. I have mixed feelings about trading him to bring Turner here.

    29. Count de Pennies:
      20-21 w/ empty arenas: peak Randle
      21-22 w/ full arenas: pique Randle

      So, to get Randle to reverse to the mean, we need to have MSG at 50% capacity. Is that it? :D

    30. Weird night to be someone’s tipping point with Randle. He wasn’t very good because he shot 1-7, but he didn’t force things and gum up the offense.

    31. Hubert, if we get a critical mass I am in.

      Maybe I’m too cynical, but I think Randle’s contract is viewed as an albatross around the league already. Normally that would pretty much never be the case for a healthy 27 year old less than a season removed from a genuinely excellent campaign, but with all of the data indicating 2020-2021 was anomalous league wide I see this ending with us attaching picks to move him.

      I could definitely be wrong as I thought the same thing about Melo’s contract and we somehow got minimal but existent assets for him. That may have been the result of Paul George and Russell Westbrook banging the table though, which I don’t think anyone is doing for Randle.

      Basically the only kind of team I could see being interested in him is a team that:
      1) wants to contend
      2) has no other avenues to upgrade
      3) has mediocre/bad money on their books to make a trade work

      The current Lakers come to mind, so we’ll see if anything happens there.

    32. There is no reason to trade Randle!

      Right now his value is low. He just signed an extension and he’s having a rough year. But this too shall pass and his contract if he’s playing better than what he is doing now but not as good as last year is a good contract. Especially for someone who is healthy and in their prime.

      The season is not lost but it’s found money in the sense that we’re still ahead of ourselves as far as being contenders for anything. RJ is a few years away from being in his prime. So is Mitch, Obi, IQ, Grimes and McBride. So are our future draft picks. We have placeholder vets on the team right now that won’t be here in 2 seasons time. Let’s ride it out. Trying to move him now is exactly what a badly managed team would do. Guarantee you if we attach picks to move him to somewhere else, we will deeply regret it down the road either in the form of Randle bouncing back or one of those picks turning into a good player (or both).

    33. The Sixers trying to drum up offers by Simmons by trying to add Tobias Harris to the package is hilarious. Just make Morey the POTUS if he pulls that off

    34. I think Randle needs a mental coach in the mold of Tim Grover to get his head right. Thibs has been too easy on him so an outside third party would be best.

      His attitude has been garbage this year and effort at times questionable. I understand his frustration that he gave us everything last year, first winning season in nearly a decade, and then hears boos from his fans the next year. But he simply has to play better. He should be hard on himself just as much as we are hard on him.

      I got nothing against the guy and his teammates seem to like him – despite him scolding them unnecessary. But he’s got to get right, tune out the noise, and work on the things that has him in a funk.

      Despite all this we are still in the play-in conversation and I see no reason why we can’t improve late in season like we did last year.

    35. ptmilo:
      not much of a boobird, but i think it’s relevant than randle knows more ways to sulk with body language than the eight-time estonian charades champion.randomly picked example i happened to remember from last night…why exactly are you putting your head down and going standing-limp here instead of running back on defense?bc fournier got stripped while you were sealing?fournier fucking beat you down court while they were shooting an open three.come on.

      https://tinyurl.com/2p8wj75a

      I think I was kinda on the fence… i know he gets back slow time to time, etc… but just watching that unfold like he sulked because he had position and founier didnt pass and then fournier also happens to turn it over… like wtf, guy, grow up… i imagine the rest of the team feels that way about him pretty often and they still do what theyre supposed to do… thats piss poor… to hell with julius randle… this man got his and now hes basically done…

    36. So it turns out my positive Covid test was a false positive. Myself, wife and kid all tested negative on the PCR test.

      So, uh, yay for that. It took a full week to get the PCR test results back, so that was a week down the drain, but whatevs.

    37. SoNiceWeShowItTwice: But he simply has to play better.

      Most simply he has to play harder. If Julius is seen charging up and down the floor and diving for balls and exhorting his teammates (positively), being in a shooting slump is what it is. I’m sure that there are morons in the stands who hate it when he misses a shot (!), but for most of us it’s the poor attitude, not the poor play, that makes us yell at our screens.

      Well, I kind of hate the turnovers. But seriously, just look like you give a fuck.

      Having said all that, the fact that Julius rebounded hard and deferred to his teammates in at least the second half of the last game was kind of cool. He recognized that something is wrong with his shot and he didn’t force it. So I give him that.

    38. DRed: The Sixers trying to drum up offers by Simmons by trying to add Tobias Harris to the package is hilarious.Just make Morey the POTUS if he pulls that off

      Randle + Burks + Kemba + Fournier + Knox + 2x 1RP for Simmons + Tobias + Thybulle
      Who says no?
      Knicks new starting 5: Simmons, RJ, Thybulle, Tobias, Mitch.
      We wouldn’t score a lot, but good luck in trying to score against our team. LOL

    39. thenoblefacehumper:

      Maybe I’m too cynical, but I think Randle’s contract is viewed as an albatross around the league already. Normally that would pretty much never be the case for a healthy 27 year old less than a season removed from a genuinely excellent campaign, but with all of the data indicating 2020-2021 was anomalous league wide I see this ending with us attaching picks to move him.

      Basically the only kind of team I could see being interested in him is a team that:
      1) wants to contend
      2) has no other avenues to upgrade
      3) has mediocre/bad money on their books to make a trade work

      The current Lakers come to mind, so we’ll see if anything happens there.

      If this is the case, and I agree that it might be, there is no reason to trade him now at his current value. The Knicks should do everything they can to try to help him revert to whatever his mean is and trade him at that point-next season. To attach assets to get rid of Randle now would be an admission by FO that they erred in giving him the contract. As for being serious buyers before trade deadline, I am dubious about that. While another Covid impacted season yields the remote possibility of a Bulls- Grizz final, there are no possible upgrades in our roster this season that gets us to the ECF.

    40. I can’t understand a Grant trade if we don’t get rid of Randle,
      those two together (with RJ and Mitch!) are a spacing and shooting nightmare.

      Rumors are growing that we’re into it and the presumed cost is crazy (see for instance the Athletic).

      Until denied by the facts I’m still positive this FO will avoid “same old Knicks” things, and maybe the Lakers will save us…

    41. I think Leon runs a very agent friendly FO, he will let them leak that the Knicks are interested in anybody

    42. What the knicks need more than anything right now is a proven winner. I say, sign the eight-time charade champ Estonian kid.

    43. Julius just had a kid; it could be just lack of sleep or dealing with a series private/health type issues. His head and heart are clearly not present with the same intensity and focus as they were last year when entire roster looked up to him; It could be his warrior mentality actually hurting him; it may be best that he shuts it down for a week or two and instead solely focus on what ever the distraction is.

      Fans will not and should not look the other way on lack of effort and passive body language from their best player on a near max franchise type contract at 27 yrs old. Especially, when everyone knows he’s capable of being better, if focused and motivated.

    44. this from the Bobby Marks article on espn regarding trade deadline considerations for each team…this (obviously) was part of his knicks write up…he wants them to trade knox/mitch to okc for derek favors and a 1st rd pick(phoenix’s pick in 2022)

      “Despite an underachieving season, the Knicks need to continue to take a long-term approach with this roster. There is no disgruntled All-Star available to turn the Knicks from a team fighting for a play-in spot back into a top-four team in the Eastern Conference.

      The front office should put the nine first-round picks at their disposal, lock them away and wait until the right trade materializes rather than chasing a short-term fix.

      Instead the focus should be on getting what they can for Robinson and Knox, a pair of 2018 draft picks. Both are set to enter free agency in the offseason, and New York should be looking to trade both of them before that happens, rather than losing them for nothing.”

    45. They need to “soft build” around RJ and IQ and Fournier, IOW make all the games look like last night’s in terms of Randle’s role. Then tweak that to get Julius to the better positions on the floor so that his shot chart looks more like TNFH is calling for. Pelican Julius, young and improving RJ and IQ, and a decent, albeit injured player in Fournier at least gives you something you can squint at and say, “Yeah, that might work.” (*)

      It’s certainly a way better idea than Alpha Julius, which is not working, will not work, and actively gets in the way of RJ and IQ.

      (*) And then, I’d really be into seeing that with an actual 5 who can stretch the floor, but that’s beyond the immediate scope of the comment. First things first.

    46. If Randle’s attitude and effort don’t change and he shows he wont make the necessary sacrificises to be the 2nd best player on a champoionship team, – then Leon’s goal should be to trade 4-5 draft picks and any two players on our roster that the other team wants for a bonafide young top 25 player. (Jokiq, LaVine, KAT, SpiderMan, etc).

    47. The day we trade Randle for Jokic will be a great one because we will have a bonafide star finally and also climate change will have been solved because the entire Earth will have frozen over.

    48. Owen:
      The day we trade Randle for Jokic will be a great one because we will have a bonafide star finally and also climate change will have been solved because the entire Earth will have frozen over.

      Snowpiercer!!

    49. Owen, he said any two players plus picks, so we can trade Kevin and Kemba plus picks for Jokic.

    50. he wants them to trade knox/mitch to okc for derek favors and a 1st rd pick(phoenix’s pick in 2022

      If the Knicks have decided they don’t want Mitch back they should absolutely trade him, but that proposed deal sucks. We’d probably get stuck with Favors (I am assuming nobody wants to pay him more than 10 million for 2022-23 and he picks up his option)

    51. I wasn’t saying we should be looking to trade Randle immediately, but if an opportunity to trade him in an asset neutral deal materialized I gotta say I’d be pretty tempted. He could definitely improve his value, but the flip side of that is he is also basically worsening it with each passing game at this point.

      Macri mentioned a Buddy Hield distressed asset swap, and while Buddy Hield mostly sucks, he’s easier to fit into a team concept, has a shorter and less expensive contract, and as the Lakers saga from this off-season demonstrates is more likely to be tradable. If we could get the Kings to throw in more, even better.

      I hate that Mitch trade, but thankfully I think there’s zero chance it happens. If we trade Mitch we might as well do a full tear down because losing Mitch alone would make us a lot worse, and I don’t think a full tear down is in the cards.

    52. DRed: If the Knicks have decided they don’t want Mitch back they should absolutely trade him, but that proposed deal sucks.We’d probably get stuck with Favors (I am assuming nobody wants to pay him more than 10 million for 2022-23 and he picks up his option)

      Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but we don’t stand to have any significant amount of cap space as things currently stand so Favors’ money for next year has a pretty minimal impact. At least that’s the theory of it. I’d strongly consider it if Mitch isn’t in the long-term plans; the front office presumably has a lot more info on what kind of contract he’s looking for which is a critical piece of info we don’t have.

    53. There’s a report the Knicks are interested in Cam Reddish.

      That should make a few heads explode.

    54. I’d trade a future 2nd for Reddish, if he agreed to a 4-year, $12M deal.

    55. Deeefense!!:
      There’s a report the Knicks are interested in Cam Reddish.

      That should make a few heads explode.

      He’s only 22 and has been improving from year to year. I’d give more than a second round pick for him. We could trade Knox and a draft pick for him.

    56. it’s not that.
      It’s the number of times you can count the seconds before he appears on the side of the screen while we’re attacking/defending 4 vs 5.
      It’s the body language, the scowl, the shrugged shoulders.
      It’s the dumb bad defended and-1, followed by the stare to teammates to duck the blame.
      It’s the “it’s your fault” look every time he tosses a pass into the stands.
      Add the thumbs down and the STFU and we’re here.

      i really wish all that wasn’t so true…hopefully he matures, quickly…would help him on the court also most likely…

      excited for this grizz/warriors game…

    57. Reddish kind of looks the part of good NBA player from time to time but has never actually achieved that status. A 2nd conditional on him signing an insanely team-friendly deal that he would never sign sounds about right. In other words, pass.

    58. Just look at how open the lane is on both ends, every possession. Just doesn’t happen for the Knicks.

    59. the ball is moving around all over the place, with both defenses doing a good job of making things hard…

      final thought on julius for a while, maybe this is a turning point for him…the truth for him is out there – hitting him from all sides…at this moment in life, i got to imagine he is inundated with it…

      he can either dig his heels in even deeper and fight it, or, submit…and hopefully grow…and, most importantly – play better basketball for us here in KB world…

    60. Does Cam Reddish play good defense or does he just rack up a lot of steals? You can squint and almost see a 3&D player.

      How motivated is Zion to reunite his Duke team that didn’t win the NCAA tournament?

      I’m not giving up much for Cam, but we could use some defense at the 3.

    61. Owen:
      God I wish I was a Grizzlies fan

      The Grizz have made some smart moves, but if the ping pong balls bounce differently and we get #2 and they get #3, which team do you think would be better right now?

    62. They won 8 of 9 or something without Ja I think I would still like their chances.

      They have a ton of useful young players. We have…..maybe a few of those.

      But yes, swap RJ for Ja and our outlook would be considerably improved, a point I bring up periodically to torture myself.

      I think I like Grant Hill. Certainly better than most ex players.

    63. I think I like Grant Hill. Certainly better than most ex players.

      i was so thankful this game didn’t have mark jackson’s voice associated with it when i first tuned in…great game…

    64. And Zhaire Williams having a breakout game you usually see against the Knoicks. I thought he was supposed to be a bust but he can catch a baseline lob.

    65. Bing Bong Hits: Ja Morant’s pick, roll and lob game is unreal.

      Zach Lowe said this, and I generally think he’s turned into a minor ESPN talking head toadie, but Ja can create any shot at any time. He really is an amazing talent.

      And we missed him by one slot.

    66. It’s been said before but that game was like watching a different sport than whatever it is the Knicks do.

      We need an elite talent(s) in the worst god damn way.

    67. thenoblefacehumper:
      It’s been said before but that game was like watching a different sport than whatever it is the Knicks do.

      We need an elite talent(s) in the worst god damn way.

      We haven’t drafted an elite talent since Ewing. And it really just takes one to turn a franchise around.

    68. This Grizzlies breakout season is so fun to watch, it can even make me stop imagining a full MSG reacting to a Ja Morant big dunk in the playoffs for a few moments. Then the pain returns.

    69. it’s a shame no one wants to answer Mike K’s trivia on the other thread cuz I could go deep as hell. Maybe we should make this into a game of liar’s poker. I can name 18 players who played for the Knicks and Mavs. Call or raise.

    70. Yeah, Clarke and Jackson played good defense in the fourth quarter and Clarke did all his usual offensive work.

      I predict a post from Hubert about how he just made a bet on the Griz to win it all at 66-1.

    71. hubert i’m gonna do you a favor and flash an ace

      eddy curry
      steve novak
      kurt thomas
      brian quinnett

    72. awww sorry to hear for your loss hubie…mark me down for 2023…wait – is it gonna be cold?

      37 degrees, holy cow…

      when was your first game together?

    73. just saw ’93…that’s pretty cool…

      can’t imagine what it would have been like to grow up in the city…probably hard to live anywhere else now…

    74. Only one ace, pt?

      Johnny Newman
      Howard Eisley
      Doug Christie
      Amar’e Stoudemire
      my namesake, Hubert Davis
      and the best KB knickname of all time… Extra E Shawne Williams

    75. sorry for the confusion, geo… my dad is alive. I just want to keep him that way, that’s why no knicks game this year!

    76. Hubert is this a safety thing or he literally cannot attend a basketball game

    77. my dad is fine, he’s just 75 years old so I won’t go to a game with him. Sorry for the confusion.

      tip of the hat for Brian Quinnett, ptmilo. that mention sent me down a rabbit hole that ended with me checking to see if the great Knick, Eric Anderson, ever played for the Mavs.

      He did not, but I found two surprising things about Eric:

      1. He passed away in 2018

      2. His wife was Tracy Anderson, she of the famous Tracy Anderson Method.

    78. ess-dog:
      39/8/7 and 5 steals for Deuce in tonight’s Westchester game… not too shabby.

      “Shut the fuck up, Thibs!”

      So sayeth the Deuce…

    79. I can’t play because I’m 3000 miles from the Garden, and don’t want covid even if I wasn’t. But…

      Herb Williams
      Scott Brooks
      Erick Strickland
      Tim Thomas

    80. Both were mentioned in the giveaway thread, but it’s still amusing/sad that we imported both halves of what had been a very successful Mavericks backcourt, only to find that Blackman had little left and Harper, while still good (he’d have been the Finals MVP if we won), had grown fragile.

    81. I was trying to come up with a kid that played for both teams, and the first name that came up was Jason.

    82. if you count head coaches, 20% of the Mav’s head coaches also were Knicks HC, and another 20% played for the Knicks.

    83. They really are the Knicks west. And add to that our best player (cof, cof) being from Dallas.

    84. Well, not to depress us even more, but not only did we miss out on Ja by 1 pick, we also didn’t pick Darius Garland when we could have, who is averaging a cool 19.4 points and 7.3 assists on a TS of 58.4, sporting 47/38/90 splits. Mobley has been amazing, but without a doubt Garland is a huge part of why Cleveland has been so good this year.

      And re: our team – there’s a straight line between our disappointing first half and that Randle and RJ have taken a step back. RJ seems to have straightened himself out a bit… hopefully that carries forward. Randle needs to stop chirping at the fans and just play with more effort defensively. Knick fans will forgive bad shooting but they don’t forgive jogging up the court and halfhearted lazy defense. Remember how the crowd reacted that time Burks was hounding some ballhandler all over the court? NY fans respond to effort — and that’s what’s been missing this year as compared to last year. Stop responding to the fans, stop yelling at refs, and get back on D.

    85. If I was back in NY I would certainly be trying for those tix today. Alas, I think I’ll hit the driving range a little later :)

    86. As for Randle, I am extremely worried that the problem isn’t his reaction to fans or the fans booing. The problem is much deeper. It indeed stems from the Atlanta series last season. The Hawks figured out how to deal with Randle and Randle hasn’t or couldn’t adjust. Maybe he will, but right now he looks like toast.

      It looks like the way to handle Randle is to double him and look for steals as he tries to find his outlets.

      What is perplexing is how bad he is shooting. If he could just hit those jumpers, he has a chance. But it’s apparent that there’s a defensive strategy that can work against him.

    87. @Frank –
      True, we missed out on Ja by one pick. But between Garland and RJ, I’m not sure the story has been written.

      But the defensive effort is definitely a game changer. The Knicks are not a team that wins games where they don’t play hard on defense.

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