Knicks Morning News (2021.12.03)

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    1. This is probably the worst time to ask this, but is it too soon to pull Burks out of the starting lineup for Quickley once RJ is back? I really love the way we play with Burks running the point- but shouldn’t the offense be more effective with Quickley at the 1 and the bench being led by Burks and Rose? I know Quickley and Toppin play well together, but I thing a 2nd 5 of Rose/Grimes/Burks/Toppin/Noel would be just as good as the current second unit- knowing Grimes can shoot it and seeing his defense already being NBA ready. And don’t forget- Grimes was a PG before Houston- so he and Burks can be very capable secondary playmaker while allowing Rose to be the primary. I’d like to see Thibs try it when RJ is back. The spacing in that starting 5 would be ridiculous and allow the same playmaking that we have with Burks starting. I’m thinking this also allows better minutes distribution, as Thibs doesn’t necessarily have to play Grimes 20 or so minutes a night

      Thoughts?

    2. Woke up frustrated, but obviously not as much as Randle…

      Game management from the players and the coach down the stretch was terrible as usual… when we score late, i feel like we’re lucky or its simply a %s / law of averages thing. when the bulls scored late, it felt like a plan, or a vision… at least a realistic one.

      There was a possession where IQ wasnt allowed to be IQ, or he was at least afraid to be himself… because we have to go into some late game shell where the offense has to start and end with Randle… fuck that… and fuck my language selection

    3. Totes McGoats as Totes McGoats:
      This is probably the worst time to ask this, but is it too soon to pull Burks out of the starting lineup for Quickley once RJ is back?

      Thoughts?

      I would 100% do it… but you know Thibs had to have A LOT of conviction to make the initial change… so i bet he’s gonna dig in on the rationale to keep it for now…

      also, unrelated… i understand Kemba is not in the rotation… but at what point would / could we use that bullet in a spot up shooting situation, even as a decoy…

    4. Totes McGoats as Totes McGoats: I really love the way we play with Burks running the point- but shouldn’t the offense be more effective with Quickley at the 1 and the bench being led by Burks and Rose?

      Interesting idea, but I think Thibs is dead set on a PG who can beat his man and “drive and kick” as he says monotonously in basically every press conference. “Drive and kick” is burned in Thibs’s brain since he had one of the best in young Derek Rose. Fine. And this season Thibs thought he was getting that guy in Kemba — nope. To your question, I think Thibs believes Burks is better than Quickly at exactly that “drive and kick.” He’s prolly right.

      Where IQ excels (IMO) is getting the team running. DRose now does that too. Both of them even do that off the other team’s made shots. And together with Obi (and I would argue RJ), this could be a good lineup and maybe the (better?) future of our team.

      By contrast, as we all bemoan, our starters (and our closers) bring the ball up methodically, and then Julius just pounds the ball through the floor until he makes a fallaway or else loses the ball by spinning like a dervish. Then he complains while the other team races down the floor (sound familiar?). I’m not sure IQ solves that problem.

      Biggest problem for the season: I’m not sure Thibs has many (any?) other offensive wrinkles up his sleeve. We’ve all been complaining about the lack of lobs. There has been no two man game between Julius and E4 since, what, game 2?. And once a game our guys score off a simple pick and roll. Clyde reminds us it is the oldest play in basketball, and our entire board lights up in joy. But then they never run it again.

      We comeback thanks to “run like hell” bball pushed by IQ, DRose, Burks, Obi. I love watching it, but Thibs/we need some kind of offense for when the game is tight (or just started).

    5. Trivia Question for ptmilo:

      Which former Purdue Fort Wayne Mastadon is currently 19 for his last 22 in the NBA?

    6. We knew coming into this season were weren’t a serious contender and may have even taken a step back because the division is tougher and the defense would be weaker, but you can always hope. lol

      I think we are at the stage now where the focus (of fans like us at least) should be on how the development of the young players is going and who is available via trade this year or free agency next year to plug our obvious hole at starting PG and #1 option.

      I’m going to try to stop bashing Randle. The way he plays is very frustrating to me because I think purposeful ball and player movement is how you get higher quality shots when you lack the extreme talent of some teams. Watching Randle hold the ball, dribble into traffic, and either throw up a terrible shot or turn the ball over gives me flashbacks to Melo. He’s a guy that’s not a #1 option on a good team, but he plays like he thinks he’s a superstar. I have to stop putting all the blame on him. In part he’s being asked to do too much because we don’t have a true #1 on the team.

      McBride is still tearing up the G League. I still think at some point he should get a chance at PG so we can find out if he is a PG or another undersized combo guard.

    7. I was quite surprised to see that Lonzo is shooting 43% from 3 this year, even with last night’s 2-10 stinkfest.

    8. Deeefense!!: He’s a guy that’s not a #1 option on a good team, but he plays like he thinks he’s a superstar. I have to stop putting all the blame on him. In part he’s being asked to do too much because we don’t have a true #1 on the team.

      What’s strange is Randle only became a hero by default last year b/c he had license/encouragement to shoot whenever he wanted. That plus the necessary narrative of all teams must have one star may have messed up Randle’s head a little. The question is: can Randle “unlearn” that hero mentality OR else become that guy. He’s only 27 (EDIT).

      From the top of the season guys like Fournier were saying, “I’m really just here to lighten the load on Julius.” That thinking defaults to Julius being the closer. Last night he was on the floor with four guards at the end (4!) and he was dribbling into traffic. That’s just not right. Thibs has to fix that.

    9. Zach Lowe is reporting that ISM officially changed teams over the summer:

      The Cavs are 12-10 with the league’s No. 3-ranked defense and ninth-best point differential. If that defense is anything like real, the Cavs will hang in the play-in race.

      The only red flag: Their opponents have hit 32.9% on 3s, third lowest overall.

    10. My takeaway from last night is that it was great to have Mitch back. That’s the best he has looked all year when he wasn’t completely dog tired.

    11. I don’t follow the Cavs much, but I remember reading an article quite awhile back that said they were focusing their rebuild on trying to become a top defensive team. Apparently it’s working and becoming successful even if they are still early in the process.

    12. I get the frustration, and I only watched the 4th but it doesn’t look like Randle lost the game last night. He came back with 6 minutes remaining and the Knicks down 3. From then on he scored 4 short range 2 pointers, made a good pass to E4 who missed a 3, and made another good pass to Rose who missed a 3. He also had 2 very good plays on defense, saving baskets. On the flip side he missed 2 of 3 from the line and had a crucial TO.

      This is not a superstar taking over a game, but also not a Melloball tragedy. If anything the guy who wasn’t great at the last minutes was IQ, who missed a layup, missed a 3, hesitated to shoot another, and didn’t do anything that a good PG should do, i.e. steady the offense and get himself or others open shots.

    13. I haven’t seen McBride since summer league, and it’s nice to hear that he’s playing well in the G League, but I’ll be very surprised if he turns out to be an NBA-level point guard. He does look much more like a combo guard to me. The main reason is he can’t beat anybody off the dribble, he does not have a quick first step. He is also a very vanilla passer, so when you combine that with a slow first step… Not a PG.

      I think his ceiling is “Frank Ntilikina, but good.” Miles’ defense is very strong, he moves laterally very well and is strong for a guy his size. I really don’t see a PG in him though.

    14. I think we probably win if Mitch didnt get gassed at the end. Him getting his legs back in a month or so should help a lot

    15. The turnovers Randle commits are often Brutalist masterpieces.

      You honestly could not construct a more exquisitely painful possession than the one which ended in the Caruso strip. Like watching a man taking an axe in slow motion.

      I don’t know. The Knicks are entertaining and decent and the Garden is lively. I’d rather have Evan Mobley but it’s not all bad.

    16. Rokas looks much more like a PG than Miles. He can actually get to the rim when he wants and is playing against much better competition.

    17. If somebody could tell Randle, his coaches, and teammates that he should never be bringing the ball up from the backcourt, that’d be great. Let him do Randle things, just give him the ball at the top of the 3 point line if he wants to drive with it.

    18. JK47: I really don’t see a PG in him though.

      I think I can agree to disagree with this take, JK. Way too early to tell, but I could envision him turning into a slightly taller, defensively more tenacious, possibly better shooting out of the gate Kyle Lowry. Kyle did (does) nothing great but everything good. He does have a mastery of the game, making players around him better, which is a big question mark for most rookie point guards at the NBA level (except perhaps LaMelo).

    19. ***The Cavs are 12-10 with the league’s No. 3-ranked defense and ninth-best point differential. If that defense is anything like real, the Cavs will hang in the play-in race. The only red flag: Their opponents have hit 32.9% on 3s, third lowest overall.***

      They sound like the 2020-2021 New York Knicks. (Sell your Cavs stock while it’s high:)

    20. He does look much more like a combo guard to me. The main reason is he can’t beat anybody off the dribble, he does not have a quick first step.

      yeah i also think of him as more of an undersized combo guard. visionboard thank you god upside somewhere in the middle of mario chalmers and george hill on one hand and marcus smart alvin robertson on the other. interested to see what his defense looks like against high end nba pgs.

    21. mcbride is the first guy i can ever remember having a minor crush on relative to his draft expectations who we actually landed. maybe balkman a little. sad face.

    22. KB Apprentice: Last night he was on the floor with four guards at the end (4!) and he was dribbling into traffic. That’s just not right. Thibs has to fix that.

      Clyde: “Sometimes the ball dribbles you”

    23. Anyone saying that Mitch played well must have been watching a different game than me. How many times did he forget to guard Vucevic at the 3 pt line? It was like watching instant replay only it wasn’t.

    24. DudeInKnicksTown:
      Anyone saying that Mitch played well must have been watching a different game than me. How many times did he forget to guard Vucevic at the 3 pt line? It was like watching instant replay only it wasn’t.

      some will say there was PnR action, and sometimes there was.. but a lot of the time, mitch just didnt move from the paint.. he watched as vucevic did his best steve kerr impression

    25. I’m just looking forward to the 2024 season when we roll out our Rokas / RJ / Kendall Brown / Obi / Mitch starting lineup.

      All this vet placeholder action is a little humdrum.

    26. Giving Deuce time in Westchester is exactly what they should have done with Frank and Knox. I still don’t understand why it it wasn’t done.

    27. 28 ppg, 7.7 asts, and 5.3 rebs ain’t bad.

      Let’s hope he’s not learning any bad habits defensively though, as the team seems to suck on that end based on scores (I haven’t watched them).

    28. Apparently, Scott Perry is one of the leading candidates to succeed Olshey, due to his ties to Billups from their Detroit days. While I think he’s definitely done some good things here — and some inexcusable things, like believing in Fizdale and/or Knox — I also would not mind seeing him go.

    29. i’m not sure, doesn’t he help pick the roster, or, maybe he just helps negotiate contracts…on a side note – was just thinking to myself this morning that i don’t think i’ve watched a complete game resulting in a knick loss this season…

      cuz, still doing what donnie does, smartly rationing my emotional output in to the knicks…

      the way of doing what donnie does, continues to be the gift that gives season after season…

      #pursuinghappiness

      you still out there in the hills running?

      think i’m getting closer to taking to the streets again (sidewalks actually) and doing some very light jogging…i’ve never understood why some folks like to run in the road, see it all the time, just don’t get it…

      ugh, trying not to eat too much this week, cuz i ate sooooo much last week…

    30. we should let scott perry go join the blazers, but before he goes we guarantee him that whenever his contract is up we will sign him back for 1 year & $10mm if he consummates a trade for Lillard with us.

    31. It’s not really clear to me the role Scott Perry plays or the contracts he’s responsible for. I have no real problem with Perry, but neither am I convinced he’s good.

      We need another insider look article to get published out of nowhere. But with the team struggling this year I doubt it happens. That’s just throwing people under the bus.

    32. To tie both thread topics together, Deuce would slot in nicely next to point-Burks. He’s got the wingspan to switch on defense and is way better on that end than Fournier looked last night.

      Food for thought whenever we decide Fournier should go the Kemba route.

    33. Last in my string of consecutive posts, we should draft 3 centers next year. Rostering 7 centers should be enough to have at least 2 healthy every game.

    34. Alan:
      Apparently, Scott Perry is one of the leading candidates to succeed Olshey, due to his ties to Billups from their Detroit days. While I think he’s definitely done some good things here — and some inexcusable things, like believing in Fizdale and/or Knox — I also would not mind seeing him go.

      Picking your lead basketball decision maker because of ties to a head coach for whom the early returns seem shaky at best would certainly be a choice.

    35. OT

      Absolutely epic game in the world chess championship today. It was 7 hours and 45 minutes. The champion broke through to take the lead in the match.

    36. “The guy is a great offensive player and you just don’t know how to use him, that’s really what you’re saying,” Smith said

      I kind of think that’s true, but it misses the other point, which is that this particular Ferrari is completely broken, defensively. So you can’t actually drive it more than 30 mph. And the horrible rattling noise it makes is so embarrassing it’s better just to leave it in the garage

    37. Big Chiefin’ as Phatt Gandalf:
      i’m not sure, doesn’t he help pick the roster, or, maybe he just helps negotiate contracts…on a side note – was just thinking to myself this morning that i don’t think i’ve watched a complete game resulting in a knick loss this season…

      cuz, still doing what donnie does, smartly rationing my emotional output in to the knicks…

      the way of doing what donnie does, continues to be the gift that gives season after season…

      #pursuinghappiness

      you still out there in the hills running?

      think i’m getting closer to taking to the streets again (sidewalks actually) and doing some very light jogging…i’ve never understood why some folks like to run in the road, see it all the time, just don’t get it…

      ugh, trying not to eat too much this week, cuz i ate sooooo much last week…

      Geo, you might want to wear a heartrate monitor and keep your heartrate at 180 minus your age for awhile. I wish that I could jog again so I’ll be living vicariously through you.

    38. i jut realized, i never watch post games after a loss…maybe i’m not really that much a fan at all anymore…

    39. Raven:
      “The guy is a great offensive player and you just don’t know how to use him, that’s really what you’re saying,” Smith said

      I kind of think that’s true, but it misses the other point, which is that this particular Ferrari is completely broken, defensively. So you can’t actually drive it more than 30 mph. And the horrible rattling noise it makes is so embarrassing it’s better just to leave it in the garage

      I agree…his offense is still useful..but his dee is like when the old jalopy starts burning oil and you piss off other drivers by leaving them in that cloud every time you accelerate…

    40. Kenny Smith doesn’t seem to realize the problem with Kemba is that with Randle, Fournier, and RJ on the court, Kemba is not going to get as many opportunities on offense. So he has to bring something else to the table, but he’s been terrible on defense and he was never pass first PG. That’s why I’ve been whining about that lineup since almost the start of the season. Thibs gave it 20 games. What you can argue is that it was rather extreme to take him out of the rotation entirely. He can still shoot and score and could be more productive off the bench.

    41. you might want to wear a heartrate monitor and keep your heartrate at 180 minus your age for awhile

      thanks dude, i like that formula…shoot, it ain’t gonna be no pretty sight to see :)

      you’re absolutely right though – having the ability to run a few miles is a true blessing, and a good bit of physical maintenance as the years pile up…

      it was nice, the last time the boys came over they were on their scooters and i was just running behind them, we didn’t go very far and stopped a bunch…was thinking about us getting out there this weekend, instead of using my bike, just try to keep up running behind them…

      it’s funny, our weekend “fitness” destination is a donut shop about a mile or so away from the house :)

    42. Miles McBride is going to be our starting PG soon, and will be the best Knicks PG since Clyde. Or something like that.

      Seriously, looking at that highlight reel from Deuce makes me feel really excited about his future. He’s got all kinds of moves at all 3 levels, he sees the court well, and is physically ready for the NBA right now. I hope he gets an opportunity soon.

    43. hostess donettes – double chocolate…what a shame that came to mind so easily…

      i should probably be weighing in below the mendoza line, not really that too far off a stretch to achieve…i lack both will and desire though, so, yeah, that’s an issue…

      about the biggest motivating factor in my life for dropping pounds is of course to make my penis look bigger while looking in the mirror, maybe i could just get a different mirror…cuz, it’s all science…

    44. Seriously, looking at that highlight reel from Deuce makes me feel really excited about his future. He’s got all kinds of moves at all 3 levels, he sees the court well, and is physically ready for the NBA right now. I hope he gets an opportunity soon.

      there’s not exactly a lot of talent in front of him at the NBA level

    45. BBA made the point yesterday that in close games vs. against most good teams, the other team has the best player on the court. The only guy on our roster right now (other than Deuce McBride) who has the potential to be the best player on the court against most teams is Julius. Rose will have his nights, Burks will have his nights, Fournier will have his nights, etc., but Julius has to work through his issues for us to be more successful. I think he’s made progress in the last two games, for example, working from the inside out rather than chucking up 3’s. I’m going to be very patient with him, being that he’s really our only consistent hope for beating most good teams.

    46. Perry negotiates all the contracts and I think negotiates trade details. All of our trade prices and contract details have been reasonable or very good since he’s been here. He managed to trade Melo for a good package despite a no trade clause. I think he helps us and I would be sorry to see him go.

    47. @cybersoze @KB Apprentice
      Sorry guys and thanks for the support, It’s been a busy week and some “technical kinks” makes write the grades a little cumbersome, but they’ll be back to annoy everyone, maybe not for the Nuggets’ game but soon…

    48. I’m optimistic regarding Deuce McBride but pessimistic on Phat geo achieving his ultimate goal.

    49. i can do it dude, i just have to find the will…it seems it comes in limited supply for me…

      been thinking a bunch lately about how much a quality of life improvement it would be to retire (except for the money thing of course) – even if i don’t optimize the 8 to 9 hours each day that i would normally spend working, i’m convinced i would spend at least a couple of hours doing life stuff focused on getting and keeping my shit together for day to day existence, and spend maybe at least another hour or so engaged in fitness…

      sometime around february i’ll change offices from here in the warehouse to over at our corporate hq’s…who cares if i’m looking a little “puffy” in my office at the warehouse – it’s a warehouse, with warehouse folks…vanity demands i at least try to get my shit together before i’m sitting behind some other desk, where potentially more attractive strangers can see and judge me…

    50. Max:
      @cybersoze @KB Apprentice
      Sorry guys and thanks for the support, It’s been a busy week and some “technical kinks” makes write the grades a little cumbersome, but they’ll be back to annoy everyone, maybe not for the Nuggets’ game but soon…

      NP. Get yourself right, first. We here ;-)

    51. Um, Golden State? They already have a point power forward, only theirs makes good decisions with the ball.

    52. I like Julius and he’s on a reasonable contract. Neither Wiggins or Moody is as good as he is. Why would we make that trade.

    53. KevinR:
      Wiggins can never be allowed to put on a Knicks uniform

      Take a lesson from Sisyphus, it’s best to just enjoy your fate. Embrace Wiggins.

    54. Uh, let’s just stop right there. The Warriors ain’t trading shit from their starting lineup. I don’t think they’d trade bench players for Randle right now. Do you guys realize their SRS is currently higher than their Durant & Curry superteam that went 16-1 in the playoffs?

    55. Westies played tonight.

      McBride: 23 points, 11 assists, 8 rebounds 8/15 FGA, 3/7 3PM

      Samanic: 36 points, 12 rebounds, 15/26 FGA, 2/7 3PM

    56. There are two non-Knick non-trades that still perplex me one year later. One is why the Celtics didn’t take Myles Turner for Hayward. The other is why the Rockets complicated their Harden deal to avoid ending up with Jarrett Allen. A bird in the hand is worth all the cap space and flexibility the bush can offer. And even the Thunder, who you can’t beat in a race to the bottom, knew to net the best young prospect in a trade and lock him up.

    57. The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      Uh, let’s just stop right there. The Warriors ain’t trading shit from their starting lineup. I don’t think they’d trade bench players for Randle right now. Do you guys realize their SRS is currently higher than their Durant & Curry superteam that went 16-1 in the playoffs?

      Well the twist is RJ is going to turn into the player we thought Wiggins was. Twists are more Oedipus’s fate than Sisyphus, but still.

    58. I guess there’s not really a trade out there for the Knicks. At least Burks has been promoted. Now all they have to do is:

      – get Randle comfortable again in his role and maybe not exhaust him

      – get RJ back to his 2020 form

      – get Mitch fully healthy and in game shape

      – have Fournier and IQ split minutes equally and get them to play defense

      – get any meaningful contribution from the rookies

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