Knicks Morning News (2021.11.30)

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    1. Yes. I’m not sure who would start then. You’d have Mitch, Randle, Burks, Fournier and who? Would it be Knox? Or maybe even Selden, but he’s probably too small for the three.

    2. I assume they would start Grimes, since he’s already quasi in the rotation, and starting him wouldn’t disrupt anyone else’s roles. We know Thibs is big on that kind of continuity.

    3. Thibs however is an absolute thinker. Feelings do not factor into any of his decisions. It’s all about a ruthless dedication to winning. It’s what fans should want.

      But this begs the question: If Burks can actually do this, and Thibs is not about feelings, why didn’t he do it last year when Elfriid Payton was stinking up the gym and we were in desperate need of a lineup adjustment in the playoffs?

      I don’t think these types of conclusions fit the evidence we have. My sense is Thibs has a type. Kemba is definitely not his type. Burks is the closest facsimile to what Elf brought defensively at the PG position. Thibs loved Elf, for reasons that were clear to no one. Rose gave him a player who didn’t fit in Kemba. Thibs snapped back to what he probably never wanted to get away from.

    4. Meanwhile, we recalled Deuce from Westchester. I don’t expect him to play tonight, but if RJ is out and Grimes starts, it also wouldn’t shock me to see him get a couple of minutes. Though playing Deuce on the first night that Kemba is Pinsoning would be fascinating optics.

    5. DRed:
      RJ might miss the game tonight, which would be interesting

      “Haha, just kidding about that Kemba Walker thing” – Thibs

    6. What about the rest of the injuries? Will Rose be back? Nerlens? Taj?

      Maybe they’ll go with IQ, Burks, Fournier, Randle, Mitch, shortening the rotation with only Grimes, Obi and whoever is the backup center plus a Deuce’s guest appearance?

    7. Speaking of the Westchester/Bridgeport Knicks:

      Luka Samanic led Westchester with 29 points (5/10 3PT) and nine rebounds. Miles McBride finished with 28 points (5/12 3PT), six rebounds, five assists and three steals. Tyler Hall recorded 25 points (6/10 3PT), four rebounds and three assists.

      The Westies lost, but who cares about G-League wins and losses?

    8. Max:
      What about the rest of the injuries? Will Rose be back? Nerlens? Taj?

      Maybe they’ll go with IQ, Burks, Fournier, Randle, Mitch, shortening the rotation with only Grimes, Obi and whoever is the backup center plus a Deuce’s guest appearance?

      I think that’s more likely than playing Knox. But since our second then would be without IQ and Burks, if could be pretty weak.

    9. RJ being out would be kind of funny because it really would open up a coherent role for Kemba.

      Anyone else planning on going to Barlclays tonight? I figured it would be super expensive but it’s pretty reasonable so I think I’ll be there.

    10. Knick fan not in NJ: I think that’s more likely than playing Knox.But since our second then would be without IQ and Burks, if could be pretty weak.

      Yes, absolutely, in this situation you’re never playing a “real” second unit, you’re only staggering starters’ minutes playoffs-style.

    11. Yeah, Thibs has a type. Players that actually give a shit on defense.

      I’m not blaming Kemba. His knees are shot. But the defense was beyond awful.

      Thibs played Nate Robinson off the bench back in the day for Chicago. Gave him big minutes. And Nate is tiny! But Nate wasn’t slow or injured and could still give effort on defense.

      I don’t think we know the full story. Maybe Kemba didn’t want to come off the bench or was unhappy? The starting lineup has had bad vibes all year after the 5-1 start. Maybe his ego hasn’t caught up with the reality of his body yet? Or maybe he just doesn’t have it anymore and the front office knew that.

      It was a very low risk move that didn’t work out. I think it’s a pretty great sign that the FO is willing to let Thibs do this with a “big name” vet. Past Knicks regimes would not do this.

      And as far as last year….IQ was not where he’s at now. Plus, Thibs did make the change in the playoffs. I know we all didn’t like Elf but was Thibs really supposed to mess with the starting line up in the second half of the regular season when we were winning 13 games in a row?

    12. Yeah, Thibs has a type. Players that actually give a shit on defense.

      Exactly. He’s also not particularly fond of players who need to be rested on back-to-backs. Both these things make me wonder if we’re viewing this through the wrong prism (with the correct prism being: Thibs never wanted Kemba).

    13. Also, on offense all Kemba could really do was shoot 3’s. He couldn’t really drive and kick or score near the rim. He was basically a shorter Steve Novak out there but there was clearly tension between him and Randle as far as who should be the primary ball handler.

      Kemba might be a former 5 time all-star and NYC native, but Randle is currently the highest paid player on the team, was second team all NBA last year and just signed a 4 year extension with us. He is also in his prime and not injured and basically put the franchise on his back last season and helped make us not a laughingstock anymore. I’m not saying Kemba and Randle hated each other or anything like that, but if there was a power struggle or it just wasn’t working with them and Kemba’s defense was having an overall negative affect on the team, it was a pretty easy decision to make to bench him. No real long term negative effect on the team or our cap space.

      Of course Deeefense is gonna use this as another example of how wrong we’re doing things but the opposite is true. We took a low risk gamble with a former all-star. It didn’t work out so we’re correcting that mistake. The sign of competent management isn’t having every single move, draft pick, FA signing, etc…work out. It’s not making huge franchise crippling mistakes and also recognizing when the moves you make aren’t working and being humble enough to fix them.

    14. Eh. I think saying he never wanted Kemba is probably too harsh. Who wouldn’t want to take a gamble on a 5 time all-star who at one point was one of the most dynamic point guards in the league. But there was very little that we gave up to sign Kemba so it’s not a big deal to say “this isn’t working out” and bench him. I’m sure if Kemba was bad on defense but still his old self on offense and we were scoring 120 a night and winning more games, Thibs would have been fine with it.

    15. The Rose regime took a lot of shit on and after draft night, notably from a couple folks who strongly supported drafting the total scrubs at the bottom of the list and hated our picks, not to mention the disbelief that Devon Dotson was passed over with #25 or the punted #33. Hard for me to take those folks very seriously this time around when they lament passing over Jalen Johnson.

      The Z-Man Doctrine: When all else fails resort to big board sniping, and make sure to ignore my ranking of the two players above IQ and Obi.

    16. Swifty, I am not trying to say Kemba shouldn’t be benched. It’s an overwhelmingly obvious decision and the correct move. As a result of this move, the team will most likely begin to resemble last year’s team very quickly.

      But the front office thought last year’s team was rather limited and made some moves to address it. I don’t think getting back to how we were last year is what Leon Rose had in mind with his offseason moves.

      I also think it could have been done without publicly hanging him out to dry. We know Kemba and Randle aren’t working together, but we didn’t even try mixing it up. It’s a long season. Maybe at some point it becomes apparent that IQ should be the starter and Kemba could play an important role on the 2nd unit.

    17. Still reeling from the Kemba news. I really never saw them removing him from the rotation altogether. One of those landmark moments that we will realize meant something or nothing at all for narrative building purposes in three months.

      Excited for the game tonight.

    18. I think Hubert has nailed it in that Thibs has a type and Kamba isn’t it.

      Whether it is a gutsy decision or not is irrelevant because it is irrelevant to Thibs. He is a defence first coach, the team is underperforming on both sides (to borrow a favourite Strat phrase). He naturally goes for the defensive fix by removing his worst defender. The fact that he drops out of the rotation is just a logical side effect given the roster.

    19. I dunno, I think we’re overthinking this. Kemba wasn’t the worst overall player in the starting lineup, maybe not even the 2nd worst, but he was almost definitely our 4th best point guard. We have enough players who play the position to spread his minutes out among better players.

      Can’t say the same about RJ at the wing or Randle at PF.

    20. For me the consequence of this move is that Randle and Barrett, both disappointing this year, now have spent their excuses’ bonus (and Thibs sure knows it).

      Kemba’s negative effects on defense were clear (no chance to switch, rotations lose synch after one pass, rim protectors must help more allowing easier OReb and so on), while on offense not so much, but now with the (presumed) main culprit removed it’s up to them to start playing like last year and not, as they’re doing right now, as if it’s 2019-1020 all over again.

      The next few games will say a lot about our supposed “building blocks”.

      Let’s hope for the best.

    21. But the front office thought last year’s team was rather limited and made some moves to address it. I don’t think getting back to how we were last year is what Leon Rose had in mind with his offseason moves.

      Yeah, I mean we could start winning games but then face the same issue we did against Atlanta in the playoffs.

      But I would rather us win regular season games and face that problem again in the playoffs than us struggle in the regular season and only make the play-in or miss the playoffs entirely.

      They did still upgrade on offense with Fournier and hopefully the improvement from IQ and Obi can mean we’re a better offensive team come playoff time where Randle isn’t the only focus.

      I’m excited Grimes is getting some minutes. Would be dope if he started tonight. McBride showing out in the G-League is a good sign too. Kemba even if he worked out was a stop-gap solution. We still have team building to do beyond this season.

    22. thenoblefacehumper:

      Anyone else planning on going to Barlclays tonight? I figured it would be super expensive but it’s pretty reasonable so I think I’ll be there.

      Remember guys and gals… NY is in a “state of emergency” however, we will continue to pack arenas for games… isn’t it all kinda “funny”

    23. KJG: Remember guys and gals… NY is in a “state of emergency” however, we will continue to pack arenas for games… isn’t it all kinda “funny”

      Get yer Omicron here! Hot, fresh Omicron!

    24. Like Tnfh said above it would be funny if Thibs was forced to play Kemba since RJ is probably gonna be out.

      Burks, Grimes, Fournier, Julius and Mitch starting So IQ, Mcbride(?), Knox(?), Toppin and Sims off the bench. Assuming Thibs sticks to the Kemba out plan just to save face short term.

    25. Remember guys and gals… NY is in a “state of emergency” however, we will continue to pack arenas for games… isn’t it all kinda “funny”

      I went to an LCD Soundsystem show last night and it was packed so tight that I’m sure if one person in the crowd had covid, everyone at that show went home with it. And he’s playing 13 more times. And people from all over the globe will likely be at the shows because we inexplicably dropped the international travel ban 4 weeks ago.

      It’s a good thing people no longer get upset about an ever-rising death count and an incompetent government whose policies fly in the face of science. I wonder why the outrage dried up.

    26. Not to turn this back into a vaccine thing, but as I understand it, the travel ban was lifted for vaccinated people who also show a negative covid test within 3 days of the flight.

      That seemed kinda reasonable to me before this Omicron thing, whose significance is still not clear.

      Re: the ever-rising death count — remember that death is a lagging indicator, and that almost everyone that is dying is either unvaccinated (the vast majority of whom choose to be unvaccinated) or are vaccine non-responders (no choice there). NYC itself has now had 3 days in a row of zero covid deaths. 90%+ of NYC adults are vaccinated. At some point, assuming this Omicron thing’s severity is still blunted by vaccination, one has to live with spikes in CASES if the morbidity/mortality associated with them remains low for vaccinated people.

      For the unvaccinated – God have mercy on their souls.
      For the non responders – unfortunately they just really have to mask up and beg/plead the people around them (Family/friends/etc) to vaccinate/boost.

      If I have any complaint, it’s that the CDC has been extremely reactive and not proactive. The booster thing was obvious from the Israeli data (and other American data), and it’s not for 3+ months later that they finally come around to boosters for everyone.

    27. Sad about Kemba, but I like Thibs’ willingness to take affirmative action.
      The starters have been a problem and at the core was the ineffective defense and shooting of Kemba.

      It seems like time. And Burks has been really good.
      I’m eager to see what they do.

    28. Yeah, Randle and RJ both need to step up. But I think blaming them makes less sense than blaming Kemba. Randle and RJ were both great/good for all of last season with us. The difference is Kemba and Fournier and not Elf and Bullocks. Fournier is in his prime, not injured and on a long term deal. He also was part of the Atlanta win where he played well and the defense was much better. HE might not be a good defender, but he isn’t the turnstile that Kemba was.

      Defense is partly a team effort, partly individual. Its ok to have an average or even bad defender. But when you have someone who is just godawful, that is hard for the rest of the players to cover for. Especially when its the PG position and the opposing team’s PG can get to the paint with ease. Everyone has to rotate to cover for that and it leaves open shooters available for 3’s. Players hit a few open 3’s and now they’re feeling it and its a cascading affect.

    29. Hubert: I went to an LCD Soundsystem show last night and it was packed so tight that I’m sure if one person in the crowd had covid, everyone at that show went home with it. And he’s playing 13 more times. And people from all over the globe will likely be at the shows because we inexplicably dropped the international travel ban 4 weeks ago.

      It’s a good thing people no longer get upset about an ever-rising death count and an incompetent government whose policies fly in the face of science. I wonder why the outrage dried up.

      Whilst you were at the concert, Daft Punk was playing at my house…

      I was at the Union soccer game the other night, and although outdoors, I felt dirty walking around screaming and getting screamed on with a bunch of hot, bacteria and potentially virus-ridden breath… What the hell does WHO’s “Severe Consequences” actually mean?… becuase… it sounds pretty severe… or better yet, how does it actually affect me…??? No one will tell us!

    30. Frank, the science is overwhelmingly clear that a vaccinated person can easily carry a new covid strain from one country to another. So can a person with a negative PCR test taken within three days. If you want to travel to somewhere like Bali, for instance, you have to quarantine for two weeks in a hotel before entering.

      Regarding arenas, the evidence is also overwhelming: if 20,000 vaccinated people are in a tightly-packed arena, they should be wearing masks to mitigate the spread. I can’t speak to every country in the world, but I know most are not packing them in like we are for sporting events (even ones with high vax rates like those in Europe).

    31. Of course Deeefense is gonna use this as another example of how wrong we’re doing things but the opposite is true. We took a low risk gamble with a former all-star. It didn’t work out so we’re correcting that mistake.

      You obviously haven’t read anything I’ve said because I’ve repeatedly defended the Kemba signing as a low risk gamble given Payton was clearly a problem. Personally, If I am going take on a one sided player my preference is always good defense and having at least one good skill on offense. But we needed “someone” at PG and Kemba’s contract is not damaging in the long term. They didn’t sign my target (Lonzo). So be it if they thought the price was too high.

      It’s the combination of Fournier and Kemba I’ve been railing against.

      1. When you have 2 weak defenders on the court at the same time, imo it sometimes compounds into a much worse defense than you’d expect intuitively or based on the numbers.

      2. Our long term needs are a PG and #1 option. Fournier is not a #1 option.

      Ultimately, we need a PG that can at least defend, make plays, and hit the 3.

      Ultimately, we need a #1 option that’s probably going to be a wing.

      IMO, the right way to get there was to admit that free agency wasn’t ideal this year, bring back Bullock and Burks on short term deals and throw in Kemba on a short deal if you are unwilling to sign Lonzo. Then you continue working on that #1 option by staying flexible and keeping as many excess picks as possible if a deal opens up. Fournier doesn’t really solve any long term critical problems even if he is net upgrade over Bullock. He just costs more, will be tougher to move, and moved the needle, but not by enough.

    32. So Hubert, curious — why in the world did you go?

      I’ve already had covid (before I was vaccinated). I know there’s no guarantee a second time will be like my first, but my first was so insignificant (I had, like, three bad hours) that I really don’t care if I get it again.

      I also just got my booster shot, so it’s very improbable. And just in case I still get it, I’m isolating myself for the remainder of the week to ensure I don’t spread it.

      And also bc James Murphy fucks.

    33. I’m not shaming you, but my wife just caught it with two weeks of being boosted, and she did not have CDC-criteria exposure to the very-sick people in her office who were ostensibly spreading it. Your booster is probably going to keep you safe, and neither do I want to waste the rest of my youth sitting around at home out of some vague sense of security, but your next time with it could come from 50x the viral load. It would likely not be the same experience.

      I tested negative 4 times despite being in our fairly small house with her, albeit sleeping in different bedrooms. So YMMV.

    34. Moved the needle but not by enough.

      So what, exactly, is “enough”, right now at this moment?

      Not trying to pick a fight but I’m just genuinely curious as to what you mean by this? We made the playoffs for the first time in a decade last year and this year have a similar chance of making the playoffs. We won’t know if Fournier plus internal improvement from IQ, Obi, etc…is enough to move the needle or not in the playoffs. So much of that depends on match up and how well the other team is playing going into the playoffs. We could face Atlanta again with largely the same roster and beat them in 5 games. Let’s say Mitch is beasting out by then or Randle has learned from last year’s series or Fournier gets hot. We barely lost game one. Maybe the whole series is different if we go into Atlanta up 2-0 instead of it tied. The difference between losing in 5 and winning a series isn’t always that big.

      And besides all that. No matter what we did this last offseason, even if we signed Lonzo, no one would be saying they expect us to win a championship this season. So what, exactly again, is “enough?”

      You’ve written a lot of posts lately where you act like the season is already a foregone conclusion and its clear we didn’t make the right moves. Moves for what? To win a championship?

      We have a core of young players, we have lots of picks going forward, we have no bad contracts and the ability to open up cap space by basically next year, and we’re a playoff caliber team that upgraded one of the starting wing positions. So what, exactly would have been “enough?”

    35. Hubert:
      Frank, the science is overwhelmingly clear that a vaccinated person can easily carry a new covid strain from one country to another. So can a person with a negative PCR test taken within three days. If you want to travel to somewhere like Bali, for instance, you have to quarantine for two weeks in a hotel before entering.

      Regarding arenas, the evidence is also overwhelming: if 20,000 vaccinated people are in a tightly-packed arena, they should be wearing masks to mitigate the spread. I can’t speak to every country in the world, but I know most are not packing them in like we are for sporting events (even ones with high vax rates like those in Europe).

      Re: arenas – I agree completely. I cannot imagine going to an indoor sporting event with people screaming without wearing an N95. I went to the Knicks opener and my son and I were basically the only 2 people wearing masks in the whole place. Mind-boggling.

      Re: the travel rules – feels very much like the US is/was planning to move to a place where practicality wins over “the lowest risk possibility”. We’ve had vaccines available to the general public now for 8-12 months now, everyone is eligible for a booster, and the available data shows vaccinated people are far less likely to have severe outcomes. I completely disagreed with Sweden’s approach during the first wave, Florida/Texas etc’s completely irresponsible policy before vaccines were widely distributed — but now that vaccines are widely available, you have to draw the line somewhere between returning to some level of travel normalcy and protecting your citizenry and not letting crazy antivax people drive the car off the cliff. Requiring vaccines and negative tests (and masking on planes) seems a pretty reasonable line.

    36. If we signed Lonzo we would be complaining about his lack of penetration into the paint and how we would need another PG to break down defenses still. He’s better off as a playmaking off ball guard and doesnt have to worry about creating much with Lavine and Derozan.

    37. I went to a Wilco show about a month ago at the Orpheum here in LA. This is the most obedient, Dad-rock kind of audience humanly possible, and maybe 30% of people were wearing masks. They were great, and it was nice to be at a live show, but I won’t be doing that again soon.

    38. I think if you want to go and are vaccinated, that makes sense. I think if you don’t feel comfortable in a large arena or venue, then not going makes sense too.

      But I do think some sort of off ramp should be on the horizon at this point, in some places.

      And as a parent, I don’t really feel all that great that my kids are going to spend two full years in masks when the evidence for harm reduction for their age group (sub 10) is nonexistent.

      Overall though, pretty proud of NYC for getting off the mat and responding pretty well in the end.

    39. Really sorry Kemba didn’t work out. My expectations were for a much better outcome. Meanwhile, Burks has been one our best players since he’s been here, so I’m happy for him and that coach is taking affirmative steps. We can switch everything now, which will help immeasurably, and I think our shot creation won’t suffer.

      Yes, friends, our visionary coach will experiment with PG-less basketball! A fitting solution for our start crossed franchise. Like the triangle or SSOL before it, could this be the start of a new league wide trend?

      PS.
      As we move from pandemic to endemic, we’ll need to abide unvaccinated people and take steps to mitigate risk. It’s pretty basic.

    40. danvt, totally with you until I hit “abide.” Some things I cannot do.

      I’d be okay with “avoid,” or “deride.” Makes me a lesser man, but I’ll have to live with that.

    41. i like the deride option…although, as i’m sure others have experienced, there are those whom i care about whom chosen a different approach than myself…so it’s hard to fully embrace the whole derision thing…

      what’s really on my mind today though – is the fact of just how darn difficult it is to find a cool looking knick fishing/bucket hat…to me the bucket hat is maybe the pinnacle of cool fan gear…i just know once i possess this fine object, it’ll make me feel cool like sen dog…

    42. To me the news about the Pfizer pill that you can take if you get covid to greatly lower the chances of going to the hospital is just as big of news as the vaccine and I’m surprised it isn’t getting more news.

      Masks are one way to slow the spread as are vaccines. And vaccines also greatly reduce the risk of going to the hospital. But its human nature that some people won’t get a vaccine if they think there’s a 0.01 chance of them getting sick from it even though the chances of them getting covid without it are much much higher. They can justify it because they think they won’t get covid. But I believe even people who are anti-vaxx will take a newly approved treatment AFTER they get covid cause once you get it, you will do wahtever it takes to not go to the hospital. And the treatment pill also increases teh confidence of those vaccinated, who ironically have the higher fear of still getting covid than the unvaccinated. I also think the pill seems like it would work no matter the variant.

      The initial omicron news was scary but it looks like initial reports are that it’s more contagious but the vaccines still do hold up as far as keeping people out of the hospital. So really its no different than delta.

    43. I certainly didn’t mean to open this can of worms but factors influencing my decision to go to games:

      -I am triple vaccinated and wear a high quality mask indoors
      -There is a vaccine mandate for attendance generally
      -NYC case counts remain low (below 3% positivity rate)
      -As a student it’s incredibly rare that I have close contacts with vulnerable people and the semester is about to end anyway
      -I am very vigilant about getting tested if I feel even remotely under the weather

      I don’t think it’s inconsistent with anything I’ve said about Covid precautions to attend games given all of these things, but whatever.

      Anyway…

      Fournier doesn’t really solve any long term critical problems even if he is net upgrade over Bullock. He just costs more, will be tougher to move, and moved the needle, but not by enough.

      Well, right now that Bullock contract is looking a lot more difficult to move than Fournier’s. Additionally, there was no way to run back last year’s team AND sign Lonzo (which we agree would’ve been smart).

      I’m not worried about the Fournier contract at all. He’s been moved for assets at this exact AAV multiple times in the past and his efficiency drop off to start the season doesn’t seem like the result of an actual decline. He’s just missing more mid-range shots than usual. I bet he’s at .580 TS% or so by the end of the season, and a high volume, high efficiency 3PT shooter who can pull up off the dribble (unlike Bullock) will basically always be in demand.

    44. KevinR:
      If we signed Lonzo we would be complaining about his lack of penetration into the paint and how we would need another PG to break down defenses still. He’s better off as a playmaking off ball guard and doesnt have to worry about creating much with Lavine and Derozan.

      That was the case against him.

      I wouldn’t have that complaint because I understand that not everyone we sign will be CP3, Jordan, Bird, Duncan and Kareem. :-)

      You try to get the best players you can get, that fit together and enhance each other’s value, and at a price that makes sense. To me Lonzo, defends, make plays, hits the 3 well, is young, and seems to be still improving. The price was debatable. That’s why I don’t make a big stink about it. But I think I’d rather have Ball long term and Bullock on a short deal than Fournier on long deal and Kemba on the sidelines. If we had Ball we’d be missing one player. Granted, the #1 option is the hardest one to get, but we have our own picks and excess picks if one becomes available and in the mean time we would have a young team with upside. We don’t have the #1 option now anyway.

    45. I have taken to avoiding my unvaxxed acquaintances/friends. Phatt: Spike Lee once sported a Knicks bucket hat and ever since I saw it, I have been on the hunt for one. Alas, I have come up empty.

    46. Steve Popper: Add to the Knicks injury list: Mitchell Robinson (Non CoVid illness) is questionable for tonight’s game at Brooklyn.

    47. I just read that it’s fairly likely we will have even more break through cases with the new Omicron variant than we had with Delta even if people get boosters to offset the significant decline in efficacy of the original vaccinations, It is not known what the impact will be on serious cases, hospitalizations and death.

      I am eligible for the booster, but I’m on the fence about it. I don’t want to discuss all the reasons, but one is this new variant. It’s not a sustainable model to vaccinate 6-7 billion people every time a new variant comes up or efficacy wanes after 6 months. The logistics are close to impossible, cost immense, risks compound themselves (including that a more vaccine resistant variant will develop through a break through case) etc.. I may wait to see if they develop a new booster for this variant. I’m very careful anyway. So another couple of months of semi lock down isn’t the end of the world for me until we have more information.

      I think the long term solution is therapeutics, but I already read that one of the new ones (can’t remember which Merck or Pfizer) did not do nearly as well in a subsequent larger test as it did in the initial smaller one. So we are not there yet.

    48. Knicks bucket hats of all sorts…

      https://www.google.com/search?q=knicks bucket hat&rlz=1C1GCEB_enUS882US882&sxsrf=AOaemvJuVdSc_yPEa1Ltq69BX3rlxqZbMg:1638301889837&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=XDhTzF4ILvV-CM,2xC01Jjj6asfjM,_;ZZDJ2vkDeWUtLM,xYaX38MwCoya5M,_;pFheNzQPV92YvM,lfY-ykcSiTNkHM,_;_XeWvp-bv2ZKNM,iytBBYViVDQaeM,_;lMIgSHMvgQRHoM,LFnbTh-in2p23M,_;YVXJYr9vMtokgM,EJaSp_PfbvkeFM,_;Dq7gxPOiAn0etM,36YOubByms_6oM,_;6xuLBbZSDY_awM,At9CfYzg5ckoiM,_;40MJvCUFwpQMbM,tTjFdzLtOD97nM,_;-MR8NYmL7I7g9M,l03cNCv-pVDE1M,_;Em4Nhz4eLUMNtM,lfY-ykcSiTNkHM,_;U38vHSQAu2ziDM,Lzfo8-DyjqeokM,_;COBjnQUWnMPzqM,y_SISfTYoJAW9M,_;NKHGyS7TCWDU2M,GwHirJJsgLXqdM,_;CaVn6-3-RKHGEM,lfY-ykcSiTNkHM,_;k6mXhgon3GbTbM,tTjFdzLtOD97nM,_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kShHNe2bWmRkS0P6pyXKCsVd-7R1Q&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicgLaR7sD0AhWUNX0KHYuhAv4Q9QF6BAgHEAE&biw=1193&bih=600&dpr=1#imgrc=XDhTzF4ILvV-CM

      edit — apologies, should have embedded that one…

    49. Ball solves our defensive issues, he doesn’t solve our offensive issues, namely Randle needing to iso 100x a game.

    50. Max:
      Both RJ and Mitch out with “non covid” illnesses?
      Did they go to the same restaurant?

      Who do we have available at this point?

    51. Bo Nateman:
      I have taken to avoiding my unvaxxed acquaintances/friends.

      I was invited to a friend’s house this Friday and initially said yes. His entire family was vaccinated. He and his wife were boosted, but both got Covid, both ended up in the hospital, he got treated with antibodies, and their daughter and aid (both young and vaccinated) got mild cases. So at this point I was assuming few people on the planet are as immune as them. lol My best friend and his wife will be there. They got their booster and are ultra careful. No problem there. I just found out that several other couples will be there that like me and my girlfriend were vaccinated more than 6 months ago. I declined to go. Being vaccinated 8 months ago does not offer much protection from transmission. So my standards for who I will socialize with for more than a few minutes or outdoors are even tighter than yours.

    52. Early Bird:
      Ball solves our defensive issues, he doesn’t solve our offensive issues, namely Randle needing to iso 100x a game.

      That’s why I keep saying we also need a true #1 option either way.

      Ball is irrelevant at this point anyway, but the profile is still viable.

    53. Interesting Lowe Post ep yesterday about the Suns. At one point, Zach notes that the Suns’ defense is built to take away 3-pointers and dunks and force opponents to shoot long 2’s, yet their offense is built to include a larger diet of long 2’s than almost any other team in the league. He said part of this is that they have two great mid-range shooters in Booker and Paul, and part of it is in a weird way prep for the playoffs, when opposing D’s will really dial up the same “no dunks and no 3’s” approach, leaving them vulnerable to the Suns’ offensive bread-and-butter.

      Given all our lamenting over the past couple of years about the sameness of NBA offenses, I thought it was interesting. I also haven’t watched a minute of the Suns this season, as I was doing family stuff when we played them last week.

    54. Alan:
      Interesting Lowe Post ep yesterday about the Suns. At one point, Zach notes that the Suns’ defense is built to take away 3-pointers and dunks and force opponents to shoot long 2’s, yet their offense is built to include a larger diet of long 2’s than almost any other team in the league. He said part of this is that they have two great mid-range shooters in Booker and Paul, and part of it is in a weird way prep for the playoffs, when opposing D’s will really dial up the same “no dunks and no 3’s” approach, leaving them vulnerable to the Suns’ offensive bread-and-butter.

      Given all our lamenting over the past couple of years about the sameness of NBA offenses, I thought it was interesting. I also haven’t watched a minute of the Suns this season, as I was doing family stuff when we played them last week.

      Is Phil their coach behind the scenes? lmao

      Seriously, that’s exactly Phil’s strategy. Interesting that Phil had Booker on his radar back in the day.

    55. Spike Lee once sported a Knicks bucket hat and ever since I saw it, I have been on the hunt for one. Alas, I have come up empty.

      howdy bo, i hope all is well for both yourself and the family…if you get a chance, i’d love to hear about your walks to and from “work”…

      so, there is one currently available option: https://www.teamstores.com/New-York-Knicks-47-Brand-Kirby-Bucket-Hat-p/prohat-290.htm

      not too bad, i’ve seen some different styles that i really liked better though, no rush, picked up a nice knick beanie and skull cap…ha, getting my very first piece of “used” apparel delivered today – it’s this totally awesome UNK sweat jacket: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/dvcAAOSwXKNc9CM0/s-l400.jpg

      the back has a subdued: KNICKS established 1946…

      ha, too funny raven, i’ve been clicking on a bunch of them today :)

      oh shit, i need to get to work…go knicks…

    56. I would like to see a national vaccine mandate issued via executive order. Eventually this shit is going to mutate to something that beats the vaccine, right? If there is anything I learned from Jeff Goldblum, it’s that nature finds a way.

      The red states would obviously not comply, and it would get kicked to the supreme court (which I’m confident would uphold it). But I think the party knows that would be handing some red meat to the republicans for the midterms.

    57. It would be interesting to see how they handle it Hubert since its killing their elderly base. Might become a big factor if it stretches out to 2024

    58. I would like to see a national vaccine mandate at least in order to fly commercially. Its beyond idiotic that we let anyone get on a plane and potentially spread covid around the country or world. Either proof of vaccination and/or a negative covid test to board a plane. And if you punch a stewardess when they ask you to wear a mask, you are banned from all commercial flights for the rest of your life.

    59. I have a post that appears to be in moderation (it’s not showing up at all) in which I linked to some very preliminary Israeli data indicating Omicron might not be as immune evasive as feared and lightly recommending everyone do something, perhaps for the third time (trying to avoid a potentially banned word), in light of that.

      I would also like to see Hal Steinbrenner tarred and feathered.

      In my lifetime the Yankees’ mantra has gone from “win at all costs” to “make sure we avoid bad contracts.” It sucks as a fan, and is pathetic coming from an organization that prints money like few other sports franchises.

      We’ve gone from the envy of the AL East to probably 4th in the division in a few short years because Hal Steinbrenner insists on sitting around and waiting for the picture perfect contract instead of signing some damn good baseball players. If this offseason doesn’t change course dramatically, I may watch fewer Yankee games in 2022 than ever before.

    60. swiftandabundant:
      I would like to see a national vaccine mandate at least in order to fly commercially. Its beyond idiotic that we let anyone get on a plane and potentially spread covid around the country or world. Either proof of vaccination and/or a negative covid test to board a plane. And if you punch a stewardess when they ask you to wear a mask, you are banned from all commercial flights for the rest of your life.

      Yeah, agreed. I have to fly to Miami this weekend and it’s giving me lots of anxiety.

    61. fortuitous bounce, I am a middle aged white man. you’re supposed to laugh at the shows I go to.

    62. In my lifetime the Yankees’ mantra has gone from “win at all costs” to “make sure we avoid bad contracts.”

      It’s “avoid the luxury tax at all cost.” (We have the worst contract in baseball: Stanton’s; and Cole might get there, too).

      The Robbie Ray contract was totally reasonable, and they really needed him. When the Mariners are outbidding you, just exit the building.

    63. @FredKatz
      Mitchell Robinson, Nerlens Noel, Taj Gibson and Derrick Rose are all game-time decisions, Tom Thibodeau said.

    64. i kinda feel like a game time decision whenever i’m heading off to work too, i can sympathize…

    65. Ian Begley
      @IanBegley
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      RJ Barrett, Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson, Nerlens Noel and Mitchell Robinson are all available tonight, Knicks say.

    66. @FredKatz
      Mitchell Robinson, Nerlens Noel, Taj Gibson and Derrick Rose are all game-time decisions, Tom Thibodeau said.

      And now they’re all available, including RJ, except… Sims

      :-)

    67. Wasn’t there a player on the bulls or lakers that was playing sick when we played them recently? I vaguely remember that. If so half our team being sick seems very predictable.

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