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    1. Family matters and a long awaited reunion with my former army buddies kept me out of the game, I only watched the “condensed” (that shows made baskets only).

      Kudos to Cyber for his faith in this win, I was way more skeptical.

      Best win since the first game of the season, good reaction after the
      non competitive beatdown suffered from the Suns, and while I think it will be hard for all the Hawks not named Young or Capela to shoot again a combined 15-57 (26.3%) maybe our maligned defense had something to do with it or did we just re-sign I6M?

      Looks like the Burks Experiment went well, Fournier had a nice boxscore, Barrett his first decent game in a while, Obi was a force and IQ even when isn’t shooting well can help a lot.

      How did Randle go? From his boxscore he was useful despite the bad percentages, but did he play well on defense?

      P.S. From Z-Man comments looks like the defense was legit…

    2. Max: P.S. From Z-Man comments looks like the defense was legit…

      It definitely was, but yeah, the Hawks helped us out by missing lots of shots, even FTs.

      Max: How did Randle go? From his boxscore he was useful despite the bad percentages, but did he play well on defense?

      Randle was the same guy we’ve been seeing all season….very regressed offensively, hard on the eyes, but battling through it. Very tough on the boards and solid on D.

      Max: Looks like the Burks Experiment went well

      That’s an understatement. Literally put the team on his back during a critical 3rd Q stretch. He was relentless on D, except for when Trae started pulling up and knocking down 30-footers. Just has a calming presence out there.

      Max: Fournier had a nice boxscore, Barrett his first decent game in a while, Obi was a force and IQ even when isn’t shooting well can help a lot.

      All spot on. Fournier was an unsung hero, made some huge momentum-swinging shots, especially when ATL wen on a run in the beginning of the 3rd.

    3. Kemba needs to be at minimum moved to the neck unit, and probably just given Theo Pinson’s old role. I just don’t know how messy that would get. I’m also not sure which of Rose, Burks, or Quickley I’d start in his place. If you start Burks and Kemba is still in the rotation, the beach mob is now very small, for instance.

    4. Also, your periodic New Luka report, courtesy of P&T:

      Luka Samanic now averaging 26.8 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists, .5 steals, and 1.5 blocks on 57-39-91 shooting (69 ts%) in just 30.3 minutes per game in 4 G-League games.

    5. Alan: Alan
      November 28, 2021 at 8:58 am
      Also, your periodic New Luka report, courtesy of P&T:

      Luka Samanic now averaging 26.8 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists, .5 steals, and 1.5 blocks on 57-39-91 shooting (69 ts%) in just 30.3 minutes per game in 4 G-League games.

      Yeah but he’s no Jalen Johnson. Now we’re stuck with Samanic and a repurposed 19th pick…woe is me!

    6. The Hawks missed some makeable shots but our biggest defensive factor last night was the ability to switch a lot with Kemba out. Gallinari couldnt take advantage of Quick as easily as he would’ve with Kemba.

    7. Luka Samanic now averaging 26.8 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists, .5 steals, and 1.5 blocks on 57-39-91 shooting (69 ts%) in just 30.3 minutes per game in 4 G-League games.

      I’m foolishly optimistic about Samanic.

      I don’t know if there’s a place on the roster for him this year (barring injuries, knock on wood) but if he can become even just a rotation player we would have hit our lottery ticket.

      Pop’s giving up on him isn’t a good sign, but maybe the Best Coach Ever has lost some steps and a strong dose of Thibs’ Crash Defensive Course can help fulfill his huge promises, his offensive talent is off the roof and he’ll be 22 in january.

      P.S. Nice point KevinR

    8. Watching this team with Burks starting instead of Kemba should probably be the death knell for Kemba’s time as a starter. We shot better, the ball moved better, and the defense was better. It’s sad because everyone loves Kemba but at this point, unless his knees magically get better, he’s really a bench piece.

    9. “And please, let’s put the “Bullock is a better defender than Burks” talk to bed. Burks is aging like a fine wine, seriously playing like an all-star right now. We’d be in really bad shape without him.”

      Z-Man,

      I don’t recall anyone saying that.

      I know my view is that Bullock is a better defender than Fournier and we can’t have Fournier and Kemba on the court and still have the same kind of defense we used to have. I think we should have kept both Burks and Bullock. Since PG was the greatest need, it probably made sense to keep Bullock and Burks and ultimately use our excess picks to try to fill the Fournier role with an actual star player. Kemba has been poor on defense (as we knew he would be), but I think we could tolerate him better defensively if Bullock was on the team. Also, we know Kemba is not the long term solution anyway. He is just the short term placeholder to replace Payton until we are sure we have PG solved long term. I’m not so sure how easy it will be to move Fournier. But we obviously need a huge star level upgrade somewhere and it’s probably not going to be Randle, RJ, or Mitch/Nerlens that goes. IMO It’s going to be a PG or the Fournier role.

    10. Yeah but he’s no Jalen Johnson. Now we’re stuck with Samanic and a repurposed 19th pick…woe is me!

      Correct, having a Spurs washout on a two-way contract is not the same thing as having a one-and-done on a rookie scale contract.

      Since PG was the greatest need, it probably made sense to keep Bullock and Burks and ultimately use our excess picks to try to fill the Fournier role with an actual star player.

      Bullock got $10M AAV. Fournier got $18M AAV. Your plan leaves us with $8M AAV to find “an actual star player.”

    11. I don’t think Fournier is a particularly good defender, but it’s not clear to me that Fournier is a problem on defense. Kemba is a problem on defense. I agree we need to sit Kemba on the end of the bench and limit his use to when multiple players are injured. He’s unplayable right now.

      Kemba dies on picks and ends up 10ft from where he needs to be. Kemba’s offensive game is pulling up from 3 without running the offense at all. He’s shown flashes of the old Kemba, but we need a PG. 2021 Kemba is not a PG.

    12. The ideal, unrealistic solution to the Kemba situation might be to make him a literal part-time player. My below-amateur analysis is that he can still do a lot of the things that made him all-NBA caliber from time to time, but can’t come close to doing them for a full game, let alone a full season. So I’d be curious to see what he could do on a schedule in which he plays maybe half the games, and only for 20 minutes. It’s too bad he’s vaccinated (I kid).

      That’s not going to happen, so hopefully Thibs just gradually starts to siphon off his minutes barring a major turnaround. One thing is for sure–it’s time to give Quickley all the minutes he can handle.

    13. I’d like to see Kemba and Rose together. Kemba’s pretty much a spot-up shooter right now, but he’s still a damn good one, essentially a short Steve Novak. Rose drive-and-kicks with Kemba on the three point line would be a nice offensive weapon. Assuming you can hide him on defense against another team’s second unit.

      It’s a limited role, but it could be lethal in small doses.

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    15. Jalen Johnson & Luka Samanic weren’t mutually exclusive (Wayne Selden is our 15th man). But let’s wait for more than 4 G-League games before anyone makes a victory lap either way.

      Old Luca was the holdup for getting Jalen Johnson.

    16. (Wayne Selden is our 15th man)

      Can we get a bot that auto posts this anytime someone even vaguely suggests we didn’t have room for another draft pick?

    17. Grimes had a solid game. His trigger is relentless on the 3 if hes even a little open hes gonna launch it. Already advanced defensively for a rookie good at pressuring the ball handler and navigating screens.

      Cons are hes a little too handsy when guarding the ball handler and a few dumb passes that turned into TO’s. Chalk that up to a rookie being a rookie.

    18. But let’s wait for more than 4 G-League games before anyone makes a victory lap either way.

      Hey, Z-Man taking an unearned victory lap is a big part of what we do here.

      Btw did you know Luka was taking with the 19th pick? That means Leon Rose turned one 19th pick into another 19th pick and got an extra first. Amazing.

    19. KevinR:
      Grimes had a solid game. His trigger is relentless on the 3 if hes even a little open hes gonna launch it. Already advanced defensively for a rookie good at pressuring the ball handler and navigating screens.

      Cons are hes a little too handsy when guarding the ball handler and a few dumb passes that turned into TO’s. Chalk that up to a rookie being a rookie.

      Thanks.

    20. thenoblefacehumper: Correct, having a Spurs washout on a two-way contract is not the same thing as having a one-and-done on a rookie scale contract.

      Funny how he is characterized as a Spurs washout…he was drafted with the 19th pick and languished in the G-League before being cut in a cost-saving move. In other words, the Spurs sure would like to have that pick back rather than have incinerated it on a guy who never would wind up playing meaningful minutes for the big club. And that’s exactly what will happen with Jalen Johnson. Does anyone seriously think he would crack our rotation in the next 2 years?

      If you favor drafting someone who plays your deepest position with pick#19 just to sit him at the end of your bench or stash him in the G-League on a 2-way deal, you have no freaking idea what you are doing.

    21. thenoblefacehumper: Can we get a bot that auto posts this anytime someone even vaguely suggests we didn’t have room for another draft pick?

      Can we possibly be more smug and condescending? Like anyone engaging in good faith here doesn’t know who’s on the fucking roster.

    22. Oh no, the incinerated pick again. This is a debate that’ll last all season long, right? Just to prepare myself to it. :D

    23. Hubert: Hey, Z-Man taking an unearned victory lap is a big part of what we do here.

      Btw did you know Luka was taking with the 19th pick? That means Leon Rose turned one 19th pick into another 19th pick and got an extra first. Amazing.

      Keep grinding that axe, Hubert. PS I’m proud to take victory laps for taking such outlandish positions as “let’s wait and see how it turns out before jumping off a bridge because the FO didn’t do what I wanted them to do…”

    24. Max: Kudos to Cyber for his faith in this win, I was way more skeptical.

      Nah, you’re right, sometimes i have blind faith and that doesn’t mean anything. But fortunately, it did happen, so maybe i’ll keep doing it. :)
      Having said that, i don’t think i’ll put this theory to test against the Nets. :P

    25. Let’s examine Leon’s draft/young talent acquisition record:

      Obi
      IQ
      Grimes
      Roku
      Deuce
      Jericho
      Samanic
      plus several addidional future picks, especially in the 2023 double draft (I know, it’s fake news, whatever)

      Add RJ, Mitch and Knox (oops!) and you have more than half of your roster in the rookie-scale window. Including guys like Obi, IQ, Grimes and Deuce who the same guys whining about the 19th pick bitched about drafting. Sp pardon me if I defer to authority here and give them the benefit of the doubt on the 19th pick.

    26. About Kemba, i think sending him to Theo Pinson’s role, or playing part-time, are not options on the table. But sending him to the bench unit is a must. I’d promote Quick to the starting lineup, and maybe Kemba in the 2nd unit is not as much exposed on defense. It’s a win-win, even for him. It’s better to be a good player on the bench unit than to be a bad player on the starting unit.

    27. Kemba to the bench is the most likely scenario I think. He already doesnt finish games so I dont think bringing him off the bench would be too big a controversy.

    28. It’s a perfectly valid thing to say the Knicks have made good draft picks AND made a mistake by not using the 19th pick likely trading it for a lesser pick in the future. Both things can be true. Things don’t always have to be all postive or all negative.

    29. cybersoze:
      Oh no, the incinerated pick again. This is a debate that’ll last all season long, right? Just to prepare myself to it. :D

      The incinerated pick….the Knicks’ own eternal fire, like the Olympic Flame, sort of.

    30. TheClashFan: The incinerated pick….the Knicks’ own eternal fire, like the Olympic Flame, sort of.

      Well with Frank injured, we have to argue about something.

      Or we could talk about both NY (NJ) football teams winning in the same week.

      I didn’t watch any of it, but I do note that Saquon had 13 carries for 40 yards. With one run being 32 yards. Which meant he had 12 other carries for 8 yards. Hmm.

    31. KFiC I agree with the premise but it is also valid to say that they didn’t make a mistake at all and that it was a sensible move to trade out, even if the price wasn’t optimized. In any case, it’s a stupid thing to continually harp on, and the use of the term incinerated is both wrong on its face and unnecessarily provocative.

    32. If you favor drafting someone who plays your deepest position with pick#19 just to sit him at the end of your bench or stash him in the G-League on a 2-way deal, you have no freaking idea what you are doing.

      So the Hawks really screwed up taking Sharife Cooper, huh? The Nets also don’t know their asses from the elbows, they took Cam Thomas despite having Harden. It did the Warriors no good when they drafted Jordan Poole with Klay Thompson on the roster, what a boondoggle that’s been for them. Don’t even get me started on the dumb ass Heat drafting Bam Adebayo with a max player in Hassan Whiteside blocking any and all of his opportunities to play!

      These morons must think the future is definitionally unforeseeable and it’s never a bad thing to add to your young talent pool.

      In all seriousness, Johnson was one of many players available at 19 in a draft widely regarded as deep. Sure, he was highest on my personal board. I also had Springer, Thomas, Butler, Cooper, and Donsunmu ranked higher than 19. Would’ve been happy to have any of them if the Knicks had an issue with the PF glut.

      Can we possibly be more smug and condescending? Like anyone engaging in good faith here doesn’t know who’s on the fucking roster.

      Hey now, speak for yourself. I had completely forgotten Wayne Selden existed before reading that post.

    33. I’ll put Rokas, Deuce, Grimes, Sims and Samanic up against another other group of non playing kids. They would probably be fun to watch.

    34. Things don’t always have to be all postive or all negative.

      They do to Z-Man. If you criticize one move, you hate the coach or the front office. If you like the coach or front office, you have to defend everything they do.

      And if something totally irrelevant happens, like Luka Semanic has a good game in the G-League, it’s time to proclaim that everyone who criticized the front office about something totally different was wrong. And then be ultra sensitive when everyone discusses the logical gaps in his position.

    35. I agree the term “incinerated” is unnecessarily hostile and provocative. They still have a pick. It just may not be as good of a pick. But it’s not like they traded it for a shitty vet player in some win now move. The team has plenty of young talent and just pushed a draft pick back a few years which could be wise if they trade some of that young talent for a star.

      It’s just annoying that after the beat win of the season we’re arguing like it’s 2015 and the team is out of contention. This team is not the final product but it’s a damn good one and last night should make all of us very happy bc we won with so many young players playing well.

    36. thenoblefacehumper: So the Hawks really screwed up taking Sharife Cooper, huh?

      Who really gives 2 shits what some team does with its 48th pick?

      thenoblefacehumper: The Nets also don’t know their asses from the elbows, they took Cam Thomas despite having Harden.

      Cam Thomas = Quentin Grimes. Personally, I’d rather have Grimes. In any case, the argument is about Jalen Johnson, who is behind both Randle who just upped for 4 years and Obi who is clearly the backup to Randle and still struggles to get minutes. Johnson would never see the floor for the next 2 years at least, and he would probably stink if he did. He would be a waste of cap space on our team.

      thenoblefacehumper: It did the Warriors no good when they drafted Jordan Poole with Klay Thompson on the roster, what a boondoggle that’s been for them.

      Poole was picked 29th, at a spot where getting an NBA player is a crap shoot at best, so you pick a guy who you hope will stick. The Knicks already picked Grimes at a higher spot, and excersized 3 other picks, plus picked up a UDFA and a former 19th pick who is tearing up the G-League at age 21. The other rookies on that GS team were Ky Bowman (undrafted), Mychal Mulder (undrafted), Zach Norvell (undrafted), Eric Paschall (41st overall pick) , Alen Smailagic (39th overall pick), and Juan Toscano-Anderson (undrafted). That pick we didn’t make at #19 just might translate into the Jordan Poole of a future draft when we actually have more roster spots to fill and fewer young players to find minutes for, a possibility you won’t even consider.

    37. Z-man: hat pick we didn’t make at #19 just might translate into the Jordan Poole of a future draft when we actually have more roster spots to fill and fewer young players to find minutes for, a possibility you won’t even consider.

      They’re using a roster slot on Wayne Selden.

      Luka Samanic has literally nothing to do with incinerating the 19th pick.

    38. thenoblefacehumper: Don’t even get me started on the dumb ass Heat drafting Bam Adebayo with a max player in Hassan Whiteside blocking any and all of his opportunities to play!

      This is really a stupid point. Miami had one, count’em one draft pick that year, which happened to be a lottery pick in a deep draft. Hassan Whiteside was on the tail end of a bloated contract. Try to keep it real, please.

      thenoblefacehumper: Hey now, speak for yourself. I had completely forgotten Wayne Selden existed before reading that post.

      Sure you did. Right.

    39. Can’t jalen play some SF as well? At 6’9 220 hes a little big but should be able to manage. We dont have a real SF on the roster since Obi is too slow footed on D and RJ is just a big SG.

      I havent seen much of Jalen so correct me if I’m wrong.

    40. Hubert: They do to Z-Man. If you criticize one move, you hate the coach or the front office. If you like the coach or front office, you have to defend everything they do.

      More total BS from you, what a surprise.

      Hubert: And if something totally irrelevant happens, like Luka Semanic has a good game in the G-League, it’s time to proclaim that everyone who criticized the front office about something totally different was wrong. And then be ultra sensitive when everyone discusses the logical gaps in his position.

      Actually, the time I proclaimed the handwringing over the 19th pick was wrong was right after the draft, and continues to this day. I believe that it is literally one of the rashest positions ever taken on this board, with the caveat that I agree that they might have gotten a better return for it.

      But you and others go right on ahead on beating that dead horse if it makes you feel better! I’ll keep on being glad that we drafted Grimes, Deuce, Roku and Sims and have more bullets in the chamber in coming years, especially 2023. And as for you personally, you keep right on straddling every issue so that you can play both sides and never have to admit being wrong about anything! Must suck to know that I know you too well to by into your schtik!

    41. Changing the subject, I’m watching 95yo Tony Bennett belting out a tune with a big band behind him…sounding unbelievably good considering!

    42. It’s just annoying that after the beat win of the season we’re arguing like it’s 2015

      Swifty, on the day we win the championship, Z-Man is going to try to start an online argument about something he thinks he was right about 2 years earlier.

    43. Hubert: Swifty, on the day we win the championship, Z-Man is going to try to start an online argument about something he thinks he was right about 2 years earlier.

      Only one of us actually knows what he would do after we win a championship.

    44. In any case, the argument is about Jalen Johnson, who is behind both Randle who just upped for 4 years and Obi who is clearly the backup to Randle and still struggles to get minutes.

      Jalen Johnson is a tall wing, not a power forward (though he could develop the ability to play stretch 4).

      Johnson would never see the floor for the next 2 years at least, Johnson would never see the floor for the next 2 years at least, and he would probably stink if he did.

      citation needed

    45. Btw if we’re discussing G-League stats, Keon Johnson is averaging 28-6-6 per 36 with an eFG% of 62.8. But obviously we wouldn’t want to have a stud prospect in the G League. Unless, of course, we do have a stud prospect in the G League (Luka), in which case said stud prospect negates the need to have used the 19th pick because… we only have room for one stud prospect in the G League?

      The logic gets hard to follow, but bottom line is the last thing this team needs is to have multiple blue chip 19 year prospects lighting up the G League. Especially when they both play play the same position as Julius Randle and Obi Toppin, except that neither of them do.

      You follow? This all makes perfect sense.

    46. ***Changing the subject, I’m watching 95yo Tony Bennett belting out a tune with a big band behind him…sounding unbelievably good considering!***

      Oh, phew, Z-Man is back on the scotch.

      Changing the subject again, I liked the Blue Bayou joke someone posted here last week. I didn’t comment at the time, but I liked it:)

    47. Donnie Walsh: Oh, phew, Z-Man is back on the scotch.

      I wish…

      Donnie Walsh: Changing the subject again, I liked the Blue Bayou joke someone posted here last week. I didn’t comment at the time, but I liked it:)

      That was d-mar…

    48. Hubert: The logic gets hard to follow, but bottom line is the last thing this team needs is to have multiple blue chip 19 year prospects lighting up the G League. Especially when they both play play the same position as Julius Randle and Obi Toppin, except that neither of them do.

      You follow? This all makes perfect sense.

      You do realize that Jalen Johnson and Keon Johnson will each get paid over $5 mill during the next 2 years, and will likely contribute zero value to their respective teams, while Sims is already playing important NBA minutes and Samanic might be the best player in the G-League right now for a small fraction of that amount that doesn’t count against the cap. And that future pick (which based on CHA’s ascending status is looking more and more like it will be as good of an asset as the #19 pick in this past draft was) takes up zero cap space.

      But sure, you keep right on brooding that missing out on Jalen or Keon (btw hang your hat on one or the other if you’re gonna continue to make a stink about it) is some kind of bellweather for this management team. Of course, if both J’s bust and we draft Michael Jordan 2.0 with the incinerated (but not really) pick, you’ll insist that it was dumb luck.

    49. That pick we didn’t make at #19 just might translate into the Jordan Poole of a future draft when we actually have more roster spots to fill and fewer young players to find minutes for, a possibility you won’t even consider.

      Wayne Selden bot, activate

    50. thenoblefacehumper: Wayne Selden bot, activate

      Is it really uncommon for a team to fill a roster spot with an emergency all-purpose wing who could actually play minutes in the NBA without killing the team while never complaining about not playing or blundering his way through practice? Nope. In fact, you’d find a Wayne Seldon on just about every NBA roster.

    51. you keep right on brooding that missing out on Jalen or Keon

      I’m not brooding, sunshine. I’m just presenting you with the holes in your “logic”. You’re the one who brought this up out of the blue.

      btw hang your hat on one or the other if you’re gonna continue to make a stink about it

      why? one was available at 19, the other was available at 21. Besides, all I did was present his G League stats without comment.

    52. You do realize that Jalen Johnson and Keon Johnson will each get paid over $5 mill during the next 2 years, and will likely contribute zero value to their respective teams, while Sims is already playing important NBA minutes and Samanic might be the best player in the G-League right now

      That’s false. They will earn $5.1 million *combined* (not $5mm each).

      Now your turn:

      Do you realize we weren’t $5.1mm away from being a contender this year?

      Do you also realize that Sims & Semanic have absolutely nothing to do with this, or does TNFH need to summon the Selden bot for the 5th time in this thread?

    53. Hubert: That’s false. They will earn $5.1 million *combined* (not $5mm each).

      Hence “during the next 2 years” but I’ll try to use simpler language for you.

      Hubert: Do you realize we weren’t $5.1mm away from being a contender this year?

      No, but I do realize that the Knicks employ a highly respected capologist, and that thankfully his name is neither Hubert of tnfh.

      Hubert: Do you also realize that Sims & Semanic have absolutely nothing to do with this, or does TNFH need to summon the Selden bot for the 5th time in this thread?

      Also false. It’s been clear from the start that this team is only going to roster players that fit a certain model of teambuilding. That model is not “fill up your roster with young players who aren’t anywhere near ready to play in the NBA” It also includes “having surplus future picks without squandering picks on raw projects just to make the likes of Hubert happy.”

      Sigh. Sometimes I wish that the Knicks just drafted Deuce at #19 (which was widely speculated) and Grimes at #21 just so we wouldn’t have to suffer the incessent whining over Black Thursday where we ruined our franchise by “incinerating” the #19 pick.

    54. So incinerating is the new mediocre around here these days? Glad to see some things absolutely never change in this place.

    55. Atlanta guard Bogdan Bogdanovic suffered a right ankle sprain in Saturday’s 99-90 loss to the New York Knicks, the team announced Sunday after he underwent an MRI. He will be re-evaluated in two weeks.

      Bogdanovic had to be helped to the locker room in the second quarter and did not put any weight on his left foot.

      Forward Cam Reddish, who was on the injury report prior to the game with left wrist pain, also left the court earlier in the game. An MRI determined he has a left wrist sprain and his status will be determined by his response to daily treatment.

      The Athletic’s Hawks beat writer says “ Solomon Hill will likely see his minutes increase. Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot will get in the mix, and Skylar Mays, one of the Hawks’ two-way players, could also grab a role in the rotation.”

    56. Goran Dragic seems available, maybe that would be a good idea for a Kemba trade (won’t happen but I’d be happy if it did)

    57. Mr. Z-Man, what you’ve been saying is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

    58. I see we are still relitigating the so-called incineration of the 19th pick last year. It was in no way an incineration of course, but going overboard seems to be the way of the world nowadays.

      FWIW – I think we can all agree that it wasn’t a great value-for-value trade, even if I sort of think the idea behind the trade is at least acceptable, likely based on one or more of these:

      1) they probably had a very large 2nd-3rd “tier” and very much thought that players from ~19-36 were probably roughly equal

      2) they were not sold that Jalen Johnson or Sharife Cooper or Keon Johnson or whoever were can’t miss prospects (by the way neither did the teams who picked the 18 picks prior to the “incinerated” 19th pick).

      3) players that are picked become depreciating assets if they don’t play, if for no other reason than the fact that every day that goes by is one less day on a rookie contract.

      4) potential draft picks are of course probably better trade assets than depreciated G-league or non-rotation players because the receiving team trusts their own evals better than someone else’s, and want the extra team control and cap space (ie. draft picks are zero, players are not zero $)

      5) Some people think the 2022 class is deeper than the 2021 class. Beyond having extra trade assets, having multiple firsts in 2022 and 2023 (Dallas) is nice –> a steady stream of young talent as opposed to a big bolus onto a team that already has a lot of players to develop.

    59. Isn’t it rich when the likes of Hubert purport to speak for the entire board? Pretty much sums up where he’s at: either you agree with his corrupt world view or you’re insanely idiotic. Sounds kinda Trump-like to me.

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