Knicks Morning News (2021.11.27)

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    28 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2021.11.27)”

    1. Feeling sorta depressed this morning about our beloved Knicks, and not just because of that beatdown last night by the vastly superior Suns.

      Last year, we had a breakout season by Randle, solid improvement by RJ, an intriguing rookie in IQ and a center who seemed to have potential to keep improving (Mitch) We finished the season with a flurry of wins, grabbed the 4th seed and we all know what happened after that.

      So the expectation was that we would build on that, thus, a fair number of 50 wins + predictions. But so far this season:

      – Randle has regressed
      – RJ has dramatically regressed
      – MItch really hasn’t shown that he can be a top flight center in the NBA
      – Kemba looks sorta shot

      I’m not really worried about Fournier, as I think he’ll eventually produce at his career level.

      The positives this year – Rose (until recently) IQ and maybe Obi (although I’m still skeptical)

      So instead of building on last year, we’re kind of going backwards. Our defense is worse and two of our starters (Randle and RJ) have taken steps backwards.

      Give me some reason for optimism Knickerbloggers!

    2. One (only?) good thing about that game was the two kids got some run. if they’re going to throw up and miss a bunch of shots due to early career nerves, good game to do it in. Deuce got his first points of his career, and hopefully they got a little bit of jitters out of their system and they’ll be ready to make a bigger impact going forward.

      Otherwise, meh.

    3. Apparently the Hawks have had a better offensive rating than both the Warriors and Suns during their last 7 games. Could get ugly.

      Would like to see Barett on Trae and Quickley/Grimes will be important for that matchup too

    4. I’m not to upset with where Julius is we always knew he would be better as a second option. Not really disappointing just this is what I expected for the most part. Mitch I think will be fine once he gets into better shape.

      RJ is the only real concern you would hope theres an injury or something plaguing him.

    5. We’re about a quarter of the way through the season and we’re below average on both sides of the ball, have allowed more points than we have scored, our supposed marquee players look bad and the only encouraging seasons have come from younger players who have role player ceilings. We’re trending worse than our 10-9 record looks. We’ve been a flat out bad team since the 5–1 start.

      I was on Team Optimism for a minute but I’m firmly back on Team Realism. The more this team plays the worse it looks. It’s starting to have a faint scent of those 36-win teams that drafts ninth and selects Frank Ntilikina or Kevin Knox.

      Maybe they turn it around. Probably not. Either way it looks quite foolish to have incinerated a #19 pick because we were going to be so good that we wouldn’t need young talent.

    6. Letting yourself be optimistic about the Knicks in the first month is a tradition unlike any other.

      I am with JK. I thought 45 wins at the start of the season. I’d move it down to 42 with a 37 win downside.

      Maybe that’s recency bias but they have just looked bad in the games I have watched. Last year you felt like the same team was out there every night, max defensive effort with Randle doing it all in the middle of things on offensive.

      This year things are just a mess.

      Maybe it turns up from here but the schedule looks rough.

    7. I guess i’m not so down on the team, because i was already expecting to lose to the Suns. They are amazing in a way we can’t handle right now. I think i saw some improvements in our offense yesterday, a lot less iso sh*t and more ball movement, although far from perfect. And definitely in the Bulls game we were playing better, so tonight is a game where we can measure if we’re getting better or not. A win against the Hawks, putting an end to their 7 game winning streak, could be the boost we need to get back on track.

    8. It’s tough for me to decide how much to adjust my priors about this team, since there are perfectly legitimate optimist/realist takes.

      Optimist: we’ve pulled off being around .500 in a very competitive conference (2.5 games separate us from the 2 seed) with 2 of our 3 highest usage players mostly sucking. Obi Toppin once looked like a complete bust, and now we can’t get enough of him. Quickley very well may have taken a step forward. Fournier will eventually play like his basketball card says he will.

      Realist: it’s naive to think last year’s versions of Randle and Barrett are the “real” versions and they very well might play like this all season. Obi Toppin is an NBA player, but at 23 you’d be crazy to say definitively he’ll be anything more than an energy big off the bench. Quickley is good, but tweenerish in ways that limit his upside. Grimes and McBride haven’t knocked anyone’s socks off and we incinerated the pick that could’ve been Jalen Johnson et al. because we would be too good to have young players on the roster. We’re a 37-42 win team with no clear path to substantial improvement, since our draft picks will be middling and we tied up our cap space.

    9. I went to the Suns game at MSG last year and we lost a tightly contested game mostly due to a falling on his ass miracle shot by CP3. But it was basically the same Suns team we saw last night. Ironically, it was our team that was on a win streak (9 games)

      What a difference one season makes…..

    10. KevinR: RJ is the only real concern you would hope theres an injury or something plaguing him.

      Yeah, i had high hopes for RJ this season. If he took the same leap as last season’s, he’d be borderline all star. Right now his numbers are roughly the same as his awful rookie season. Not promising at all. But he usually has stretches of 9 to 12 games where he sucks, so if those 12 games happen in the beginning of the season, it makes a deeper impact on his stats. He’s now at 12 games in a row where he sucked, so unless he gets out of this funk, we must turn ourselves to another reason for this. Or we could just join team pessimism and start analyzing Holmgren, Banchero et all.

    11. Per Fred Katz: Rose, Kemba, Taj out, Noel : questionable. Youngins should get some meaningful run. I guess IQ starts and Burks backs him up ( though Id like to see Deuce on Trae). Good game to RJ to end his funk and good Julius to show up.

    12. @FredKatz
      Knicks say Nerlens Noel is also QUESTIONABLE with a sore right knee. Noel just missed time with a sprained right knee.

    13. I was going to say health has been a problem this season, but went to check it out and looks like my “eye test” failed badly.

      2020/21:
      Possible games (10 man rotation), 695
      Available games, 573
      Availability, 82.45%

      2021/22:
      Possible games (10 man rotation), 190
      Available games, 173
      Availability, 91.05%

    14. Rose AND Kemba out means we may get our wish and see some Deuce on Trae. That could be fun, at least.

    15. I expect for us to lose tonight…without rose and kemba, things could get really sloppy turnover wise…

      overall though – optimistic for the team…we were a .500 club last year until we got hot at the end…

      we’re playing like a .500 team this year (for a couple of weeks, less than .500)…I think our roster is better than last year and guys are simply not playing well together, and it’s affecting their individual games…

      plenty of time still to get it together…unfortunately, there is gonna be some really ugly and frustrating play before that happens (in like 2 to 3 months)…

      try to relax and enjoy the journey…it’s only a game..

    16. And on a totally different subject, i want Clyde to never retire, of course, he’s hilarious and one of the reasons we could endure the last 20 years relatively “lightly”. But i had a vision and i think the ideal replacement when the time comes might already be on the team. I let you guys guess who i’m talking about.

    17. Totally with you, Phatt (can I call you Phatt?). To me right now it’s less about wins and losses and more about a) if/when the team (hear me, starters?) starts to play better together, b) if/when our funked-out fellas (hear me, RJ?) pull out of their slumps, c) watching and enjoying the development of IQ and Obi, and d) catching glimpses of our two kids and watching their development/finding out if they’re really big-leaguers.

      Don’t get me wrong, a win would be great. And it’s very possible if all those points go into the positive tonight. That’s not hugely likely, however…

    18. Last year around this time Atlanta looked awful and they ended up going to game 6 of the ECF. Progress, both on the individual and team level, isn’t always a neat line slowly going up. There can be setbacks, step backs, regressions and people figure new things out.

      For all the hand wringing, we’re still above 500. We very well could be several games below 500 after this next stretch of tough games but as a team be figuring some things out even through the losses. I feel like they are getting better but it’s a process and the injuries aren’t helping. Tonight will be interesting to say the least.

    19. 1. Randle is struggling with having Kemba and Fournier on the court as scoring options and teams double teaming him a lot. His usage should go down, but his efficiency should have risen. Instead both are down. He’s got to figure out how to avoid the tough shots. It’s OK to score less but more efficiently.

      2. Last year teams often left RJ wide open because his reputation was that he couldn’t shoot. This year they are guarding him. The problem is that he’s shooting/forcing the tougher shots that are available. He’s kind of in Randle mode with shot selection and had a random tough stretch.

      3. We took a double step down on defense with Kemba and Fournier.

      4. Some noise.

      #1 and #2 are both fixable. I think both players can be MORE efficient than last year. I think RJ will figure it out. I’m not so sure Randle will.

      #3 was a self inflicted wound. We are going to have to make a move to fix that.

      #4 is nonsense

      IMO we should have just upgraded PG and eventually used the 2 excess picks and our own picks to try to upgrade a position significantly if a star became available. We can still do the latter, but don’t think Fournier was the right move. He’s a good player, but he’s not good enough on offense to be a major option and since he’s a minus on defense it’s a problem with Kemba.

    20. d-mar:
      Feeling sorta depressed this morning about our beloved Knicks, and not just because of that beatdown last night by the vastly superior Suns.

      Last year, we had a breakout season by Randle, solid improvement by RJ, an intriguing rookie in IQ and a center who seemed to have potential to keep improving (Mitch) We finished the season with a flurry of wins, grabbed the 4th seed and we all know what happened after that.

      So the expectation was that we would build on that, thus, a fair number of 50 wins + predictions. But so far this season:

      – Randle has regressed– RJ has dramatically regressed– MItch really hasn’t shown that he can be a top flight center in the NBA– Kemba looks sorta shot

      I’m not really worried about Fournier, as I think he’ll eventually produce at his career level.

      The positives this year – Rose (until recently) IQ and maybe Obi (although I’m still skeptical)

      So instead of building on last year, we’re kind of going backwards. Our defense is worse and two of our starters (Randle and RJ) have taken steps backwards.

      Give me some reason for optimism Knickerbloggers!

      Notice that all 4 players you listed were starters. That is very telling. IMO it’s a chemistry thing. Kemba and Randle have not yet meshed. It takes time. RJ is getting squeezed likewise.

    21. JK47:
      Steve Cohen is George Steinbrenner, but with Twitter

      Yeah, the Steve Cohen era is not unfolding as I had hoped…

    22. Cohen is definitely a weird dude. As a general rule it’s a pretty damn bad idea to lash out at agents, seeing as how they have a lot of clients you might one day want to sign.

      Having said that, if his tantrum over the Matz situation spurred yesterday’s signings (I think they were all solid, but, the Mets, so I won’t hazard a guess) I suppose it was a net benefit.

      If I were a Mets fan I would still be happy he was in in tow over the Madoffs, but it could be quite the wild ride.

    23. Funny how we’re above .500 and half the KB fanbase is in panic mode…my how things have changed! The last “the sky is falling!” thread I recalled was this one from when Derrick Rose was acquired back in February. We were 11-14 at the time and the consensus was that the Rose was, well, let’s just say not what it turned out to be. The most prescient comment was from Jowles, who pretty much nailed the numbers on Rose’s new contract.

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