Knicks Morning News (2021.11.18)

  • What? The 8th Highest Paid Player On The New York Knicks This Season Hasn’t Played For The Team Since 2018 – Sports Illustrated
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  • Magic rally late, beat Knicks to stop three-game slide – TSN
    [www.tsn.ca] — Wednesday, November 17, 2021 10:40:54 PM

    Magic rally late, beat Knicks to stop three-game slide  TSN

  • Orlando 104, N.Y. Knicks 98 – SFGate
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    Orlando 104, N.Y. Knicks 98  SFGate

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  • Derrick Rose’s strong play has picked up Kemba Walker, Knicks – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Wednesday, November 17, 2021 8:15:00 PM

    Derrick Rose’s strong play has picked up Kemba Walker, Knicks  New York Post

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    Miles McBride assigned to Westchester Knicks  Posting and Toasting

  • NYPD and former New York Knicks make a play against food insecurity | amNewYork – amNY
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    NYPD and former New York Knicks make a play against food insecurity | amNewYork  amNY

  • New York Knicks Q&A – The Athletic
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    New York Knicks Q&A  The Athletic

  • Knicks Coach Explains Why Obi Toppin Isn’t Getting Minutes – Heavy.com
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    Knicks Coach Explains Why Obi Toppin Isn’t Getting Minutes  Heavy.com

  • Orlando Magic Vs. New York Knicks Preview November 17th – SportsGrid
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    1. I’m okay with Randle shooting a robust dose of threes, in some sort of in-and-out tactic.

      I’m not okay with him taking 90% of his shots from three, basically playing all night over the break or in the corner and going to the line only 2 times.

      As Thibs said, you can play well even when you’re not shooting well, for instance you can try to get a lot of FTs, a thing that Randle did often in the past.

      Yesterday he simply didn’t want to play.

      (P.S.: fuck the bot too :-) )

    2. Way too much is being made about Kemba’s defense. He’s not a good defender, but that’s not the reason we are losing games. Cole Anthony didn’t exactly light it up last night.

      We’re losing games because we can’t hit open shots and we’re playing really, really dumb basketball.

    3. Knicks starters TS+

      RJ 91
      Randle 94
      Fournier 96
      Mitch 143
      Kemba 103

      RJ and Randle are killing the offense. Last year Julius was like a bigger Melo, league average efficiency at high usage for an offense that didn’t have any good options. RJ was bad but he was much better than he was as a rookie so that was okay. The idea was having better offensive players around Randle would let him cut out some of the difficult shit but so far Julius is scoring like RJ last year and RJ has been simply terrible.

    4. DudeInKnicksTown:
      Did anyone get to watch Deuce and Samanic yesterday? Impressions?

      Sorry for being late Dude! I watched the highlights of both on the Gleague App.

      Deuce went in the paint a lot, I’d like to see him in some NBA games.

      Samanic right now looks like kind of a quadruple-A player, too good for the G-League but not fully ready for the NBA.
      But he has a boatload of talent, his problem is attitude (and that’s worse).
      Let’s hope he matures, he has a nice outside shot and some interesting post moves, it would be nice to steal a lottery ticket from the Spurs…

    5. @shwinnypooh
      Julius+Kemba on (348 min): 104.1 ORtg, 119.0 DRtg

      Julius on+Kemba off (184 min): 110.1 ORtg, 100.0 DRtg

      Julius+Evan on+Kemba off (87 min): 118.9 ORtg, 97.2 DRtg

      Juliu+RJ on+Kemba off (122 min): 112.6 ORtg, 98.0 DRtg

      Julius+Mitch on+Kemba (68 min): 111.2 ORtg, 105.2 DRtg

    6. The optimistic take is that 8-7 isn’t terrible given that there’s two guys, maybe three if you’re feeling generous, who are playing at or above expectations so far (and all of those in pretty small minute roles). Every other player has been disappointing on an individual level which you would generally think means some positive regression to the mean is coming. On the other hand there’s some critical players where the negative play so far has raised larger questions that make you question whether it might’ve been our expectations that were wrong:

      Randle looks lost. It’s supposed to be easier with better teammates but he just doesn’t look comfortable when he’s not doing everything (or trying to). We knew some regression on his jump shooting was probably coming but he’s all over the place right now.

      RJ is maybe just not good? Year 3, 15 games in and he’s still not getting within shouting distance of average NBA play. We’ve found every reason why the periods of good play are the real RJ but we really need him to start making that his normal and not the exception. He’s still young obviously but it’s going to be a scary extension negotiation this summer if this keeps up.

      Kemba, it’s maybe unfair to include him in this list because we knew there was a chance he was pretty much cooked but…yeah, I think he’s pretty much cooked unfortunately.

    7. I just don’t know what buttons Thibs can push when the two guys we were counting on to be our best players are at the moment playing like our worst. (Or among our worst, anyway, since Fournier’s in the midst of a hellacious shooting slump.) Julius and RJ are both messes right now. Politically, Thibs could maybe get away with starting Burks over RJ, but I don’t know that RJ would be any better in the second unit. Randle just can’t be benched, though I surely would love it if Thibs were willing to give even a few additional minutes of his to Obi. But if this two don’t get back on track, it doesn’t matter if the bench keeps playing like the Dream Team.

    8. from my observation, the starters are observers when theyre on the bench AND when theyre on the floor…

      i think its telling when the spotlight is ALWAYS on the bench guys, even when there are a few starters playing with them… for instance last night when RJ checked in… he was truly the outsider, the black sheep… same when Randle checked in… the spotlight was on the other guys (mainly Burks)… trying to win the game for us… its quite the phenomenon ( i think ).

      Maybe my eyes are deceiving me but the D ratings with Kemba on the floor… i dunno… i find that he is always covering ( and likely over hedging) for guys like randle and fournier getting beat off dribble… and then doesnt get back to his guy … then the whole team is chasing the ball around the court…

    9. We really might just be worse than last year. The offensive upside is there, but the defense is porous, maybe Noel will make a difference. The short-term issues are around Kemba’s D, and Fournier playing like an 8th man, despite being the 2nd highest paid player on the team. The longer-term issue is Randle — I don’t think it’s about the skill, it’s about between his ears and his heart. Something clearly is not clicking for him this year like last year — forgetting the stats, just watching his attitude on the court is concerning (apathetic dribbling and turnovers or standing in a corner, lack of aggression, long-step back twos and threes with no balance in his arsenal, not running out, pouting, not cheering for his teammates) …I don’t know if Thibs can solve that, maybe a sports therapist would help, but he looks unhappy our there about 99% of the team — that’s not good leadership.

    10. For F’s sake when Toppin hits that 2nd 3 last night, the game should have been over… I dont care if there’s 6 min left… when mitch went down, they shoulda put Taj in… finish that way… done and done…its a W

    11. I think RJ is really struggling as our #1 perimeter defender (by making his defense worse but also by exhausting him so he’s terrible on the offensive end).

      I honestly don’t know how to solve that, though, because Fournier can’t help on that end. Maybe promoting Burks would help somewhat but he’s no stopper.

      Maybe these are just growing pains for RJ, and he will eventually overcome this slump to become a better overall player… trying to stay positive!

    12. KJG:
      For F’s sake when Toppin hits that 2nd 3 last night, the game should have been over… I dont care if there’s 6 min left…when mitch went down, they shoulda put Taj in… finish that way… done and done…its a W

      Or Jericho! I think the kid is ready for some minutes at least until both our true centers are fully healthy.

    13. Yeah, RJ is very concerning right now. Back when he took over a couple of games in the second half, it looked like he might be poised to go to the next level. Not so.

    14. The team (especially the starters) are just in a psychological funk. Is it Kemba’s D? Fournier missing shots and not having confidence? RJ not having it?

      I still think so much comes down to Randle not being the leader he was last year and I do believe there is something psychological going on. Is he mad that he took a less than super max deal? Is he somehow threatened by Obi? Or is he just relaxing back to old bad habits now that he got the long term deal?

      Or is he simply just in a funk and not trusting himself and his teammates?

      I mean, the defense was an issue when we were 5-1 and we gave up some big leads only to barely escape. But the offense was at least clicking and that was with Kemba not shooting all that well.

      It comes down to a lack of trust among the starters…in themselves and in each other. You can’ tell me our starting 5 on paper is that bad.

    15. You can’ tell me our starting 5 on paper is that bad.

      On paper maybe not, but then you watch them play and you can see why there are problems. It’s a slow offense, nobody can take his man off the dribble. Washed Kemba can’t, Fournier can’t, RJ can’t, Randle can’t, and Mitch doesn’t really play offense at all. It’s a series of inefficient isos, low-percentage pull-up jumpers and contested drives.

      The numbers say we’re getting decent looks but in last night’s game it seemed like nobody was ever open. Opponents can play very vanilla defense against us and get stops, because we just don’t have the shot creation and everybody is slow-footed. It’s a brutally bad halfcourt offense.

    16. On paper maybe not, but then you watch them play and you can see why there are problems. It’s a slow offense, nobody can take his man off the dribble. Washed Kemba can’t, Fournier can’t, RJ can’t, Randle can’t, and Mitch doesn’t really play offense at all. It’s a series of inefficient isos, low-percentage pull-up jumpers and contested drives.

      Yeah, Clyde’s mantra in the telecasts is always “Attack!,” yet it seems like the first unit remains stuck on the perimeter until late in the shot clock. The bench mob can be prone to this at times, but on the whole you’ll see guys breaking down the defense far more often than the starters do.

    17. Similarly, the starting 5 is slow defensively. I think Randle’s a problem here too. He doesn’t quite have the agility of a new-school power forward to fly around and make the multiple rotations needed these days on a single NBA possession. Having Kemba and Fournier out there with him doesn’t help. I think swapping Burks for Fournier would mitigate this issue at least a bit. Burks is quicker than Fournier on both sides of the ball and has better handles. Plus, to this point, his three-point shot is better than Fournier’s. I think Fournier is best suited as a a flamethrower off the bench (if he can regain his touch from deep).

    18. not that Ian O’connor knows shit about basketball…but this is from his article today..strat has another compatriot pining for elf payton:

      “But so far it appears the conference got stronger and the Knicks got weaker. When the home team needed stops Wednesday night, it sure could’ve used Reggie Bullock and Elfrid Payton on the floor. Their offensive-minded replacements, Fournier and Walker, combined for 10 points on 4-for-13 shooting. Not that they’re the Knicks’ only problems.”

      “It’s a lot to fix,” Randle said. “S–t’s not going well for us right now.”

    19. I think what we’re seeing with the starting 5 is just a really good example of how the sum of the whole can be greater than the individual parts sometimes when you compare our starting 5 to last year’s. This is why statements like “were reggie and elf” really that good on defense kind of miss the point.

      The starting 5 last year clicked better for whatever reason. Maybe that was because Elf and Reggie made the defense better overall and even though the offense was more limited, it was easier in some ways for everyone to play their part and play it well. Run the offense through Randle. When he has the easy basket, he scores. Or he kicks out to an open shooter when he’s doubled and if all else fails, he bails us out with a tough shot. RJ could then pick his moments to attack.

      Now the starting 5 has way more offensive talent but they aren’t clicking because they aren’t exactly sure what to do. That is why they miss “open” shots because they hesitate when they’re open cause they’re a little surprised by it and aren’t sure if they should take it or not. And they can’t quite hang their hat on defense like they did because now RJ is the only “good” perimeter defender and their PG is much smaller than Elf is.

      We also don’t know how these guys get along vs. the starting 5 last year. Is Randle now being a diva or do him and Kemba just not vibe, etc? We joke about Elf being Randle’s security blanket but they did have a long history playing together. I think some of what is going on is not being sure on the pecking order on the offense. Randle is still supposed to be the one but some nights it could easily be Kemba or Fournier. Guys seems to defer when they shouldn’t and not defer when they should.

    20. I mean… I am currently pining for Bullock & Payton, too. I don’t know that I will be in a month, but right now? I’d swap out Kemba & Fournier for them. Who wouldn’t?

    21. Hubert:
      I mean… I am currently pining for Bullock & Payton, too. I don’t know that I will be in a month, but right now? I’d swap out Kemba & Fournier for them. Who wouldn’t?

      it would take about 3 minutes of the first qtr for you to check the waiver wire to get a replacement for elf…come on…elfrid payton?

    22. Kemba just isn’t any good anymore and anything about how he looks “on paper” is based on how he was three years ago which has nothing to do with what he is today. Evan Fournier is not a starting 2 guard and that not only doesn’t look “good on paper,” it looks “bad on paper.” Mitch is a very limited starting center, so I’m not sure exactly what people are seeing “on paper” there.

      Which leaves Randle and RJ. Eventually, there’s a very good chance the team is going to have to pick one or the other, because they don’t complement each other much at all.

    23. I’d swap out Kemba & Fournier for them. Who wouldn’t?

      I don’t want Elfrid DNP-CD Payton, or the artist formerly known as The Plague, in the same time zone of the Knicks, let alone the same city.
      Play Deuce instead, or IQ at the point and Grimes at the 2…

      Bullock, who’s not playing well in Dallas, is another matter, but Grimes can play there too…

    24. To instantly get back the “Payton effect”, maybe Minny would let Pat Bev go on the cheap. Kemba, Knox and a 2RP? He’d be a Garden favorite, with his defense and intensity.

    25. There’s a lot of armchair psychology here about Randle. He’s doing most of the things he did last year, but this year the shots aren’t falling.

      The entire starting lineup has been dreadful. Randle has been bad, but so has everyone else. We don’t need to say one of them is the problem, they’re all the problem.

      All 5 starters should be benched. We won’t do that, and shouldn’t, but Fournier & Kemba make the most sense to bench. We have more capable backups at those positions and the remaining starters were part of our elite defense last year.

    26. cybersoze:
      To instantly get back the “Payton effect”, maybe Minny would let Pat Bev go on the cheap. Kemba, Knox and a 2RP? He’d be a Garden favorite, with his defense and intensity.

      Beverley is a good call Cyber.
      I’d like to watch how the man that told Kawhi and PG to fuck off will manage Randle “spoiled child” tendencies…

      :-)

      He’s a free agent at he end of the year and with his bulldog attitude can be a good mentor for Deuce.

      But ai doubt they’ll trade Kemba so soon,

    27. Off-topic:

      Thank christ that Lady Jowles woke up today with mild congestion, as we were about to get on a plane to SLC for my company’s holiday party and to spend time with her 70-year-old mother, her brothers’ families and a host of friends we haven’t seen in ages. Why? Because she got a COVID test and is positive, despite triple vaccination. Last week, a number of her coworkers decided to come in to work with “sniffles,” and now we get to reap the rewards of their utter fucking stupidity. Her unvaccinated coworkers must be have a good time right now. COVID? What, me worry?

      Paterfamilias Jowles has a PCR test scheduled for 3. Our Thanksgiving plans are already fucked, so let’s just lean in and both have to quarantine for 14 days because of selfish anti-mask fucks.

      Go get your boosters, gents.

    28. I miss Bullock but DEFINITELY not Payton. Without Bullock, RJ sliding up to defend the other team’s best wing is probably affecting his offense. The unfortunate thing is, with all the new guys this season that are better at offense than defense, Bullock would’ve been a better fit on this team than last season’s. Burks has been playing well but I think Thibs was right to prefer Reggie over him.

    29. swiftandabundant: Guys seems to defer when they shouldn’t and not defer when they should.

      This.

      As for Elf, Max said it already but here’s a repeat. We have two killer defensive bugs — Deuce and Grimes. Who can also both hit threes. Between summer league and pre-season, they sure seemed NBA ready. They’re rookies and will make mistakes (can you imagine if our starting five made mistakes?), but they bring a flaming intensity on both sides of the ball that our team lacks (outside of IQ and a bit of Burks late-game, and Obi when flinging himself toward the rim).

      They’re here already. No reason to re-infect ourselves with the Plague or trade for Beverly.

    30. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Paterfamilias Jowles has a PCR test scheduled for 3. Our Thanksgiving plans are already fucked, so let’s just lean in and both have to quarantine for 14 days because of selfish anti-mask fucks.

      Oh man, that’s a bummer. This little fuck of a virus is strong as a cockroach, and refuses to go away. I hope Lady Jowles only has mild or no symptons at all, and as you have to quarantine, probably the vaccine will protect you and it’d be better to have it also. Or it’s a bad idea?

    31. Raven: Deuce and Grimes. (…) They’re here already. No reason to re-infect ourselves with the Plague or trade for Beverly.

      Hey, i also prefer that route, but you guys always come to me with politics and how players must play because of status and/or contracts. I was just trying to find a solution taking it into account.

    32. sorry if I wasn’t clear: I would not literally seek to reacquire Payton. But right now I would prefer what he and Bullock gave us last year to what Kemba and Fournier are giving us now. That’s what I meant when I said “who wouldn’t?”

    33. ***It’s now coming into pretty clear focus that Randle’s empty building regular season may very well be the flukiest season in the last 30-40 years of NBA basketball.***

      Noted hyperbole aside, this take may have some actual merit. 2020-21 WAS a fluky season, which I think kind of nullifies the Scott Skiles Effect with regard to this team. But Randle was not the only veteran player to make a big jump last year, only to struggle in the opening month of this “regular” season. Just looking at the MIP vote getters from last year, pretty much all the 25 and over player on the list are producing at a significantly lower output thus far: Randle, Grant, Boucher, Clarkson, Rozier, Kyle Anderson, etc… So, maybe there is a “covid bump” at play for players that were just more comfortable playing without fans? It doesn’t seem that crazy or trollish to suggest it, and there does appear to be some data backing it up beyond just Randle.

    34. The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      Off-topic:

      Because she got a COVID test and is positive, despite triple vaccination.

      Go get your boosters, gents.

      Best wishes to Lady Jowles, with the multiple vax protection I hope it’s gonna be mild symptoms.

      And yes, get your boosters as soon as you can people.

    35. She has the mildest symptoms, and my symptoms are so mild — the weird feeling while breathing with a cold, not quite bronchial but not quite normal — that I question whether I’m just overthinking it. Either way, we’re quarantining until her symptoms are gone, then doing a PCR test again to confirm we’re no longer spreading it.

    36. RJ burning himself out on defense was something we talked about before the season so that may be legitimate. Coming into the season with him as the only credible wing defender was a big mistake(although we did draft two of them).

    37. i’m sure yourself and the missus are do all the right things to keep yourselves and your family safe…thankfully you get to bunker down with your very bestest friend (and work out partner :) in the world…

    38. Man, sorry to hear about Lady Jowles. A friend of ours had their kid get Covid, almost certainly from another kid at school. He got very ill and may have long term effects. And all this with some parents fuming and rebelling against kids wearing masks at school.

      Right now here in Tenn. boosters are still very limited. I’d get one tomorrow but I don’t qualify with an underlying condition.

      RJ has seemed “slow” to me in recent games. Maybe there’s something to him being a bit fatigued because of his new defensive responsibilities.

    39. Last year after 15 games we were 7-8 with loses to Indiana, Toronto, OKC, Charlotte, and Cleveland. It’s a little early to declare “the ship be sinking”. To get Grimes or McBride into the rotation, someone has to be benched. There’s no way Thib’s can do that so early in the season. That would be to big of an embarrassment for the front office. At some point there will be an injury or something and one of the rookies will get a chance to “Wally Pipp” one of the veterans. After watching 6’10” Franz Wagner dunk over IQ and RJ, I’m going to say again, Obi needs to play some at the 3.

    40. Via Mavs Moneyball

      A little salt in the wounds.

      “The French Prince was fantastic tonight, playing quality defense and shot making. He was 5-of-8 from the floor and made all three of his three point attempts. He is a valuable rotation member and the clear cut best young prospect on the Mavericks.”

    41. Better than Doncic or Brunson? lol. There’s no wound to rub salt in. I rooted for him when he was a Knick, but he gave us next to nothing. His defining moment as a Knick, is being put in for defensive purposes and promptly being burned badly when his only job was “send Trae left where your help is”. If he were on the team now he’d be behind McBride and Grimes getting the Selden minutes. If he sticks with Dallas good for him, but “salt in the wounds?” Come on.

    42. Being “the clear cut best young prospect on the Mavs” is kind of like being the most talented Spice Girl

    43. ***If he sticks with Dallas good for him, but “salt in the wounds?” Come on.***

      5-8 isn’t even that good. And in a loss? How is that worth reporting and reposting? Trey Fucking Burke went 4-7 in that game. Why isn’t that being reported here? He also slipped out of our fingers. Alas.

      The takeaway here is that there are Mavsbloggers as divorced from reality as knickerbloggers. (But at least at Mavsblogger they have a reason to write about him now, unlike certain knickerbloggers.)

    44. Also, what other 5th year player is even considered a “prospect”? Is Markelle Fultz still a prospect? Or Malik Monk? Or Jayson Tatum? Or Dennis Smith? Or Josh Jackson? Or Jarrett Allen? No, they are just players in their supposed primes, for better or worse, like everybody else in that draft class, even though they were all drafted as teenagers.

    45. Being “the clear cut best young prospect on the Mavs” is kind of like being the most talented Spice Girl

      He’s also a year older than another player on his team who was first team All-NBA last season. So what in the fuck does “best young prospect” even mean in this context?

    46. The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      Off-topic:

      Thank christ that Lady Jowles woke up today with mild congestion, as we were about to get on a plane to SLC for my company’s holiday party and to spend time with her 70-year-old mother, her brothers’ families and a host of friends we haven’t seen in ages. Why? Because she got a COVID test and is positive, despite triple vaccination. Last week, a number of her coworkers decided to come in to work with “sniffles,” and now we get to reap the rewards of their utter fucking stupidity. Her unvaccinated coworkers must be have a good time right now. COVID? What, me worry?

      Paterfamilias Jowles has a PCR test scheduled for 3. Our Thanksgiving plans are already fucked, so let’s just lean in and both have to quarantine for 14 days because of selfish anti-mask fucks.

      Go get your boosters, gents.

      That does not sound fun, but hopefully it will be a mild case since you are all vaccinated up. I wish you both are fully healthy soon. Maybe the Knicks will actually play well while you are in quarantine and take your mind off things.

    47. I’m going to make a rare defense of strat here re: Frank

      His point has consistently been that Frank has the potential to be a solid 3-and-D guard given enough time and a better situation, and that he was way too young and raw to be drafted. He said that in the context of the pitfalls of drafting 19yo’s in general. He felt that the Knicks made a terrible mistake in drafting him and compoundied that mistake with poor deployment, development and coaching.

      Others on this site were pretty adament that he had absolutely no future in the NBA. Considering that he is still younger than Obi Toppin and that he is playing reasonably well in a limited and appropriate role, strat can certainly take a W on the points above. The kid is getting 14mpg on a team that is 9-5, the team is +9.5 with him on the court, and his on/off is +14.5. The Dallas fanbase clearly likes what they see in him.

      strat has been dead wrong about a zillion things, most importantly his takes on Phil Jackon’s tenure as POBO. But thus far (small sample size alert) the Frank argument is in his favor. If he wants to gloat about it, whatever, if Frank takes a turn for the worse and is benched and cut by year’s end, strat will get a well-deserve beatdown. Let him enjoy the moment.

    48. I’ll also say that my problem with the current management team is that they are in danger of making the classic “thread the needle” mistake that has doomed so many teams to long-term floundering in the middle, e.g. the Celts. I would have preferred that they hired a purely developmental coach (or even retained Mike Miller) and rolled with the young guys for another couple of years. I’m not in despair about it and it is refreshing to expect a win every night against most teams. It is also refreshing to not see us getting hammered in the press/media for being a clown show. Whether we win 35 or 50 games this season doesn’t really matter that much, as this is a clearly transitional period and we’re far from a finished product. The truly big decisions for the future are yet to be made.

    49. I talk a lot of shit about the Frenchise, but I’ve generally thought he’d be a reasonable gamble on a deal like the one the Mavs gave. Still not convinced his success is for real as his midrange shooting numbers & 3pt% are unsustainable, but maybe slotted next to Doncic his defense is enough.

      I doubt Frank would’ve stayed in NY if we offered him the same contract. I’m also not convinced he makes a substantially better gamble than Deuce or Grimes who don’t get playing time as is. So whatever the result, I’m fine with it.

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