Knicks Morning News (2021.11.14)

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    40 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2021.11.14)”

    1. Remember a while ago there was some sort of hypothetical going around about whether or not a regular person could score 20 points in an NBA season? You’d get $1 billion if you did, but you’d die if you didn’t. I was looking at some numbers this morning, and this Kemba-Fournier backcourt is making me want to try my chances.

    2. Hmm… I’m assuming 20 points in the entire season? No problem, plenty of garbage time opportunities, and there’s gotta be a few nice guys out there not wanting anyone to die who’d let you get some uncontested layups and/or threes.

      If not that, then $1 billion allows for a lot of bribe opportunities. I’d walk on the court and tell all the players that they’ll each get $1 million per three pointer that I hit or layup that I make…
      :-)

    3. “i agree kp looks more mobile, but i don’t think this post will age well. i think kidd is making obvious mistakes on offense despite their 8-4 record. i don’t think posting kp on smaller guys is a winning move for a good offense unless he is 24 inches or less from the restricted area. dallas has been murdered with kp and luka together this year and the lack of spacing has been almost comical. sometimes kp will continue posting while luka drives directly toward him, as if they were running some sort of insurance scam. kp rolling, kp cutting, kp planting his somewhat strong self 4 feet out in front of guard switches are all good offense that they do not run nearly enough of. i think they are worse than their record given their current schemes. and kp still looks a bit rough on defense, though there has been a slight uptick.”

      I mentioned the other day that the spacing is bad. I think that’s because they’ve been using Powell at C. You can’t have Powell at C, try to post up KP more often, and expect Doncic to have the space he needs to get to the basket.

      You play KP at C with Kleeber against small lineups. Then you can post up against specific matchups and also have space for Doncic. The rest of the time (with Powell or WCS) you have to use KP as the stretch PF. They are still searching for the right formula.

      Doncic is the Pillsbury Doughboy early in the year. He’ll be OK.

      The issue with KP is always health. God can bless you with a unique body, great talent, and a good work ethic, but if you are always hurt you won’t be able to develop your skills to their potential. Plus, the stats guys will never appreciate you because your record will be littered with periods where you were playing hurt or recovering from surgeries or long stretches of missed games. :-)

      Mitch’s subpar play is almost certainly at least partially related to missed time and chronic injuries. He’s always playing hurt or coming off a serious injury and missed time. Same thing.

    4. Speaking of injury prone, can we even get anything reasonable for Mitch at this point? Either a starting wing or a lottery pick seems out of the question now. So what is he worth?

    5. Plus, the stats guys will never appreciate you because your record will be littered with periods where you were playing hurt or recovering from surgeries or long stretches of missed games. :-)

      The stats guys will never appreciate you because you’re unproductive a great deal of the time

      FTFY

    6. Dont know how much Mitch would be worth at least at his current play and daily injury risk. Maybe a late first rounder for a team desperate for rim protection+rebounding.

    7. One would hope we can get revenge on the pacers and beat two other lottery teams in the Rockets/Magic to go to 10-6 on the season

    8. TheClashFan’s methods aside, there is no way I score 20 points in an NBA season. I’m not even sure I can catch the ball against the worse defenders in the league, let alone get a shot off.

      Have you ever seen these guys in person? I once stood next to Shaq and Barkley during their playing days. They were so big I literally had to walk 2-3 steps just to get around them. Not to mention these guys’ athleticism which is out of this world.

      I mean maybe some of you guys are ex college players so that’s another game for you. Maybe.

    9. Geo, life is good. You’re out of Patchogue, aren’t you?

      great memory dude…I bounced around a lot when I was young, but, for the most part I did grow up around the Medford, Holbrook, Ronkonkoma (?), Sayville, Patchogue area…

      man, I can still remember the nice old style main street Patchogue had back then…also, so many great spots along the water to explore and spend time around…

      are you familiar with the area dude?

    10. picked myself up an early christmas present, started playing Vader Immortal yesterday on that oculus vr thing – holy cow, it’s so flipping cool…

      still getting used to the whole feeling of wearing a brick on my face/head, but, definitely some neat stuff…

    11. New thought: maybe starting Quick at PG is the answer.

      Not only would it improve the defense, but it would also put Randle back in the role of lead creator. If he HAS to move the ball, I think his overall game would benefit.

    12. Thinking about how to fix the starters. Definitely each and every one of them is to blame to varying degrees and they all have to step up their games. But while it’s not terribly fair, I think the onus has to be on Randle, as leader and as point forward. He reinvented himself last year to enormous success, but he’s going to have to reinvent himself again for this team to have real success. And I think the best version of that is somewhere between last year’s Randle and Draymond Green.

      Randle gets loads of assists, but they seem to come primarily from iso spin moves with a kick-out to the corner. Do that enough and you get six assists a game. But it leads to stagnation across the court as his teammates stand around waiting to see if he’ll take a contested two or kick it out.

      Just don’t know if Randle has (or can build) the basketball IQ to direct the offensive flow. If not, the ball should be brought up by Kemba (or whoever is starting at PG). And not just to be handed off to Randle at the top of the key.

      I feel like a simpleton writing that. But the only thing worse than stating the obvious is watching this version of the starting five.

    13. geo: great memory dude…I bounced around a lot when I was young, but, for the most part I did grow up around the Medford, Holbrook, Ronkonkoma (?), Sayville, Patchogue area…

      man, I can still remember the nice old style main street Patchogue had back then…also, so many great spots along the water to explore and spend time around…

      are you familiar with the area dude?

      I worked in the Ronkonkoma area for many years, geo. When I first started out there I believe that there was a Howard Johnsons and not much else.

    14. Ingmarrrr:
      TheClashFan’s methods aside, there is no way I score 20 points in an NBA season. I’m not even sure I can catch the ball against the worse defenders in the league, let alone get a shot off.

      I played local rec league basketball for years, including against some ex-college guys who were pretty much nobodies. Even those guys were ridiculously athletic compared to most of the rest of us.

      Your only hope would be that they’d just leave you alone b/c you are no threat. Maybe then you get a few shots off…

    15. TheClashFan: Your only hope would be that they’d just leave you alone b/c you are no threat. Maybe then you get a few shots off…

      Let’s use Elfrid Payton as a clue to the answer here. He made 28 3pters last year. Of course he shot 98 times to make those 28, but I’m willing to bet most of those were uncontested, because Elfrid Payton sucks.

      So go down to the court and see if you can hit at least 7 out of 25 3 pters. Because if any of us were in an NBA game, I’m pretty sure they’d leave us as open as they left Elf.

    16. In fact all but two of Elf’s 98 three pointers were either open or very open. He missed the two that were not. (He missed the vast majority of the other ones, too…)

    17. Raven: Let’s use Elfrid Payton as a clue to the answer here. He made 28 3pters last year. Of course he shot 98 times to make those 28, but I’m willing to bet most of those were uncontested, because Elfrid Payton sucks.

      So go down to the court and see if you can hit at least 7 out of 25 3 pters. Because if any of us were in an NBA game, I’m pretty sure they’d leave us as open as they left Elf.

      True, unless you start hitting shots, then they might take an interest. I remember one game where we were getting beat by like 20 or so by some good team. It was in the 2nd half and they were half-assing it on D. So, I suddenly hit threes on three consecutive possessions…and didn’t get another shot off the rest of the game! One of their guys blanketed me after that…

    18. Elf had a rabbi in Thibs. That’s how he was able to get enough minutes to hoist up those 98 threes in the first place.

      Doubtful anyone who posts on this site would be allowed to see enough court time to even attempt more than 7 threes in a season, let alone make them. Yes, even against the Knicks starting five.

    19. I’m imagining the coach putting you in for like one offensive set a game, and subbing you out before your ankles are broken and your body is crushed on the defensive end.

      It’d mean you’d have to take almost a third of the shots on those possessions, but maybe, given that the other team would be playing five on four and you’d be the only open guy…

    20. To get in on the Long Island discussion: grew up in Port Jeff Station, have family throughout Ronkonkoma and Patchogue. Don’t miss it much because it’s ultimately still a suburb but I do miss downport, the ocean, the beach, Colosseo, and Strathmore Bagels…

    21. Ok here’s some game theory, of sorts. Let’s say the coach has to give me 10 minutes a game. Mandatory. How do you minimize the damage?

      Can’t wait for the end of the game because I’m an iffffffiiiiii choice for closing and you cannot just hope for a blowout.

      So, how do you as coach allocate my disastrous minutes? What are your options? Do you even win one game, or go 0:82? Now that’s real life.

    22. no doubt the jewel of long island is at the east end, but, throughout the island itself there’s a lot of really great spots along both the north and south shores…

      I love all the native american names throughout the area…I remember growing up and learning a bit about the “5 tribes” of new york (I think there were 5 major tribes) in school…

      kind of sad the only thing remaining of their cultures is their names and lacrosse…

      yep, corn, beans and squash…

    23. I think in the hypothetical you were guaranteed 20 minutes per game, because in any scenario in which you have to actually earn PT this is an easy no.

      I wouldn’t risk it, but think most reasonably athletic people could get there with absolute prayer 3s. Unless, that is, the defense is aware of the arrangement and specifically wants to stop you. Then you’re scoring 0 all season.

    24. ***Unless, that is, the defense is aware of the arrangement and specifically wants to stop you. Then you’re scoring 0 all season.***

      Well, in THIS scenario your coach is also aware of the arrangement and specifically wants to save you. So he runs the Picket Fence for you every time, or brings you off 4 baseline screens the way Larry Brown used to when Reggie Miller always ended up with ball in his hands and a clean look at the end of every Knicks game.

      (Ultimately, you only need to win the Jimmer award once, then you can buy all the League Pass you want)

    25. geo, they actually turned Sunrise Highway into a real highway from the Southern State Pkwy out past Patchogue about 15 years ago. Can you imagine?

    26. There’s actually a very good tennis tournament on called the Nitto Championship. I believe it’s the final tournament of the year, with the top 8 players in a round robin format. On now from Turin, Italy.

    27. There’s actually a very good tennis tournament on called the Nitto Championship. I believe it’s the final tournament of the year, with the top 8 players in a round robin format. On now from Turin, Italy.

      It’s the old ATP Finals with a new name because money reigns supreme…

    28. oh man, serious flashback dude…after high school went to a prep school in ft. monmouth jersey…

      mom was foolish enough to let me take her ’77 mustard colored mgb convertible (it was the little bit bigger style)…

      kind of a crap built car, but man did it have some great suspension and a decent motor…

      the southern state was a beautiful old road to run on…

      used to love that ft. monmouth to patchogue drive on the weekends…well, at least once you got past the jersey, staten island and JFK parts…

    29. Yes but a very good tournament nonetheless. On all week.

      Yes, absolutely. As you said these are the 8 best players of the year and they play for a lot of money, good motivations :-)

    30. Excerpts from Berman of the Post’s report from today’s practice:

      In an attempt to juice the quintet of Kemba Walker, Evan Fournier, RJ Barrett, Julius Randle and Mitchell Robinson, Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau installed a little more play structure and less freelancing on Sunday. That freelancing mode may have resulted in an offense Fournier referred to as “stagnant.”

      and

      Thibodeau sounded like he is close, but not quite ready, to making a move if things don’t improve with the starting five as the Knicks (7-6) open a three-game homestand Monday versus Indiana. After rough losses to the Bucks and Charlotte, the Knicks are 2-5 following a 5-1 start.

      “You want to make sure there’s a large enough sample size to tell you something,” Thibodeau said. “The first thing you ask [is] are we playing hard enough and executing properly? If what we’re doing is not good enough, that’s when you change.”

      When asked directly by The Post if he’s mulling a lineup change for Monday’s game, Thibodeau said “no” but then added he had “a right to change my mind” in the near future.

      and

      The Knicks are also finding their identity. The second unit plays with more speed with Rose pushing the ball more than Walker and Obi Toppin is a racehorse off the bench. In preseason, Thibodeau talked about picking up the pace for 48 minutes.

      “We have to figure things out how we’re going to play,” Rose said unsolicited. “Are we going to run and be a fast-paced team or going to be a half-court team. It’s still early in the year to figure it out.”

    31. Nice win for the Hornets. They’re tough! Maybe that slightly charred draft pick will come our way this year…

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