Knicks Morning News (2021.11.09)

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    93 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2021.11.09)”

    1. It was a classic trap game and we barely avoided it, thanks to Randle late-game heroics.

      We lead by as many as 19 and played a fairly good first half, then unpleasant things happened (lazy defense, bad turnovers, too much Iso) and we lost our compass for a while.

      Noel’s injury soured the taste, let’s hope it’s nothing serious.

      The 76ers were badly depleted and used only 7 players (plus 5 minutes of Paul Reed) but a win is a win, let’s try to be readier for the next one.

      We need to discover why this team is often so sleepy after intermission.

    2. My grades:

      Randle B (31-12-3)
      Basically the only Knicks able to score in the 4th, played like a star in the clutch and saved the day. Maybe his apologists will not be happy with the grade, but he did so many low-IQ choices and infuriating plays in the 2nd and 3rd quarter (one of the main reasons for which the game was so close at the end) that I simply can’t let them fly. Good on the boards, not his usual passing self, I like it a lot when he attacks the rim instead of jab-stepping to death. Last year he had poor talent around, this is not the case anymore and I’m a bit scared of his lasting proclivity to Melo-Morphing Hero Ball but this time it went well and he’ll learn (the sooner the better).

      Barrett C- (15-10-4)
      A decent first half then fell in an inexplicable funk and, with the exception of a timely 3, dented the rim and the backboard with an endless string of bricks (6-20 FG). In the last two games he’s 9-33 (2-14 from 3) with 5 AST and 7 TO. At least tonight he rebounded well and has some crispy passes. We’ve seen this before, but bad-shooting RJ is still a ghastly sight. Let’s hope he’ll go back to normal soon. No need to play him 40 minutes when he’s off like that.

      Fournier C (11-6-2)
      Good efficient first half, with a solid rebounding presence, then only 2 shots in the second. Was it the fouls? Randle’s ball stopping tendencies? Barrett’s happy trigger? Or just a nap? After 11 games he’s still an enigmatic hot-n-cold riddle.

      Kemba C (8-3-5)
      Will he play? Is he hurt? Is he resting? I don’t think we’re getting rid of this questions soon. A nice and-1 when it counts the most and some good assists (plus a couple wasted by teammates). His defense will always be bad, but not for a lack of effort.

      Noel B (6-2)
      Drummond’s a bad customer for his stringy frame but he did his job well, was active on defense and had his moments on offense. The injury was unfortunate, fingers crossed.

    3. Rose C- (6-4-2)
      Uh? We’ve seen far better from him… even in his sleep. The 3 TOs were very ugly. His game was a perfect reverse endorsement for the plus-minus stat.

      Gibson B- (7-8-1 2 BLK)
      Forced to play a lot was solid as usual, a master of digging in the rubbish and transform it in points.

      Quickley B (10 3 AST)
      Good game, good intensity, good passing, good shooting (it was long overdue), a couple of lousy TOs. Looks like he’s slooooowly rounding into form, let’s hope it’s not a mirage.

      Burks C- (5-7-2)
      Inexplicable. The 7 boards are good, but he’s shooting under 40% and sometimes looks like a casual bystander. To paraphrase: That’s what Grimes are for.

      Toppin B- (4-3-3 1 BLK)
      This assertive, active, improved version of Obi is useful but Thibs hate him (only 9 minutes of play) and punish him for every single mistake, while others can do disasters in bunches and still play.

      Thibs D
      I wrote a lot of positive things about him in the past and I’m very very VERY happy he’s our coach. That said, sorry but I can’t understand some of his idiosyncrasies (Toppin’s usage, the Automatic Substitution Pattern that sometimes put hot players on the bench, the refuse to give Grimes some burn after sunday good game while letting the shadows of Burks and Barrett scour the floor as lost souls). Well, nobody’s (always) perfect.

      P.S. I rarely grade Thibs because he’s usually so “constantly good” that I find it pleonastic to do. But he’s in a little slump (kind of) over the last couple of games and I wanted to write about it.

    4. I was all for Burks over Bullock in the offseason after Reggie laid an egg in the playoffs. But perhaps I overvalued the postseason. It would be nice to have the combination of Reggie and Evan to use situationally (like when we’re blowing a double digit lead with poor defense).

      Burks is streaky, though. And there will likely be some games he saves our skin. But maybe Leon should have deferred to Thibs on that one.

    5. I can’t understand some of his idiosyncrasies (Toppin’s usage, the Automatic Substitution Pattern that sometimes put hot players on the bench, the refuse to give Grimes some burn after sunday good game while letting the shadows of Burks and Barrett scour the floor as lost souls).

      This has been a common criticism this year, and I just don’t get it. Thibs has a consistent rotation. NBA players like consistency and knowing their role. When someone performs well in his role, it doesn’t mean you suddenly ask him to do more.

      If you look around the league, you’re not going to see a lot of coaches benching their best player because his backup performed well in his 12 minutes (which many people seem to want him to do with Obi/Randle), or insert a rookie bc a vet has been mediocre for 10 games (Grimes/Burks).

    6. It’s too early to worry. Quick and Randle are just starting to come around, and we still don’t have maximum Rose or Mitch. Plus, a lot of these guys still have to learn each others’ tendencies on D. We might be worse defensively than last year, but this group will get better as the season goes on.

    7. This has been a common criticism this year, and I just don’t get it. Thibs has a solid rotation of players. NBA players like consistency and knowing their role. When someone performs well in his role, it doesn’t mean you suddenly ask him to do more. It’s an 82 game season and you don’t need to bench Burks for Grimes just bc of 10 mediocre games.

      Yeah, this may sound out of character but you really can’t manage rotations like you’re playing 2K. At least so far players speak pretty highly of Thibs, and I think it’s naive to think that has zero impact on performance.

      Having said that, there’s anecdotal evidence we have a Bullock facsimile in Grimes and on nights Burks doesn’t seem to have it it’ll be interesting to see if Thibs can resist making the switch.

    8. This is definitely the most criticized 7-4 Knicks team ever. Just goes to show how success and expectations really do change the expectations of fans. But the criticism is warranted. The team is talented but plays down to the competition, comes out sluggish sometimes, plays poor defense and lets teams get back into games too easily. That being said, we’re 7-4 and last year the team played 500 ball before really clicking and going on a second half win streak. So we do have to just have patience while the team figures itself out. Still, would have liked a much bigger win last night and The Bucks are gonna be hungry for revenge. Next stretch is tough for sure.

    9. Another thing about Thibs’ “idiosyncrasies”: beware of the Peter Principle. Maybe some of these guys with limited roles look so good bc Thibs is using them perfectly and not promoting them to a level that’s too difficult for them right now.

      Thibs’ record with player development is very good, Andrew Wiggins notwithstanding. I trust him on this.

    10. The Randle/Obi question is interesting since in a teeny tiny sample size Obi really has been one of our more effective players.

      My two cents is all the “bench Randle” people are crazy, but it’s not, like, in the CBA that Julius Randle has to lead the NBA in minutes. Steph Curry won MVP playing 32 minutes per game, would it be so crazy to get Randle around there? Seems like Randle would be fresher to close out games and we could get Obi up to 18 MPG or so.

    11. And with Obi, I think it is much less about not liking/trusting the kid than it is about Obi playing the same position as our clear best player — and a player who is built like a tank, at that. Even on nights when Randle is scuffling, so much of what we do on offense is built around him that I understand Thibs going back to him at the earliest possible opportunity, even when every other player in the rotation (RJ included) has their minutes yo-yo a bit from night to night depending on how they and/or their backup is playing. I would like Thibs to be a bit more open to the smallball frontcourt when the right matchup presents itself, but it’s an unfortunate case of us drafting a guy who looks like an NBA player, but is probably limited to only one position on this roster as constructed, and it’s a roster whose best player is limited to the exact same position.

      Barring a catastrophic Randle injury, I can’t imagine a circumstance where Obi isn’t part of the inevitable superstar trade package (or traded to get a piece that will both be more useful right now and be part of the superstar package down the road).

    12. This has been a common criticism this year, and I just don’t get it. Thibs has a consistent rotation. NBA players like consistency and knowing their role. When someone performs well in his role, it doesn’t mean you suddenly ask him to do more.

      If you look around the league, you’re not going to see a lot of coaches benching their best player because his backup performed well in his 12 minutes (which many people seem to want him to do with Obi/Randle), or insert a rookie bc a vet has been mediocre for 10 games (Grimes/Burks).

      Yeah, this may sound out of character but you really can’t manage rotations like you’re playing 2K. At least so far players speak pretty highly of Thibs, and I think it’s naive to think that has zero impact on performance.


      Having said that, there’s anecdotal evidence we have a Bullock facsimile in Grimes and on nights Burks doesn’t seem to have it it’ll be interesting to see if Thibs can resist making the switch.

      Both of you and many others can never get the reason of the criticism, me and others can never get why they continue to do it.

      It’s not an argument where we could find unanimity, it’s a “philosophical” argument.

      if we coached we would do it in a completely different way, it’s not a bad thing, only different.

      When I played I hate the Automatic Substitution Pattern and I hate going to the bench when I’m in a 4-4 stretch even more, because it’s really hard to find the same rhythm later.

      And BTW, what kind of game is 2K? ;-)

      I sadly agree that Obi’s future is with another franchise.

      P.S. Add to this my “european” roots, at high level if the roster is deep rotations are handled differently here.

    13. Trusting your rotation is important. We know basketball is a high variance sport, so there’s no reason to overreact.

      If we benched Quickley for Grimes last week, then IQ wouldn’t have a chance for his current Renaissance. If we bench Randle an extra couple minutes for Obi, then Randle may not go off in the 4th last night.

      RJ often struggles in the first half, only to come out on fire after halftime. Burks for all his struggles is hitting 38% from 3, playing solid on- ball defense most nights.

      Players aren’t machines with consistent output, they need to be allowed to slump and comeback. You never know when a player will get hot hand, give them a chance to get hot.

    14. 9 minutes on a night mitch is out and noel goes down… i dunno… aside from his first two games over 20 min Obi has been steady avg around 12… 1 quarter is not bad relaly … its just how it happens… puny little breathers for Randle…. I mean, the stallion that is Obi Toppin finally gets the heart pumping, the blood flowing, the muscles are feeling warm and cozy, yet incredibly spry… annnnnnnd, in comes Randle… cool off son… getting too hot out there

    15. IQ when hes actually making his shot makes you believe he can be our future lead guard. His defense has look much improved and his assist to TO ratio has been good since SL so it looks like it might be a real thing going forward.

    16. kevin5318:
      IQ when hes actually making his shot makes you believe he can be our future lead guard. His defense has look much improved and his assist to TO ratio has been good since SL so it looks like it might be a real thing going forward.

      loving his on ball defense the most… why let these guards prance up the court? make em work for it…

    17. Burks has played 12,000 pretty good minutes in the NBA and has been his normal pretty decent self this year. You don’t just panic and pull that guy because he’s 0-3 from 3.

      I do think putting Obi out there in the 3rd when we couldn’t score would have made some sense. Just take out RJ

    18. ***Steph Curry won MVP playing 32 minutes per game, would it be so crazy to get Randle around there?***

      Curry averaged 32 minutes per game that year because he sat a lot of 4th quarters all together, just to be kind to the opposing team. You want Thibs to get Randle down to 32 mins, simply have the starters wrap up half their games in the 3rd quarter. Thibs will do it, I promise.

    19. Yeah I don’t think anyone is saying Obi and Randle should get the same amount of minutes, just that OBi should get a few more minutes each half. Randle has a huge load to bare when it comes to minutes played on this team. He is built like a tank but even tanks get run down if you run them all game, all season. Getting Obi up to 15 to 18 minutes every game and giving Randle a few more minutes rest could have positive impacts on this team in multiple ways. First, Obi has been effective and more minutes means more improvement and production from him. It also means a little more rest for Randle, allowing him to be fresh at the end of games. And especially if our bigs are hurt, why are we only playing him 9 minutes a game? He is not a rookie. He is showing massive improvement on both sides of the ball and he brings energy to the team in a way no other player does. He does some stuff that no other player does and that change of pace is a good thing.

      Thibs needs to trust the bench. My only thought is that he is trying to give the starters as much PT together early in the season because he knows the starters need to gel and the bench really doesn’t. So maybe in 10 to 20 games we’ll see more minutes from the bench as a whole bc he’ll feel like the starters are gelling better?

    20. Not to take anything away from the Sixers because Doc Rivers is a great coach- but shouldn’t we have blown Philly out last night? I don’t know what it is, but something’s just not quite clicking with this team mentally in the early going. Maybe the guys are drinking the Kool-aid? Seems like last season- because there were no expectations- it was nothing for this team to consistently get after it. This early season trend we have of letting go of the games we SHOULD win and keeping teams we should beat too close really concerns me. I don’t care if it’s only 11 games in.

      Also, I didn’t like sitting Kemba in the Cavs game. The game before, he only played like 15 minutes. Thibs could have and should have played him in that game. Kemba is averaging 26 minutes a game- he can handle back to backs. And I get that he’s trying to save Kemba for later in the season, but at that particular time- the team needed to get untracked. The bench couldn’t get going without their catalyst in that game. And I’m not suggesting playing Kemba his usual 26 minutes in the Cavs game. Just let him get his work in with the starters. Or..let Duece play with Quickley on that second unit that game or give Grimes more minutes.

      All things considered, I’m not as down as I sound- just a couple observations. I also think Leon needs to go ahead and convert Sims’ deal. We’re going to need him much sooner and more often than we expected. I still really like the way this team is built. When we get rolling, it is gonna be a sight to see.

      Side Note:
      I think the new rules may have broken Harden. He can be this limited still. He’ll have to find a new way to play- I can see KD’s frustration. I think the best thing for them to do is a Kyrie-Simmons swap. Player for player. The Nets don’t play D, and Philly needs a playmaker. As a Knick fan, I would hate to see that trade. But from a pure basketball fan’s POV- I love that idea

    21. Not to take anything away from the Sixers because Doc Rivers is a great coach

      I’mma stop you right there.

    22. “When someone performs well in his role, it doesn’t mean you suddenly ask him to do more.”

      This misses MY point, at least. I tend to agree with the folks saying play Obi 18, but my real concern/complaint is how Thibs is sticking with lineups that just aren’t working, for reeeeally long stretches. The third quarter was exactly that — lethargic, late, standing around on O and on D, heroball shooting and bad passes. The one thing we have is high energy on the bench at multiple positions.

      If your lead goes from like 19 to 2 in a short span, and it’s clearly not just superstar play on the other side, mix it up a bit. And if it IS superstar play (see Rubio), put one of our high-energy defenders on him.

      This Knicks team goes into extended funks. Funks happen, but one looks to the coach to get them out of it. It doesn’t have to be punishment (although as noted, it seems only Obi gets punished, if rightfully so most of the time). It’s about injecting the team with more energy when it’s clear the players on the floor have none.

    23. According to RAPTOR, Korkmaz is actually a top-5 offensive player, and he sort of looked like it the other night.

      With today’s reliance on threes, an 18-point lead is like what a 6-point lead used to be — something that can be erased pretty quickly. And the Sixers are very good at shooting threes.

      In other words: I’m not bothered by the Sixers’ comeback and the close win.

    24. I still think this team is still figuring things out. You can see hesitation on both ends and that’s adjusting to new players and tendencies. Remember last year we were so inconsistent to start and really didn’t hit our stride till that 9 game win streak. It takes time.

    25. But Raven, is 6 minutes in the 3rd Quarter really a long stretch?

      I know “everybody does it” isn’t really an excuse, but everyone does this. If an opposing team is on a run, you might see a coach call a timeout and make some adjustments, but it’s pretty rare in the regular season to see someone’s best players pulled after a three minute run unless they’re really dogging it. The players typically play through it.

    26. Hubert, agree that it’s pretty rare to see it, but that’s a bit like the argument from now long ago that you just don’t see teams shoot a lot of threes. Because… (tradition, sings Tevye…)

      The NBA is a league of runs. You try to put a team out there that can make runs — which we now have (hallelujah!). Then you try to come up with ways to stymie the other team’s runs.

      The current “Leave the players out there and see if they stop playing like Keystone Kops” never made much sense to me. On occasion that happens, but more often the bleeding doesn’t stop until a substitution pattern comes up. Just seems rigid, and late, to me.

      I also recognize one has to take account of wealthy player’s pride and all that. Still, If you’re throwing the ball away and taking stupid shots and not rotating on D, a few minutes on the bench is maybe not a bad thing. See Toppin, Obi for an extreme example. More consistency across the roster might be a good thing.

      One person’s ignorant coaching perspective.

    27. I’ve seen Thibs go longer with the “hot hand” and keep players that look “off” on the bench longer. I don’t think that’s a general issue. I think maybe we are talking more about specific games and players where maybe some of us disagree with how he handled it.

      It’s hard to go with Obi over Randle. Obi provides excellent energy and a different style/look, but he can’t do a lot of what Randle does that we need. We can play them together against some matchups, but not all the time. Obi is in a tough spot behind Randle but until it becomes an issue, it’s not an issue.

    28. Lol at Rivers. Can’t block quote anymore. It’s like my account is deteriorating with age.

      Carmelo had another night. Super impressive. 29 points on 15 t-shots with no turnovers is not messing around.

      It’s like he has decided to be the best player he could be now that he is too old to make anyone believe he is the player he spent most of his career pretending he was.

      It’s actually a pretty fascinating plot twist. People talked about it in Portland a bit but he wasn’t actually that great. He will cool off but is on an absolute heater and making a huge difference for that team.

    29. Maybe Randle should watch Melo highlights? :-)

      (things I thought I’d never say)

    30. Obi got totally roasted by future HOF’er Georges Niang last night. I could understand why Thibs had him on a short leash

    31. Melo only taking good shots because he’s physically incapable of getting his trademark bad shots off anymore would be a funny coda to his career

    32. Happy for Melo playing this well. Olympic version of him spotting up was always his most lethal version

    33. DRed:
      Melo only taking good shots because he’s physically incapable of getting his trademark bad shots off anymore would be a funny coda to his career

      This was a much much better way of putting it

    34. Fred Katz wrote about the Obi minutes conundrum in his new mailbag column, including a quote from Thibs. One excerpt:

      When Nerlens Noel and Robinson are both healthy, those two are due for 48 minutes at center. Randle gets 36, all at the four. Obi Toppin was flying to the rim during Sunday’s game against the Cavaliers. So I wondered, what is Thibodeau’s thought process in those moments? Is he thinking of how to get Toppin more minutes or is the 23-year-old locked into those 12-ish backup ones?

      “Well, he’s gotta play well,” Thibodeau answered. “That’s the important thing. Offense wasn’t our problem (in the Cavs game), so that factors into it, as well. So, you look at everybody. You look at who can bring some energy. I thought Quick gave us some good minutes. But the rebounding piece was important, and there’s a lot that goes into it.”

      It gets back to what Thibodeau has talked about in the past. He wants a big man who can guard the rim — or at least make a difference bothering opponents on the backsides of pick-and-rolls, like Taj Gibson.

      There’s a lot of good stuff in there, including more on the Obi issue and why our starting unit tends to dig us holes early in games.

    35. RE: Obi. If I’m not mistaken, Thibs also had him out there playing center (!) at one point, so I’m not sure that’s the best use of our guy. (3 of his nine minutes)

      Overall, I agree with swift and tnfh. No one is saying bench Randle, but Obi’s gotta play more. It might do Randle some good.

    36. Raven, the numbers so far point to Kemba being the problem, given the on/off numbers when the starters play alongside Rose. (Sunday’s game notwithstanding.) But Katz also notes that this could be early November noise.

    37. Rose should start, Kemba should be the back up. Neither are good defenders but Rose is better. Kemba’s knees and his size…he’s gonna be a negative on defense. We can hide it better with him in the second unit.

    38. Thibs puts a ceiling on the development of players like Obi and Quickley (and even, to a degree, RJ) with his double standards and risk aversion. It’s blatantly obvious. The same things he nitpicks about with them he doesn’t nitpick about with the people he “trusts,” and there’s really no way for them to earn extra minutes or a bigger role, which is patently ridiculous. It’s a massive blind spot for him as a coach and always has been. It’s almost certainly a big reason for The Incineration. Ultimately, it puts a ceiling on the team and the franchise itself. Are the Thibs wins and his clear ability to raise the floor worth it? Still very much an open question.

      Taj Gibson played 31 minutes last night. Obi Toppin played 9. That’s absurd.

    39. “Well, he’s gotta play well,” Thibodeau answered.

      “And if he has a couple bad possessions in a row, I’m gonna denominate him as “not playing well,” Thibodeau continued.

    40. One idea for the blog’s admins – give Max posting powers, because it’d be much more readable in a post than divided in 2 or 3 comments (w/ less width).

    41. No, i’m not happy for Melo, i’m MAD… because he refused to play a better brand of basketball for us! MAAAD!!
      Ok, ok, just kidding, i don’t hold grudges and i’m happy for him, but also a little mad thinking about the what-ifs from his Knicks days.

    42. Ultimately, while he’s great at raising the floor — no question about it, he might be the best in the world at it — Thibs’s ambitions and imagination are too crimped and blinkered for my tastes.

    43. And people, cheer up, we’re 7-4! It’s good, isn’t it? :) And we’ll be 11-5* by game #16! ;)
      * – anyone who wants to know how i got this number has to go to the previous thread and read the very last comments, when i was talking to myself. :D

    44. They were 41-31 last year and it was pure mirage. And the “ultratalented” Atlanta Hawks, against whom the Knicks were said by many to have had “no chance to beat, come on, they’re way more talented Thibs did the very best he could with what he had” are 4-7 to start this season.

    45. E, all merc’d out: They were 41-31 last year and it was pure mirage.

      I think we all agreed that last season we overachieved, hence the “mirage” you’re talking about. But how about this season? Are we overachieving?

    46. Last year’s team was a 47-win team prorated over an 82 game season.

      This year they are playing at a 52-win pace, which to the pea brained proves that the 47-win team was a “mirage.” Because the Hawks are playing poorly.

      Makes total sense!

    47. hi jk, if you have a moment…checking on the wet leg tickets i noticed both of the venues (the echo, morrocan lounge) where they were playing where great spots for nightly live music…

      by any chance – do you know of any similar spots (small venues, live music) like those a little east of the city?

      and, for some of these smaller shows, how far out do you usually need to buy tickets?

    48. Ha, Frank ends up a plus 24 while that punk Doncic was -2.

      Boxscores are so screwy this year. Including ours. How does Drummond get 25 rebounds (and Maxey with 9) yet we outrebound them by 8?

      How is it possible that the Pelican’s bench ran out five players for decent minutes and only one of them scored?

      How does Kevin Lowry play 37 minutes and not score a point?

      There’s just a wealth of weird in there, almost daily.

    49. They were 41-31 last year and it was pure mirage. And the “ultratalented” Atlanta Hawks, against whom the Knicks were said by many to have had “no chance to beat, come on, they’re way more talented Thibs did the very best he could with what he had” are 4-7 to start this season.

      E it’s annoying when you blatantly troll because I actually think your non-troll posts are pretty good. You’re entitled to your opinions on Thibs obviously, but this not a chain of reasoning I believe you genuinely subscribe to because as JK47 pointed out it is completely incoherent.

      What exactly are you even trying to say? The Knicks, who are improving upon their winning percentage from last year, are regressing? The Hawks are bad? A better coach could’ve gotten us out of the first round last year?

    50. holy cow, just saw those $12 and $18 tickets for those two shows are going for $100 plus now…this going to check out live music thing is kinda complicated…

    51. geo:
      hi jk, if you have a moment…checking on the wet leg tickets i noticed both of the venues (the echo, morrocan lounge) where they were playing where great spots for nightly live music…

      by any chance – do you know of any similar spots (small venues, live music) like those a little east of the city?

      and, for some of these smaller shows, how far out do you usually need to buy tickets?

      The Glass House in Pomona gets some good shows regularly, but other than that there aren’t too many good venues east of LA. Pappy and Harriet’s sometimes, but that’s WAY east.

      I’d get Wet Leg tickets early, they have a ton of buzz and will sell out those small venues.

    52. I’m just enjoying E sticking to his current handle to complain about a team where every player but Taj (now in his third season and counting in NYC) and Jericho Sims is signed to a multi-year contract. As someone who has a hard time letting go of a schtick that’s long since expired, I respect the commitment.

    53. Well, I also have some respect for the general practice sticking to a handle that is, in some way, badly outdated. Sorry Strat. I mean W, who was totally not Strat.

    54. RJ is playing 35 minutes a night and he’s not exactly LeBron James out there so give some of his minutes to Obi, a couple from Randle, and give Obi a couple minutes at center if there’s a decent matchup for that. Baby you got a stew going.

    55. Hey guys, JK has released part 2 of Pink Floyd’s podcast-mentary. Can i call it this way? LOL
      And if you guys are thinking “oh no, not Pink Floyd again”, i gotta say that since i started to listen there’s been none about Pink Floyd and all about Carson, California, a wheelchair, a service dog, a pitbull that clamps legs… it’s better that you go listen to it, to know how this ends! :D

    56. thanks jk…saw a show at the glass and the fox close by there…i like both venues a lot…saw a couple shows in riverside, they were comfortable and sounded good too…the pico union was amazing…

      when i was looking online at those location photos, they looked like awesome spots to see a show…a friend said the morrocan is in a nice area by some breweries…something about art…

      the challenging part is not being connected to music that closely to know about bands like wet leg (unless mike k and hubie continue to give updates :) possibly appearing “locally”…

      my sister and her friend, who’s in to music, live further north and go to cool live music events – all the time…and she’s sooooo smug about it – it bugs me…despite the fact i hate leaving my home, i wanna go see and hear cool stuff…

      okay, so LA it is, just gotta figure out the best time/day traffic wise to do the thing…thanks…also need to use technology a little better and research “hot new bands” appearing in LA…i can do this…

    57. The new Wilson ball affecting players shooting seems to be legitimate. I’m sure things will normalize at the halfway point of the season.

    58. Also, the Hawks kinda sucked the first half of last season too and then were really good. Its almost like you can’t really tell who the good teams are and who the pretenders are after a mere 11 games into the season!

      We were 500 the first half of last year. We’re 7-4 now. And yet people are freaking out cause we lost some games we shouldn’t have lost and gave up some big leads. But at the end of the day we’re 7-4.

      Also, ultimately this is not the final iteration of the Rose era. The majority of the players on contract are here for 2 to 3 seasons max while we develop RJ, Obi, IQ, Grimes and McBride, our future first round picks. Oodles of cap space will be available in a few years, maybe sooner if we make some trades.

    59. kevin5318:
      The new Wilson ball affecting players shooting seems to be legitimate. I’m sure things will normalize at the halfway point of the season.

      The Knicks’ 3-point shooting is beginning to normalize a bit, the guys who started poorly are picking it up and the guys who started insanely hot are cooling off.

      The Knicks’ offense seems pretty sustainable to me– Kemba and Rose are probably due for a bit more regression, but I doubt IQ is going to shoot .300 from 3PT all year and I also think there’s room for growth from RJ’s current .348. The Knicks have been a low turnover team (6th in NBA) and are also getting to the line at a good clip (7th in FT/FGA).

      The sucky defense is a bummer though. If we could get to league average on defense we’d probably be a pretty damn good team but that is a big “if.”

    60. Baby you got a stew going.

      Carl Weathers’ cameo in Arrested Development is so underrated. That one scene with Tobias lasts a meme lifetime…

    61. If we can get Mitch and Nerlens playing regularly (another decent sized if) I think we might be able to cobble together a decent defense.

    62. JK47: The Knicks have been a low turnover team (6th in NBA)

      A great example of why the eye test is not reliable. No way would I have guessed this. Perhaps it’s just that the turnovers we do make are so egregiously stupid that they stand out like neon lights.

    63. thenoblefacehumper: E it’s annoying when you blatantly troll because I actually think your non-troll posts are pretty good. You’re entitled to your opinions on Thibs obviously, but this not a chain of reasoning I believe you genuinely subscribe to because as JK47 pointed out it is completely incoherent.

      What exactly are you even trying to say? The Knicks, who are improving upon their winning percentage from last year, are regressing? The Hawks are bad? A better coach could’ve gotten us out of the first round last year?

      I actually didn’t think the comment on Thibs’s ambitions and vision was really all that incoherent. I’ve certainly written things that cohered far worse.

    64. So not only has Mitch looked generally lost out there but he’s injured again. I’m now reducing my offer to him by an AAV of $8 million.

    65. So not only has Mitch looked generally lost out there but he’s injured again. I’m now reducing my offer to him by an AAV of $8 million.

      Another couple of games and he’ll owe you money! :-)

    66. The Knicks’ offense seems pretty sustainable to me– Kemba and Rose are probably due for a bit more regression, but I doubt IQ is going to shoot .300 from 3PT all year and I also think there’s room for growth from RJ’s current .348. The Knicks have been a low turnover team (6th in NBA) and are also getting to the line at a good clip (7th in FT/FGA).

      This isn’t as significant as IQ’s underperformance but Randle is at 21% from long-two range after hitting a Nowitzkian 41% last year. I’ve said before I think there’s no chance he repeats that, but his career figure is 33%.

      Maybe more importantly, I mentioned in last night’s game thread that I’ve noticed him driving a little bit more recently and that’s borne out by the numbers. He’s now taking a quarter of his shots at the rim as opposed to 16% last year and there hasn’t been a drop off in his efficiency there at all. He has 12 dunks already this year after dunking a grand total of 25 times all of last year!

      He really is a gifted finisher and there’s no reason he shouldn’t trade at least some of those long-twos for drives. Normally I’m not inclined to think of this kind of thing so simplistically, but we’re talking about a guy who has literally already shown he can do this. Hell, his best efficiency numbers at the rim (73%) came from the season in which he shot most frequently there (2017-2018, 55% of his shots were at the rim). It truly feels like the lowest hanging fruit so hopefully he keeps up the mini-trend.

    67. I finally saw the Jokic play on Morris and it just hit me who Jokic reminds me of. If there are any boxing fans here, he reminds me of Andrew Golota. I’m telling you, before his career is over Andrew, I mean Nikola, is going to hit someone low. lol

    68. Let’s face it, our Deeefense sucks!:
      I finally saw the Jokic play on Morris and it just hit me who Jokic reminded me of. If there are any boxing fans here, he reminded me of Andrew Golota.lol

      Ha, yes! He has the same face as Golota and the same zoned-out stare.

      Golota was a really talented fighter but was also possibly the mentally weakest boxer I have ever seen. His fight-or-flight instinct was permanently set to “flight.” Not a great trait for a pro boxer.

    69. It’s kind of fascinating to see the seemingly large KB faction that are simultaneously fervent Process-ians and dedicated Thibs-ians. The two things strike me as about as compatible as crude oil and newborn calico kittens, but maybe I’m missing something.

    70. E, all merc’d out:
      It’s kind of fascinating to see the seemingly large KB faction that are simultaneously fervent Process-ians and dedicated Thibs-ians.The two things strike me as about as compatible as crude oil and newborn calico kittens, but maybe I’m missing something.

      There are approximately zero such people here

    71. @TimBontemps
      Without Seth Curry, Tobias Harris, Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons, the Sixers just went out and dropped 39 points in the first quarter tonight against the Bucks, just as everyone predicted they would.

      Feel better about last night

    72. Yeah I was just coming here to say it’s good to see this Sixers squad giving another team problems

    73. Bug-eyed Bobby Portis starts at center for the world champs and has a 19-10 line.

      Meanwhile Kan’t Miss Korkmaz goes 2-18 including 1-12 on 3s, yet plays 45 minutes in a non-overtime game.

    74. Watching Trae Young shoot only 2 free throws against the Jazz definitely does spark joy, I have to say. Their fans are freaking out a bit too much about their record considering the sample size but at least we have that in common with them.

    75. Bruno Almeida: Their fans are freaking out a bit too much about their record considering the sample size but at least we have that in common with them.

      There’s a “little” difference in freaking out being 4-8 and the 13th seed, or being 7-4 and tied for 5th. :P

    76. The standings right now are interesting. The EC is pretty scrambled with MIL. ATL, BOS on the outside of the top 8 looking in. The WC seems to be pretty much where expected in terms of top 8. But all the EC “contenders are within 3 games in the standings and by game 20 everything could be back as expected.

    77. I hoped that the League can finally have a “normal” season, so far I don’t think it’s the case.

      Watching Phila-Milwaukee yesterday without Embiid, Harris, Curry, Middleton, Lopez and Di Vincenzo was depressing but I know I’m in the minority on this.

      Bucks’ fans freaking out is funny, they’ll have their players back and start kicking asses as usual, they’re the champions, they don’t have to prove anything.

    78. OTOH Atlanta is different, with Young declaring that they’re “bored”,
      as if they are due a playoffs spot for divine intervention…

    79. Well there’s no doubt that MIL and ATL will be playoff teams, but it’s still good to see them struggle. Maybe we get a win tonight while the winning’s good…

    80. Z-man: The standings right now are interesting. The EC is pretty scrambled with MIL. ATL, BOS on the outside of the top 8 looking in.

      I think this is what is making us freak out a little. We assume at least MIL and ATL will leapfrog us, but if that’s the case then CLE and (maybe) CHI will come down to earth also. I’m good with our position in the standings, but of course we criticize the team a lot, because we want improvements. That’s natural in every fanbase, i suppose.

    81. Max: I’m glad the Hawks are struggling.

      Well, 4-8 is quite a hole already. I would be freaking out a little, if i was a Hawks fan. And if they think they can go on a 10 game winning streak or something whenever they like, they are bound for a harsh reality check. There’s few bad teams in the league now, it won’t be easy to get long winning streaks this year.

    82. I’m not quite sure the Bucks are 100% fine, mostly because it will be a long hard season for them with health I think. Middleton and Holiday played in the finals, straight to the Olympics and had no rest at all. They’ll still make the playoffs as long as Giannis is healthy but I feel their season will be much more eventful than last season.

      It will really come down to whether the Bulls, Wizards
      Raptors and Cavs are legit in the long run or not. The Bulls are good but incredibly shallow in depth, the Wizards on the other hand have a deep team but are probably overperforming. The Cavs are super young and clearly overperforming and the Raptors are probably just good. I’d predict Heat, Sixers, Bucks, Nets, Knicks, Hawks and 2 of Celtics, Bulls and Raptors are the better teams, but once again injuries will probably be the biggest defining factor.

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