Knicks Morning News (2021.11.08)

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    77 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2021.11.08)”

    1. I did always love Rubio since his spanish days, very good floor general, imaginative passer, great vision, above average defender (when younger), below average shooter.
      Last night was his career day, he was fantastic, but many of his shots were open, including at least 5 threes, and that’s our fault.

      I voted “no” on the poll but Mobley’s play changed my opinion, his defensive awareness is brilliant for a kid that age, his offensive reportoire projected over the roof and he has a high basketball-IQ. His ceiling is a hungrier, badder, better (maybe even way better) version of KAT, a superstar.

      That said, the Cavs are frisky, they beat some good teams and appear on the rise but… if we were what we thought we were this game is a must win, instead it morphed into the third consecutive bad flop at home against presumed inferior opponents.

      This team lacks the hunger of last year and it’s too easy to pin it to the newcomers, Julius and Mitch are far more “defense-indifferent” than Kemba (who’s bad but tries and yesterday didn’t play) or Fournier.

      I hope I’m wrong and It’s still early but sometimes it looks players are becoming indifferent to Thibs’ words (always the same in every postgame).
      In my opinion Thibs himself is not spotless, his management of Toppin is borderline masochist and yesterday, with bad Randle doing damage, it was indefensible.

      I hope for the best but I’ll not be surprised if we go 0-3 in the next stretch (I expect Embiid to score 35), we had an unbalanced schedule that become scary between february and march and we’re blowing chances after chances to bank some important wins during the “easy” part…

      It’s still early but the search for this team’s soul become more urgent with every passing game…

    2. Sounds like Kemba’s at most a maybe for tonight and the story about it in the Post is talking all over about “listening to” the “medical staff” (*) and how he “feels” — which means basically that his knee “lasted” 9 games.

      (*) Shame on me for thinking that Thibs was simply load managing him yesterday in the first of a back-to-back. As if that would ever happen.

    3. These are your 2021 NY Knicks.

      1. If you can’t contain Ricky Rubio you have a serious problem on defense.

      2. If you live by the 3, you are going to beat some very good teams on some nights, but you are also going to die at the hands of some mediocre ones on others.

    4. My (low) grades:

      Quickley B-
      Progress! Hit some shots, passed the ball well, defense is not his best weapon but he tried enough. Let’s hope he’s over the slump…

      Noel B +
      The butter stumps are still there but man, how are defense change with him on the floor. I want him to start… just like last year during out best stretch.

      Toppin B +
      Poor kid. He was literally perfect (4-4 FG 3-3 FT) rebounded, had a nice assist, was active on defense and still, Thibs used him for 11 minutes and gave the other 37 to our confused leader.

      Grimes B +
      Airballed his first shot, quieted the butterflies in the belly and went on to hit the next two, plus he played spirited (even if not always magistral) defense and was the only one that at least tried to keep Rubio in check. The kid can be useful… if only Thibs let him be…

      Burks C-
      He’s been hard for me to judge since the first game, he’s far from last year’s Burks and starts to look as a bad re-signing.

      Sims, McBride, Knox NG
      The “trillion” for Sims and Knox, a missed shot for Deuce.

    5. Rose C +
      The best starter and the only one trying to do something when the unit gave up the game in the third, but his defense on Rubio was… let’s say revisable. ?

      Fournier C-
      He started well and then disappear in the second half. He looks more and more a “rythm player” that regularly get lost when some star starts to sabotage the ball movement.

      Barrett D
      A plain old goose egg. It’s not the shooting, bad nights happens, it’s the defense, the 4 turnovers, the absence of assists and rebounds. Bad game, he’ll do better next time.

      Randle D
      This time the balance between good and bad things hangs on the wrong side. Aside for the way too celebrated block he was horrible on defense, always late on the closeout and helps. The 7 assists are good, but he was -22 for the game, ’nuff said.

      Robinson D
      The contrast with Allen is so sharp it isn’t worth mentioning. His strenght was the quickness and agility that allowed him to harrass the shooters and come back to protect the rim, now that quickness is gone. Many of us are still judging him for the potential, but it’s yeat 4 and the results aren’t coming, time to lower our expectations (and his real value in dollars. Honestly I want him signed so we can at least trade him…).

    6. DRed:
      Mitch only blocked 5 shots in 16 minutes yesterday, you should give him an F

      Blocks are the indication of good defense? Okay, I got the point, Hassan Whiteside is a masterful defender…

      In my humble opinion yesterday his defense, aside for the shiny (and sometimes useless because the other team got the ball back) blocks was terrible and it wasn’t the first time this year.

    7. We lost that game because the Cavs absolutely roasted us from the perimeter-they shot poorly at the rim

    8. DRed:
      We lost that game because the Cavs absolutely roasted us from the perimeter-they shot poorly at the rim

      Yes, the Cavs were on fire yesterday, I’d like to read the numbers on open shots.
      At the same time we were out rebounded 48 to 32, not a good thing.

    9. The conductor of the Mitch Hype Train is right, and it’s fairly obvious. Choosing to make this game a referendum on Mitch is lunacy.

    10. last night was a weird loss given their aberrational shooting. we play 100 games with that exact shot distribution we win at least 70%. even given that, randle’s defense looked really bad to me, incredible block on allen notwithstanding. in fact, the very next possession down 7 we did the same thing (blitzed rubio with noel despite no screen — pretty clearly a bad adjustment btw) and randle just stood at the top of the key with mobley while allen literally wandered into the paint for a dunk. i think i legitimately saw double digit cases of randle making effort related defensive lapses in the game.

    11. The conductor of the Mitch Hype Train is right, and it’s fairly obvious. Choosing to make this game a referendum on Mitch is lunacy.

      I’m not making a referendum, I just posted my opinion (and I gave Mitch higher grade before, in the game with the Celtics and Sixers for instance).

      It’s refreshing to find such a polytheist space in today’s world, we had the Cult Of The French Prince and the Melo’s Disciples, now we have the Followers of Thibs, the Julius Believers, the Mitch’s Worshippers and anyone who dares to make a single criticism of these gods is accused of being a hater, as if the world is always black-or-white…

      It’s hard to be an atheist in the City…

    12. ptmilo:
      randle’s defense looked really bad to me, incredible block on allen notwithstanding.in fact, the very next possession down 7 we did the same thing (blitzed rubio with noel despite no screen — pretty clearly a bad adjustment btw) and randle just stood at the top of the key with mobley while allen literally wandered into the paint for a dunk.i think i legitimately saw double digit cases of randle making effort related defensive lapses in the game.

      He didn’t help Mitch at all,
      most of the time when Mitch went to protect the rim Randle was slow (or out of position) to rotate and help on the big that become free because of the rim-protection.
      And did the same with Noel.

    13. I’m not making a referendum, I just posted my opinion

      I know, Max, I wasn’t referring to you.

    14. blitzed rubio with noel despite no screen — pretty clearly a bad adjustment btw

      I have noticed for a while now that we don’t make impactful defensive adjustments as often and you’d hope. Thibs seems like a better strategist than a tactician.

    15. randle is flat out rubbernecking out there… head on swivel, feet not moving… his rotations are non existent… it bothers me mightily…

      he’s a very frustrating player, more so this year because he hasnt been lights out from his spots… the team has performed at a “C” level at best to this point…

      Where did he go…? theres a better dunk against the Pistons, i cant find link of just it…
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksXuvHVBDnQ

    16. Hubert: I have noticed for a while now that we don’t make impactful defensive adjustments as often and you’d hope. Thibs seems like a better strategist than a tactician.

      It’s all psychobabble (sure) but I do think coaches who repeat mantras like, “If our guys just make their reads and let the game come to them, we will win” — these coaches can ultimately find their players banging heads against a wall in frustration.

      Coaches have to “step up” too. It’s a team effort. In game adjustments are necessary, whether that’s a lineup change, or just finding the right defender (regardless of position) who can shut down the Spanish guy who is “going off.”

    17. KJG:
      randle is flat out rubbernecking out there… head on swivel, feet not moving… his rotations are non existent… it bothers me mightily…

      he’s a very frustrating player, more so this year because he hasnt been lights out from his spots… the team has performed at a “C” level at best to this point…

      Where did he go…? theres a better dunk against the Pistons, i cant find link of just it…
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksXuvHVBDnQ

      Haha. Lance Thomas with the feed. Maybe he’s the answer ;-)

    18. Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn’t really freak out about a game where Ricky Rubio became Kevin Durant for one day and made 8 threes. Just 2 games ago the guy shot 0-7 against the Blazers. It’s concerning that scrubs keep having career nights shooting against us, but sometimes weird shit just happens too and variance eventually swings both ways.

    19. DRed:
      To be a little fair to Thibs, Ricky Rubio shoots a 3 is usually not the worst outcome

      No doubt, but (at the risk of being patronizing to adult male professional athletes) I think when the Rubio comet was going off (and going off and going off), the guys did some peeking over to the bench like, “Hey coach, any ideas?”

    20. Bruno Almeida:
      Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn’t really freak out about a game where Ricky Rubio became Kevin Durant for one day and made 8 threes. Just 2 games ago the guy shot 0-7 against the Blazers. It’s concerning that scrubs keep having career nights shooting against us, but sometimes weird shit just happens too and variance eventually swings both ways.

      I think it’s more the open looks. Postgame was joking that “even Pidto could have made those!”

    21. To be a little fair to Thibs, Ricky Rubio shoots a 3 is usually not the worst outcome

      I was speaking specifically about the example posted: blitzing Rubio with Noel when there wasn’t a screen, forcing Randle to cover. It was designed specifically to get Rubio not to shoot, but it gave up some easy buckets down low.

    22. Bruno Almeida:
      It’s concerning that scrubs keep having career nights shooting against us, but sometimes weird shit just happens too and variance eventually swings both ways.

      Unless you are employed to watch game film all day and know where everyone is supposed to be on the court on every play, it’s going to be difficult to determine how much is noise and how much is bad defense. However, the more often it happens, the more likely it’s not variance. That goes double when defense was the major question mark coming in.

    23. Guys, keep cool, it’s just one game. I’ll wait till tomorrow, because after we beat the Sixers again, KB will be glowing and fantasizing if we’ll go to the Conference Finals or maybe even the NBA Finals. :D

    24. cybersoze:
      Guys, keep cool, it’s just one game. I’ll wait till tomorrow, because after we beat the Sixers again, KB will be glowing and fantasizing if we’ll go to the Conference Finals or maybe even the NBA Finals. :D

      We beat the 76ers last time. I suspect they’ve had that game circled on their calendar. Embiid had a rough night last time. He’s going to be pumped…at least until he gets tired. lol I’m hoping our lackluster effort yesterday was partially related to knowing this game was coming up.

    25. Rubio shot about 35% on wide open 3 point attempts over the last three years, even assuming that we played bad defense on him that was a fluky result.

    26. This has been touched on by pt and Bruno but turns out based on the respective shot charts, the Knicks win last night’s game 90% of the time. There is truly not much to be gleaned from the outcome of that game. It was frustrating as hell because I actually felt like for the most part they played well defensively other than more instances of leaving shooters open than I would’ve liked.

      Reasonable people can disagree if Mitch’s 5 blocks are indicative of how well he played defensively. Reasonable people cannot say he gets a god damn D on the night. Sorry Max I appreciate the effort but there’s no basis for that at all. He saved our skin early in the game. I recall Jarrett Allen absolutely killing us but even his box score is actually fairly pedestrian.

      Some actual questions/takeaways worth discussing: how often/in what scenarios should we go to Grimes? What’s the proper Obi/Randle balance? This one is not a question but if we get that version of IQ going forward, we’re in a good place.

    27. Let’s face it, our Deeefense sucks!: I’m hoping our lackluster effort yesterday was partially related to knowing this game was coming up.

      Me too. And i gotta say that your new moniker is correct, Strat. I never thought the defense could be this bad, but as others have mentioned, i think Julius is one of the main culprits, right now. If the guy you should be following the lead doesn’t give a f*ck about defense, why should you? It’s Melo vibes all over again, i hope it’s just the newborn and that he can get back on track fast.

    28. DRed: Rubio shot about 35% on wide open 3 point attempts over the last three years, even assuming that we played bad defense on him that was a fluky result.

      I agree with you, it was a fluky result and that happens (a lot). But good defensive teams adapt to what’s happening on the court, right? If Rubio looks like KD that night, good teams try to make his KD impersonation harder. And we did none of that. How does our defense fare against this?

    29. I’d love when one of our centers get a fairly pedestrian 18-17-4 17, they need to do it more often…

      Yes, yesterday’s game was a fluke (career night for Rubio, best game of Mobley’s young career),
      but after 10 games we’re 27th in Points Allowed Per Possession.

      Invisible 6Th Man being busted for steroids before the season was an unlucky turn of events… :-)

      P.S. With an healthy Sexton we would have won this game… he would find a way to gift it to us

    30. I’d love when one of our centers get a fairly pedestrian 18-17-4 17, they need to do it more often…

      He had a .537 TS% on the night. As a center. I hope our centers don’t do that often, or ever.

    31. @ShamsCharania
      76ers center Joel Embiid will rest tonight vs. Knicks on front end of back-to-back, sources tel

    32. kevin5318:
      @ShamsCharania
      76ers center Joel Embiid will rest tonight vs. Knicks on front end of back-to-back, sources tel

      So there’s that. Though Drummond tends to play well against us, so…

    33. @ShamsCharania
      76ers center Joel Embiid will rest tonight vs. Knicks on front end of back-to-back, sources tel

      They’re already missing Harris (Covid), Thybulle (Covid), Joe (Covid) while Green (hamstring) is questionable.

      This is a gimme, we must win. No ifs and no buts.

    34. I never understood taking a player out of a game when he’s red hot. Fournier was scorching in the first quarter, got seated, and never regained that form.

    35. Regardless of Mitch’s blocks yesterday, he was terrible. He’s out of position very often and too slow right now to recover. I’m reducing my contract offer to him by $5 million AAV.

    36. Allen wasn’t particularly good on offense, but he was very good on the boards and did some playmaking.

    37. Here’s an interesting question: would you trade the Cavs roster for our roster?

      I think it’s pretty close. Randle (on most nights) is probably the best player on either roster, but Mobley looks super promising and Allen is an excellent center on a good contract. Plus you have Okoro who might turn into something. I’m not a big Sexton or Garland fan, but they’re probably as good as our starting backcourt.

      Interested to hear the blog’s thoughts….

    38. Embiid was going to rest tonight anyway, but now he’s in health and safety protocols.

      And Jaylen Brown — whom Daryl Morey reportedly wants in exchange for Ben Simmons — is out 1-2 weeks with a hammy.

    39. We’re not good in any of the defensive Four Factors, we’re mediocre to bad in all four. So at some point the “well some scrub got hot against us whatareyougonnado” excuse isn’t gonna fly.

    40. Max: They’re already missing Harris (Covid), Thybulle (Covid), Joe (Covid) while Green (hamstring) is questionable.
      This is a gimme, we must win. No ifs and no buts.

      I don’t like this, we’ll think it’s going to be easy and put on a lazy effort like last night. I hope not, it’s still fresh, maybe they learned their lesson.

    41. @IanBegley
      Knicks say Nerlens Noel (sore lower back) & Mitchell Robinson (hip flexor) are questionable for tonight’s game at PHI. According to The Athletic, Sixers’ Joel Embiid will not play tonight.

      Is that the Randle/Toppin lineup’s music I hear? Or just a chance for Greatest NBA Player Alive Taj Gibson to get some run?

    42. Here’s an interesting question: would you trade the Cavs roster for our roster?

      I think it’s pretty close. Randle (on most nights) is probably the best player on either roster, but Mobley looks super promising and Allen is an excellent center on a good contract. Plus you have Okoro whomight turn into something. I’m not a big Sexton or Garland fan, but they’re probably as good as our starting backcourt.

      Interested to hear the blog’s thoughts….

      It’s closer than I’d like (yesterday they were without Okoro, Markkanen and… Love) but I still think our roster should be better for the next two years (this one included)… the future looks brighter for the Cavs, we need to develop our youngsters…

    43. Alan: Jaylen Brown — whom Daryl Morey reportedly wants in exchange for Ben Simmons

      Not even the Wonder Boy is that stupid, right?

    44. I still fully support Thibs but you can start to see the drawbacks. He won’t ride the hot hand if its a young player even if the vet who is ahead of them isn’t playing well. Obi deserves more PT especially on nights he is playing well and Randle isn’t. Our strength this year is our depth but to take advantage of that, Thibs needs to trust the bench.

      I also think its worth asking if Noel should start over Mitch. And Rose over Kemba.

    45. The Scott Skiles Effect has been a thing in the NBA for decades now, so it wouldn’t be shocking if we’re seeing that now, but said effect usually lasts at least two seasons, so this is quite concerning if it is, in fact, the Scott Skiles Effect in action.

    46. Its also a little weird that we’ve dropped 3 games at home. Like the Cavs are pretty good but all things equal we should close them out at home and lose to them on the road. Has the garden become a place where we are more on edge because we want to put on a good show and we play better on the road?

    47. Brian Cronin: The Scott Skiles Effect has been a thing in the NBA for decades now, so it wouldn’t be shocking if we’re seeing that now, but said effect usually lasts at least two seasons, so this is quite concerning if it is, in fact, the Scott Skiles Effect in action.

      I don’t think it is, Brian. Last year we were playing like the Scott Skiles Effect, but this year we’re questioning if they always bring the effort and teamwork. And we’re not good at defense. Right now, we’re the opposite of the Scott Skiles Effect. And we’re clearly not overachieving.

    48. Woj:

      Cleveland Cavaliers guard Collin Sexton suffered a torn meniscus to his left knee, team says. No immediate timetable on a return, more testing to come, but expect Sexton to have an extended absence from 7-4 Cavs.

      More Rubio time.

    49. The heat started out 8-9 when their big three got together before going to 4 straight finals. I’m not saying we’re that good just that teams can take time to gel and we added 2 new starters plus bringing Mitch back. Its not the same team.

      Last year hte offense might have been simple and easier to shut down come playoff time but for the regular season they could grind it out on defense and keep it relatively simple of offense with Randle putting in super human effort to carry the team most nights.

      This year he doesn’t have to do that. He has more choices and weapons as does the whole team. The ceiling is higher but getting to that ceiling is going to take more time because its a more complex team with more possibilities than last year’s team. So I guess its not TOO surprising that we’re struggling on some nights and then looking great on other nights.

      But I do think we need to possibly start Rose and let Kemba be the back up PG. Less minutes, less pressure on defense. And also maybe start Noel over Mitch, play Obi more minutes and give Grimes some PT!

    50. ***I’m not saying we’re that good just that teams can take time to gel and we added 2 new starters plus bringing Mitch back. Its not the same team.***

      It does seem that the FO has made a point of emphasizing continuity, believing that it would lead to prolonged success. Past regimes have been all about roster turnover, but Rose has been the opposite. So I think this is one thing you can’t really hang your hat on. (Unless everybody here was totally blind to the Elf Effect.)

    51. It’s still early but the search for this team’s soul becomes more urgent with every passing game…

      It’s refreshing to find such a polytheist space in today’s world, we had the Cult Of The French Prince and the Melo’s Disciples, now we have the Followers of Thibs, the Julius Believers, the Mitch’s Worshippers and anyone who dares to make a single criticism of these gods is accused of being a hater, as if the world is always black-or-white…

      It’s hard to be an atheist in the City…

      max, the man on fire!!!

    52. @ShamsCharania
      76ers center Joel Embiid will rest tonight vs. Knicks on front end of back-to-back, sources tel

      Drummond is going to have a triple double and Seth Curry is going to go off for 60

      With Embiid out I’m already bracing myself for the Furkan Korkmaz 40 bomb.

      Or it’ll be the Tyrese Maxey game.

      ummm, yep…

      fate or destiny, you call it…

    53. Guys the Knicks are 6-4 with wins over Boston, Philly, Chicago and Milwaukee. They’ll be fine and will win between 45-50 games like most of us predicted. They’re not a championship contender but they’re a pretty good team, no need whatsoever to kinda panic right now.

    54. Simmons for Jaylen Brown might be the best deal out there for both sides. Either way, we are going to need more firepower, but it seems like our only way to compete athletically is to give our young guys more minutes.

      Re: Randle, the numbers don’t seem that far off of last year except for his lower 3pt% and worse defensive metrics (although some of that can be blamed on worse team D).

      I wonder how much of our 3pt shooting woes have to do with the new basketball? I hope the guys are getting used to it.

    55. ***Here’s an interesting question: would you trade the Cavs roster for our roster? I think it’s pretty close.***

      I think the Cavs young players have more upside. But I’ll believe their core stays together and develops into a title contender when I see it.

      It reminds me of a conversation here I engaged in once back in 2014 with a poster who has either since moved on or changed his handle. He argued that he wouldn’t swap the current Knicks roster (the team that Langston Galloway played the 2nd most minutes on, followed by Jose Calderon, Andrea Bargnani, Alexi Shved, And Lance Thomas) for the Warriors roster because the Warriors core “lacked upside” and they were “capped out”. (It was in the context of Steve Kerr making a “terrible decision” for bailing on the Knicks to coach the Warriors that summer).

      So, my 2-cents, yeah I’d swap out for the Cavs right now. But I am certain that most posters here wouldn’t, because there’s something powerful and consuming about the words New York on the current roster’s shirts.

    56. He had a .537 TS% on the night. As a center. I hope our centers don’t do that often, or ever.

      I hope our centers will win Player of the Week soon… even with a .537 TS%

    57. If Mitch and Nerlens can’t go it will be interesting to see if Thibs goes with Taj/Sims or tries smallball.

    58. If we had Darius Garland and Evan Mobley on the Knicks we’d be over the moon with excitement. They also have great, expendable trade chips in Sexton & Markannen to go with Love’s contract. I’d be a little miffed that we overpaid Jarrett Allen, but yeah, I’d be happier if we had Cleveland’s roster.

    59. Maybe i’m the only one, but i wouldn’t trade our roster for the Cavs’ one. They have exactly one player that i’d want to have. The others they can keep them all.

    60. Hubert
      November 8, 2021 at 5:11 pm

      If we had Darius Garland and Evan Mobley on the Knicks we’d be over the moon with excitement.

      *

      And Ricky “Better Late Than Never” Rubio, too.

    61. @FredKatz
      Nerlens Noel (lower back) is available tonight. Mitchell Robinson (hip flexor) is out, Knicks say.

    62. Is my memory failing or wasn’t it Rubio that we failed to trade because we were too late with the papers, back in Phil’s Era?

    63. Max:
      Is my memory failing or wasn’t it Rubio that we failed to trade because we were too late with the papers, back in Phil’s Era?

      That’s what I remember too

    64. And Ricky “Better Late Than Never” Rubio, too.

      What we’d do is call him a possible All-NBA First Teamer after he shoots the lights out like last night, mere days from shooting 0-7 and 1-7 and 3-15 in successive contests between 10/30 and 11/3.

      All we have around here is a bad case of “whatever the fuck happened last night is the one and only truth, but I’ll forget about it in 48 hours” bias.

    65. Bruno Almeida: Leave it to Z-Man to do everything he can to start a fight, I guess it’s been a while so it was due.

      I don’t see how believing that Mitch is significantly overrated by some here (and that’s not an outlier opinion) is somehow off limits, nor do I think I’ve posted anything that should hurt anyone’s feelings, or that I haven’t backed up with references to Mitch’s stats. Frankly, it’s comments like yours and Hubert’s that start fights. I haven’t responded to either your or Hubert’s recent contributions, so why not be courteous and let other posters decide for themselves if I’m starting a fight without needlessly fanning the flames?

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