Knicks Morning News (2021.11.02)

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    1. First off hat-tip to the Raptors, their defense was excellent and their energy way better. They didn’t even shoot well, but they did obliterate us with a combination of steals, fastbreak points, points in the paint (what?!!?) and on the boards (incredible).

      We did play a fantastic first quarter, a dream of what this team can and should be, followed by three quarter of never ending shit.

      RJ Barrett got another great game, everyone else was from terrible to shameful.

      It’s early, 5-2 it’s a good record (let’s see, now we get back-to-back road games in Indiana and Milwaukee) but Thibs is saying the right things postgame, he’s explaining plainly what we must do/don’t and still the message seems to fall on deaf ears.

      There are still more games to play that the entire last season and this rollercoaster ride isn’t confortable but I still have faith in a bounce back game wednesday.

    2. My grades. Starters:

      RJ Barrett A-
      Another good game for the canadian kid, the last one to raise the white flag. He did shoot and rebound well, the minus is for the assists (0), turnovers (4) and fluctuating defense.

      Randle D
      A for the first quarter when he was totally in control, shot in the flow, shared the ball, rebounded and… (check notes) had 4 above average defensive plays against only 1 swiss cheese effort.
      F for the other three quarters, where his evil twin took the reins. How can a player be so swinging in the same game is a mistery for better minds than mine to solve.

      Robinson D
      Started well, took his boards (12), did surprise with his passing (3 AST), hit is FTs. But I expect more from him against Khem Birch and Precious Achiuwa, after he was pulverized by Valanciunas. It’s Year 4 and we’re still evaluating him for his potential. Time to show he can really be that “dreamed” player, on a consistent basis.

      Walker D
      Numbers tell he was decent, but they lie. A sudden stop to his string of good games. Defense is always weak at best, with tips of ugliness. Looks like he’s starting to suffer the Point-Forward Randle gig that follows every Julius’ rebound.

      Fournier D-
      Flu? Booze? Groupies? Covid? Dazed and confused, with a weak handle that caused dumb turnovers. On par with the Magic’s loss as his worst game as a Knick and maybe it’s not a coincidence, surprisingly we go as far as he goes.

    3. Bench:

      Rose D
      Second stinker in a row. He spoiled us so much that every time one of his shot doesn’t fall is a surprise. Bad Rose AND Bad Kemba are not a good combination.

      Burks D
      He’s morphing into a Walking Dead’s spinoff. I don’t know what to say about his start of the season, he often looks disjointed, apathic and plays the primary ballhandler too much. We know what he can do, he’s better start doing it.

      Toppin C-
      Play by play:
      2QRT 6:36 Obi Toppin makes alley oop dunk (NY 46 Tor 33)
      2QRT 6:13 Julius Randle enters the game for Obi Toppin (NY 46 Tor 33)

      The rest is history. To be honest at that moment Randle was back from a great first quarter, but why sub for a player that just ignitized the crowd with a dunk (and the bench has build a bigger gap than the starters)?
      I’m I the only one that thinks that the Automatic Substitution Pattern is a big pile of smoking shit?
      However he was far from his best but tried on defense and deserved more than 13 minutes with Taj out and Bad Randle rolling around.

      Quickley D-
      Did a good job as a distributor, but the shot is broken and the defense flimsy. Raise his hand who think that Deuce or Grimes can’t give us better minutes that this lost version of IQ.

      Gibson C-
      Unfortunate injury. Gave us 10 minutes of nothing on the boxscore (well, 1 assist…) but he’s absence was felt heavily.

      Sims C-
      The grade his for the effort, because he tried hard as hell, but he was unprepared for the Raptors ferocity and he did look not strong enough to survive in a dogfight with a haunted-eyed opponent.

    4. The KnickerBlogger Ticket winner is Erin with 36. Erin is the only one that guessed 36. Had it been +/- 1, we would have gone to tie-breakers.

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    5. I don’t want to make too much out of it because we are 5-2 and 6th in the league Net Rating but I’m officially a little worried about the defense. Down to 19th in the league after last night and that’s without having played a particularly foreboding slate of opponent offenses. Last year we would have ground that Raptors team without any real off the dribble creativity into dust but it was way too easy for them to get good shots last night and it curtailed our momentum every time we seemed set to go on a run. Hopefully getting Noel back will help some but I’m worried that in focusing exclusively on offense this offseason we got the balance a little too far in that direction.

      Obviously we’re more than making up for it on the other end so far with our #3 ranked offense (Philly and Charlotte #1 and #2 somehow) so I don’t want to make a mountain out of a molehill but as a Knicks fan I’m predisposed to see the glass half empty and the defense is definitely the missing element right now.

    6. Congratulations, Erin! Welcome to the community. Also, if you are single and between the ages of 22 and 28, allow me to offer myself as a companion to the game.

    7. The KnickerBlogger Ticket winner is Erin with 36. Erin is the only one that guessed 36.

      Right on target Erin, congrats!

    8. We shot well enough and scored enough points to win last night.

      It’s not like anyone should be surprised that our offense is better and our defense is worse. Not that Mitch is doing anything noticeably wrong, but I’d like to see the defense with Noel out there. He has a different energy about him. It will probably take a few games for him to get in shape, but I think he’s going to help on some nights.

    9. I dont know how long a leash IQ has but the shot really needs to start falling soon its been off since SL. He had a good night playmaking but we need him to hit shots with how many playmakers we have. Grimes or Mcbrides shot could be off but they still offer perimeter defense which we are desperately lacking right now.

    10. No Deeefense:

      Not that Mitch is doing anything noticeably wrong, but I’d like to see the defense with Noel out there.He has a different energy about him.It will probably take a few games for him to get in shape, but I think he’s going to help on some nights.

      Yep, agreed wholeheartedly, last year’s Noel is painfully missing this season.

    11. I missed most of the game, which was for the best. The snippets I did see after that great first quarter tended to involve bad stuff happening whenever Randle brought the ball up the court. I love Randle, and appreciate the many things he is good at, but between his loose handle leading to steals for the other team and his inability (or unwillingness) to get up the court quickly to any open teammates, I’ve had enough with him playing that particular role. I think it’s time for Thibs and Kenny Payne to have a conversation with their star about focusing more on the things he’s best at, and making sure to toss the ball to one of our many excellent ball-handling guards and wings once he pulls down a rebound.

    12. Yeah, I agree we maybe overcorrected with the offense and this is why I think Burks over Bullocks was maybe the wrong move in an otherwise really great off season. Bullocks is a legitimately good defender and having him on the bench instead of Bullocks I think would have given us one more plus wing defender to throw out there. And its not like he isn’t a good 3 point shooter and can’t still give you 8 to 12 a game.

      Maybe it wasn’t possible bc of the team option but if we had our choice, I would have gone with Bullocks over Burks. Fournier and Kemba with an improved Obi and an evolving/improving RJ would have been enough of an offensive boost for us even with losing Burks.

    13. Hubert:
      Congratulations, Erin! Welcome to the community. Also, if you are single and between the ages of 22 and 28, allow me to offer myself as a companion to the game.

      LOL wow Hubie, 29-year-olds are a non-starter? That cutoff is young even by NBA standards…

    14. LOL wow Hubie, 29-year-olds are a non-starter? That cutoff is young even by NBA standards…

      My range at 24 was 18 (legal age in Italy) to 50… Good memories…
      Now at 54 has shrunk at 48 to 60.
      Getting older is a pain in the ass.

    15. swiftandabundant: Yeah, I agree we maybe overcorrected with the offense and this is why I think Burks over Bullocks was maybe the wrong move in an otherwise really great off season.

      100% Burks over Bullock is the one I look at in retrospect. I hesitate to call it a mistake with the information available at the time just because we don’t really know if Bullock wanted to come back, and more critically, I don’t know if we knew that the Kemba thing was going to be an option which was a big tilt of the roster towards offense over defense. But with the benefit of hindsight we could definitely use a more pure 3&D player in that roster spot. If you look at Burks’ lineup data so far most of the combinations just don’t need his on-ball creativity (over 2/3 of his minutes with Rose + IQ) whereas last year we saw him actually going so far as running point sometimes.

    16. I’ve been watching a ton of volleyball this fall (ps my daughter’s team is in her league’s playoffs this Friday) and there’s an expression “out of system” which refers to when the defense gets a hit or serve up but not in a way where the setter can do anything to set up the hitter, leading to just getting the ball over and for the opposing offense to be “in system” for a pass-set-hit sequence that has a high probability for a kill. It seems that Toronto’s aggressiveness on the perimeter (and even in the backcourt) had us “out of system” from the mid 2nd Q on. We either turned the ball over or never really got into our offensive sets, and that kept our defense and rebounding off balance. It seemed that they were in our ball handler’s jocks all night, whether it was Randle, Fournier, Kemba or Rose, and whether we ran iso or PnR. They closed out on everything and we did not have the footspeed or athleticism to shake free. On the other end, Trent Jr. and FVV methodically broke us down and OG was able to get the step he needed to do damage. They seemed to be constantly “in system” and we seemed constantly “out of system.”

      Toronto is going to do that to lots of good teams.

    17. I think the defense will inevitably be a little better once we have our two-headed rim protection monster back–Taj does yeoman’s work on both ends but he’s obviously not the same as Noel and Sims isn’t good.

      Having said that, what I really didn’t like about yesterday had less to do with rim protection and more to do with leaving good shooters open. OG was awesome and he’s a great player, but he wasn’t exactly killing us with dribble moves. He was largely just hitting reasonably open shots. Ditto for Trent Jr. It’s also not the first time I’ve noticed it.

      I am not going to turn this into a whole thing because rookies are generally bad and we have a lot of well-established players, but it doesn’t seem insane to me to give McBride and/or Grimes a shot when this is happening

    18. IQ is hurting us right now. I wonder how much longer Thibs will roll with him if the shots don’t stop falling.

    19. “Yeah, I agree we maybe overcorrected with the offense and this is why I think Burks over Bullocks was maybe the wrong move in an otherwise really great off season. Bullocks is a legitimately good defender and having him on the bench instead of Bullocks I think would have given us one more plus wing defender to throw out there. And its not like he isn’t a good 3 point shooter and can’t still give you 8 to 12 a game.”

      The Mavs gave Bullock a partial guarantee of $5.45 million for a third season, which might have disinclined the Knicks to keep him over Burks.

    20. Re: Burks/Bullock, perhaps giving some of Burks’ minutes to Grimes (or Deuce, but probably Grimes) could be a solution when we’re getting flamed by perimeter players.

      The rationale behind drafting Grimes over someone younger with more upside largely boiled down to him being a Bullock facsimile who could contribute immediately. That crumbles if we literally never use him, obviously.

      Again I am not suggesting putting him in the rotation full-time because overall we’re probably best off with the current group, but this is not a raw 19 year-old and if Thibs was okay with putting in [redacted] for a single possession every now and then this shouldn’t be much of a stretch.

    21. thenamestsam: 100% Burks over Bullock is the one I look at in retrospect. I hesitate to call it a mistake with the information available at the time just because we don’t really know if Bullock wanted to come back, and more critically, I don’t know if we knew that the Kemba thing was going to be an option which was a big tilt of the roster towards offense over defense. But with the benefit of hindsight we could definitely use a more pure 3&D player in that roster spot. If you look at Burks’ lineup data so far most of the combinations just don’t need his on-ball creativity (over 2/3 of his minutes with Rose + IQ) whereas last year we saw him actually going so far as running point sometimes.

      I doubt that Bullock would have made any difference last night. Our problem was that we couldn’t run our offense well enough to keep up. We had the 2nd ranked offense (first by some metrics) going into that game, and were held to 23 and 22 points in the second and 3rd quarters. It doesn’t take a great offense to outscore those numbers. If Bullock were in there, Toronto would have Svi right in his grille and he would not have scored at all. At least Burks could work his way into some reasonable looks.

    22. While it is intriguing to see a player like Myles Turner in our starting 5..I don’t want that trade. Mitch can be everything that Myles is..easily. He’s already a better rebounder. All he needs is the confidence and green light to take a couple jumpers a game. A couple. As in 2. Once he gets used to doing that, he can then show the range he’s been exhibiting in offseason workouts. I don’t know if he hasn’t attempted any jumpers in game because of his confidence, or Thibs doesn’t want him taking that shot. I think it’s the former because Joakim Noah took plenty of jumpers for his Bulls teams.

      Besides..I don’t see Indy saying yes to moving Turner for a package built around Mitch. They’re not gonna want to lose that spacing with Mitch not shooting outside the restricted area. I’d rather Mitch work on his confidence in in game shooting. Again- he doesn’t necessarily need to take as many shots as Turner. 2 a game outside of putbacks and lobs are just fine

    23. thenoblefacehumper:
      Re: Burks/Bullock, perhaps giving some of Burks’ minutes to Grimes (or Deuce, but probably Grimes) could be a solution when we’re getting flamed by perimeter players.

      The rationale behind drafting Grimes over someone younger with more upside largely boiled down to him being a Bullock facsimile who could contribute immediately. That crumbles if we literally never use him, obviously.

      Again I am not suggesting putting him in the rotation full-time because overall we’re probably best off with the current group, but this is not a raw 19 year-old and if Thibs was okay with putting in [redacted] for a single possession every now and then this shouldn’t be much of a stretch.

      I agree, and would give Deuce a shot as well. Throw a young, aggressive, physical athletic backcourt out there and see what happens.

      I dunno, maybe Thibs sees value in the whole “either you win or you learn” thing, meaning that the starters need to take their lumps to adjust to different playing styles.

    24. And yes..I’m purposely avoiding talking about last night’s game. It appears when we have brain farts, they are really smelly- as evidenced by the Magic loss, the Pels game, and last night. Those 3 were teams that we were SUPPOSED to beat..not take lightly. I don’t like this early season trend. Nick Nurse is a phenomenal coach..but this year’s team has no Lowry, and last night they were without Siakam and Barnes. There is no excuse for losing control of that game..just like there was no excuse for us to allow the Pels sins Ingram and Zion to stay so close.

      See..look what I made me do..I talked about last night lol

    25. Yeah it does seem like we have too many creators who dont play defense. RJ is the only guy 1-3 who we can say is a good defender outside of the rookies

    26. “You can get a win, feel good, and usually that’s when you get knocked down,” Thibodeau said. “You start feeling too good about yourself, you’re not going to have the right edge. Every game you have to be honest. … I believe in the character of this team. We got great character. We’re disciplined. But we got to get back in there tomorrow and get to work.”….would love to be in that gym today to see what he does to them in practice…

      Not too much on x’s and o’s last night…as Barrett said after the game…they just got outworked…

    27. Well lots of good teams are losing games right now, so I’m not getting to high or low on anything. It will be a while before rotations settle in and teams really know who they are. Honestly, it might not be a bad thing if we struggle. As much as I like this roster, it is definitely flawed in some areas. Our point guards both have diminished athleticism and neither RJ nor Julius are as fast-twich vertically/laterally as others at their respective positions. Mitch and Noel will make up for some sins, but we are going to struggle against teams with athletic/quick perimeter scorers that are aggressive on D.

    28. Z-man: I doubt that Bullock would have made any difference last night.

      Yeah I don’t mean that Bullock vs Burks was the difference in last night’s game specifically because obviously who knows about something like that. But talking more generally I think the way the roster worked out Bullock overall would have more use. RJ is really the only good defender among the perimeter players (leaving aside the rookies, who knows about them) so we just end up with a lot of lineups where we don’t really need Burks’ dribble game but we could really use anybody who is a positive guarding on the perimeter.

    29. Thibs said after the game that he wasn’t happy with the officiating but didn’t blame that for the loss. Toronto was playing hyper aggressive defense, blowing up handoffs, blitzing pick and rolls etc. Smart players will recognize that and “sell” the fouls that the referees may not be seeing

      Not saying I want us to go all Harden, but you have to make the Raptors pay when they’re getting up in everyone’s grill.

    30. Oh I’m not getting too low either. I think we’re still better than last year. and yeah, does Bullocks alone make a difference last night? Debatable? But defense is ultimately a team effort and teams exploit the weakest part of a team’s defense. Shoring up the defense with one rotation player can actually make a huge difference overall.

    31. Maybe he’s still getting back into shape, but I think the added muscle has hurt Mitch’s second jump and overall quickness a bit. I hope I’m wrong, but we got outrebounded and brutalized in the paint by a smaller team. Getting Noel back should help some, but we need paint defense and rebounding across the whole lineup, not just at center.

      Also, Fournier has a sweet shot, but his defense is rough, and he’s not a great ball handler. I think he’d be more ideal as a 6th man, but I don’t think that’s an option for this team.

    32. We’re overreacting a bit because it was so annoying to watch a team have that perfect first quarter and then commit every possible mistake in the book, but at the end of the day it’s just one loss to a decent team, in the grand scheme of things it shows stuff we already knew were issues. It might be better to have a deflating loss like this right away so the team can work on those issues, instead of winning playing badly and forgetting about it.

      The team does need, however, to find a way to play more around Barrett, and we need to think about Quickley’s spot in the rotation because he looks absolutely useless out there, which is concerning.

    33. From what little we’ve seen of Grimes and Mcbride they seem pretty advanced on the defensive side of the ball both on ball and help defense. Not like a Shumpert, Ntlikina or Dotson who are only really good at on ball defense and hope their potential shows through.

      They can certainly make a difference especially compared to how bad our guards are at defense right now.

    34. Fournier was dog poop last night… i focused solely on his movement for a good part of his PT and he was just so sluggish off the ball and going for rebounds as well… something was wrong…

      Barrett has a wonderful killer instinct and was the only one with it that actually executed last nite… Quickley sorta has it but i think his bottle is out of lightning… Taj would have been helpful down stretch last night, just because hes a bit more fleet of foot for a big… and as for Toppin… we were getting outhustled and outmuscled, and despite not playing “great”, that’s the stuff Toppin’s most capable of so its a bit of malpractice not to play him in a situation where that was the sorta thing needed most to match Toronto intensity… we needed a bit of helter skelter… randle plods, kemba a little too slow and deliberate, quickley – no lightning or chicken with head cut off… Burks neutral at best… D Rose also looked a little lackadaisical last night … halloween might have done something for real, considering how flat a lot of the guys were

    35. gary trent jr was getting exactly to the spots where he wanted to shoot his Js last night which is concerning… vanvleet and anunoby def. hit some flat out tough shots as did trent… they were moving with and without the ball with quickness and what seemed like a lot of purpose… they knew we’d overplay / bite / or were just too slow to keep up with any inside / outside game… they aren’t even and inside type of team but the forays into the paint were just too easy… our secondary defenders were sagging much too much… it was the perfect storm of what can beat most teams… even the rebounding… we were either sluggish or all that movement, we just couldnt find guys to box… they make concerted effort to crash the O glass… i mean, what bugs me the most is Thibs should have flat out said to the guys… the guys in the black jerseys are how we want to play… the case study is literally right in front of you… so stop walking around on offense waiting and watching for something to develop…

    36. Not yet sure we’re a “better” team than last year. Offensively we have all kinds of new firepower, but if we’re consistently bottom half of the league defensively we’re in some serious trouble. We’re all expecting Thibs to turn that around asap, but fingers crossed.

      Kemba has always been one of my favorite players, but since he’s been here watching him approach a pick on D is like watching a horse that’s just spotted a rattlesnake. Which is seriously weird considering he’s happy to take a pounding on charges.

    37. Yeah, with the new rules and are much added fire power, IQ seems a little lost out there and maybe isn’t quite the young building block we thought he was? It could just be a slump and him adjusting to trying to be more of a facilitator too. But I think we should be giving Grimes a shot out there too.

    38. I think IQ is moving well and making good decisions on the court he just the shot needs to fall. His assist to low TO play(12-4 ratio) is carrying over from Preseason so thats a nice positive even tho its a small sample.

    39. its still early…and we have to wait until the 1/4 pole mark for better evaluation…but in just seven games..to have 3 of them where the after game muttering/sound bites for the press are “we got outworked” or “we didn’t hustle enough” is somewhat alarming…or incongruent with the “Thibs demands the team play hard”…in his quote I posted above…he hints at that fact….perhaps he had more “buy in” last year on a on nightly basis with the “balls to wall” every game…but with some of these guys (kemba, ev4 in particular)…they aren’t going to have the mojo every night and tune out Thibs…we’ll see how this shakes out…I am eager to see what happens on the first extended road trip…

    40. Pepper, I think you could be on to something. Last year the team really did buy in and they outperformed their overall talent because of it. I think covid and also an “its us against the world” mentality with it being The Knicks, being written off before the season started, etc…it gave the team an identity and something to prove that allowed them to all buy in on the Thibs mentality.

      But now we’ve had some success. Randle got his big contract. We brought in some huge upgrades to teh team with Kemba and Evan. They know they’re more talented and also they’re getting way more love in the press bc of last season, etc. So its probably a little harder to get them to buy into that us against the world mentality that worked so well for them last season. But also, teams aren’t takin them for granted like they probably were the first half of last year.

    41. i just looked at the schedule…they don’t have any extended road trips for awhile but between Jan 24 and Mar 13 they play 6 home games and 15 road games…that will be a brutal stretch…

    42. The Knicks are doing pretty good at defensive eFG%, but poorly in the other three factors. Defensive rebounding has been poor, and we’re not generating many turnovers, so we’re being forced to get lots of stops. Plus we’re fouling a lot.

      Not sure what the solution is to all of that, but that’s what’s hurting us.

    43. 24 some hours til next game, it’s a tuesday, we need to get little weird(er) here…

      thanks for stepping up hubie, but – we need more bizarre type input from other contributors…

      julius’ post game from last night…wish i could see his pants, but, really nice jacket and hat…has a birthday Nov. 29, i keep forgetting though this young dad is only 26 years old…

      thibs post game from last night…i’ve never been a hair gel kind of guy, but it looks good on thibs…great question to thibs: “are you more disappointed in effort or execution”…

      RJ’s post game…wow, what a beautiful pullover…pretty obvious – RJ is the team leader we need…just turned 21 though, probably at least a couple of years from really coming into his own…maybe by the time his chin hair and moustache fill-in…

    44. its still early…and we have to wait until the 1/4 pole mark for better evaluation…but in just seven games..to have 3 of them where the after game muttering/sound bites for the press are “we got outworked” or “we didn’t hustle enough” is somewhat alarming…or incongruent with the “Thibs demands the team play hard”…in his quote I posted above…he hints at that fact….perhaps he had more “buy in” last year on a on nightly basis with the “balls to wall” every game…but with some of these guys (kemba, ev4 in particular)…they aren’t going to have the mojo every night and tune out Thibs…we’ll see how this shakes out…I am eager to see what happens on the first extended road trip…

      thibs really needs to build and use an “energy and hustle” lineup…sometime during either the 2nd or 3rd quarter he should have subbed out everyone on the floor, just to make the point…

      seems fitting after the floyd talk yesterday – today’s knick practice theme song: you better run

      like a lot of really good coaches, i think thibs is using the early part of this season to put shit together, and probably doesn’t even really himself expect himself for the team (with 2 new major additions, mitch and a new offensive focus) to gel until after the new year…

      til then, there’s gonna be some more hit or miss knick basketball moments to come…

      #justdowhatdonniedo

    45. Definitely the biggest story for IQ so far is just not making his 3s but his floater game has also disappeared – last year 21% of his shots were 3-10 feet, down to 5% so far this year (and hasn’t made a single one yet). Miniscule samples still of course but I think it’s at least possible that could be a knock-on effect of the changed foul rules as his bread and butter inside the arc last year was getting his defender on his hip and putting up the running floater while trying to bait the foul. If he isn’t taking the shot because he knows he can’t get the foul that’s a significant arrow removed from his offensive quiver.

    46. I think a lot of the defensive woes will be alleviated when Noel comes back. One thing that Mitch isn’t really good at is defensive rebounding–he’s been below average at DRBing for most of his career, mostly because of his penchant for block chasing and switching onto wings in a way that hurts his positioning for DRBs. Noel is historically a much better DRBer (though currently Buff Mitch is outperforming Noel’s DRB% last year) and will also force more turnovers (dudes hands are nuts on defense). So when the bench mob is running with Noel, we’re going to be a little more defensively dynamic than with Taj. That, and being able to go with the hot defensive hand at center on a nightly basis will be really helpful (I don’t think Valanciunas would’ve cooked Noel nearly as bad as Mitch, for example).

      The other main issue I see is that we need a 2nd plus defender at the wing. Right now we only have RJ and he doesn’t force turnovers–he’s more just got solid fundamentals, so not generating a bunch of high leverage plays in the same way someone like De’Anthony Melton does. Getting a 3&D SF at the trade deadline to interchange with Fournier based on matchup might be in our interest if we want to compete this year. Maybe Kenrich Williams, who could be had for, say, Knox and a 2nd?

      With all that said, barring upgrades I see this defense settling somewhere between 11-15th in the league by the end of the season.

    47. Hubert:
      It’s fun to see Scottie Pippen teeing off on Michael Jordan in his new book.

      I’m not going to read it. Give me the choice bits.

    48. JK47:
      The Knicks are doing pretty good at defensive eFG%, but poorly in the other three factors. Defensive rebounding has been poor, and we’re not generating many turnovers, so we’re being forced to get lots of stops. Plus we’re fouling a lot.

      Not sure what the solution is to all of that, but that’s what’s hurting us.

      Yeah I don’t think our defense overall was terrible, the Raps shot 33% from 3 and 43% overall. It was second chance points and turnovers – Toronto had 99 FGA to our 76 and points off turnovers were 21-3 in their favor.

    49. I haven’t seen the data, but just watching the games it feels like all the 3s we are taking are leading to more transition points for the opposition this season. I could easily be wrong though.

      I’m a defense first guy. We obviously needed more firepower on offense, but I think we may have overshot in terms of both the players we swapped and style of play.

    50. d-mar: Yeah I don’t think our defense overall was terrible, the Raps shot 33% from 3 and 43% overall. It was second chance points and turnovers – Toronto had 99 FGA to our76 and points off turnovers were 21-3 in their favor.

      It was a weird boxscore game, we shot better from the field, hit more threes and got to the line more. The game really came down to turnovers apparently. We had 16 they had 8 and as d-mar said we were outscored 21-3 off turnovers.

      I think that ball movement is better then iso heavy offense but that leads to more turnovers. GS was able to force a lot of turnovers during their championship years with blocks and steals to offset their own. I think with the personnel we have this year our ability to cause turnovers will be interesting to watch. I think we should be average to above average at rebounding though.

    51. No Deeefense:
      I haven’t seen the data, but just watching the games it feels like all the 3s we are taking are leading to more transition points for the opposition this season.I could easilybe wrong though.

      I’m a defense first guy.We obviously needed more firepower on offense, but I think we may have overshot in terms of both the players we swapped and style of play.

      The stats don’t really bear it out. If we were giving up a lot of easy buckets you’d expect to see a high opponent eFG%. But we’re 10th in eFG% allowed.

      We’re 20th in DRB%, 24th in defensive TOV%, and 25th in defensive FT/FGA. I guess you could argue that the poor DRB%. That’s what’s hurting us, we’re not taking away enough possessions.

    52. I know a few people touched on it last night but the Marcus Smart calling out Tatum and Brown thing is hilarious. There were questions about the team’s toughness last year but now there are in full dysfunction mode. New coach, same problems. You hate to (love to) see it.

    53. Boston is playing Horford in the starting lineup with Williams, which seems like a mistake to me. The East is big, man.

    54. I still think Noel is a much better defender than Mitch. Mitch will be better at defending the post against the Embiid types, but cutting off drives and being in the right position isore important. On top of that putting muscle made Mitch slower & less bouncy, he’s not covering as much of the floor as he did last year. Overall, I think Mitch looks worse so far.

      Noel should improve the defense, I’m just not sure if he can cover all the weaknesses.

    55. Hubert: Congratulations, Erin! Welcome to the community. Also, if you are single and between the ages of 22 and 28, allow me to offer myself as a companion to the game.

      Hahaha, you brought back memories of the “Porzingis after Instagram models” saga. Thanks for reminding me of such a good times, when the greatest basketball mind of all time was running the show (yeah, we can call it a show… a sh*t show). :D

    56. Fwiw, Kemba on the court: Opp ORTG 120.4
      Kemba off the court: Opp ORTG 97.7

      It doesn’t look great for most the starters, but Kemba still stands out for that disparity.

      Early and all… but yuck

    57. Congrats Erin! And who’s Garson? Another new member? You now have a login, so feel free to join the discussion. ;) We won’t bite… well, i can’t speak for Jowles and Z-Man, but the rest of us won’t! LOLOL
      Oh, btw, Erin, Mike didn’t say it, but you must check in here to tell us how is the game’s atmosphere. ;D
      @Mike: Next time you can ask what tiny amount of seconds will our two backcourt rookies play. LOL

    58. JK47 – I enjoyed the pod although I have never listened to any of the PF music from the era covered. I think you guys did a great job with the whole production. Good structure, moves quickly, but highly comprehensive.

      Excited for the pod on the PF music I am more familiar with.

      I can believe a lot of things about MJ but he’s also one of the very rare athletes who I have felt absolutely compelled to watch at any opportunity. It’s a short list. Michael Vick was like that in college. Federer at his peak. Erling Haaland is almost at that status currently. But it’s a super short list. Scottie needed him a lot more than MJ needed Scottie.

    59. Z-man: I’ve been watching a ton of volleyball this fall (ps my daughter’s team is in her league’s playoffs this Friday)

      Is there a feed to check how’s she doing? It’s quite easy to have it in this internet era. :)

    60. Re: Noel, you all know i’m a Mitch fan, and yeah i’m not happy about how he’s playing, but i think Noel is getting the “since he’s the one missing and we’re doing terribly worse than last year, maybe he’s the saviour” mentality. He’s good, but so is Mitch. The defense is a mess right now, Noel will help, he won’t solve it on his own cause he’s no Gobert, we all know that.

    61. I’m going to chalk it up to the Raps being a tough matchup and assume we will fare better against the Pacers.

      But as good as he’s been on offense, we might need RJ to to focus even more on rebounding and defense. Also, if the dribble handoff is getting blocked, hopefully Thibs can get the pick & roll going with Kemba/RJ and Mitch/Julius instead. We have the talent to run that more.

    62. Although I think the team values continuity some of the holes in our team(mostly defense) might get addressed at the trade deadline. Maybe a rotation spot opens up for the rookies trading one of our no defense playmakers.

    63. Thanks for the kind words on the podcast, guys. Talking in public isn’t really my thing but I’m rolling with it. Some of the other episodes we have coming up: Sly And The Family Stone, Cocteau Twins, Beck, Badfinger, Van Halen, De La Soul, Roxy Music, Bee Gees… I’m in a perpetual state of listening to music for this thing.

    64. I’m in a perpetual state of listening to music for this thing.

      I’m actually a bit relieved my podcast’s on hiatus right now, JK, because I feel you on how all-consuming the prep can be. Especially when the idea is to be as thorough with the discographies as you are. It becomes a whole second (or sometimes third) job.

    65. JK, haven’t listened yet, but I LOVE the eclectic mix. Will definitely tune in on some of these. Congratulations!

    66. cybersoze: Is there a feed to check how’s she doing? It’s quite easy to have it in this internet era. :)

      It’s not my older daughter that was in portugal, although she played as well and is currently in a coed league at Chelsea Piers for 6×6 sand volleyball…but I’ll email you a link…cybersoze@aol.com if I recall, right?

    67. Yeah, and the Bulls did so well when Michael was out…

      Scottie lost me when he refused to go back into that game when the play wasn’t called for him. Love that Kukoc executed the play and Pippen is still whining about it…of course, only because the Knicks prevailed.

    68. Z-man: It’s not my older daughter that was in portugal, although she played as well and is currently in a coed league at Chelsea Piers for 6×6 sand volleyball…but I’ll email you a link… cybersoze@aol.com if I recall, right?

      That’s right. :) Yeah, i know this is your younger daughter. One of my sisters played volleyball also, so i know a thing or two about it. ;)
      6×6 sand volleyball? Now there’s a thing i’ve never heard of. :D

    69. Nice pod, JK. Subscribed it on Spotify. ;) It’s always cool to listen to your voices, it was the same with Alan and his podcast “Too long, didn’t watch”. Almost never the voice matches what i thought it was. :D
      Oh, btw, the podcast being just talk and not a mix of talk and music, was a choice? Or you can’t have music in there because of royalties or something like that?

    70. One child grows up to be
      Somebody that just loves to learn
      And another child grows up to be
      Somebody you’d just love to burn

      Mom loves the both of them
      You see, it’s in the blood
      Both kids are good to mom
      Blood’s thicker than the mud

      scouring the web for knicks gear now, mostly hoodies, jackets and beanies…surprised to see the best selections on poshmark and ebay…

      i never bought someone else’s clothes before, but i’m warming to the idea…i don’t really like a lot of the newer logos…

      the curved KNICKS over the ball with or without that superman emblem and/or the words NEW YORK on top just doesn’t work for me…i like the nYk within the ball outline, or just KNICKS within the ball…mostly the old addidas stuff…

    71. JK47: Some of the other episodes we have coming up: Sly And The Family Stone, Cocteau Twins, Beck, Badfinger, Van Halen, De La Soul, Roxy Music, Bee Gees…

      Hey, where’s The Ramones and The Clash? :D

    72. Oh, btw, the podcast being just talk and not a mix of talk and music, was a choice? Or you can’t have music in there because of royalties or something like that?

      Technically, legally, you’re allowed to use clips of songs under Fair Use. Practically though, the record labels have bots that scour the internet for uses of copyrighted material, and they also have bots that send cease and desist letters to the streaming services, so you run the risk of your podcast getting automatically pulled down. Most people we consulted with told us not to bother.

    73. geo: seems fitting after the floyd talk yesterday – today’s knick practice theme song: you better run

      LOL. Go after them, Thibs! :D

    74. JK47: Technically, legally, you’re allowed to use clips of songs under Fair Use. Practically though, the record labels have bots that scour the internet for uses of copyrighted material, and they also have bots that send cease and desist letters to the streaming services, so you run the risk of your podcast getting automatically pulled down. Most people we consulted with told us not to bother.

      Got it. I’ve listened to it, and now i’m listening to the playlist you guys set up related to the talk.

    75. Scottie lost me when he refused to go back into that game when the play wasn’t called for him. Love that Kukoc executed the play and Pippen is still whining about it…of course, only because the Knicks prevailed.

      Pippen refusing to back down on his actions on that play is truly epic.

    76. JK47: the record labels have bots that scour the internet for uses of copyrighted material, and they also have bots that send cease and desist letters to the streaming services, so you run the risk of your podcast getting automatically pulled down

      I blew the mind of a very-stoned friend when I explained that the Shazam app wasn’t created to help you find a song you heard over the bar’s stereo, but rather to improve the AI recognition of songs by producing a wide range of “test cases” for their algorithms to sift through. And now your YouTube videos (etc.) can be flagged for having the faintest inkling of “Single Ladies” playing through some boombox in the background.

      The future of the internet is here, and it fucking sucks.

    77. JK47: Sly And The Family Stone, Cocteau Twins, Beck, Badfinger, Van Halen, De La Soul, Roxy Music, Bee Gees…

      I am really bored by Pink Floyd (sorry guys) but there are some all-time faves up there. Looking forward to it.

    78. Random, but checked the ESPN box for the Milwaukee-Pistons game and the only center listed on the Bucks (with Brook Lopez out) was Bobby Portis (!). Their starting 5 had Giannis as PF, a SF, two SG, and a PG.

      I checked their official roster and Portis is listed as a forward and there’s a Sandro guy who’s listed as a C-F.

      I guess when you have Giannis nothing else really matters, but I just thought it was interesting in terms of both positionless basketball and wandering away from the classic center as a thing.

    79. I keep forgetting that I don’t have to root against Dallas this year

      (Although it’s hard to root for a team owned by Mark Cuban and with a certain asshole Latvian on it )

    80. Cade is currently 2-14 against the Bucks, oh wow. Poor kid is going to get shredded by the media before he reaches the halfway point of his rookie season.

    81. If I ever figure out how to listen to this new fad called a “podcast”, I will excitedly tune in to hear JK break the KB 4th wall. (Ooh, and a De La Soul episode. Love it. 3 Ft High and Rising never gets old. That Steely Dan/Otis Redding mashup they do still sounds really good good when it comes on my old playlist shuffles).

    82. d-mar:
      I keep forgetting that I don’t have to root against Dallas this year

      (Although it’s hard to root for a team owned by Mark Cuban and with a certain asshole Latvian on it )

      If it helps, they still employ Trey Burke, vocal antivaxxer who has just missed this game due to “not being available during the COVID testing window”, for whatever reason…

    83. Donnie Walsh:
      If I ever figure out how to listen to this new fad called a “podcast”, I will excitedly tune in to hear JK break the KB 4th wall. (Ooh, and a De La Soul episode. Love it. 3 Ft High and Rising never gets old. That Steely Dan/Otis Redding mashup they do still sounds really good good when it comes on my old playlist shuffles).

      My way in was walking home from work. If you have a good 45-60 minute block in your day it gives you a great reason to get into podcasts.

    84. Tyler Herro has assumed the role of efficient Jamal Crawford, which is, frankly, probably an all star caliber player if he can keep this up.

      Also, Lowry is such such a funny guy to watch when he’s walking off the court. When he’s not spanking unsuspecting janitors, he’s doing other odd stuff, like shaking his teammate’s hands instead of giving them high fives.

      And, finally, Miami looks very good. Did somebody here say that Butler didn’t make the list of 75? That’s gonna look silly when it’s looked back on.

    85. No Frank statlines posted here, which already tells me how his game went without even watching it.

    86. I’m very happy for everyone who got in their pro-Frank propaganda within the one game window they had

    87. Bruno Almeida:
      No Frank statlines posted here, which already tells me how his game went without even watching it.

      I just peeked, now that’s the Frank we all know and love…

    88. Z-man: I just peeked, now that’s the Frank we all know and love…

      but he was instrumental in keeping the game close before it became a blow out…does he get credit for that?

    89. Bruno Almeida:
      No Frank statlines posted here, which already tells me how his game went without even watching it.

      Just for you Bruno. 19 minutes, 2-7 from the field, 0-5 from 3, 4 points, 1 rebound, 0 assists/steals/blocks.

    90. pepper: but he was instrumental in keeping the game close before it became a blow out…does he get credit for that?

      Frank was a -6 in 21 minutes. Luka was a -13 in 36 minutes. Therefore Frank had a better game than Luka.

      Or something like that…

    91. vincoug: Just for you Bruno.19 minutes, 2-7 from the field, 0-5 from 3, 4 points, 1 rebound, 0 assists/steals/blocks.

      Oh wow, that’s vintage Knicks Frank, I almost feel a bit nostalgic. Now all I need is Melo missing a contested jumper to take the lead at the buzzer to take me all the way there.

      Also what the hell is going on with Booker, he’s been straight up awful so far. This season has been so weird

    92. Another solid night from Melo. The kid might be starting to figure things out. Like 3 is more than 2.

      (The above was written to summon Ruru)

      Big nights from the Lakers Big Three looks like. And they barely beat the Rockets. I am sure there is a neat explanation for that.

    93. It wasn’t really close by the end but Jae’Sean Tate was so good and Jalen Green hit some wild shots.

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