Knicks Morning News (2021.10.31)

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  • Knicks takeaways from Saturday’s 123-117 win over Pelicans, including RJ Barrett’s career night – Yahoo Sports
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    163 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2021.10.31)”

    1. Classic trap game that we barely avoided thanks to Rowan Alexander Barrett Junior heroics.

      Awful transition-D for most of the night, we continue our trend of playing down (or up) to the opponents.
      The next two games are traps too, at home against Toronto’s sharp defense (P.S. Scottie Barnes is good) and away with the already panicking 1-6 Pacers.

      This team has so much potential I can see us going to Milwaukee at 7-1 but I’m a bit worried because while the new players are thriving some of the old ones are struggling.

      Still, it’s good to be 5-1 (I’m still pissed for the loss) and there’s time to grow.

    2. My grades:

      Barrett A (35-8-6)
      Outstanding in the clutch (with the assist to Taj as his peak), I’m grateful he heard my prayers and went on to attack the rim ferociously all night long, plus he shoot lights out from deep, dished out wonderful passes, took care of the ball (1 TO) and rebounded with gusto. Post game he criticized his own defense, but I think he did a decent job most of the time. A fantastic game, if he can do this consistently then a star is born.

      Walker A- (19-4-5)
      In a night when D-Rose didn’t have it he shined again combining with Fournier to keep us afloat before RJ’s burst. The man is shooting an unsustainable 22-38 from 3 (57.9%) is trying on defense (4 STL and another offensive charge endured) and is probing around the rim more often. Nice stretch of games.

      Fournier B (19-1-2)
      Le Marquis De Saint-Maurice is hitting 45% of his threes and today he went 5-8. He wasn’t perfect but his jumper is wet and his backcourt with Kemba is a soothing view for our sore eyes. He’s not a star but as a very solid 3rd or 4th option he’s great and he’s better on D than many thought (me included)

      Gibson A (13-7 1 BLK)
      As Mark Knopfler would say he’s a solid rock. 4 huge OREB, the usual defense and he hit his Fts. I’m so glad he’s a Knick.

      Randle D (10-6-4)
      Julius! I just declared my faith in you despite your slump and you lay an egg like this? He sleepwalked through most of the game, gave minus effort on defense and at the end look like the kid that want to take the ball home because his friends are not deferring to him enough. That last airball was creepy. Positive notes, he didn’t force too much (only 9 shots) and hit both his threes. He is having a hard time adapting to playing with such good teammates. If he can mesh and learn to be “primus inter pares” he’ll end up happy because we’ll win a lot of games but his ego seems to shun the idea of not being perennially the alpha dog.

    3. Robinson D (8-5)
      Yes, he’s shooting 88% from the field… on 4 FG a night, most of them dunks. Valanciunus cooked, ate and digested him. Hit both his FTs (raising his % to… 46.7). For the third time in 6 games he had 0 blocks. Not his best game, he must dominate the next against the Toronto Dwarves.

      Rose C- (5-1-1)
      He was due for a bad game, maybe we’re spoiled. Still hit a couple of important shots between 3rd and 4th including another 3 (54.2% for the season). Only 15 minutes, he’ll be well rested for monday.

      Burks C (10-3-1)
      Surprising boxscore giving that he zombied through much of the game. I’m still waiting for one of his patented 25-points burst. But why using him as the main ballhandler so much?

      Toppin C- (1-2-1)
      Active on defense (2 BLK), forgotten on the break and on missmatches. A waste if anchored in the corners.

      Quickley F (3-1 AST)
      He’s in a eternal slump (10-35, 5-22 from 3), spiced his 11 minutes with 3 fouls and 1 turnover. Thibs defended him post game but it’s time to test the rookies and his leash has been too long.

      McBride A (- – -)
      3 seconds of play after the 5 against the Magic, but he was ready and didn’t headbutt Thibs as I would have done in the same situation. Good boy.

    4. My grades:

      Barrett is A Plus, Fournier B Plus, Randle D Plus, Robinson D Plus.

      I always forget that the plus sign get lost when posting…

    5. The most important thing for the future of our team is that RJ goes on to reach superstar status, so yesterday’s game was fantastic, if not for more, just for the possibility that RJ’s stardom might have begun in this game.

    6. Testing the plus sign: +

      Edit: @Max, use & # 4 3 ; (without the spaces) to get the plus sign.

    7. It’s early, but that Russ trade is looking like a swindle.
      If KCP, Kuz and Harrell play up to their abilities, the Wiz can be very good, even though they blew their last two draft picks.

    8. Me and my big mouf huh?
      As soon as I tout Mitch’s post defense..he kinda gets tasted 2 straight games by Vuc and Valan?i?nas. Yikes!

      And wowsers! Seeing Zion pre-game kinda makes me happy we didn’t get the top pick- I doubt we would have drafted Ja 1st. And apparently that would have been a mistake too..sheesh!

      I was very happy to see Julius not hunting for shots when everyone else has it goin. A couple of times this season, I’ve seen him disrupt the flow by going for a shot as opposed to trusting his guys. The box score says “off game” for Julius, but this was a huge game for him as far as investing in his guys goes. It will pay huge dividends throughout the season. Julius gets it. He’s becoming a more selfless leader and I love it because whenever he wants- he can go out and get us 30-10-5 in a game. But he doesn’t HAVE TO, and I think he saw that last night

    9. The weird thing about Julius in that game is that it seemed like he wasn’t trying — like he was pouting about something. I’d say hangover, except I always found a good hard game was the best way through a hangover. I’ll be interested to see what his energy level is next game.

      Glad Max gave Deuce an A. I thought so too. Solid defense, no bone-headed plays, didn’t try to force anything.

    10. Randle was pouting about something, he wasn’t happy at all not being the focal point on offense, he even had words with the bench after a classic sequence (dumb play on offense-no effort on defense) and his effort was way below the usual, in stretches he just walk up and down the floor and defended poorly.
      Maybe he didn’t sleep enough for the newborn or he’s simply tired.

      BTW one thing I absolutely don’t like with him, after a DReb he almost never try to start a break with a quick outlet pass, he poses, pivots, pounds the ball slowly up the floor to the other court, gets over the break and then DHO to the PG. It’s maddening.

    11. Max:
      My grades:

      Barrett is A Plus, Fournier B Plus, Randle D Plus, Robinson D Plus.

      I always forget that the plus sign get lost when posting…

      Max, are these your first “A’s” of the season?

    12. Max, are these your first “A’s” of the season?

      Contrary to popular belief no :-)

      I had Rose, Burks and Toppin (A-) in the Orlando’s win,
      Kemba (A-) against Philly and both Deuce & Grimes every time they don’t punch Thibs in the face because he plays them less than 10 seconds…

      And before the final near-collapse I had “As” in Chicago.

    13. RJ Barrett last night looked like Kawhi Leonard. That max extension is being drawn out as we speak.

    14. Max, the only grade I initially took umbrage about was Burks as a C — my hot take was a D. I didn’t feel he zombied, I felt he was doing too much, and badly. He’s usually good for one bone-headed play a game, an errant pass into the stands or a forced shot. And lots of good things, which makes one forced error okay. But last night he was repeatedly dribbling late into the clock, not moving it around, and then either foisting a bad shot or passing it so late that nobody could do anything but also throw a crappy prayer up. Essentially pulling a Bad Randle.

      Everyone’s entitled to a bad game, however, so maybe a C is okay.

    15. “BTW one thing I absolutely don’t like with him, after a DReb he almost never try to start a break with a quick outlet pass, he poses, pivots, pounds the ball slowly up the floor to the other court, gets over the break and then DHO to the PG. It’s maddening.”

      100%…the guy is allergic to giving it to a guard to start the break…maybe it is PTSD because that used to be payton or something but he thinks he is better at certain things than he really is….and bringing the ball up the court on a sure to be fucked up fast break or him walking it up to waste time off th clock is right up there..

    16. We are probably still going to have up and down periods with RJ, but at this point it’s pretty obvious he’s going to be VERY good.

      We knew he could get downhill going left.

      We knew he could rebound well enough.

      We knew he could be a secondary playmaker.

      We didn’t know if he could defend, hit the 3 pointer, and handle the heat of playing for NY.

      He CAN to all three.

      Now it’s just a matter of being patient while he develop his skills further and gets more playoff experience under his belt. Not that I’m in a hurry for time to pass at my age, but I can’t wait see him play in 4-5 years.

    17. I read a stat somewhere that said RJ is, so far, scoring with WAY more efficiency in the restricted area.

      I don’t want to get too excited after one huge game, but that was a really dazzling performance. You have to love his demeanor and his competitiveness.

    18. Randle has to make the transition from being the only starter on the team that could score consistently to having a couple of players that may be better scorers than him on the court all the time. I thought it was going to make his life easier because he’d get doubled less often and have more space. But what’s happening is that even though his usage is going down, the shot quality seems the same or worse. That’s what got me so upset the other night. It seems simple. If you are open or have space and a mismatch get aggressive and shoot. If you don’t, move the ball quickly. But he’s still dribbling too much and trying to create something from nothing. Hopefully, he’ll figure it out and find the right balance.

    19. Bidiong, I’m with you. But at the same time most of these games have involved braincramps and tomfoolery that have led to the other team coming back. We’ve had a pretty easy schedule and our threes are falling like rain. Against the good teams, and/or if our shooting falters, we’re going to have to play hard, error-free ball.

      I just want to see Brian make good on his DiMaggio. Low-IQ plays (and I don’t mean Quick — I’ll put cash money on him getting out of this slump) are the biggest threat.

    20. JK47:
      I read a stat somewhere that said RJ is, so far, scoring with WAY more efficiency in the restricted area.

      I don’t want to get too excited after one huge game, but that was a really dazzling performance. You have to love his demeanor and his competitiveness.

      He had a strong game against Chicago too so hopefully this is the just the beginning.

    21. A bit of a weird comment, sorry, but am I the only one thinking there’s something unathletic about RJ’ steps? For example when he goes to the basket his steps are smallish. Like he has short legs, or a back stiffness or something like that?

      Obviously not a knock on his talent and strength and drive, I totally expect him to be an all star in the next 1-3 years.

    22. A bit of a weird comment, sorry, but am I the only one thinking there’s something unathletic about RJ’ steps? For example when he goes to the basket his steps are smallish. Like he has short legs, or a back stiffness or something like that?

      He has always had a clunky sort of athleticism, and he doesn’t have elite quickness. But he’s really strong, and he’s becoming increasingly skilled around the basket. He’s developing into a really well-rounded player.

    23. Totes McGoats as Totes McGoats: Julius gets it. He’s becoming a more selfless leader and I love it because whenever he wants- he can go out and get us 30-10-5 in a game. But he doesn’t HAVE TO, and I think he saw that last night

      Yes. I saw no pouting from Julius. He’s the best passer and leading assister on the team. Thibs called him a “magnet”. His shot hasn’t been clicking but he’s rebounding and creating. He’s our best player, currently. If our best plans come true, RJ supplants him at some point, but I don’t see that as happening this season, necessarily. Julius is also our hardest working player and our least selfish player. His game is a bit hurky jurky and hard on the eyes, he does give up a few too many turnovers, but, so be it. I don’t understand the narrative from last night’s game thread at all…

      We’re surviving the transition to a new roster and getting road victories already. A twelve point lead is nothing in the modern NBA. You don’t get style points. A win is a win and a loss is a loss.

    24. JK47: He has always had a clunky sort of athleticism, and he doesn’t have elite quickness. But he’s really strong, and he’s becoming increasingly skilled around the basket. He’s developing into a really well-rounded player.

      Are the Paul Pierce comparisons starting to become more valid?

    25. JK47: He has always had a clunky sort of athleticism, and he doesn’t have elite quickness. But he’s really strong, and he’s becoming increasingly skilled around the basket. He’s developing into a really well-rounded player.

      Yeah, clunky athleticism is a good way to describe it.

    26. Raven: fans perceive news that accuses their team of wrongdoing as biased

      tl;dr fans are fucking stupid as fuck

    27. Guys, relax, i’ve come to the conclusion that this is all a Thibs’ plan – come playoffs time, he wants the team to be very well tested when it comes to games on the line. So, it doesn’t matter what lead we have, they will blow it to let the opponent get within reach AND THEN PRACTICE HOW THEY FARE IN CLOSE GAMES.
      So far the plan is going brilliantly. :D

    28. My god, Cyber, we thought Phil could play six-dimensional chess, but this is brilliant. I am now awash in calm.

    29. JK47: I read a stat somewhere that said RJ is, so far, scoring with WAY more efficiency in the restricted area.

      -He’s been great so far in the restricted area, 17-23 73% this season after going only 227-410 55% last season.

    30. RJ was great. Best game on offense I’ve ever watched him play. Even if it was against a crap opponent, it shows what he’s capable of in the right circumstance.

      RAPTOR predicts he’ll take off this year. I wish I were more confident of that. I can see him becoming consistently really good on D and returning to his 3pt form from last year. That’ll be plenty helpful, but maybe only in a Bullock or Burks way where he needs great high screens or needs to left open outside the arc because someone else draws a double.

      To become a max-worthy two-way star of the future he’ll need to become versatile enough at getting his own shot to shoulder a high usage role on a contender when other teams focus their D on him. Last night he showed he might be able to someday. But since he’s not a leaper and isn’t quick enough to get past people and still can’t go to his right, his only other option on offense is to use his fearlessness and strength to their best advantage on high degree of difficulty drives in the paint.

      When they’re falling like last night that looks great. But that seems like a pretty predictable set of situations and a hard way to make a living. It will be very exciting if he’s able to make those moves pay when good defensive teams start planning for him. If he has a few more games like last night, they will.

    31. My assumption is that his better efficiency in the restricted area is due to his getting better and to his decreased usage (down to 20% from 24%) – not being asked to make things happen – and to having more good distributors on the team. But maybe I’m not giving enough credit to his improved skills.

    32. For me the most encouraging thing for RJ last night was that he hit a couple of threes off of the bounce. Last year he was pretty much just catch and shoot but if he can start hitting off of the bounce that’s going to make a big difference in his three point rate which should give a nice boost to his TS%. I’m less convinced he’s solved his problems in the paint- last night they just let him go left whenever he wanted and had no real rim protection. He still needs to prove that he can finish over length and consistently finish going right. But those problems are pretty typical for somebody so young so definitely on the right track. Defensively, he’s really good in iso situations- he’s been as good as Bullock there- but he’s not nearly as good off of the ball yet. But again very typical for young guys and given his work ethic I’m sure he’ll figure it out.

    33. The team clearly values Pull up shooting heavily with their signings and draft picks. I’m sure it was something they wanted RJ to work on a lot.

    34. Since when did Randle become as hated on this site as Melo used to be? This constant criticism of Randle is bizarre.

    35. Re: Julius, although i’m not thrilled to see bad Julius more than i thought i would, i still love Julius and am very happy we have him (and even more with his contract). I think people are criticizing because it’s our “job” and because we always want more (so we criticize where we want to see improvement).

    36. Sorry for being a wet blanket, but I’m not jumping aboard the RJ hype train just yet. He had a pretty good game vs. CHI (20 pts on 15 shots, 3 rebs and 1 ast in 33 minutes) followed by a career game vs. a lottery team missing its two best players. Before that, he had 3 consecutive games where he shot a combined 12-35.

      I agree that he did some things vs. NOP that we haven’t seen him do and that’s reason for hope that he eventually blossoms into an all-star level player, but how about waiting at least until he has a positive BPM before putting him in the HOF?

    37. Since when did Randle become as hated on this site as Melo used to be? This constant criticism of Randle is bizarre.

      Randall is basically a better version of the player we wanted Carmelo to be here: a power forward with the range of a wing, who is good at making plays for others, exploits mismatch as well, it is at least a willing team defender. Julius can also at times get a little too focused on hero ball, and that can be frustrating. But it’s also a long-standing sports fan tradition for a teams best player to draw a disproportionate amount of criticism.

    38. BigBlueAL:
      Since when did Randle become as hated on this site as Melo used to be?This constant criticism of Randle is bizarre.

      What bugs me is that people continually whine about iso-Randle, yet in his last 2 games (both wins btw) he took 11 shots in 35 minutes and 9 shots in 38 minutes and he gets even more criticism.

    39. d-mar: Are the Paul Pierce comparisons starting to become more valid?

      I don’t like the comparison for lot of reasons but mainly because I don’t think RJ is the same genre of player as The Truth. He’s more similar to someone like Jimmy Butler…a defensive stud combo wing who is more of an opportunistic jack of all trades offensive player than a volume iso scorer who is so-so on D.

      Alternatively, he’s more comparable to Jaylen Brown than Jayson Tatum, in the same sense that Brown is more like Jimmy Butler and Tatum is more like Paul Pierce.

    40. Jimmy Butler seemed more apt for RJ than Pierce but he isnt as athletic. Jaylen Brown is probably the closest we’ll see.

    41. Z-man: What bugs me is that people continually whine about iso-Randle, yet in his last 2 games (both wins btw) he took 11 shots in 35 minutes and 9 shots in 38 minutes and he gets even more criticism.

      It’s not the quantity of bad shots I am complaining about. It’s the quality of shots he’s taking. He’s still forcing. He’s also still dribbling too much and winding up with foolish TOs. His usage was going to go down with the addition of Kemba and Fournier. But the quality of his shot selection should be improving, his TO% should be declining, and his TS% should be rising because of all the help. It’s entirely on him that it’s not. IMO, that’s a fair criticism when he supposed to be our best player and we’ve been excusing some of this for two years because he had no help. Now he has help. So improve the efficiency and lower the TO%!!! That’s not too much to ask.

    42. I mean, there are legitimate concerns about the way we are winning…I’m not happy with the way we can’t seem to put teams away…but so far the only big disappointments for me are IQ and Noel. Everyone else is playing pretty much as could be expected, and it’s nice that they seem to have each others’ backs and that a different player is stepping up in each win. Last year, if Julius had a down game, it was almost certainly an L unless someone like IQ or Barrett went off. Seems like we have lots more options in crunch time now….

    43. Frank appears to have carved out a rotation spot for the Mavs. If the Mavs blogs are to be believed, the fans love him so far. He’s mostly still doing his same Frank thing, but he looks less intimidated. He looks like a real player. He may have finally reached basketball puberty over the summer. :-)

    44. ***I read a stat somewhere that said RJ is, so far, scoring with WAY more efficiency in the restricted area.***

      Someone told me that Ja Morant is leading the league in points in the paint. If that’s true, and if the RJ numbers are true, then it may be that somebody wrote a memo to the class of 2019 instructing them to focus on scoring at the rim.

    45. Frank getting some love.

      it looks ridiculous that frankie smokes couldn’t find a team to take him. he’s obviously a smart player making solid decisions most of the time.

      Frank is officially our second best player

      Lol.

      I’m really loving what Frank is doing out there!

      I can’t watch the live feed. How does Frank look so far?

      1. Great! On both sides of the court.

      2. v good!

      3. I’m loving it!!!!

      4. typical Frank on D. has actually made 2 of 3 shots so far on offense

    46. Randle leading the team in AST% when there are real point guards on the team says a lot about how much he’s given to hero ball in general, i.e. not much. The times when it hurts at the end of games are important, though. I suspect that he, his teammates, and the coaching staff may all buy into the hackneyed “you gotta have that guy you go to in crunch time” belief. It’s so and so’s team, almost always seems like BS to me – unless you have an in their prime MJ/Lebron-type. Without that belief, it’s a bit hard to explain some of the more painful moments we’ve seen lately. It doesn’t seem to me like others are trying to run plays and calling for it. It seems like eveyone is kinda standing around thinking that Julius pounding it and going up against whoever the other team decides to put on him is the preffered course of action. Does it look to you guys like he’s hogging it when Thibs and his teammates want him to give it up?

    47. kevin5318:
      Jimmy Butler seemed more apt for RJ than Pierce but he isnt as athletic. Jaylen Brown is probably the closest we’ll see.

      Yeah, but RJ’s strength is phenomenal, and he seems to have excellent lateral quickness and reaction time. In a way, he reminds me of Mase, obviously not as burly but with that same strength-based athleticism rather than the vertical explosion of Brown. But I think RJ can be that kind of player in terms of impact on winning…he’s definitely a very good, if not elite, defensive player.

    48. For the record, I’m a big Julius fan (and I love this team). Just seeing and calling out some weird stuff.

      Okay, here’s my Julius hot-take hypothesis that might explain the oddball play, low shot numbers the last two games, random hero ball, and weird body language yesterday. It could be that Thibs has specifically called him out to trust his teammates and let them do their thing. He’s trying, but he doesn’t know what to do with himself on offensive sets, and is frustrated. He went and stood in the corner a few times a la Obi, but even I think that’s a waste of what he does well.

      Who knows, but it covers things better than a hangover does.

    49. The Mavs’ roster is absolute dreck once you get past like the eighth best player. Frank is beating out some real scrubs for minutes, and even then it’s not many minutes— 40 minutes in four games plus a DNP-CD.

      That is a very shallow team, they really cannot afford any injuries.

    50. Frank coming into today was shooting 33% overall and 30% from 3pt range so yeah he still sucks as usual.

    51. Unreason:
      Randle leading the team in AST% when there are real point guards on the team says a lot about how much he’s given to hero ball in general, i.e. not much. The times when it hurts at the end of games are important, though. I suspect that he, his teammates, and the coaching staff may all buy into the hackneyed “you gotta have that guy you go to in crunch time” belief. It’s so and so’s team, almost always seems like BS to me – unless you have an in their prime MJ/Lebron-type. Without that belief, it’s a bit hard to explain some of the more painful moments we’ve seen lately. It doesn’t seem to me like others are trying to run plays and calling for it. It seems like eveyone is kinda standing around thinking that Julius pounding it and going up against whoever the other team decides to put on him is the preffered course of action. Does it look to you guys like he’s hogging it when Thibs and his teammates want him to give it up?

      Most teams go iso in crunch time because it eliminates a possible turnover on a pass and it puts the game in the hands of your best scorer. For better or for worse, that’s Julius’s role on this team, even with the new additions. Until they get a legit alpha dog, he’s the alpha dog by default.

      And I don’t see anything all that wrong with that. He showed us time and time again last year that he can do that reasonably well…not like the better closers in the league but well enough. The key thing is for him is to at least consider the pass if the defense collapses on him.

    52. swiftandabundant: It shows how much better we actually are that we’re 5-1 and people are complaining about Randle and others not playing well.

      Unless we were 6-0 and crushing the opponents each and every night, WE WILL BE COMPLAINING. :D
      And even then, i don’t know. :P

    53. Nice to see Frank so aggressive on offense, he’s always been too shy.
      I’m not a Frank-stan anymore but he’s a good kid and I wish him the best.

    54. Max:
      Nice to see Frank so aggressive on offense, he’s always been too shy.
      I’m not a Frank-stan anymore but he’s a good kid and I wish him the best.

      My sentiments exactly. Seems like some have a lot invested in seeing him fail, mostly as a way to keep strat from gloating about being right.

    55. Oh boy, the 8th man for the Dallas Mavericks scored 12 points. You know what that means: discussion on a board dedicated to the 5-1 New York Knicks needs to be absolutely derailed.

    56. Complaining when things are going well is, uh, not something we have had the chance to do much here.

      Frank has some positive qualities and I am rooting for him to succeed.

    57. Z-man: I don’t like the comparison forlot of reasons but mainly because I don’t think RJ is the same genre of player as The Truth. He’s more similar to someone like Jimmy Butler…a defensive stud combo wing who is more of an opportunistic jack of all trades offensive player than a volume iso scorer who is so-so on D.

      Alternatively, he’s more comparable to Jaylen Brown than Jayson Tatum, in the same sense that Brown is more like Jimmy Butler and Tatum is more like Paul Pierce.

      The only reason I bring up Pierce is because he did everything so deliberately, almost in slow motion. Like RJ, you wouldn’t call him explosive around the rim but they both manage to find a variety of ways to score

      Not crazy about the Jaylen Brown comp, he’s quicker and more athletic than RJ, (but of course RJ is only 20.)

    58. My problem with Frank has nothing to do with his supporters here, it’s the fact that he represents just how awful the previous front office was. I mean he was the 8th pick in the entire draft, just think about how God awful a draft pick that was.

    59. Frank showing why he’s easily among the 75 best nba players of all times…from France!

      Wouldn’t mind having him in my bench for 1,8M instead of a “Pinson” or a “Selden” but since I’m more of a Thibs/Rose bitch nowadays than a Frankophile I’ll have to go with coach’s/FO’s decision.

      Still an Enigma Player that I’d like to see him succeed

    60. Z-man: My sentiments exactly. Seems like some have a lot invested in seeing him fail, mostly as a way to keep strat from gloating about being right.

      No, it’s actually the other way around. Most of us would be happy to stop talking about Frenchy but his superfan is SO invested in him looking like a success so Phil Jackson doesn’t look quite as bad that we have to hear about it every time Le Bust manages to score a bucket.

    61. ess-dog:
      And so the Mike White era begins…

      Quite a game! Let’s see how long it lasts now that teams will have some tape on him and can game plan for him. Could he be the next Tom Brady? The next Chad Pennington? The next Pat Ryan? The next Matt Robinson? I’m seeing all those bandied about after one game…
      :-)

    62. The Knicks are 5-1 in first place. The Jets win a game against a 1st place team with a QB that never started an NFL game. Pinch me.

    63. I don’t really understand the saltiness towards Ntilikina. He is a bench player who was not a great pick who seems like a good kid, tries hard, hustles on defense, and is/was easy to root for. I didn’t like the pick but for where he was drafted and who was available around him he was a fine pick who didn’t work out.

      People seem to revel in hating on him in a way that does not make sense. It’s not like he sexually anyone like one current Knick and one former Knick, neither of who ever seemed to garner even a sliver of the hate or shitposting that Ntilikina gets.

      I understand why someone might be a fan of Ntilikina and if you don’t want to talk about him don’t. Strat posts less than 10 posts a week about him, just ignore them if you want, but wishing ill and reveling in the struggles of a seemingly decent 23-year-old kid seems shitty.

    64. I’ll root for Frank to succeed because he was always a good citizen that never complained (unlike KP). Frank just didn’t fit here, in Thibs system. Anyone that knows anything about basketball knows that in this NBA, if your point guard can’t score, you can’t win. As a wing you need to be a 3-and-D and he hasn’t been a 3pt threat. So he’s a decent guy to bring in if you need to shut down a hot player but that’s it. His ceiling is bench rotation player but he needs to improve his offense to achieve that.

    65. JK47: No, it’s actually the other way around. Most of us would be happy to stop talking about Frenchy but his superfan is SO invested in him looking like a success so Phil Jackson doesn’t look quite as bad that we have to hear about it every time Le Bust manages to score a bucket.

      Regardless of how it relates to defending Phil, strat’s consistent position was that Frank was an NBA player waiting to happen if he could get into the right situation and be deployed correctly. You, noble and others said he’d be out of the league by now because he sucked at basketball. If he makes the rotation on a good team as a legit 3-and-D wing at age 23, strat wins that particular argument.

      He hasn’t actually done that yet, but still…

    66. Z-man: Until they get a legit alpha dog, he’s the alpha dog by default.

      He was 2nd team all-NBA – top 10 in the league. That’s not alpha enough for you? What he needs is a true beta, a wingman assassin. Fournier, RJ and Kemba all are candidates to fill that role.

    67. Just take the l Frank haters!
      Not the capital L but the small one for now!
      Kid’s still in America!
      ;-p

    68. I think one issue for Randle this year is that he’s getting doubled less and the doubles that have come have come later. He’s had multiple late possessions (like against Lonzo) where he pounded the ball waiting for a double that never came and then threw up bad out of rhythm shots. Last years so many teams just sent Payton’s man over at Randle right away that he had much easier reads.

    69. Maybe we don’t need an alpha dog this season.
      We just need DOGS.

      The truth is that I’m watching pretty delightful Teamball this season so far and not much of iso and ball hogging.
      Can we become better?
      Definitely
      We’re only 10games in with this crew.

    70. GoNyGoNYGo: He was 2nd team all-NBA – top 10 in the league.That’s not alpha enough for you?What he needs is a true beta, a wingman assassin.Fournier, RJ and Kemba all are candidates to fill that role.

      To put it bluntly, no, it’s not alpha enough for me. If Julius Randle is your best player, you are never going to win a championship and probably never going to the finals. But that’s his current role for us and we should expect that he’ll be our primary option in crunch time.

      As to top-10, I doubt that you could find a single serious analyst who would describe Julius as a top-10 NBA player. And in crunch time, where teams tend to iso with their alpha dog, if you have julius as yours and the other team has Durant, or Giannis, or Jokic, or Doncic, or Lillard, or Steph, or LeBron, or Butler, or Trae, or Kawhi, or Booker, or Harden, etc., you are going to be at a significant disadvantage.

    71. It’s just kind of annoying that a certain person can’t EVER just say “Yeah I was wrong about that one” and then move on. Instead we all have to squint at Frank Ntilikina’s garbage time boxscores and pretend like he’s developing into something.

      I’m not rooting for the kid to fail, I’m just sick of indulging the “I was right all along” fantasy. He continues to stink and we continue to have to keep talking about him. I wish I was the kind of person to let dumb comments go by without calling them out, but… well, y’all know me by now.

    72. Personally i enjoy the Ntilikina neverending saga and if his doubters/haters get mad or angry cause kid STILL has a chance to make a career in the league or because Strat and many more see beyond boxscores and stats they better check this out and take it easier.
      It’s fkn sports.
      It’s supposed to be FUN

    73. JK47: I’m not rooting for the kid to fail, I’m just sick of indulging the “I was right all along” fantasy. He continues to stink and we continue to have to keep talking about him. I wish I was the kind of person to let dumb comments go by without calling them out, but… well, y’all know me by now.

      I get that, but at least be fair about it. Frank is not playing garbage time minutes right now. In his last 3 games, he played 13, 18 and 21 minutes. He shot 8-18, including 5-11 from 3. Tiny sample size, but his advanced stats are pretty good so far. So mischaracterizing his current role and saying that he “continues to stink” makes it sound like you actually are rooting for him to fail because of your antipathy towards strat. Which is fine by me, I’m sure as hell rooting for KP to fail!

    74. Personally i root for knicks opponents to fail.
      Or teams with superstars i want to come to the knicks. Especially in the playoffs.
      Not ex knicks players!
      It’s more practical!
      ;-p

    75. Frank came into today’s game shooting 33% overall and 30% from 3pt range, what are we even talking about right now. Frank always has a super small sample size of shooting well before his numbers inevitably fall back to being awful as usual. The fact that a game where he shoots 4 for 6 and scores 12 pts is seen as some type of breakthrough performance is the problem.

    76. If you cherry pick Frank’s best games and ignore the bad ones then yes, he looks pretty good.

      He’s rocking a .476 TS% and a .433 eFG% overall. Pretty Frank-ish.

    77. I mean we have people here shitting all over Randle and downplaying RJ after a 35-8-6 performance but we need to get horny over Frank scoring 12 pts on 4 for 6 shooting?

    78. Randle gets 20m and RJ is a top lottery pick.
      Frank was almost in Europe one month ago.
      Let’s not forget the mocking Frank was receiving then…
      As James Brown would say:
      Payback!

    79. You know who’s a better player than Frank? Dennis Smith Jr.

      He’s giving the Blazers 15 minutes per night of completely passable backup PG production. Let’s talk about him!

    80. JK47:
      If you cherry pick Frank’s best games and ignore the bad ones then yes, he looks pretty good.

      He’s rocking a .476 TS% and a .433 eFG% overall. Pretty Frank-ish.

      He has a positive BPM even before today’s game, that will go up. His TS% will certainly be over .500.

      My problem with Frank has always been about where and why we drafted him. He will clearly never be an NBA PG, and he was so far from being an NBA player at age 18 that it was ridiculous to draft him as anything other than a 2nd round draft and stash flyer. No one was more anti-Frank than I was at draft time.

      That’s a far cry from saying that at age 23, he has no chance of becoming a productive NBA player. I agree that strat is silly for taking victory laps after a couple of decent games, but I for one think it’s pretty cool that he’s getting a real opportunity after haters were gloating about how there was no interest in him this past offseason.

    81. BigBlueAL:
      I mean we have people here shitting all over Randle and downplaying RJ after a 35-8-6 performance but we need to get horny over Frank scoring 12 pts on 4 for 6 shooting?

      In 3 years, RJ has had two 30+ pt games, yet we’re putting him in the HOF after he has a career game against one of the worst teams in the league missing their best two players. I don’t see how that belongs with the other two statements…

    82. DSJ should have been great in Moscow right now. Or in Istanbul. He’d be a star in CSKA or in Fenerbakce. Unfortunately he shit his bed in the nba. Needs to find his lost game to have a chance again in the nba.

    83. thenoblefacehumper: Oh boy, the 8th man for the Dallas Mavericks scored 12 points. You know what that means: discussion on a board dedicated to the 5-1 New York Knicks needs to be absolutely derailed.

      It looks like you can see the future. ;)

    84. I don’t hate Frank as a draft choice. His peer, DSJ, has also had a rough career so far but also seems to be providing value for his team now. But it’s taken them both a long time to develop. It’s not like there were obvious other picks to take instead at the time. The draft pick I really resent is Knox. Many of his peers in the draft taken after him are much better. That’s a lot worse than the Frank pick.

      And anyway, Frank has provided great discussion sometimes.

    85. JK47:
      You know who’s a better player than Frank? Dennis Smith Jr.

      He’s giving the Blazers 15 minutes per night of completely passable backup PG production. Let’s talk about him!

      That’s pretty cool…I have no problem talking about it. I, for one, don’t believe in DSjr ever being a productive player because he seems to me as the PG version of Andrea Bargnani between the ears. But if he proves me wrong, good for him!

    86. I don’t think anyone really wants Frank to fail. He’s a very likable guy by all accounts. I love him and wanted him to be the best guard we ever had. He isn’t going to be that though and he’s very likely not going to get much better than what he is right now at this point.

      It’s really not worth talking about all that much at this point unless he has a whole good season.

    87. JK47 – Frank is actually sporting a 59.3% TS% and a 54.8% efg% on 15.9 pts per 36. He is playing well but he’s also only played 61 minutes and if he is truly our Frank he is about to miss 20 games with a groin strain. But so far he is doing well in the role Dallas has put him in. I am not crying we lost him, I am glad we moved on, but I hope he continues to flourish, and to say he has sucked so far this year is plainly not accurate. He hasn’t done nearly enough or played nearly enough minutes to say anything about his future or make any predictions but at least let’s be accurate in assessing him.

      As for DSj, he is also doing well but he wasn’t drafted by the Knicks and he spent less than half as much time on the team so people are not nearly as invested in him. I also hope him nothing but success.

    88. Knick fan not in NJ: It’s not like there were obvious other picks to take instead at the time.

      I disagree with this. There were older players with more established strengths, like Donovan Mitchell and John Collins. But more importantly, it should have been clear to anyone who put in the time to research Frank that he was an obviously terrible pick at that spot.

    89. Z-man: I disagree with this. There were older players with more established strengths, like Donovan Mitchell and John Collins. But more importantly, it should have been clear to anyone who put in the time to research Frank that he was an obviously terrible pick at that spot.

      You make a good point, and you were right that he wasn’t going to do well for where he was picked. But many analysts had him and DSJ mocked around where we picked him. That wasn’t the case with Knox. Since in any draft you almost always find later picks that do well I consider this a normal sort of draft whiff that all front offices have.

    90. Very excited to say that I’ll be at the Bucks Knicks game this Friday as the KB good luck charm. Good seats again too :)

    91. Bucks looking pretty poor at the start of the season, Brook Lopez being hurt has been a bigger problem than expected.

    92. @Z-Man The reasons the belief in a go-to crunchtime guy seem silly are that: A) it’s inflexible, ignoring who is playing well that night, who could get a favorable match-up etc. and B) it telegraphs what you’re likely to do, making defending a lot easier. Unless your crunchtime guy KD or Steph or someone similar, the advantages of not throwing it away seem small compared to what you give up.

    93. Yeah, along with the absence of DiVincenzo and Jrue. There’s a huge dropoff from the former two and Lopez to Allen, Nwora, and Connaughton. Once they’re healthy though they’re going to look like the Bucks of the last two years, I think, and they’re still a formidable team when Middleton shows up (which he really hasn’t so far). It’ll be a great game still, I think.

    94. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada:
      Yeah, along with the absence of DiVincenzo and Jrue. There’s a huge dropoff from the former two and Lopez to Allen, Nwora, and Connaughton. Once they’re healthy though they’re going to look like the Bucks of the last two years, I think, and they’re still a formidable team when Middleton shows up (which he really hasn’t so far). It’ll be a great game still, I think.

      Shit forgot Jrue also has been out too, yeah that certainly explains the slow start.

    95. Ben R: Frank is actually sporting a 59.3% TS% and a 54.8% efg% on 15.9 pts per 36.

      Ben, where did you get those numbers? I’ve checked BRef and JK’s numbers are correct (TS% .472, eFG% .433).
      And btw, you have also his PTS/36 wrong, at BRef he’s listed at 13.5 PTS/36.

    96. You know who is actually legit and really interesting to discuss? LaMelo Ball. One of the most fun young players to watch in years, the stuff he does should not be working so well against NBA defenses but it’s so unconventional and exciting that I hope he keeps going for them, there’s a certain level of crazy confidence and ease he shows that Lonzo never had in the NBA.

    97. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada: Very excited to say that I’ll be at the Bucks Knicks game this Friday as the KB good luck charm. Good seats again too :)

      Good seats again? Hmm… i think i solved it, Silky is a member of the Straight Shot (that explains the tickets), and that’s why Donnie said he knows a SS member. Am i right? :D

    98. The Bucks might have to rest players often because of Jrue and Middleton playing the finals + the Olympics, so I’m not sure how committed they’ll be to the regular season. They won the championship being a 3rd seed so I doubt they’ll push very hard for seeding too.

    99. When Predicting 9-1 start for the knicks wasn’t thinking of a loss by Orl but since the bucks are wounded we may get there anyway.

      I don’t see Dal-Sac stats yet in BRef cyber

    100. Unreason:
      @Z-Man The reasons the belief in a go-to crunchtime guy seem silly are that: A) it’s inflexible, ignoring who is playing well that night, who could get a favorable match-up etc. and B) it telegraphs what you’re likely to do, making defending a lot easier. Unless your crunchtime guy KD or Steph or someone similar, the advantages of not throwing it away seem small compared to what you give up.

      The reality is that the contending teams have at least one and often 2 players that are going to iso in crunch time unless they are forced to give up the ball. I don’t see how that can be disputed. It happens in virtually every close game. Because of that, it follows that the quality of that player (or 2) is a strong limiting factor in determining a team’s ceiling. By definition, if Julius is your “alpha dog” then the guy he is deferring to is not as good as him. There are (and will continue to be) several teams where the second option is better than Julius.

      So when you say “unless you say that your crunch time guy is KD or Steph or someone similar” you are actually making my point. The guys I listed (Lillard, Giannis, Doncic, etc.) are the “someone similar” part. You need at least one of those guys to be a conference finals-level team, and we don’t have one. Maybe RJ becomes that guy, but if not, we need to find one. Otherwise we will live or die with either Julius doing it, or iso-by-committee with Kemba/Rose/RJ/Fournier taking turns with Julius. But predictable iso in crunch time isn’t going away.

    101. You know who is actually legit and really interesting to discuss? LaMelo Ball. One of the most fun young players to watch in years, the stuff he does should not be working so well against NBA defenses but it’s so unconventional and exciting that I hope he keeps going for them, there’s a certain level of crazy confidence and ease he shows that Lonzo never had in the NBA.

      I was a doubter but he’s really something and fun as hell.
      I find solace thinking that Golden State did pick Wiseman…

    102. cybersoze: I don’t see Dal-Sac stats yet in BRef cyber

      basketball-reference does not update until early morning the next day in US time. Probably won’t see stats from the DAL-SAC game for another 7-8 hours . Maybe Ben uses another site that has instant updating…

    103. Julius is a brave Labrador in a league full of Pitbulls and Rottweilers.
      But he can lead our blind team “Home” if he trusts his team-training.

    104. Cybersoze – I just quickly added in the stats from today myself. I’m pretty sure they are accurate. Today’s game isn’t reflected in his stats on basketball reference yet.

      I personally think we need to let RJ have the ball more in crunch time and keep running our offense. This slow-it-down, run-out-the-clock type offense isn’t working. We need to play to win down the stretch, not play to not lose.

    105. #Ok, so for the season it’s only one good game then (that BRef is missing) ?#

      You call it “one good game”
      Frankophiles tho call it: The start of Fravalanche!
      ;-p

    106. I don’t think the Julius issue is a Julius issue. I think it’s a Thibs issue.

    107. Ben R: This slow-it-down, run-out-the-clock type offense isn’t working. We need to play to win down the stretch, not play to not lose.

      +1000

    108. Max: Dame Lillard has started the season really bad…

      Yeah, the stats are awful until now. Well, but this way the possibility of him asking for a trade isn’t likely. You’re supposed to ask for a trade when the team is failing you, not when it’s you failing the team. LOL

    109. I am not as upset with Julius as most of you seem to be. When I watch the games, I see that a lot of his forced attempts come when the shot clock is low. The team turns to him in those situations and I suspect they are coached to do that. He’s still doing well at passing the ball when the other team keys in on him. Having a lead scorer who defers to others when it helps the team is a good thing. I think it’s better than having a slightly better scorer who is a ball hog.

    110. We had issues in the past too that we seem to solved.
      Starting slow.
      3rdQ masturbation.
      Mechanical Rotations
      Now we have Closing Collapse.
      I think the coaching staff will think of something to avoid sending us all for heart check up.

    111. cybersoze: You’re supposed to ask for a trade when the team is failing you, not when it’s you failing the team.

      Except if your name is Ben Simmons, of course. LOL

    112. Bruno Almeida:
      You know who is actually legit and really interesting to discuss? LaMelo Ball. One of the most fun young players to watch in years, the stuff he does should not be working so well against NBA defenses but it’s so unconventional and exciting that I hope he keeps going for them, there’s a certain level of crazy confidence and ease he shows that Lonzo never had in the NBA.

      I was more than a doubter. I take the L, capital letter.

      And MIles Bridges, early season, is averaging 25.5 and 8 per game.

    113. Knew Your Nicks:
      We had issues in the past too that we seem to solved.
      Starting slow.
      3rdQ masturbation.
      Mechanical Rotations
      Now we have Closing Collapse.
      I think the coaching staff will think of something to avoid sending us all for heart check up.

      Was it just a year and a couple weeks ago that we were slated to win 22.5 games?
      And as you say, working through all those problems.
      i still can’t get my head around then and now.

    114. Z-man: Not sure what this means, but as far as strategy is concerned, I’ll defer to the 2X Coach of the Year.

      I think that Thibs is thinking at the end of games to go to his #1 to run it out.

      I don’t think it’s a Julius wants to own the ball at the end of the game.

    115. We may believe that Thibs is stubborn but he proved that:
      1 plays rookies
      2 don’t burn down starters in every game
      3 trusts stats
      4 trusts 3s
      I guess he’ll find a way to close games better
      AND
      Adjust faster when needed

    116. Ben R: I personally think we need to let RJ have the ball more in crunch time and keep running our offense. This slow-it-down, run-out-the-clock type offense isn’t working. We need to play to win down the stretch, not play to not lose.

      I’m not sure what this means either. If you’re saying that putting the ball in RJ’s hands more in crunch time equates with playing to win, or shooting earlier in the clock when you’re up 12 with 3 minutes to go is better than running the clock somewhat, I would beg to differ.

      My issue with the comebacks by BOS, CHI and NOP is that we need to play better defense without fouling and not turn the ball over. We actually tried some PnR action during all three of these comebacks but credit the opposing defenses for defending well. We had some good looks that didn’t go down, but also had some tough shots late in the clock when we were well defended. For even the best teams, preserving a lead down the stretch when the opponent is frantically trying to claw their way back into a game and trapping and jumping passing lanes comes down to an alpha dog making a critical shot off of an iso.

    117. I think the problem at the end of games is that we are too stagnant, and by doing that all that we were doing that lead to us being up in the game is removed and we play in a way that’s been quite easy for other teams to defend. But we must not forget that we have 2 new players and they need to know each other a lot better to get good at finishing games. They’ll get there. And i think it’s because of that, the need for them to know each other better, that Thibs is closing with Kemba even in games where DRose is outplaying him by far.

    118. bidiong the not so great: I think that Thibs is thinking at the end of games to go to his #1 to run it out.

      I don’t think it’s a Julius wants to own the ball at the end of the game.

      But that’s not how things have gone thus far this year. If you look at a replay or examine the play-by-play for the 3 close games, Julius had some iso opportunities but it was actually a rather diverse array of offensive plays. Sometimes it comes down to guys needing to make open looks. And against Boston, it was Kemba and Fournier that killed our chances in regulation with turnovers and bad defense respectively. That game came down to Fournier and Rose making clutch shots. Julius was largely a facilitator.

      I don’t think there’s a single team that doesn’t run at least some iso for its best player(s) down the stretch of games whether they are winning or losing.

    119. Those are interesting observations.

      It would be interesting to see a detailed rundown of the numbers. I would kind of agree that things have gone wrong in different ways in different games we have given up the lead.

    120. Idk if the problem is closing or being unable to maintain the safe lead towards the end.
      Looks like psychological to me.
      Like playoffs ptsd.
      Instead of killing the opponent many minutes before the end while having the safe lead, we relax and start playing with fire till we’re being saved by Lady Luck.

    121. cybersoze:
      I think the problem at the end of games is that we are too stagnant, and by doing that all that we were doing that lead to us being up in the game is removed and we play in a way that’s been quite easy for other teams to defend. But we must not forget that we have 2 new players and they need to know each other a lot better to get good at finishing games. They’ll get there. And i think it’s because of that, the need for them to know each other better, that Thibs is closing with Kemba even in games where DRose is outplaying him by far.

      Things get stagnant because opponents ramp up defensive intensity and costly turnovers are to be avoided at all costs. What works best is when you have an iso player that is so good, you have to double him. Julius is our best option in that sense, but obviously not ideal. RJ was a better option vs. NOP but Kemba made some critical shots too.

      Macri pointed out in his KFS postgame podcast that last year we would never have won games where Julius took only 9 or 11 shots. That seems pretty promising to me. I don’t get how that translates into either a coaching problem or a Julius problem.

    122. And to give it one more perspective it’s like instead of leaving home 30mins earlier to go to an appointment and to avoid being late cause of anything possible, You leave home at the last moment and drive like crazy while praying everything to go fine in order to get there in time.

    123. I hadn’t realized Frank had a 12 pt, 6 FGA game today, one that raised his TS% by 120 points. Now I see what all the hubbub was about. Maybe this is the new Frank!

    124. Knew Your Nicks:
      Idk if the problem is closing or being unable to maintain the safe lead towards the end.
      Looks like psychological to me.
      Like playoffs ptsd.
      Instead of killing the opponent many minutes before the end while having the safe lead, we relax and start playing with fire till we’re being saved by Lady Luck.

      I dunno, my guess is that the playoff loss has nothing to do with it. More likely, it’s just early season figuring it out stuff. And keep in mind that to blow a lead you had to build a lead in the first place. That’s kind of what you build a lead for, so that if the other team makes a run down the stretch you can still win. It’s really just a bad decision/execution or two that put those games in jeopardy. Kemba’s turnovers and Fournier’s defensive lapse vs. Boston. Julius missing that bunny (or even shooting it) and two missed FTs vs, Chicago. The immortal Herb Jones getting to the rim twice in 30 seconds vs. NOP. It doesn’t seem to be any one thing, and it certainly isn’t about continual iso-Julius on offense.

    125. Raven: I was more than a doubter. I take the L, capital letter.

      And MIles Bridges, early season, is averaging 25.5 and 8 per game.

      I doubted him too but I thought his promise alone would have been worth taking him high, as I thought it would be a very weak draft… but the kid is just a special talent really.

      Harden also seems to be playing himself into shape, it’s been such a weird start to the season with Doncic, Lillard, the entire Phoenix Suns, even Steph struggling a bit for his absurdly high standards.

    126. I think Rose is probably the closest thing to a “closer” we have. He’s the only guy who can consistently take his man off the dribble, not turn it over, and hit pull-ups from anywhere on the court.

      Julius has made some timely shots, but still doesn’t have the handle of a #1 guy.

      But more importantly, if these guys can figure out how to once again become a top-ten defense, many of these games won’t even be close in the first place.

    127. #That’s kind of what you build a lead for, so that if the other team makes a run down the stretch you can still win. It’s really just a bad decision/execution or two that put those games in jeopardy. #

      The problem is that these opponent runs happen at the time when we should be more focused and alert and we’re probably aren’t.
      And also not only we lack focus on offense but we relax and collapse on D too.
      You fuked up on offense?
      Eat them alive on D!
      We don’t. Soft endings.

    128. Early Bird
      October 31, 2021 at 10:59 pm
      My current opinion on Frank Ntilikina is he plays for Dallas and not the Knicks

      FACTS! I get that talking about Frank is a meme on this site but we are actually good and have plenty of current Knicks to talk about.

    129. ess-dog:
      I think Rose is probably the closest thing to a “closer” we have. He’s the only guy who can consistently take his man off the dribble, not turn it over, and hit pull-ups from anywhere on the court.

      Julius has made some timely shots, but still doesn’t have the handle of a #1 guy.

      But more importantly, if these guys can figure out how to once again become a top-ten defense, many of these games won’t even be close in the first place.

      I agree with this. Whether deserved or not, Rose was an MVP and you don’t win that award if you aren’t a big-time closer (dominant bigs aside). Even diminished athletically, he isn’t as affected by pressure as most guys and has ways to get to the shot he wants. He showed that vs. Boston with that little banker that pretty much sealed the game.

      The question of how Randle will deal with not having his number called in big spots is legit. Thibs often preaches that the game will tell you the right play. Even if they run an iso for Julius, can he read the defense and not just automatically shoot? Can he hit the big shots when he takes them?

      I think the que

    130. @zman I wasn’t suggesting that isolation by alpha dogs at the end of games is going away or disagreeing with your points that contenders have more than one and that having two is better. I agree with all that.

      I was just saying that the practice seems silly in most cases and that adherence to it by the Knicks might help explain why Julius transforms from an effective distributor to a one-man show at the end of games. On a team with several similarly skilled scorers, even if he’s the best, that seems unwise.

    131. I think there’s merit to the idea that if we can’t do what most successful teams do, having a legitimate superstar closer that creates points by himself, we should probably just try something else.

      This team, and Randle, isn’t going anywhere; Randle is widely beloved, he loves New York, he’s the face of the first good team we have had in ages, he’s staying. If he can’t be the superstar to carry games at the end, maybe we should just stop trying to put him in that role and do it by committee with whoever is hot at the time. It’s unconventional and it might end up terribly in the playoffs, but sometimes you have to go against the grain and see what happens. Maybe RJ eventually becomes that guy, maybe someone else, I don’t think we have much of a choice anyway.

    132. In Technical Fouls the smartest and logical choice is to let the player with the highest FT% shoot.
      If this particular player start missing his Technical Foul Free Throws for whatever reason maybe it’s better to give Technical Foul shots to another player.
      Similarly to crunch time If your Biggest Dog don’t bite better put another dog to “guard” …even smaller…but effective.

    133. I’d include Kemba as well in that closer role hes been known for it his whole career. Whoever is out there between him and Rose should handle the ball in close situations not just hand it off to Julius and watch

    134. The truth is that i remember Fournier taking care of business vs Bos during the 2nd OT so it’s not like Julius demands closing or that we don’t have another closer.
      Almost the whole starting unit can close and even Mitch can seal the deal with a pnr alley oop.
      It’s mental imo

    135. just making my way through the thread…this made me smile…

      I don’t understand the narrative from last night’s game thread at all…

      dan, that’s every single game thread…too funny, I can only imagine chilling with a bunch of kb’ers watching the game and thinking to myself the whole time – jesus christ, could ya’ll relax for a half second and just watch the game :P

    136. Putting all my former Frank hopes into Grimes and Mcbride

      bingo, best of luck and learn how to dribble and go the hole dang it…I get why guys like trey burke hang around in the league for years – trey gets the ball and he’s aggressive with it…doesn’t go in too frequently, but, at least he’s aggressive…

      maybe frank’s just trying to fit in…

      I think I figured out why guys like playing with frank so much, he ain’t trying take nobody else’s stats…

    137. this is good stuff nicos:

      I think one issue for Randle this year is that he’s getting doubled less and the doubles that have come have come later. He’s had multiple late possessions (like against Lonzo) where he pounded the ball waiting for a double that never came and then threw up bad out of rhythm shots. Last years so many teams just sent Payton’s man over at Randle right away that he had much easier reads.

      julius has a good coaching staff, vet teammates and a really good work ethic…most likely he ain’t averaging 24 points a game this year though…once he comes to terms with that, he should be fine…

      probably the only real thing ju is missing right now – is quality sleep :)

    138. Bruno Almeida:
      I think there’s merit to the idea that if we can’t do what most successful teams do, having a legitimate superstar closer that creates points by himself, we should probably just try something else.

      This team, and Randle, isn’t going anywhere; Randle is widely beloved, he loves New York, he’s the face of the first good team we have had in ages, he’s staying. If he can’t be the superstar to carry games at the end, maybe we should just stop trying to put him in that role and do it by committee with whoever is hot at the time. It’s unconventional and it might end up terribly in the playoffs, but sometimes you have to go against the grain and see what happens. Maybe RJ eventually becomes that guy, maybe someone else, I don’t think we have much of a choice anyway.

      This is essentially what I’m saying. Thus far, it’s been more of a closer by committee with Julius often deferring thing, so kudos to both Julius and Thibs for that. I also agree that with out current personnel, i.e. not having a clear top-10 closer, that’s the wisest approach.

      My point is that it limits our ceiling when we don’t have one of those guys. Having lots of options is great, and using them all is great, but it speaks to a fundamental weakness of the team. I would also argue that the player with the best chance of having a positive outcome in that role right now is Julius. As such, I’m not going to be overly critical of him of the coach when they decide to go in that direction until it starts costing them games.

    139. It also is probably true that Rose & Co. know this and are working behind the scenes to get one of those guys. What sucks is that this team, even with its limited ceiling, is so likeable and cohesive that it will hurt to see a bunch of guys moved to get that piece. I’m pretty content with rolling with what we have this year and will hope it doesn’t happen until the offseason.

    140. Following up on the question how would we improve the team, maybe Christian Wood is a good fit. How about Obi, Dallas’s 1st, and either IQ or Douce, who stays no?

      Randle, Mitch, and Wood could be a terrific 3 man rotation on the 5 and 4.

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