Knicks Morning News (2021.10.30)

  • Knicks and Pels pursued Mike Conley in free agency, Mavs, Bulls – Hoops Hype
    [hoopshype.com] — Saturday, October 30, 2021 3:46:06 AM

    Knicks and Pels pursued Mike Conley in free agency, Mavs, Bulls  Hoops Hype

  • New York Knicks vs New Orleans Pelicans Prediction & Match Preview – October 30th, 2021 | NBA Season 2021-22 – Sportskeeda
    [www.sportskeeda.com] — Saturday, October 30, 2021 1:33:09 AM

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  • Mitchell Robinson sticking at starting center as he wows Knicks – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Friday, October 29, 2021 8:58:00 PM

    Mitchell Robinson sticking at starting center as he wows Knicks  New York Post

  • Knicks news: What team needs to be true title contenders, per Earl Monroe – ClutchPoints
    [clutchpoints.com] — Friday, October 29, 2021 8:00:22 PM

    Knicks news: What team needs to be true title contenders, per Earl Monroe  ClutchPoints

  • New York Knicks: Derrick Rose has been crucial to early success – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Friday, October 29, 2021 6:00:00 PM

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  • Knicks News: RJ Barrett making early case for All-NBA Defense – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Friday, October 29, 2021 2:09:00 PM

    Knicks News: RJ Barrett making early case for All-NBA Defense  Daily Knicks

  • Obi Toppin is proving capable of a bigger role that the Knicks don’t seem ready to give him – CBS Sports
    [www.cbssports.com] — Friday, October 29, 2021 1:46:13 PM

    Obi Toppin is proving capable of a bigger role that the Knicks don’t seem ready to give him  CBS Sports

  • RJ Barrett trending up for Knicks as Zion Williamson sits out – New York Daily News
    [www.nydailynews.com] — Friday, October 29, 2021 1:42:00 PM

    RJ Barrett trending up for Knicks as Zion Williamson sits out  New York Daily News

  • Knicks’ Kemba walker says knee maintenance is an all-day affair – New York Daily News
    [www.nydailynews.com] — Friday, October 29, 2021 12:21:00 PM

    Knicks’ Kemba walker says knee maintenance is an all-day affair  New York Daily News

  • Why Knicks have bright future with Leon Rose & Tom Thibodeau | What Are The Odds? – Yahoo Sports
    [sports.yahoo.com] — Friday, October 29, 2021 11:15:05 AM

    Why Knicks have bright future with Leon Rose & Tom Thibodeau | What Are The Odds?  Yahoo Sports

  • Kevin Knox’s Potential Role on the NY Knicks this Season – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Friday, October 29, 2021 10:00:00 AM

    Kevin Knox’s Potential Role on the NY Knicks this Season  Daily Knicks

  • Bears-49ers Preview, Bulls-Knicks Recap, Blackhawks Failure – The Ringer
    [www.theringer.com] — Friday, October 29, 2021 8:16:15 AM

    Bears-49ers Preview, Bulls-Knicks Recap, Blackhawks Failure  The Ringer

  • NBA roundup: Knicks barely hold off Bulls – Sportsnaut
    [sportsnaut.com] — Friday, October 29, 2021 7:46:52 AM

    NBA roundup: Knicks barely hold off Bulls  Sportsnaut

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    66 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2021.10.30)”

    1. From the Conley article at the top of the morning links, quoting Conley himself:

      There were a couple of teams that were involved. It was Chicago, Dallas. … New York was early, and then they kind of were off and on.

      Conley is making $24 mil a year on his new contract, and may have wanted more to leave Utah. Signing him would have cost us a lot of our depth and flexibility. Are people glad we didn’t seriously pursue him?

    2. Wanted Lowry or Schroeder.
      Got Kemba cheap so I’m “fine”.
      Conley for peanuts would be very nice but for 24M I’m out.

    3. From the Conley article at the top of the morning links, quoting Conley himself:

      Conley is making $24 mil a year on his new contract, and may have wanted more to leave Utah. Signing him would have cost us a lot of our depth and flexibility. Are people glad we didn’t seriously pursue him?

      I didn’t remember we were interested,
      Conley’s a good player but he’s already 34 and commanded Kemba+Rose combined salary.
      I’m okay with our actual roster.

    4. Re: Randle

      Our “prevent” offense stink since game 1 (the Celtics’ frantic comeback), I hope the coaches will work on it.
      Putting all the blame on Randle is wrong, others missed shots and we did some stupid fouls that sent the Bulls to the line stopping the clock.
      This must not be a process against Julius, for 46 minutes he had a very good game, recognized a bad shooting night and went on to defend, dominate the boards and enable teammates.

      But he’s the one that in these kind of situations too many times reverse to Iso-ball and doing so put all the offense out of synch.
      We are at our best when we move the ball around or players dribble to test the defense trying to collapse it to frees shooters.
      Instead Randle in the clutch often goes full Melo, fakes, pumps, takes difficult shots, totally stopping the flow of the offense.

      On the missed putback, he could have:
      – grab the rebound tightly, then go up for the putback using the glass, with a high chance of a basket or a goaltending or a foul (maybe even an and-1).
      – grab the rebound tightly, dribble out of the paint, milk some time, with a chance to hit a cutter or being fouled.
      – try for the “tap-in” put back.

      He chose the riskier one and blew it, not the end of the world but in my opinion a costly error.

      Look, the man is ultra talented, he came into the league as a painted area beast, overcame a brutal injury, worked his ass off to become a steady FTs shooter and then a credible 3PT threat, got better on defense every year, improved his passing skills, let his last drop of sweat on the hardwood every time he play…
      It’s hard not to love him even if sometimes he’s possessed by his evil twin.

      He’s still in his prime, he’s not Melo and he has Thibs as a coach, I’m confident he’ll learn soon.

    5. The Monroe article struck a cord.

      What one player that wouldn’t destroy our cap space and kill chemistry that could be available, would make this team a title contender? The more I think about it, the less I want to make any trades. I honestly think that Mitch and RJ can join Randle as all-star candidates, the types that win championships. And the core of this team is young. I cannot think of a doable trade to improve. Who do you get rid of aside from Knox?

      Maybe I have an irrational love for this group of players

    6. You know what’s ironic and frustrating? Many didn’t wanna give Mitch his bag because he’s seen as “injury prone”- for the most part. But hasn’t Noel been just as “injury prone” throughout his career. Granted it’s early in Mitch’s career, so I get the concern. But sometimes we act like we weren’t surprised that Noel lasted the whole season last year lol. Hell..5 games in and he still hasn’t played and hasn’t practiced since just before preseason. He and Mitch actually have similar injury concern for athletic men who go all out on the floor.

      I guess I’m just saying this to say I don’t understand how Noel gets the bag over Mitch. You pay for future production, right? Isn’t Mitch’s future far brighter than Noel’s?

      No knock on Noel though. I’m happy to have him on the team. But I just don’t get the hesitancy to extend Mitch. If he keeps this up, he will price himself off the team

    7. With Mitch it’s not just the injury concerns, but rumored concerns that he’s flaky and not committed, blah blah. The muscle gain sure seems like commitment to me, but I’m not there. Hopefully, they give him his own bag too.

    8. Yes. Noel has been injury prone also. That’s why I was very much in favor of keeping both and bringing back Taj. It will eventually be a lot of money to spend on just the C position, but that defense in the middle is one of the keys to our success. We need a tandem if these guys are going to take turns missing games.

    9. I’m not looking forward to playing the Heat. They are healthy, have a good mix of experienced veterans and youth with upside, and are playing solid defense.

    10. I think Mitch was a kid but he is growing up and is a man now. There’s a marked difference in how he talks now with statements like “I got pushed around last year” or “I have to work on conditioning”. He’s getting it. His fouls are down. He’s becoming a monster on the offensive boards. He changes the way other teams play the Knicks.

    11. In all honesty..I would rather have extended Mitch and signed Whiteside for cheap. Not because I think Whiteside is better than Noel. I think he fits betterfor a couple of reasons:
      1. Him and his deal poses no threat to Mitch.
      2. It will be easier to move him aside for Taj and Sims when needed because you won’t feel like your wasting big money
      3. Once Noel is back and in the rotation, we will eventually have to get rid of one. And selfishly- I WANT BOTH! LOL

      See..now the Knicks are playing with my emotions in a good, double edged sword kinda way lol

    12. Noel is only guaranteed 2 years. If we give Mitch the bag, we only pay both of them for 1yr when we’re already over the cap. Noel doesn’t stop us from giving Mitch the bag.

      Also, Noel is better on defense

    13. I mean, it is still weird we didn’t offer Mitch the extension. Unless Leon doesn’t think there will be a market for Mitch or there won’t be enough teams with cap space.

    14. Noel is a really good player for what he’s getting paid. He would probably be playing now if this was the playoffs, but they’re likely bringing him along slowly to ensure he’s around for the long haul. But as we saw vs. CHI, Mitch could tweak his ankle or worse at any time so it’s nice to have multiple quality rim protecters. I’m far more concerned with our wing depth. RJ might be our most important player after Julius. If he went down, who would take his minutes? Yikes!

    15. Bam was a monster last night, he just destroyed CHA. The Heat will be a ferocious force in the playoffs if they stay healthy.

    16. Early Bird: it is still weird we didn’t offer Mitch the extension

      I assume it’s because he can’t shoot, dribble, or pass and has an injury history. And he still fouls more than the best defensive bigs. If any of those weren’t true, it would be more surprising to me that they didn’t offer. He still seems on track to become a reliable defensive force and a good roll/ lob guy with the right partners. You probably have to be reliably ultra-elite at those things to be hard to replace because your total contribution to the offense will be limited and you limit the flexibility of half-court offense so much.

    17. Also, there’s no deadline for us to give him an extension. Because he was a second round pick. So hopefully, Leon and whoever Mitch’s agent is this week will be talking over the next few months.

    18. The biggest surprise to me so far is how ridiculously good the Kemba-Rose combo has been. It seems unlikely that they can keep it up. But those two, plus the consistently good team D, seem like the primary reason we’re winning. And they both seem to be holding their own on D just fine.

    19. “I assume it’s because he can’t shoot, dribble, or pass and has an injury history.”

      Yes but that’s exactly why we love him.

    20. I’m in the “I like Conley but he’s too old (sic) and too expensive” camp.

      Where I take the L is Lowry. Don’t think I said it here, but I really thought he was on the decline and wanted nothing to do with him. He’s apparently doing a great job in Miami right now. Would have been (too?) expensive, but he’s still a player.

      And I’ve always been “Shroeder over my dead body”. Never thought he was as good as he thinks he is, plus he seems like an asshat.

      Our PG by committee rotation works just fine for me. It ain’t perfect, but the holes seem patch-able, and the kids in the wings (I include IQ, along with Deuce) are at least intriguing. And likeable.

    21. I saw a quote from Riley before the season started where he said he excepted Bam to take another jump up as a scorer. I think the key for them is how much Lowery has left in the tank.

    22. On another note, is anybody else irked by the outcry that Klay Thompson didn’t make the NBA top 75 list? I can’t see any reason why he would be on that list. He’s never been a top-five player in the league, never gotten any MVP consideration, never been the best player on his own team, never led the league in any category, doesn’t rebound or pass, and while he’s a good defender, he is not a perennial DPOY candidate or 1st team all defense, nor has he come close to leading the league in any defensive box score stat, particularly steals (less than 1.0 per game for his career.) He’s never been better than 3rd team all-NBA and only did that twice. Sure, he is a three time champion, but there are tons of players that would say the same thing if they were on the same teams he was on, I wouldn’t even take him over Jimmy Butler, and nobody’s whining about him not being on the list. Same with Dennis Johnson. For me, to be on that list, you should be a perennial top 5 to 10 player in the league and be someone who would’ve made the team no matter how bad your teammates were. Klay doesn’t come close to passing either test.

    23. So uh, Porzingis has a pretty noticeable black eye. He’s also been out for a while with a very vague back injury. Rather interesting!

    24. thenoblefacehumper:
      So uh, Porzingis has a pretty noticeable black eye. He’s also been out for a while with a very vague back injury. Rather interesting!

      Did he get the black eye in a game, or has he been out clubbing again? Ah just checked…he got head butted in a game.
      :-)

    25. Wonder what the top-line $ figure is that the FO has in mind for extending Mitch? My guess is that the abyss between what that number might be and what Camp Mitch believes he is worth could be a pretty wide one

      I know a lot of folks here see Mitch as a much superior talent to Noel. Do Rose & Co. share that view? If they do not and regard the two centers as largely fungible, it seems unlikely that the FO offers Mitch much more than the $10 MM AAV deal they gave to Noel. If that is indeed the case and If Mitch is looking to get something along the lines of Jared Allen $$. it’s hard to see how the two sides come together.

    26. On another note, is anybody else irked by the outcry that Klay Thompson didn’t make the NBA top 75 list? I can’t see any reason why he would be on that list.

      Recent memory bias?
      I love his shooting form and he’s probably a Top-5 Shooters All-Time, but that’s not enough for a spot on Top-75 Players All-Time…

      I’ll probably take Dennis Johnson above him (distant memory bias)…

    27. Ah, didn’t know he was head butted. Guess the back injury was just from playing basketball, something he doesn’t really seem built to do.

    28. Max: he’s probably a Top-5 Shooters All-Time,

      I do not think he is a Top-5 shooter among his contemporaries, let alone all-time.

    29. Max: Recent memory bias?
      I love his shooting form and he’s probably a Top-5 Shooters All-Time, but that’s not enough for a spot on Top-75 Players All-Time…

      I’ll probably take Dennis Johnson above him (distant memory bias)…

      His career eFG% is below Steve Kerr, Kyle Korver, and Danny Green. He’s a great shooter but almost all of his makes are assisted. That speaks to riding on coattails.

    30. People always rave about Klay, idk I think he’s very good but put him on a team without Steph and nobody would care much about him.

    31. Klay literally didn’t even occur to me as a potential snub until he made a big deal about it. Dunno if he’d be in my top 100.

    32. Z-man
      October 30, 2021 at 11:43 am

      On another note, is anybody else irked by the outcry that Klay Thompson didn’t make the NBA top 75 list? I can’t see any reason why he would be on that list. He’s never been a top-five player in the league, never gotten any MVP consideration, never been the best player on his own team, never led the league in any category, doesn’t rebound or pass, and while he’s a good defender, he is not a perennial DPOY candidate or 1st team all defense, nor has he come close to leading the league in any defensive box score stat, particularly steals (less than 1.0 per game for his career.) He’s never been better than 3rd team all-NBA and only did that twice. Sure, he is a three time champion, but there are tons of players that would say the same thing if they were on the same teams he was on, I wouldn’t even take him over Jimmy Butler, and nobody’s whining about him not being on the list. Same with Dennis Johnson. For me, to be on that list, you should be a perennial top 5 to 10 player in the league and be someone who would’ve made the team no matter how bad your teammates were. Klay doesn’t come close to passing either test.

      *

      I think people are blinded by championship bias, and I don’t think anybody who has only played 8 years in the league should be complaining about not making an all-time contributions list. But, that said, you’ve basically described Scottie Pippen over the course of his first 8 seasons in the league, and there’s not much controversy surrounding him being on the list. So, if Thompson can get healthy and get his career back on track, I think he could have valid cliam to being in the 100th anniversary list of the top 100. But, yeah, as a big Klay Thompson fan (he is very under-rated as a defender statisticly, I believe), I don’t think he should be on this current list.

    33. Z-man: His career eFG% is below Steve Kerr, Kyle Korver, and Danny Green.He’s a great shooter but almost all of his makes are assisted. That speaks to riding on coattails.

      If the point is “would Klay Thompson be a star without Steph Curry”, I can accept the argument,
      but all Kerr’s, Korver’s and Green’s makes are assisted, they can’t create a shot to save their lives.

      And Klay’s volume and 3PFG% in the playoffs are by far the highest of the four, he’s the only one of the group that when the competition grows is able to repeat his RS numbers.

      Still I don’t think he’s a Top-75 Players All-Time, not even a Top-100 as of today.

    34. I bet I could name 75 more deserving players who played in a season that Klay played in, to say nothing of the 60-some years that came before him.

    35. The Honorable Cock Jowles: I bet I could name 75 more deserving players who played in a season that Klay played in, to say nothing of the 60-some years that came before him.

      75 players better than Klay in, say, 2017? Really?

    36. danvt: 75 players better than Klay in, say, 2017? Really?

      I think Jowles was referring to the span of Klay’s career (2011-12 until now). Not 75 players in each of those years.

    37. Re: Mitch, as i said before his ultra low contract can be useful to make trades, so i predict Leon is only planning to extend Mitch if he’s still here after the trade deadline.

    38. cybersoze:
      Re: Mitch, as i said before his ultra low contract can be useful to make trades, so i predict Leon is only planning to extend Mitch if he’s still here after the trade deadline.

      What are the rules about when a player can be traded after he signs an extension? Specifically a player in Mitch’s situation as a former 2nd rounder approaching unrestricted free agency for the first time?

    39. Manu Ginobili didn’t make the list and he’s clearly, by a mile, a better player than Klay.

    40. danvt: 75 players better than Klay in, say, 2017? Really?

      I’ve had some hot takes but I’ve never immolated myself like that, not even over Faried or Clarke. cybersoze is correct.

    41. Where I take the L is Lowry. Don’t think I said it here, but I really thought he was on the decline and wanted nothing to do with him. He’s apparently doing a great job in Miami right now. Would have been (too?) expensive, but he’s still a player.

      I’m not sure this is true, at least given the small sample we have. The Heat’s success right now can mostly be chalked up to: 1. Jimmy being one of the three best players in the league over the past 5 games; 2. Herro being an absolute flamethrower on 30% usage; and 3. Bam’s solid offensive improvement. They’re carrying Miami right now–pretty much every other player on that roster has been league average or worse. In Lowry’s case, he’s actually been dragging the team down, if you look at the stats (34 TS%–yikes! And mediocre defensive box score stats.) Lowry looks a bit old right now, though he could break out at any moment, I’m sure.

    42. I’m a Klay fan too.
      I’m not aware of the details on this list but he’s definitely a special player who helped GSW to change the game.
      GSW with a healthy Klay (and Steph) would have fucked the West pretty good the last seasons.
      Unsung Superstar imo.
      Among the 75 best of all times?
      Idk
      Who really does know?

    43. JK47:
      Manu Ginobili didn’t make the list and he’s clearly, by a mile, a better player than Klay.

      I have never agreed with a comment on this site more.

    44. The Klay stans all say he could do more but he didn’t because of Curry et al. Which may be true but we’ll never know. He was arguably the 5th best guy on his own team some years there’s no way he’s one of the 75 best players in NBA history.

    45. GS with Steph and Klay was/is/will be a Contender in the “used to be Wild” West.
      Without any of the two is nowhere near.

      Still Keeping him after 2 season ending injuries ain’t a sign of true love and gratitude.
      Just a smart move to contend again when both are healthy.

    46. One more now that I’m hot!
      GSW is possibly the best nba team I’ve witnessed so far in my life.
      Before getting KD they were the clear favourites for a dynasty.(mainly cause of the splash bros).
      After getting KD it was just unfair…

      And this mfkr doesn’t deserve a place in the best of all times while many nba losers/stat stuffers do?
      Com on!

    47. The Honorable Cock Jowles: I’ve had some hot takes but I’ve never immolated myself like that, not even over Faried or Clarke. cybersoze is correct.

      I wonder if there were 75 NBA players, demonstrably better than Carmelo on a given all star year? If that’s your litmus test, Klay may have a beef. Klay certainly is unique and terrific, but others probably do have an even greater claim.

      I am a little put off by Klay’s chutzpah…

    48. Pretty cool that only one of Jaylen Brown or Jason Tatum are allowed to be good any given night

    49. My last 2 cents
      If this list is about numbers and individual accomplishments Klay is out.
      If it’s about basketball substance he Definitely deserves to be in there.

    50. geo:
      just how bad can this pelicans game get…

      julius needing to hit a few free throws with a couple of ticks left to go to put us in the lead…that would be bad…

    51. DRed:
      Pretty cool that only one of Jaylen Brown or Jason Tatum are allowed to be good any given night

      Haha last time I checked the C’s were 0-17 from three

      But somehow only losing by 2!?!

    52. pepper, we should win by 40, less than 20 and we played poorly…

      interested to look at graham and alexander-walker (I think that’s their name)…

    53. geo:
      pepper, we should win by 40, less than 20 and we played poorly…

      interested to look at graham and alexander-walker (I think that’s their name)…

      trap game…team hanging out in da’ quarter last night…too much partyin’…mitch showing them around his old haunts..may be sluggish tonight…

    54. I love this ball movement.

      By the way, I’m drunk out of my mind. There’s no telling what I’m going to say tonight!

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