Knicks Morning News (2021.10.28)

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    1. Miles Bridges may be turning into a star, but he can’t play 3 on 3 at all. He has no “Big 3” in his future, I’m not surprised Knox didn’t develop into a better all around player than Mikal. but Miles is becoming a better player than I expected.

      With each passing year, that pick looks dumber. First SGA broke out. Then Porter Jr and Mikal. Now Miles is putting up 30-point games on the regular. There’s no one else we realistically might have taken in that spot, but meanwhile Huerter and Time Lord and several other players from deeper in the draft would have been vastly better choices than Knox. Sigh…

    2. Responding to this from the last thread:

      SoNiceWeShowItTwice:
      Watching Brooklyn/Heat game, and you can tell the new rule on fouls has affected Harden a lot. He’s complaining more than ever and I looked up his stats and he’s averaging about 3 FT attempts per game – more than half less than his usual average. Wondering how Trae is doing.

      Personally I think the rule change is good for long run. Now they just have to do something about those take fouls that stop fast breaks.

      The Nets are on the brink of disaster. Harden has been “cheating” for years, backing into defenders, leaning into them, getting to the line. I think we can slice 5-10 points off of Harden’s PPG now. Kyrie has destroyed any chance of chemistry. It’s time to put the Nets are in our crosshairs.

      Note that this rule impacts IQ too but I hope that he’ll adjust.

    3. Harden is still a MUCH better overall player than Quickley, though. Even if you take away the foul-baiting, he’s a better and more consistent shooter, a better passer and playmaker, better at getting to the rack, etc. As much as he’s struggling with the rule change, I’d put better odds on the Beard figuring out how to evolve his game than I would on IQ doing the same.

    4. First SGA broke out. Then Porter Jr and Mikal.

      I don’t feel bad about Porter because his spine situation sounded very bad, like potentially career-ending (before it even began). At that point taking a risk that large with the pick would have been crazy. Even massive (now RJstan), who was Porter’s biggest fan for months, said we couldn’t do it.

      It was really Mikal or SGA, as I remember, with Miles widely derided as the wrong choice. I console myself with the reality that if you’re happy with where you are, all things that led there were necessary…even picking a guy who was a second-rounder at best.

      I’m happy with where the Knicks are.

    5. When you step back, take a wide lens view and assess, it’s really kind of stunning that so much of Harden’s “talent” and “value” were completely fake and artificial. It was pretty clear that was the case to a degree as it went along — I mean, it was patently obvious he was getting a bunch of calls on bullshit that really didn’t have anything to do with real basketball moves (*) — but I confess to being surprised by the extent of it. It’s massive.

      Assuming they keep the rules as is (they should) and assuming he doesn’t somehow adjust (he will a little at most), it will call for a pretty significant reassessment of the 2010s.

      (*) In the first quarter last night, he did that thing where he just kind of ran into a guy just inside the top of the key, a move having nothing to do with basketball, the equivalent of running six feet outside the baseline hoping that the ball will hit you, expecting to get one of his bullshit calls and the ref let it completely roll down his back and then of course Harden whined, but not as much as you’d expect so I think he himself might be at the point of just facing reality.

    6. I struggle to believe a player averaging 16/7/8 is just a guy. He’ll be fine as soon as he stops trying to push for stupid calls and just plays basketball.

    7. Yeah, let’s not give him any bulletin board material before he plays us.

      It’s a hit to his value. But a guy clever enough to figure out how to exploit the rules so well that they change them will probably figure out a way to make things work.

    8. I console myself with the reality that if you’re happy with where you are, all things that led there were necessary…even picking a guy who was a second-rounder at best.

      I’m happy with where the Knicks are.

      I’m happy, too. And it’s entirely possible that if we had taken SGA or even one of the Bridges, we might not have been in a position to draft RJ the following year, that other necessary dominoes wouldn’t have fallen, etc. But it’s so damn painful to see those box scores, because we were reportedly considering both Miles and Mikal, and obviously were aware of SGA if we were scouting Knox. And a world where we had, say, Mikal and then a slightly lower 2019 pick (Garland? Reddish?) to go with our various FA signings would feel pretty good to me.

    9. ***I am feeling ptmilo’s disappointment as D’Andre Melton goes oh for everything in tonight’s loss…***

      In the sober light of morning, I see that I have added insult to injury to poor De’Anthony. I apologize.

      Sincerely,

      D’Onnie

    10. Glad Harden is struggling relative to what he was in previous seasons. The most repulsive style of play in a long time.

      I dont feel bad about Porter Jr like Rama said because he was coming off of two back surgeries. No way most of us would have been ok with that over the Bridges.

    11. I don’t think I’ve been as pumped for a Knicks game in a long time. If we lose, it won’t be devastating, but a win would be quite a statement to the rest of the league.

      Knicks-Bulls baby, it’s the 90’s again!

    12. I’m closer to the rama camp on Knox. Not so much the “all things were necessary”, rather I can’t get stressed over individual poor decisions of past regimes. The body of work of the Phil regime made the team worse. Same for the Mill’s regime. Both regimes made lots of poor decisions. Maybe Knox would be a solid rotation player today if Fizdale wasn’t his coach? So the only thing I get stressed about is that we had Phil and then Mills as the decision makers. They are now gone, a new regime has made us better, so I am happy.

    13. I talked an obscene amount of shit on Anthony Edwards and now I am positively pissed off that we had no chance to get him. And not just because every beat interview has a tiny nugget of gold in it.

    14. Speaking of Phil Jackson, tonight the Bulls are honoring Joakim Noah, with Thibs, Taj, and DRose on hand. It seems that Jackson should have been invited since he bestowed the $72.5MM gift that keeps on giving on Noah.

    15. Seriously, First Team All NBA interview. That was just gold. Would watch every postgame if he were a Knick.

    16. Bo Nateman:
      Speaking of Phil Jackson, tonight the Bulls are honoring Joakim Noah, with Thibs, Taj, and DRose on hand. It seems that Jackson should have been invited since he bestowed the $72.5MM gift that keeps on giving on Noah.

      i wonder if joakim will “be lit” for the event…

    17. It’s still early, so I won’t take a victory lap yet, but I was one of the few here who wanted Miles Bridges back in the 2018 draft.

      He surely has improved, but to be fair, he now has an incredible PG talent getting him the ball for easy buckets and much better floor spacers than when he started. All that team is missing now is a dominant 2-way center.

      As for Porter Jr., I would’ve wanted him as well in what could’ve been a nice “Process”-style move (tank his first year and get a high pick the next year), but that clearly wasn’t the FO’s mindset.

      I do love Mikal, but it probably wasn’t the best move for a 20-win team to pick him at his age, so I’m forgiving there. Hell, maybe Knox still has something that will come out? We might as well trade him to OKC for a future pick (OKC owns the Clippers 2022 1st, for instance) as I’d like to see him get real minutes there with Giddey.

      Oh, and yeah, Edwards looks like he’s going to be a beast. Minny really lucked out there.

    18. rama is a bit hype for this season: I don’t feel bad about Porter because his spine situation sounded very bad, like potentially career-ending (before it even began). At that point taking a risk that large with the pick would have been crazy.

      We all know that Porter Jr is only playing because he wasn’t drafted by the Knicks, right? If we had drafted him, of course the injury would automatically be career ending.

    19. This Chicago game on the road is a good test for us. I think we clearly have the better bench, but they are a pretty good team 1-5. If they fill out their bench they can be a problem.

    20. A good buddy of mine is a Bulls fan and we were just texting about how tonight’s game is the most important Bulls Knicks game since the 2010-2012 years and maybe even more.

      Then it got me thinking about how the East is really THE EAST when the following teams are in the playoffs:

      Bulls, Knicks, Celtics, Pacers, Heat, Pistons.

      Those 6. After that The 76ers, Bucks, Hawks and Cavs for the last 2 spots. Any of those 4 is fine.

      But I don’t give a F if the Magic or Nets or Charlotte or Raptors or Wizards are in the playoffs.

    21. Hell, maybe Knox still has something that will come out? We might as well trade him to OKC for a future pick (OKC owns the Clippers 2022 1st, for instance) as I’d like to see him get real minutes there with Giddey.

      Again, this is a problem with drafting these very young green players. You often have to make a decision on them before you know what you have. Sometimes it’s a decision on whether to max them before they really deserve that kind of contract (but could easily grow into it) and sometimes they don’t develop enough during the first contract to keep them, they move on, and could eventually become a valuable role player that someone else has on a cheap contract.

    22. Knox shoots well enough from 3 that I imagine he’s going to hang around the league for a while as a minimum salary end of bench player. He’s just so bad at almost every other thing on a basketball court — so awkward physically, and so slow to process the correct move in any situation that’s not either a catch-and-shoot 3 or an open court fast break — that I have a hard time seeing him improve enough to ever get rotation minutes on a team that intends to be good.

    23. cybersoze: We all know that Porter Jr is only playing because he wasn’t drafted by the Knicks, right? If we had drafted him, of course the injury would automatically be career ending.

      100%

    24. Can’t watch the game tonight, I’ll do it tomorrow morning.

      Vuc is a good test for the New Mitch,
      he made us suffer more than once with his outside shooting,
      will Mitch follow him or let him shoot easily all night long?

      Will we bring our defense or accept a shootout?

    25. Tonight’s game is on NBA TV tonight, but also on MSG. Does that mean it’ll be blacked out for people like me in Comcast country? Or will NBA TV still have it?

    26. ***As for Porter Jr., I would’ve wanted him as well in what could’ve been a nice “Process”-style move (tank his first year and get a high pick the next year), but that clearly wasn’t the FO’s mindset.***

      Porter was married to the Knicks in all of the early mock drafts that year. Then his injury came to light and nobody was clamoring for him here at that point, if I recall. But, it’s haha funny that the Knicks still made the “swing for the fences” move with Knox. They just swung for the wrong fence. Ultimately, either path (the “high floor low ceiling” pick of Bridges or the “low floor high ceiling” pick of Porter) would have had a great outcome. It’s just too bad that they instead went searching in the weeds for that elusive 3rd path to nowhere.

    27. Fred Katz wrote a piece today about our improved shot diet and whether our explosion in 3PA is sustainable. One excerpt:

      The Knicks are easing into 3s. The spot-ups are coming often after someone like Walker, Randle or Barrett swivels to the middle and then sprays to the outside. They’re shooting 26.5 catch-and-shoot 3-pointers a game, sixth in the league, up from 25th last season.

      But the real change has come with the new signees, Walker and Evan Fournier, who flaunt an off-the-dribble verve that last season’s group couldn’t boast. The Knicks are shooting the most pull-up 3s in the NBA: 19 a game, according to data-tracking site Second Spectrum. No Knicks player fires off the bounce more than Walker, yet six others also have free rein to take those shots from deep: Fournier, Randle, Barrett, Derrick Rose, Immanuel Quickley and Alec Burks. Last season, only three players — Quickley, Randle and Burks — held that privilege.

      “I think it’s important for everyone,” Thibodeau said. “We saw it last year, (what) the value of the 3 added to Julius’ game. … What we’re seeing in the NBA today is the premium that’s put on shooting.”

    28. Wait, it is on NBATV? I thought it wasn’t nationally televised.

      my tv guide is off too, i’m recording during that time frame on both NBAtv and league pass…

      it’ll be interesting though to see which broadcast (home or away) NBAtv uses for their broadcast – my bet is on the one where mike and clyde are talking…

      we literally have the best announcing team in the league…i’m not sure if there’s even a close second…

    29. Alan:
      Knox shoots well enough from 3 that I imagine he’s going to hang around the league for a while as a minimum salary end of bench player. He’s just so bad at almost every other thing on a basketball court — so awkward physically, and so slow to process the correct move in any situation that’s not either a catch-and-shoot 3 or an open court fast break — that I have a hard time seeing him improve enough to ever get rotation minutes on a team that intends to be good.

      That’s why he should have played big minutes in the g league.

    30. geo: my tv guide is off too, i’m recording during that time frame on both NBAtv and league pass…

      it’ll be interesting though to see which broadcast (home or away) NBAtv uses for their broadcast – my bet is on the one where mike and clyde are talking…

      we literally have the best announcing team in the league…i’m not sure if there’s even a close second…

      Watch a random game on NBA TV with local announcers and you’ll appreciate our guys even more. The most annoying ones are the play by play guys who call all the home players by their first names

    31. was watching a game last night, blazers versus grizz I think, heard mark jacksom’s voice and turned the channel…

    32. Re the Westbrook kerfuffle, wonder if anyone feels similar — I’ve been uncomfortable with the dribble out the end of the game thing for a while now. I get it if you have a decent lead and there’s 6 seconds left – -maybe don’t hoist a three and embarrass your opponent any further. But now the winning team is running out the 24 second clock without shooting and giving the ball over to the losing team to dribble out the last six seconds. Is it really a good idea to not even take a shot in the last half minute, by either team? I mean, if you’re up by 20 maybe take two or three 24-second violations, right? Don’t hurt anyone’s feelings.

      Russ argued the dunk (which okay, maybe they shouldn’t have) was like flipping the bat. Which clearly nobody does in baseball anymore…

    33. Given that Porter Jr got the max, or close to it (?) I’m not sure that’s the best outcome from that draft. Knox is obviously worse.

      On that front what’s the average BPM for max players these days? Anyone has this kind of data? Porter Jr was at 3.0 last year.

    34. “I think it’s important for everyone,” Thibodeau said. “We saw it last year, (what) the value of the 3 added to Julius’ game. … What we’re seeing in the NBA today is the premium that’s put on shooting.”

      Someone check for a pod next to Thibs bed.

    35. Re the Westbrook kerfuffle, wonder if anyone feels similar — I’ve been uncomfortable with the dribble out the end of the game thing for a while now. I get it if you have a decent lead and there’s 6 seconds left – -maybe don’t hoist a three and embarrass your opponent any further. But now the winning team is running out the 24 second clock without shooting and giving the ball over to the losing team to dribble out the last six seconds. Is it really a good idea to not even take a shot in the last half minute, by either team? I mean, if you’re up by 20 maybe take two or three 24-second violations, right? Don’t hurt anyone’s feelings.

      It’s almost like the end-of-game clock situation turns basketball into a game of keep-away. It’s almost like there’s another option that turns every possession into an actual basketball possession instead of the status quo, which turns the most critical moments AND the mundane moments into a completely different game.

    36. Have we talked about Noah comparing learning DRose blew out his knee to seeing the first plane hit the world trade center on 9/11?

    37. I loved Noah so much as a player. He’s a top 10 player who could have been a Riley Knick. Who he grew up watching.

      And he played like one good game for us. Such a shame.

    38. He’s a top 10 player who could have been a Riley Knick.

      Heck, he could have been an Isiah Thomas Knick. But we had to trade for Eddy Curry, so… what can you do?

    39. That Eddie Curry trade gets more and more surreal, as we get deeper and deeper into the pace & space era.

    40. Eddy was incredibly bad at basketball but he brought me to Knickerblogger, so his career had a very small silver lining.

    41. Owen:
      Eddy was incredibly bad at basketball but he brought me to Knickerblogger, so his career had a very small silver lining.

      I could have sworn I was here for much of the Isiah error, but the earliest comment I could find via Google was from March of 2011 (discussing, of course, bad Knicks draft luck and then Greg Anthony’s clown shirt from the Phoenix brawl). It may be I just lurked for years, or was using a different handle at first.

    42. Eddy Curry had some talent, but his laziness and appetite for food destroyed any chance he had to develop into good player. He had a couple of seasons where the defense had to double him in the post or he’d kill them, but if you are too lazy and out of shape to defend or even try for a rebound and show up wildly overweight every year, you are never going to learn how to pass out of the double, position yourself better for defense and rebounds etc.. And of course ultimately the injuries are going to catch up if you are always out of shape. There have been others like him. It’s a shame, but some talented people don’t
      like whatever it is they are talented at.

    43. I went back through the link to the thread @ Alan posted and found this very prescient post by Mike K in March 2011:

      Honestly can’t this franchise get (and hold onto) a young PG that can run the offense? One that doesn’t find oil based lubricants to be a tasty treat would be a plus.

    44. This game is a really good test for where Mitch is at with his healthy new body. Vuc is a tough cover and they have lots of guys who can get in the paint and to the rim.

    45. the current version of embiid against the piston is like watching 40 year demarcus cousins play in the G league. or kyle anderson’s much larger uncle play in the big 3.

    46. Porter was married to the Knicks in all of the early mock drafts that year. Then his injury came to light and nobody was clamoring for him here at that point, if I recall. But, it’s haha funny that the Knicks still made the “swing for the fences” move with Knox. They just swung for the wrong fence. Ultimately, either path (the “high floor low ceiling” pick of Bridges or the “low floor high ceiling” pick of Porter) would have had a great outcome. It’s just too bad that they instead went searching in the weeds for that elusive 3rd path to nowhere.

      That was what was so funny about it, that they took the risky path with the much worse player. Too funny.

    47. It is so annoying to watch this team down the stretch.

      The offense gets bogged down and predictable having it run through Randle.

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