Knicks Morning News (2021.10.12)

  • Even Without Kyrie Irving, the Nets Are Still the Knicks’ Toughest Test – The Knicks Wall
    [theknickswall.com] — Tuesday, October 12, 2021 6:52:40 AM

    Even Without Kyrie Irving, the Nets Are Still the Knicks’ Toughest Test  The Knicks Wall

  • How to watch Knicks games without cable: Full TV schedule, streams for 2021 season – Sporting News
    [www.sportingnews.com] — Tuesday, October 12, 2021 5:40:06 AM

    How to watch Knicks games without cable: Full TV schedule, streams for 2021 season  Sporting News

  • Knicks news: Derrick Rose uses Joakim Noah in teaching young teammate – ClutchPoints
    [clutchpoints.com] — Tuesday, October 12, 2021 12:53:22 AM

    Knicks news: Derrick Rose uses Joakim Noah in teaching young teammate  ClutchPoints

  • Quentin Grimes making strong impression on Knicks staff – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Monday, October 11, 2021 11:01:00 PM

    Quentin Grimes making strong impression on Knicks staff  New York Post

  • Mitchell Robinson injury update: Here’s what we know about the New York Knicks’ emerging star’s latest physical setback – Sportskeeda
    [www.sportskeeda.com] — Monday, October 11, 2021 8:57:04 PM

    Mitchell Robinson injury update: Here’s what we know about the New York Knicks’ emerging star’s latest physical setback  Sportskeeda

  • BetUS survey reveals Knicks with most die-hard fans, Nets with most bandwagon fans – Empire Sports Media
    [empiresportsmedia.com] — Monday, October 11, 2021 5:48:50 PM

    BetUS survey reveals Knicks with most die-hard fans, Nets with most bandwagon fans  Empire Sports Media

  • NBA superstar won’t play home games all season because he refuses to be vaccinated | TheHill – The Hill
    [thehill.com] — Monday, October 11, 2021 5:48:04 PM

    NBA superstar won’t play home games all season because he refuses to be vaccinated | TheHill  The Hill

  • Knicks Go Maintains Lead Over Letruska In NTRA Top Thoroughbred Poll – Horse Racing News – Paulick Report
    [www.paulickreport.com] — Monday, October 11, 2021 4:31:00 PM

    Knicks Go Maintains Lead Over Letruska In NTRA Top Thoroughbred Poll – Horse Racing News  Paulick Report

  • 3 things Obi Toppin needs to do for New York Knicks to have a breakout 2021-22 NBA season – Sportskeeda
    [www.sportskeeda.com] — Monday, October 11, 2021 4:30:00 PM

    3 things Obi Toppin needs to do for New York Knicks to have a breakout 2021-22 NBA season  Sportskeeda

  • Michael Jordan and Bulls Winning Game 5 of ’93 ECF Against Knicks at MSG Broke New York’s Spirit: ‘That Loss Felt a Lot Like a Really Close Relative Dying Out of Nowhere, It Was That Painful’ – Sportscasting
    [www.sportscasting.com] — Monday, October 11, 2021 2:41:31 PM

    Michael Jordan and Bulls Winning Game 5 of ’93 ECF Against Knicks at MSG Broke New York’s Spirit: ‘That Loss Felt a Lot Like a Really Close Relative Dying Out of Nowhere, It Was That Painful’  Sportscasting

  • Knicks’ Julius Randle on welcoming new son, Jayce, to his family: ‘It was amazing’ – Yahoo Sports
    [sports.yahoo.com] — Monday, October 11, 2021 2:34:38 PM

    Knicks’ Julius Randle on welcoming new son, Jayce, to his family: ‘It was amazing’  Yahoo Sports

  • This Cavs-Knicks Trade Is Focused On Collin Sexton – NBA Analysis Network
    [www.nbaanalysis.net] — Monday, October 11, 2021 12:22:56 PM

    This Cavs-Knicks Trade Is Focused On Collin Sexton  NBA Analysis Network

  • Deerick Rose Trying to Break Knicks Rookie Out of Shell – Heavy.com
    [heavy.com] — Monday, October 11, 2021 11:33:51 AM

    Deerick Rose Trying to Break Knicks Rookie Out of Shell  Heavy.com

  • Taking a closer look at the new Knicks’ offense – Posting and Toasting
    [www.postingandtoasting.com] — Monday, October 11, 2021 11:25:41 AM

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  • Knicks’ Derrick Rose gives rookie center Jericho Sims words of wisdom – Empire Sports Media
    [empiresportsmedia.com] — Monday, October 11, 2021 10:09:29 AM

    Knicks’ Derrick Rose gives rookie center Jericho Sims words of wisdom  Empire Sports Media

  • Westchester Knicks will play home games in Bridgeport, CT, for 2021-22 season – Posting and Toasting
    [www.postingandtoasting.com] — Monday, October 11, 2021 9:00:00 AM

    Westchester Knicks will play home games in Bridgeport, CT, for 2021-22 season  Posting and Toasting

  • Knicks’ Kevin Knox takes advantage of big pre-season opportunity in win – Empire Sports Media
    [empiresportsmedia.com] — Monday, October 11, 2021 7:56:48 AM

    Knicks’ Kevin Knox takes advantage of big pre-season opportunity in win  Empire Sports Media

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    138 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2021.10.12)”

    1. I found this Thibs quote about what he finds impressive about Quentin Grimes — from a Berman of the Post story on how our first-rounder has impressed the coaching staff despite minimal playing time — noteworthy in the context of recent discussions here:

      “Everything,’’ Thibodeau said. “He and Miles, they are going to be good players. It started in the summer league, fall workout and then training camp. When it comes to get in there, get the job done. That’s what I love about both guys. Quentin went in, Miles went in right at the end of the game. Both of them played really well.”

    2. That should be enough to quiet the critics for a bit.

      I don’t know, the case for playing the kids is a little different than it was when we were completely awful.

    3. @KyleNeubeck
      Woj on Sportscenter with @notthefakeSVP on how things went down with Simmons tonight: “Elton Brand got a text saying, ‘Hey, Ben’s outside the building’”

      I really hope someone is filming everything that is happening in this situation, and that we eventually get a documentary about it. My goodness.

    4. Zach Lowe League Pass Rankings are out. Knicks land 16th.

      https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32383249/lowe-league-pass-rankings-breaking-nba-teams-30-11-fun-style-unintended-comedy

      16. New York Knicks (32.5)
      The Knicks ranked last in pace and first in isolations, and still land in the middle — a tribute to one of the league’s two best broadcast experiences: the classic jerseys and pristine blue court drenched in theater-style lighting; the Hall of Fame combination of Mike Breen and Clyde Frazier, with bang-up sideline work from Rebecca Haarlow; James Dolan’s Droopy the Dog courtside slouching; and perhaps the league’s most electric crowd.

      Madison Square Garden is about to unleash a supersonic shriek of pent-up, late-pandemic (maybe?) fandom — an eardrum-bursting celebration of organizational competency that once seemed an impossible dream.

      Kemba Walker and Evan Fournier bring variety — relief from the tyranny of Julius Randle isolations that worked well, but did not make for the most telegenic product. Even this wounded, aging version of Walker is one of the league’s master dribblers — a hunched whir of rapid-fire moves that crescendo like boxing combinations.

      RJ Barrett got better at everything; I can’t wait to see what he has in store. Obi Toppin seemed comfortable in the postseason hothouse. Maybe he can carve out a larger role, and cram more power-dunk highlights.

      Will Tom Thibodeau experiment with Randle at center?

      Random note: Almost all the Knicks’ jerseys have featured the “New York” wordmark. As a longtime former New Yorker who believes it is the best city in the world, I appreciate the impulse to trumpet it.

      But this team is starved for a killer alternate, and I propose they experiment with “Knicks” on the front.

    5. I think i was the first in the “mad with Thibs for playing the rookies so little” movement, but it was the heat of the moment. I agree with you guys, playing 3 mins or 7 mins in a preseason game it’s irrelevant for the player’s outcome. What matters is the willing to develop them, which Thibs seems to be aware of, and even better we have a very good coaching staff to do it. If they keep improving, they’ll have their chances and then it’s up to what they do with those chances. Giving unlimited chances doesn’t guarantee results, as we all know with the recent Knicks draftees (Frank, Knox, Dotson).

    6. I think Strat hacked the morning news bot, and now we have some horse racing sprinkled in it. LOL
      Just kidding, it’s the coincidence of a horse named “Knicks Go” that gets those news in the list.

    7. BetUS survey reveals Knicks with most die-hard fans, Nets with most bandwagon fans – Empire Sports Media

      Who woulda thunk it? LOL

    8. Owen: Zach Lowe League Pass Rankings are out. Knicks land 16th.
      https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32383249/lowe-league-pass-rankings-breaking-nba-teams-30-11-fun-style-unintended-comedy

      The list is like this:
      30. Oklahoma City Thunder (18 points)
      29. Cleveland Cavaliers (21.5)
      28. Orlando Magic (21.5)
      27. San Antonio Spurs (22.5)
      26. Houston Rockets (24)
      25. Detroit Pistons (25.5)
      24. Indiana Pacers (26)
      23. Washington Wizards (26.5)
      22. Toronto Raptors (28)
      21. Sacramento Kings (29.5)
      20. LA Clippers (30.5)
      19. Minnesota Timberwovles (31.5)
      18. Portland Trail Blazers (31.5)
      17. Miami Heat (32)
      16. New York Knicks (32.5)
      15. Boston Celtics (33)
      14. Memphis Grizzlies (33.5)
      13. Dallas Mavericks (34)
      12. Philadelphia 76ers (34.5)
      11. Utah Jazz (34.5)

      So Bulls and Hornets are in the Top10… what has he been smoking??

    9. LOL at the Kyrie situation and good job by the Nets for condemning — in not so many words — his selfish behavior. It seems like the guy is more than happy to miss games anyway. That’s still a very dangerous team, though.

    10. So Bulls and Hornets are in the Top10… what has he been smoking??

      It’s not a pure power ranking, but Zach’s rankings of which team’s local telecasts are most appealing to him to watch. Even when we were absolute garbage, we tended to do well on this list because of Breen and Clyde, plus Zach’s love of the MSG court and crowd. And he’ll give bonus points to teams that play entertaining basketball. LaMelo is a human highlight film, which helps the Hornets. And the Bulls are gonna be weird, whether good(*) or bad. They’ll be compelling.

      (*) At the risk of opening up a can of worms, someone on Twitter the other day had a thread about how preseason basketball does have some predictive power if a team is as dominant in exhibition games as the Bulls have been so far. Wish I could remember who retweeted it into my feed so I could link to it here, but it was interesting.

    11. Thibs has done a masterful job and he’s an amazing coach but yeah, just play the rookies for 10-15 minutes here and there even if god forbid that’s not the 100000% best path to winning everything all the damn time in all the possible universes and multiverses and metaverses ever.

    12. Yeah, i got the “LEAGUE PASS Rankings” right, Alan. ;)
      Maybe it’s because i don’t watch other teams that often, but i think the Knicks will be very entertaining this season, so i expected us to be higher in the list. And LaMelo is fun, but ahead of Luka, does that make sense?

    13. Barrettcuda: Boy, we really dodged a bullet on the whole Kyrie thing didn’t we?

      No, we would now trade Kyrie for Dame and the lineup of Dame + Harden + KD + Cyber + Barrettcuda would be the favorite to win the championship. LOL
      Now being serious, yeah we did. And i much prefer to win the way we’re trying to win than to have to root for a super friends team, although the latter probably gives a lot more chances to win it all.

    14. (*) At the risk of opening up a can of worms, someone on Twitter the other day had a thread about how preseason basketball does have some predictive power if a team is as dominant in exhibition games as the Bulls have been so far. Wish I could remember who retweeted it into my feed so I could link to it here, but it was interesting.

      I remember reading about some study a couple of years ago that also found that preseason game results have some predictive power for the regular season. I believe it. Of course, teams do often experiment in preseason and more players see the court than would get minutes in the regular season, but the truth is, most teams are experimenting with stuff like that so they are mostly in the same boat. That means you can mostly compare results. Results won’t correlate 100% with the what then happens in the regular season but preseason results aren’t totally random either.

    15. Owen: Imagine thinking the Celtics are more watchable the Knicks.
      In what world?

      Yeah, i got mad at that one too… but was trying to contain myself! ;P

    16. since around the time rose showed up last year we were in a bunch of tough, close games…

      I thought the knicks were one of the most enjoyable teams to watch last year – if you like watching teams bust butt on defense…

    17. We played some ugly basketball last year. It’s looking like that will change this year, but the skepticism is warranted.

    18. “And i much prefer to win the way we’re trying to win than to have to root for a superfriends team, although the latter probably gives a lot more chances to win it all.”

      In a sense, Nets brass earned this headache for selling its franchise away to three of the biggest flakes in NBA history.

      I respect Kyrie in many ways, but the guy is just one of these guys who have to always be the oddball in a situation like an aggressive contrarian — the Flat-Earth nonsense, the veganism, the anti-vaxxer bullshit — is there any offseason he doesn’t want to take a controversial position?

    19. Barrettcuda:
      Boy, we really dodged a bullet on the whole Kyrie thing didn’t we?

      I never wanted him on the Knicks, and apparently he never wanted to come to them, so I thank him for that!

    20. Nets were lucky they traded for Harden.

      If Kyrie doesn’t play this season, he will have been paid $100 million for 74 games over 3 years. Amazing.

    21. Barrettcuda:
      Boy, we really dodged a bullet on the whole Kyrie thing didn’t we?

      Kyrie is truly one of the biggest douches in sports, and Durant and Harden aren’t exactly what I would call likable, but I think we all need to be really honest with ourselves. We would have been thrilled to have 2 of the greatest offensive players in NBA history on our team, and the Nets are still favorites to win it all.

      I totally get that building from the ground up is preferable, but let’s not kid ourselves. We’d be all in on this team if we had the Nets roster, absolutely no one would be saying “Yeah we won a championship, but it just doesn’t feel right”

    22. https://knickerblogger.net/chicago-bulls-98-new-york-knicks-105-game-recap/#comment-675375

      Kyrie Irving, Celtics’ press introduction:

      Before we dive into the importance of why we’re all here, I want to appreciate everyone here on the stage and the opportunity that is in front of us to go after something that is bigger than ourselves.

      I just wanted to say, sometimes we get lost in these two hoops and a basketball, the most humane things that make us human, we lose track of sometimes and I wanted to take the time now to wish my well energy and heartfelt to Jae Crowder and his mother, cuz that is a hard situation to go through, especially when he gets wrapped up in all this, as well as IT’s sister, and as well as those affected in Charlottesville and Houston, that is all reality-based and I live in that world.

      This is basketball and perfecting my craft is very important to me. But outside of this game I live a very much real life. I appreciate all the people around me,as well as all the human beings I wind up meeting. I just wanted to come out and say that my appreciation for this world goes deeper than a lot of people realize. I take my respects for all those people, as well as anyone affected by anything, we’re all here with you and my prayers are with you.

      I thank the basketball gods that Kyrie has never been in blue and orange. We’d be arguing for years over whether he’s actually a supergenius.

    23. knickerblogger.net/chicago-bulls-98-new-york-knicks-105-game-recap/#comment-675375

      Kyrie Irving, Celtics’ press introduction:

      Before we dive into the importance of why we’re all here, I want to appreciate everyone here on the stage and the opportunity that is in front of us to go after something that is bigger than ourselves.

      I just wanted to say, sometimes we get lost in these two hoops and a basketball, the most humane things that make us human, we lose track of sometimes and I wanted to take the time now to wish my well energy and heartfelt to Jae Crowder and his mother, cuz that is a hard situation to go through, especially when he gets wrapped up in all this, as well as IT’s sister, and as well as those affected in Charlottesville and Houston, that is all reality-based and I live in that world.

      This is basketball and perfecting my craft is very important to me. But outside of this game I live a very much real life. I appreciate all the people around me,as well as all the human beings I wind up meeting. I just wanted to come out and say that my appreciation for this world goes deeper than a lot of people realize. I take my respects for all those people, as well as anyone affected by anything, we’re all here with you and my prayers are with you.

      I thank the basketball gods that Kyrie has never been in blue and orange. We’d be arguing for years over whether he’s actually a supergenius.

    24. Kyrie Irving, Celtics’ press introduction:

      Before we dive into the importance of why we’re all here, I want to appreciate everyone here on the stage and the opportunity that is in front of us to go after something that is bigger than ourselves.

      I just wanted to say, sometimes we get lost in these two hoops and a basketball, the most humane things that make us human, we lose track of sometimes and I wanted to take the time now to wish my well energy and heartfelt to Jae Crowder and his mother, cuz that is a hard situation to go through, especially when he gets wrapped up in all this, as well as IT’s sister, and as well as those affected in Charlottesville and Houston, that is all reality-based and I live in that world.

      This is basketball and perfecting my craft is very important to me. But outside of this game I live a very much real life. I appreciate all the people around me,as well as all the human beings I wind up meeting. I just wanted to come out and say that my appreciation for this world goes deeper than a lot of people realize. I take my respects for all those people, as well as anyone affected by anything, we’re all here with you and my prayers are with you.

      I thank the basketball gods that Kyrie has never been in blue and orange. We’d be arguing for years over whether he’s actually a supergenius.

      (Also, why can’t I post links anymore?)

    25. Nets issue Kyrie and ultimatum, vaxx or be banned:
      “Kyrie has made a personal choice, and we respect his individual right to choose. Currently, the choice restricts his ability to be a full-time member of the team, and we will not permit any member of our team to participate with part-time availability.” (Sean Marks)

    26. If we had the Nets roster, like D-Mar said, we’d all be pretty darn happy. But we would be clamoring for them to trade Kyrie.

      He is truly superfluous on that team, and this anti-vax stance of his is a blessing in disguise if the Nets can use it as an excuse to trade him for players better suited to supporting Harden and Durant.

    27. He has allegedly threatened to retire if they trade him. I think the Nets are stuck. But a Kyrie-for-Simmons trade would in theory make everyone happy.

    28. Actually, who am I kidding? You probably can’t get shit for Kyrie on the trade market right now. Who would want to give up anything for a guy that might quit at any time?

    29. It’d be fun to watch a superfriends team I guess, but that kind of team comes with its own baggage: if you don’t win a chip the year feels like a complete failure. I’ve always favored the “scrappy lovable underdog” kind of team which means I tend to root for shitty teams that never win anything. Maybe it would be fun to be a frontrunner for a while, I dunno.

    30. Kyrie would be a disaster in Philadelphia. That city would hate the shit out of him if he didn’t bust his ass and play every game.

    31. the fun thing about having the Nets roster would simply be Durant. He’s a basketball genius and will likely retire on par with MJ and LeBron. I would love the chance to watch him every game and be on his side.

    32. For a Superfriends team you would want at least one core player to remain with the team like with Wade in Miami. If it were the Nets team where none of the big 3 developed there wouldn’t feel that great about the team.

      But like Hubert said watching a great like KD every night would be a real treat.

    33. Celebrities that are anti-vaxx piss me off so much. They have so much influence in our culture, which is sad, but the fact is if Kyrie gets covid he has millions of dollars to make sure he gets the best care in the world. At this point in the pandemic, if you’re wealthy and get covid you can pretty much assure that you will be fine. So, sure, you have personal choice to not get the vaccine but regular people, especially poor people, are playing with fire if they don’t get vaccinated bc they do not get the same healthcare as rich celebrities. But Kyrie’s anti-vaxx position could potentially cause lots of people to not get vaccinated.

      I mean, I just wish people like him would acknowledge that. Admit that he is choosing not to get vaccinated for personal reasons but also that he can afford to because he will be fine if he gets covid.

    34. Celebrities that are anti-vaxx piss me off so much. They have so much influence in our culture, which is sad, but the fact is if Kyrie gets covid he has millions of dollars to make sure he gets the best care in the world. At this point in the pandemic, if you’re wealthy and get covid you can pretty much assure that you will be fine.

      Allen West came down with Covid and had to be hospitalized, and he was treated with monoclonal antibodies so he’s out of the hospital. That didn’t stop him from saying “We need to stop lining the pockets of Big Pharma with the vaccines, and should be giving monoclonal antibodies to people who get sick.”

      Uhh, who does he think manufactures monoclonal antibodies? Little Pharma? The local artisan pharmaceutical company? Like you just buy those shits at the local farmer’s market on Sunday?

    35. Problem with Kyrie is that he liked posts saying there are microchips in the vaccines so hes probably too far gone at this point.

    36. “Problem with Kyrie is that he liked posts saying there are microchips in the vaccines so hes probably too far gone at this point.”

      So he was the guy who wrote the plot for the latest James Bond movie, huh?

    37. If i rooted for Knicks teams with the likes of Eddy Curry, Steve Francis, Shved, Jared Jeffries, Jorts, Bargnani, Beno Udrih, Lou Amundson, Jimmer, Kevin Seraphin, Sasha Vujacic, Mo NDour, and so on, of course i’d root for a super friends Knicks team. It’s just that i prefer the old fashion way of building a good team piece by piece.

    38. The most humane things that make us human, guys. You wouldn’t understand. You must squeegee your third eye. How? Money. Lots of money.

    39. I got vaxxed and I’m beginning to believe they contain microchips, too.

      No, no… take that bac… no chps in vacines… having trouple tiping…..

    40. @NYPost_Berman
      Nerlens Noel says his preseason absence is more of a hamstring injury than knee. First it was for rest. Noel won’t fully commit to Wednesday vs. Detroit. It’s not a bad thing Thibodeau getting chance to look closer at center Jericho Sims.

    41. swiftandabundant: I mean, I just wish people like him would acknowledge that. Admit that he is choosing not to get vaccinated for personal reasons but also that he can afford to because he will be fine if he gets covid.

      +1000

    42. I think Strat hacked the morning news bot, and now we have some horse racing sprinkled in it. LOL
      Just kidding, it’s the coincidence of a horse named “Knicks Go” that gets those news in the list.

      He’s an exceptionally fast horse. He won the Breeder’s Cup Mile and a couple of other prestigious races last year. Right now he’s considered the best older dirt horse in the US and favorite to win the Breeder’s Cup Classic (biggest race of the year in the US). It won’t be easy. He’ll be trying to stretch his speed an 1/8th of mile further than he’s ever run, there are bound to be other high quality speed horses chasing him early, and some excellent horses closing at the end. It’s legitimately looking like a great race right now if everyone on the probable list shows up. The only problem is that he’s not named for the NY Knicks. :-)

    43. I’m not trying to start trouble here. I feel an obligation to present information.

      For those of you wondering how common breakthrough cases are, two of my best life long friends, their daughter, & their aide (daughter is in a wheelchair and need help) all just caught Covid from each other.

      All were double vaccinated.

      One already had his booster.

      Two of the four wound up in the hospital.

      One is still in the hospital (over a week) and is on oxygen now. I spoke to his wife this morning and even though she’s home from the hospital, she sounded terrible. She still has a mild fever and is very weak, but she is breathing OK. So they sent her home.

      I just texted the one in the hospital. He’s one of the toughest guys I’ve ever known. He told me it’s the worst thing he’s ever experienced. He’s 63 and already had his booster, yet he got the worst case.

      Not only is vaccination not a get out of jail free card, imo it’s simply not very good after “x” months have passed. The idea that it’s a pandemic of the unvaccinated is outright bullshit.

    44. (*) At the risk of opening up a can of worms, someone on Twitter the other day had a thread about how preseason basketball does have some predictive power if a team is as dominant in exhibition games as the Bulls have been so far. Wish I could remember who retweeted it into my feed so I could link to it here, but it was interesting.

      You were thinking of the creator of DARKO Kostya Medevdosky, Alan.

      https://twitter.com/kmedved/status/1447024217397022720?s=21

    45. Deeefense: The idea that it’s a pandemic of the unvaccinated is outright bullshit.

      Sweet anecdote, genius. Biden said “pandemic of the unvaccinated” in July, before the unvaccinated started going out and getting themselves deep into the ICU and facilitating the spread of Delta through their unmasked bullshit.

      Stop talking. You make a fucking fool of yourself in every fucking post.

    46. imo it’s simply not very good after “x” months have passed

      Cool, objectively incorrect.

    47. Strat, does your hospitalized friend have any comorbidities that would place him at higher risk for Covid hospitalization? Diabetes, COPD, autoimmune disorders, anything of the like?

      Not trying to snark on you here, just asking out of legit curiosity.

    48. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Sweet anecdote, genius. Biden said “pandemic of the unvaccinated” in July, before the unvaccinated started going out and getting themselves deep into the ICU and facilitating the spread of Delta through their unmasked bullshit.

      Stop talking. You make a fucking fool of yourself in every fucking post.

      You are a flat out idiot.

      You know less than zero about basketball. That has been obvious for years, but you apparently know even less about what’s going on in the world in a timely fashion.

      This kind of thing has been going on in other countries with higher vaccination rates than the US all along. I’ve been reporting that. The vaccine loses efficacy fairly quickly. They learned that in Israel months ago. Once it does the vaccinated start spreading it almost as easily as unvaccinated to others and among themselves (as in this case). This is not isolated or an anecdote. I reported it because now it impacted my best friends.

      Even people with 3rd dose boosters are getting sick in not insignificant numbers in other countries as they will here too (as my friend just did).

      The vaccine has a benefit initially, but that benefit is limited and declines fairly quickly. That’s the unpleasant truth. My post had nothing to do with the idiots in DC and their politics or the idiots in the media that are 2-3 months behind the developments. I don’t care about incompetents and liars. I care about my friends. The vaccine is not nearly as good as the initial claims and hopes.

    49. JK47:
      Strat, does your hospitalized friend have any comorbidities that would place him at higher risk for Covid hospitalization? Diabetes, COPD, autoimmune disorders, anything of the like?

      Not trying to snark on you here, just asking out of legit curiosity.

      He does. At my age, almost everyone has something. I’m lucky in that I only have mildly high blood pressure (that this forum does not help). That’s why he qualified for the booster so quickly even though he’s only 63.

      The point being that the people at greatest risk of a serious case are the ones that need some prophylactic like a vaccine to prevent serious cases the most. But those are the very people that benefit the least from the vaccine because their window of enhanced immunity is generally shorter. His daughter and the aide both had some congestion and seem to have recovered quickly already. Both are younger and may have had mild cases anyway. There’s no way to know. He and his wife ended up in the hospital.

    50. Re: superteams I would imagine it’s hard to look back on them terribly fondly as a fan if they don’t win it all, though I agree with Kevin that it’s probably pretty different if you maintain someone you drafted (or at least someone who has deeper roots with the team for whatever reason). The Nets are kinda unique in genuinely being completely astroturfed.

      It’s much easier to look back fondly on non-super, scrappy type teams even if they fall short, I think. I don’t think Memphis fans would trade the Grit n’ Grind era for the world.

    51. My guess is that regardless of what happens with Kyrie over the next few months he’s probably going to opt out next year now. He seems more like a guy that is not going to take kindly to certain things and will stick with his convictions (right or wrong) more than Simmons. I don’t think he really cares about money that much.

    52. My post had nothing to do with the idiots in DC and their politics or the idiots in the media that are 2-3 months behind the developments.

      Everyone knows the efficacy wanes. Everyone is talking about it openly. That’s literally why the booster was approved. It’s not knowledge limited to people who pretend to pore over primary sources when in reality they’re headline-glancer types.

      I’m not going to post the studies again but it’s still pretty decent (40%-50%) protection against infection, and excellent protection (~90%) against severe disease 6 months out and that’s before any booster. If what you’re saying contradicts any of that, and it does, you are wrong.

    53. @IanBegley
      Knicks announce that they’ve signed former Seton Hall star Myles Powell.

      Powell showed enough flashes in the G-League bubble that I wouldn’t hate him as our other 2-way deal. (And I definitely wouldn’t mind him if he’s just going to be on the Westchester/Bridgeport team without a 2-way.)

      Also, we waived Tyler Hall to make room for Powell on the training camp roster. No big loss.

    54. thenoblefacehumper: Everyone knows the efficacy wanes. Everyone is talking about it openly. That’s literally why the booster was approved. It’s not knowledge limited to people who pretend to pore over primary sources when in reality they’re headline-glancer types.

      I’m not going to post the studies again but it’s still pretty decent (40%-50%) protection against infection, and excellent protection (~90%) against severe disease 6months out and that’s before any booster. If what you’re saying contradicts any of that, and it does, you are wrong.

      I don’t know where you are getting those numbers, but they are dated.

      As I did last time, I suggest you look at the data out of Israel where they had higher vaccination rates earlier, got hit with this wave sooner, and have much better data. They are in the recovery phase now (as Florida seems to be starting now also).

      I also suggest you look at age adjusted data because that matters a LOT to guys like me and others in my age group that are at the greatest risk.

      Britain also seems to have better data than the US.

      There are morons in the US press (and in DC) that are quoting case and death data from the beginning of the year or even worse beginning of the pandemic and applying that to the percentage of cases and deaths of vaccinated vs unvaccinated when most people didn’t even get vaccinated until spring.

      Millions of people in the US are like me. Almost all my friends got vaccinated in April. We are just starting to reach 6 months now and there are MANY millions after me that are still inside a good portion of the efficacy window. So we don’t even have good data in the US yet.

    55. Early Bird:
      Strat, I’m sorry your friend is in the hospital and I hope he makes a full recovery.

      Thanks a lot. We are very close now and at times best friends for 50 years.

    56. I suggest you look at the data out of Israel where they had higher vaccination rates earlier, got hit with this wave sooner, and have much better data.

      Ok. Looked.

      Between Dec 14, 2020, and Aug 8, 2021, of 4?920?549 individuals assessed for eligibility, we included 3?436?957 (median age 45 years [IQR 29–61]; 1?799?395 [52·4%] female and 1?637?394 [47·6%] male). For fully vaccinated individuals, effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infections was 73% (95% CI 72–74) and against COVID-19-related hospital admissions was 90% (89–92). Effectiveness against infections declined from 88% (95% CI 86–89) during the first month after full vaccination to 47% (43–51) after 5 months. Among sequenced infections, vaccine effectiveness against infections of the delta variant was high during the first month after full vaccination (93% [95% CI 85–97]) but declined to 53% [39–65] after 4 months. Effectiveness against other (non-delta) variants the first month after full vaccination was also high at 97% (95% CI 95–99), but waned to 67% (45–80) at 4–5 months. Vaccine effectiveness against hospital admissions for infections with the delta variant for all ages was high overall (93% [95% CI 84–96]) up to 6 months.

      Huh, sounds like exactly what I said.

      Edit: I forgot the Lancet study wasn’t based in Israel, so it’s handy that an Israeli study replicated its findings entirely (https://www.israel21c.org/israeli-study-pfizer-vaccine-wears-off-after-6-months/).

      “The study echoes findings published by Pfizer and Kaiser Permanente in Lancet earlier in the week, showing the vaccine’s effectiveness drops from 88 to 47 percent after six months. This study also proved the vaccine 90% effective for at least six months at preventing hospitalization of infected people.”

    57. thenoblefacehumper,

      Those are encouraging studies overall. However, it seems they studied through part of July in one and part of August in another. In one they monitored antibodies, not cases. I’m not sure anyone knows how closely those are related. I sure don’t. I did find it interesting they talked about natural immunity from prior infection which seems to still be off limits in the US.

      August is when I started reading about Israel’s most recent wave. That when it really took off.

      I was reading daily reports in the Israeli news that were WAY less encouraging ( a range of 35% – 50% efficacy in cases and 60%–70% for hospitalizations overall, but I can’t remember the exact number for the latter). It was less encouraging for older people that tend to get worse results.

      Soon after they started their all out booster campaign and even started talking about a 4th booster things were going so badly. Things have settled down now.

      So I suspect those studies you posted are accurate, but also dated.

      Granted, I may be naive to believe what I was reading in August/September in the Israeli press on a daily basis. Their press could be as bad as in the US. But it seems those emails I sent to my friends in August telling them a new wave was coming to the US based on what I was reading in Israel and that efficacy was declining were prescient because almost no one was talking about it in the US at the time other than some investors I follow that steered me in that direction.

    58. The Nets could do without Kyrie to be honest. KD is that good and proved again when healthy he’s one of the best, if not THE best player in the league (slight edge over Giannis). As long as Harden has bought into that point guard mentality he flashed last year, Nets will be in the East Conference Finals/make the finals.

      I’m glad Sean Marks and the Nets finally woke up and said enough is enough EARLY before the season started. Can’t be having unnecessary distractions on a team with championship aspirations. Would not surprise me if Kyrie sat out the entire year or retired if traded like some of suggested.

      But enough Brooklyn talk, let’s go Knicks!

    59. So I see vaccines have come up again; the big vaccine news is the FDA saying no (or not saying yes, same thing) to Moderna boosters.

      thenoblefacehumper: Everyone knows the efficacy wanes. Everyone is talking about it openly. That’s literally why the booster was approved. It’s not knowledge limited to people who pretend to pore over primary sources when in reality they’re headline-glancer types.

      I’m not going to post the studies again but it’s still pretty decent (40%-50%) protection against infection, and excellent protection (~90%) against severe disease 6months out and that’s before any booster. If what you’re saying contradicts any of that, and it does, you are wrong.

      If the efficacy wanes and the “spread stop” wanes even quicker, then as Strat said, it’s not a “pandemic of the unvaccinated.” And it simply isn’t. It might have been for a few short months in May-ish, in fact it was — but it’s nothing close now.

      And the non-political FDA panel said no (or didn’t say yes, same thing) to Moderna boosters today. Not enough data, not enough waning. I will not take one until a non-political FDA panel signs off on it.

    60. WTF?? Of course the vaccine’s efficacy of preventing you from getting sick wanes over time. But it still a) prevents you from getting sick early on, b) prevents you from dying later on, and c) reduces your contribution to spreading COVID. So, unless you are a total a-hole, who doesn’t care about society and doesn’t understand the most basic assessment of risk and reward, you get vaccinated.

    61. Strat – first and foremost, sorry to hear about your friend. Hope he and his family get through this in one piece.

      But why exactly are you bringing this up? What does this anecdote prove? That a sub-100% method doesn’t work 100% of the time? Nobody has ever argued that these are foolproof.

      Are you trying to argue that the benefits of the vaccine are potentially outweighed by the risks? Well, no, not here – from your description, it seems like your friend suffered no adverse side effects.

      If anything, all you’ve demonstrated here is that this virus is both pernicious and persistent. The logical response would be to support a more aggressive course of action in responding to it. Nevertheless, you seem hellbent on ‘Whatabouting’ any given political issue (even when there’s nothing inherently political about it!), even when doing so means acting firmly against your own rational self-interest.

    62. then as Strat said

      Actually here’s what Strat said:

      it’s simply not very good after “x” months have passed

    63. glidepath: But why exactly are you bringing this up? What does this anecdote prove? That a sub-100% method doesn’t work 100% of the time? Nobody has ever argued that these are foolproof.

      “I know a guy, a close friend of mine, who got into a car accident with a seatbelt on. Died on impact, proving the truth of the matter: car accidents are not just a problem of the unbelted. Ralph Nader and the rest of the pro-seatbelt shills in DC and in the media are lying to you.”

      glidepath: Is this the subplot from Extras with the genie panto?

      Oh yes, this is the one.

    64. GoldClub:
      WTF??Of course the vaccine’s efficacy of preventing you from getting sick wanes over time.But it still a) prevents you from getting sick early on, b) prevents you from dying later on, and c) reduces your contribution to spreading COVID.So, unless you are a total a-hole, who doesn’t care about society and doesn’t understand the most basic assessment of risk and reward, you get vaccinated.

      No one here I know of is anti vaccine or even unvaccinated.

      I am arguing they overpromised, undelivered, have been moving the goalposts, are now spinning, and there are still very high risks even if you are vaccinated once you are 6 months or more out.

      Just today read a series of articles in NY suggesting the efficacy is declining partly because people are more active and are not wearing masks as much (and partly that delta is more contagious). So basically they are suggesting it would have worked better as long as you locked yourself in your home like last year. This is nonsense. rotflmao

      It should be measure based on everyone doing exactly what they were doing before.

      I still wear a KN95 mask whenever I go shopping or am going to be indoors with people I don’t know. So do many of my friends. The only time I go out to eat I either eat outside or I am well outside of NYC in a more rural area and less crowded restaurant. That kind of risk aversion should be controlled for in any discussion or study on efficacy.

    65. Medical update:

      My secondary tumor has started to grow again after 14 months of control and I’ll be starting a different type of chemotherapy next week.

    66. The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      Oh yes, this is the one.

      Well, it cracked me up, but I saw a study showing that Ricky’s guest appearance on Curb generated 30% more laughs per minute, thus proving that Extras sucked and that anyone in the lying media (looking at you, Alan!) who recommended it is either a fraud or a hopelessly naive rube.

    67. so so glad I’ve dramtically cut back on the “news” I consume this last year…

      too funny jk:

      Uhh, who does he think manufactures monoclonal antibodies? Little Pharma? The local artisan pharmaceutical company? Like you just buy those shits at the local farmer’s market on Sunday

      that’s right, gimme them good good anti-bodies being cooked up in somebody’s bathtub…that good good stuff…

    68. I am arguing they overpromised, undelivered

      Like 40% of the country wouldn’t take the vaccine and “they” underdelivered?

    69. But why exactly are you bringing this up? What does this anecdote prove? That a sub-100% method doesn’t work 100% of the time? Nobody has ever argued that these are foolproof.

      I am arguing they overpromised, undelivered, have been moving the goalposts, are spinning, and there are still very high risks even if you are vaccinated once you are 6 months or more out, especially if you are older like me and my friends.

      I thought it was practically a public service.

      Not you personally, but the some people can go F themselves. My best friend could still die and some of you are more worried about spinning me into an anti-vax person that doesn’t know what’s going on than offering some sympathy or recognizing that the vaccine has been a major disappointment and is not working that well. That’s why 1 or more boosters are coming, And apparently, according to Israel that doesn’t work so well either or they wouldn’t already be talking about a 4th or 6 month/annual booster.

      Do yourself a favor. Even if you are vaccinated, continue to be very careful.

    70. “…or I am well outside of NYC in a more rural area and less crowded restaurant. That kind of risk aversion should be controlled for in any discussion or study on efficacy.”

      You mean the risk aversion where you leave a crowded but high-vaccination location for a slightly less crowded low-vaccination one?

      Dude, so sorry to hear. Thoughts are with you.

    71. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Like 40% of the country wouldn’t take the vaccine and “they” underdelivered?

      I can’t defend people that won’t get vaccinated, but that’s not the problem I am discussing. I can’t control what other people do. Personally, I don’t want to. I’d like to inform them, show LESS force that they might resent, and hope for the best. That goes double if they have already been infected and would rather trust their own immunity.

      What I am saying is that if the vaccine was as effective as they initially said, vaccinated people wouldn’t be transmitting to each other so readily now too. That was one of the initial promises. But it appears vaccinated people have similar viral loads and pass around as readily once they get infected. That was not Plan A.

    72. Because of the emergency, they really didn’t know how long the vaccines would stay potent and how much a vaccinated person would have a propensity to spread it. I’m not going to break their balls over that one. The messaging has been poor and the public education has been poor, but the whole things caught up in tribal politics now so it’s inevitable.

      But now anyone paying attention knows. It’s unfortunately no longer like it was during the Hawks playoff series. There’s no doubt about this and there’s no doubt that the vaccinated are spreading it like wildfire as are the vaccinated. But people should really pay attention. Pfizer has waned way more than Moderna for example. A booster may make way more sense there. For Moderna, it doesn’t make a bit of sense and my worry has always been that Moderna recipients would be put in the same bucket when it comes time for booster mandates and re-evaluations of whether you’re “fully vaccinated.” Those things are inevitably coming, unless Delta just burns itself out on its own. Right now, I’m “fully vaccinated,” every piece of data says so, and if someone tries to mandate something based on me not being “fully vaccinated” that would be just completely faulty. It’s true that there’s been no such booster mandate yet, and maybe there won’t be. We’ll see.

    73. Raven:
      “…or I am well outside of NYC in a more rural area and less crowded restaurant. That kind of risk aversion should be controlled for in any discussion or study on efficacy.”

      You mean the risk aversion where you leave a crowded but high-vaccination location for a slightly less crowded low-vaccination one?

      Dude, so sorry to hear. Thoughts are with you.

      Where I go on weekends to get out of NYC is more rural than NYC, highly vaccinated, and has a lower per capita caseload than NYC. I monitor that data every single day for the 5 boroughs, Nassau, Suffolk, and many counties in NY all the way up to Saratoga where I spent some time this summer at the races (outdoors). It takes me exactly 5 minutes and I know what’s going on all around me. I also take quick snapshots around the country from time to time. That’s how I know major improvements are occurring in Florida lately. I see the data as live as is possible for me. I see a nice heat map that changes colors.

    74. The vaccine loses efficacy fairly quickly. They learned that in Israel months ago.

      Strat, you have incomplete information, and I just want to pass along the complete information to you and anyone who may be influenced by this.

      We have learned that the vaccine’s ability to produce antibodies that last in the mucus can go away in a matter of months. Hence the breakthrough cases. If you don’t have antibodies in your nose/mouth/throat, you are likely to be infected if you catch the Delta virus.

      But Israel (and everywhere else) has
      shown that the vaccine does *not* lose efficacy in its ability to produce antibodies that last in the blood serum. Hence the low number of hospitalizations and deaths among the vaccinated.

      I’m sorry to hear about your friends. The vaccine isn’t perfect. But it’s an incredible weapon in the fight, and it would be more effective if we all had it.

    75. Guys, please. We’re never going to get anywhere on this particular subject, and it is an intense bummer to not be able to escape discussion of it even here. I deliberately avoided mentioning the Kyrie stuff here because I knew exactly what was going to happen.

      Is there any way we can return to the previous plan of everyone commenting covid/vaccine stuff in a single post to not taint EVERY other one?

    76. I’m sorry you’re going through so much, Dude. I hope the new treatment gets better results.

    77. It’s more complicated than that, because the initial vaccines produced big discrepancies in antibody levels person-to-person. If they wane at a given rate, some people’s are now down to zero or dangerously low whereas others are still perfectly fine, even if they’ve waned from the initial level. There are people out there who got vaccinated but are no longer “vaccinated,” OTOH, there are people out there who are going to get boosters who still have plenty of antibodies. We basically all have our own antibody fuel gauges and they vary significantly. Throw in the antibodies generated by natural immunity from getting it and there’s yet another confusing factor. Given all this, “you need a booster after X months” is inevitably going to be a very crude tool.

      (Some people had very marginal impacts to begin with. There’s a Johns Hopkins study showing that, which IMO also showed at least a loose correlation between side effect magnitude and vaccine antibody level provided. That one’s still controversial.)

    78. Guys, please. We’re never going to get anywhere on this particular subject, and it is an intense bummer to not be able to escape discussion of it even here. I deliberately avoided mentioning the Kyrie stuff here because I knew exactly what was going to happen.

      Is there any way we can return to the previous plan of everyone commenting covid/vaccine stuff in a single post to not taint EVERY other one?

      Poor Alan sounds like Piggy right before he got crushed by the boulder while holding the conch shell.

    79. Because of the emergency, they really didn’t know how long the vaccines would stay potent and how much a vaccinated person would have a propensity to spread it. I’m not going to break their balls over that one. The messaging has been poor and the public education has been poor, but the whole things caught up in tribal politics now so it’s inevitable.

      I don’t disagree with you on any of this subject, but there a couple of lessons to be learned by doctors, politicians, media etc.. from Wall St CEOs.

      Don’t overpromise and underdeliver and don’t get caught spinning or lying. You will be punished and people won’t believe you anymore. That’s where some of the resistance and hesitancy is coming from (that and all sorts of inconsistencies in policies and behavior from the dimwits in charge)

    80. al, adjust your focus…pretend that shit ain’t even there, soon as you think something might not be for you, keeping it moving (eyes & mind)…

      oh well, works for me…then again my mind floats a lot anyways…it”s very difficult to near impossible to control community environments, best bet is to try to adjust yourself..

    81. But Israel (and everywhere else) has
      shown that the vaccine does *not* lose efficacy in its ability to produce antibodies that last in the blood serum. Hence the low number of hospitalizations and deaths among the vaccinated.

      Hubert,

      No one is claiming they don’t work.

      We are essentially debating excellent vs. very good vs. OK vs disappointing but still necessary.

      I’m squarely in the latter camp.

      Excellent is all the vaccines I’ve taken one time in my life that still work well.

      Very good is the ones I take every 10 years or so (tetanus) or even every 4-5 years that work (like my recent Shingrix vaccination).

      After that it starts declining until you get down to flu which is annual and now Covid which may be every 6 months. I know this was a tough emergency situation, but I don’t grade on a curve. They overpromised and underdelivered.

    82. I’m going to go now.

      I am retired and have nothing better to do all day than read and stay informed from as many sources as possible. That’s a better use of my time than arguing with people that don’t want to admit things aren’t as rosy as promised.

    83. Alan: Powell showed enough flashes in the G-League bubble that I wouldn’t hate him as our other 2-way deal.

      I wanted Myles Powell last year for the Knicks to evaluate his potential, so i approve this move.

    84. Damn Dude. So Sorry to hear the update. Hope you find the strength to persevere and get a positive outcome. Hope you have a strong support system.

    85. DudeInKnicksTown.

      I missed your post earlier. I’m super sorry to hear that. Try to stay positive. It can only help.

    86. I’m trying to keep it about basketball, Alan. ;)
      I don’t think i am one of the “more statistically minded members”, but i’m now going to check that comment of yours and if i can come up with an answer to it, i’ll do it. :)

    87. Chicago looks like they’ll be good, but it’s not clear how good. Still largely depends on how good you thought they were beforehand. Of course in game 3 they beat CLE by 1pt despite CHI playing 4 starters 30+ min.

      And of course it’s worth mentioning that the Knicks have the 2nd highest net rating in preseason.

    88. Nobody “promised” anything. When the vaccines first became available, the data from every study indicated one thing. Months later, subsequent studies indicated another. In both instances public health authorities (and I have my criticisms of how they’ve handled multiple aspects of this situation) were transparent about the implications. There is no half-reputable study indicating the vaccine is “not good” or whatever even post-waning.

      I’m sorry about your friend Strat, but as Hubert points out this stuff is publicly accessible on the internet so I view it as pretty important to snuff out nonsense.

      Dude, hang in there my man. You’ve kicked this thing’s ass before and you will again.

    89. Chicago feels like the Knicks in that they will have a good offense but questionable defense. Difference is we have Mitch and Noel who can help shore up a lot of mistakes for us while the Bulls are relying on good wing defenders.

      I think our pieces fit better as well+ having a more explosive bench.

    90. Medvedovsky ideas for the predictive power of preseason results look promising, but they’re still green. Chicago played CLE twice, one of the worst teams in the league by far (and somehow only managed to win by 1pt the 2nd time, and for that they had to play their best players a lot more than usual in preseason) and played NOP once without Ingram and Zion (meaning they were at the same level than CLE and an easy matchup for CHI). You can’t predict they’ll be good with this schedule. Let’s wait to see what they’ll do against MEM.
      One comment to the tweet asked if he valued the 1st half of the games more than the 2nd, and that makes sense to try to not value times when the end of the roster was getting playing time.
      I’ll go even further, and say the net rating should be compared to the opponents value (he uses Vegas odds, and that looks OK) as a net rating of 15 against MIL is probably much better than a net rating of 30 against CLE.
      Another thing is that preseason used to have more games, i think it was around 8, which is another problem about using this data to predict performance, fewer games get less accurate predictions.
      My verdict is that it’s a cool idea to pursue but it’s not helpful at the moment, and the Bulls are going to prove it. I don’t think the Bulls are very good, they’re in the tier below us with the Hornets, Pacers, Wizards and Raptors.

    91. geo:
      how are you able keep positive and moving forward dude?

      I just go day by day. I also am hoping for someone to find a cure, possibly using mRNA as the method. I fight and I do have a great support team plus good doctors too.

    92. Sorry Strat, but your tetanus vaccine started development around 1890. Your Shingrix vaccine had years of development. Covid vaccines were developed in months during an hysterical global pandemic from a previously unknown virus. Anyone who thought “Phew, glad that’s over” when they came out is clearly someone with no clue how science or the real world works.

      Lots about the process was handled badly, but that’s different. If you don’t grade the vaccine effectiveness on a curve, your world has unicorns in it.

      Oh wait, yours does!

    93. kevin5318: Chicago feels like the Knicks in that they will have a good offense but questionable defense. Difference is we have Mitch and Noel who can help shore up a lot of mistakes for us while the Bulls are relying on good wing defenders.
      I think our pieces fit better as well+ having a more explosive bench.

      No offense Kevin, but i don’t agree with this, at all.
      Our Cs are very good and Julius became an OK defender last season. RJ is aiming to be the guy that defends the best player on the other team. Fournier has good motor and he’s european, meaning he’s used to team defense, that’s how we play here. Thibs is great at team defense, so he’ll be OK. That leaves Kemba, but last year we relied a lot on DRose and he’s bad at defense, like Kemba, which didn’t prevent the Knicks to have one of the best defenses of the league (was it 3rd best?).
      Chicago has 3 bad defenders on the lineup (Lavine, DeRozan, Vucevic), that’s 60% of your lineup, and you won’t be hiding 3 guys on the other 2, right? :D
      What’s even worst for Chicago is that a good defense starts with a very good defender at the C position, and they have the exact opposite.
      If Chicago is good it’ll be because the offense is great, not because of their defense. But with so many lowsy defenders, i don’t think they’ll manage to be good.

    94. Chicago is one of the most interesting teams in the league to me this year. They don’t have championship level upside or anything, but that is a serious amount of offensive fire power and I don’t think the offensive fit is all that difficult to work through, though LaVine and DeRozan might step on each others’ toes a bit.

      Will be an interesting test case of the relevancy of defense in the modern NBA. If they can get to 20th or so in defensive rating, I bet they can win 45+ games. Still hard to believe a team 25th or lower could pull that off though.

    95. Hi Dude,

      It’s morning here and I just got up and am catching up on Knickerblogger and saw your post. That is tough. Best of luck beating it again.

    96. @JLEdwardsIII
      Pistons injury report against Knicks: Cade Cunningham (ankle) and Killian Hayes (concussion) are OUT. Saddiq Bey (ankle) and Rodney McGruder (hip) are questionable. Hamidou Diallo (back) is probable.

      Hayes had a collision in the second half of the game last night.

      Okay, I might side with Team Play The Kids In Preseason if this one gets out of hand as quickly as it should given all the injured Pistons.

    97. from shams:

      Multiple sources with direct knowledge of Irving’s decision have told The Athletic that Irving is not anti-vaccine and that his stance is that he is upset that people are losing their jobs due to vaccine mandates. It’s a stance that Irving has explained to close teammates. To him, this is about a grander fight than the one on the court and Irving is challenging a perceived control of society and people’s livelihood, according to sources with knowledge of Irving’s mindset. It is a decision that he believes he is capable to make given his current life dynamics. “Kyrie wants to be a voice for the voiceless,” one source said.

    98. I’m not buying Kyrie’s schtik. If he had come out and said that from the get-go, maybe. Now he’s grasping at straws to save face because he’s not getting his way and the PR is bad.

    99. Hope it goes well for you, Dude. We want to keep the number of KB dudes where it is. Don’t go anywhere.

    100. Dude, I am sorry to read about the bad news. My thoughts and best wishes for you moving forward. I have an aunt who is dealing cancer treatment right now and a grandfather who died of bone cancer. So I really do sympathize in a very personal way. I hope you consider switching to a whole food plant-based diet if you haven’t already. I believe it will provide you with the best chance to beat this disease.

    101. Hubert:
      from shams:

      Multiple sources with direct knowledge of Irving’s decision have told The Athletic that Irving is not anti-vaccine and that his stance is that he is upset that people are losing their jobs due to vaccine mandates. It’s a stance that Irving has explained to close teammates. To him, this is about a grander fight than the one on the court and Irving is challenging a perceived control of society and people’s livelihood, according to sources with knowledge of Irving’s mindset. It is a decision that he believes he is capable to make given his current life dynamics. “Kyrie wants to be a voice for the voiceless,” one source said.

      What absolute nonsense. This is a public health and safety issue, the same as requiring people not to smoke in indoor public spaces or illegalizing drunk driving. Does Kyrie propose that we lift these requirements too in the name of individual freedom. Imagine if someone preparing Kyrie’s food refused to wash their hands from going to the restroom. I put mo way Kyrie wouldn’t have shit to say about that employee’s freedom to be unsanitary. This guy is such an airhead.

    102. Barrettcuda: What absolute nonsense. This is a public health and safety issue, the same as requiring people not to smoke in indoor public spaces or illegalizing drunk driving. Does Kyrie propose that we lift these requirements too in the name of individual freedom?Imagine if someone preparing Kyrie’s food refused to wash their hands from going to the restroom. I put money Kyrie wouldn’t have shit to say about that employee’s freedom to be unsanitary. This guy is such an airhead.

    103. A 50-60yrs old neighbor of mine started chemo some time ago.
      She got herself a cat and also started taking care of a stray cat that lives 100m near her.
      I know her for all my life and never remember her with a pet.
      I also watch her walking systematically.
      She looks like she’s getting better the last few months.

    104. Dude, regardless of our recent beef, sincere best wishes to you in your cancer fight. My dad is battling stage 4 esophageal cancer and has had terrible side effects both from the chemo and the Opdivo treatments that he has received. He was down under 100 pounds at one point but he has rallied a little bit over the last couple of months. He’s still hanging in there, cursing out the Jets and Yankees the same as always.

    105. d-mar: Kyrie is truly one of the biggest douches in sports, and Durant and Harden aren’t exactly what I would call likable, but I think we all need to be really honest with ourselves. We would have been thrilled to have 2 of the greatest offensive players in NBA history on our team, and the Nets are still favorites to win it all.

      I agree with everything you said except for “We would have been thrilled”. No I wouldn’t. The three are all douches and if I had to rank NBA players by douchiness, the trio would all be in the top-10, maybe top-5. I could never root for any of those Bozo’s.

    106. I think Knicks fans, especially the 4 decaade crowd, are so desperate for a title that they would have gladly accepted the douchiness of Harden, KD and Kyrie just to hang a championship banner or two in the rafters. I was opposed to signing KD and Kyrie for lots of reasons, primarily KD’s achilles tear, but would have swallowed that bitter-ass medicine and rooted for the laundry if it happened, just like I rooted for the shitty brand of douches when we stunk.

      But in all honesty, I’m glad in retrospect how things worked out. This is an incredibly rootable team, and I would imagine that even opposing fans have respect for the character and playing style of our mix of players. I guess the DRose hate on a personal/societal level is is legit, but beyond that, who’s the most hateable Knick? No one, right? There’s something to be said for that. It feels very organic, even if only RJ, IQ, Mitch and Obi are the only homegrown guys in the rotation. And the way Julius models the classic lunchpail kind of Knick star is pretty awesome.

    107. Knew Your Nicks:
      Dude are you listening to any music?
      How about exercising and nutrition?

      Not much music. I was a runner but now I try to walk a mile a day, when I’m up to it. I also use resistance bands but energy levels are a problem for me. As far as nutrition goes, the doctor wants me to eat well and keep a few extra pounds on and I try to oblige him. Goodnight and thanks to all.

    108. JK47:
      Dude, regardless of our recent beef, sincere best wishes to you in your cancer fight. My dad is battling stage 4 esophageal cancer and has had terrible side effects both from the chemo and the Opdivo treatments that he has received. He was down under 100 pounds at one point but he has rallied a little bit over the last couple of months. He’s still hanging in there, cursing out the Jets and Yankees the same as always.

      Thanks and I’ll pray for him, even though I’m not very religious.

    109. I’m the last person to give you advice but I’d suggest you to give music a chance IF Your Dr agrees-He’s the Man.
      The kind of music that makes you feel alright.
      Music does psych miracles.

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