Knicks Morning News (2021.10.07)

  • Hollinger’s 2021-22 New York Knicks preview: Lineup, roster, prediction, can they get their big fish? – The Athletic
    [theathletic.com] — Thursday, October 7, 2021 7:03:45 AM

    Hollinger’s 2021-22 New York Knicks preview: Lineup, roster, prediction, can they get their big fish?  The Athletic

  • Former Montana State basketball star Tyler Hall signs non-guaranteed contract with New York Knicks – 406mtsports.com
    [406mtsports.com] — Wednesday, October 6, 2021 11:43:00 PM

    Former Montana State basketball star Tyler Hall signs non-guaranteed contract with New York Knicks  406mtsports.com

  • New-look Knicks offense offers tantalizing glimpse – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Wednesday, October 6, 2021 11:42:00 PM

    New-look Knicks offense offers tantalizing glimpse  New York Post

  • Check Out What Myles Turner Tweeted After The Pacers Played The Knicks – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Wednesday, October 6, 2021 11:40:03 PM

    Check Out What Myles Turner Tweeted After The Pacers Played The Knicks  Sports Illustrated

  • After Vildoza Roster Cut, Knicks Sign Sharpshooter Tyler Hall – Heavy.com
    [heavy.com] — Wednesday, October 6, 2021 10:02:00 PM

    After Vildoza Roster Cut, Knicks Sign Sharpshooter Tyler Hall  Heavy.com

  • New York Knicks Odds, Futures & Betting Predictions To Back – Bookies.com
    [bookies.com] — Wednesday, October 6, 2021 7:09:04 PM

    New York Knicks Odds, Futures & Betting Predictions To Back  Bookies.com

  • Rookie Preview: Quentin Grimes, Miles McBride, Sims – The Knicks Wall
    [theknickswall.com] — Wednesday, October 6, 2021 5:58:57 PM

    Rookie Preview: Quentin Grimes, Miles McBride, Sims  The Knicks Wall

  • Knicks Signing Tyler Hall To Non-Guaranteed Deal – hoopsrumors.com
    [www.hoopsrumors.com] — Wednesday, October 6, 2021 3:50:00 PM

    Knicks Signing Tyler Hall To Non-Guaranteed Deal  hoopsrumors.com

  • The New York Knicks Are Back – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Wednesday, October 6, 2021 2:30:53 PM

    The New York Knicks Are Back  Sports Illustrated

  • Why Knicks Are Making Right Choice Waiting To Extend Mitchell Robinson – NBA Analysis Network
    [www.nbaanalysis.net] — Wednesday, October 6, 2021 12:09:31 PM

    Why Knicks Are Making Right Choice Waiting To Extend Mitchell Robinson  NBA Analysis Network

  • Knicks’ Contract Plans For Mitchell Robinson Become Clear – NBA Analysis Network
    [www.nbaanalysis.net] — Wednesday, October 6, 2021 11:30:29 AM

    Knicks’ Contract Plans For Mitchell Robinson Become Clear  NBA Analysis Network

  • New York Knicks: Why they told Nerlens Noel to shoot 3s – Hoops Habit
    [hoopshabit.com] — Wednesday, October 6, 2021 9:00:00 AM

    New York Knicks: Why they told Nerlens Noel to shoot 3s  Hoops Habit

  • Report: Brooklyn Nets still unclear on Kyrie Irving’s vaccine intentions – NBA.com
    [www.nba.com] — Wednesday, October 6, 2021 8:56:15 AM

    Report: Brooklyn Nets still unclear on Kyrie Irving’s vaccine intentions  NBA.com

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    84 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2021.10.07)”

    1. Hollinger for years has been unable to prevent himself from taking swipes at the Knicks, even in articles that otherwise had nothing to do with the team. The piece linked at the top of this post still expresses some reasonable skepticism regarding some of the contracts we gave out this summer, and potential for regression to the mean. But other than a gratuitous shot at my beloved Taj Gibson, it’s a very fair and mostly optimistic look at both this year’s team (he predicts 44-38 record and a sixth seed) and our plans for the future.

    2. even amid our happy little resurgence, can’t help but have some trey murphy envy. seems likely we were only a pick away from nabbing him. from the preseason overstatement seats, seems pretty obvious that both he and davion mitchell are ready to play rotation minutes right out of the gate.

    3. As I there weren’t enough LAARP Lakers jokes- they are definitely going to get worse now. Ariza’s surgery- isn’t that the same procedure STAT had on his knee? This is not a good look. They are going to have to depend on LeBron and Melo at the 3 and scrap the idea of playing AD at the 5 and Bron at the 4 to open the floor up for Westbrook. This is where teams should definitely attack them. I have faith in LeBron, but he’s still no spring chicken. Now if Vogel is stubborn and starts Melo at the 3..oof. they need a young wing that is taller than 6’4″. They could have Knox if they had anything to offer lol.

    4. Yeah that Hollinger article is as reasonable as it comes especially coming from his pen!

      Bill Simmons and Zach Lowe devoted a few minutes of the podcast to the Knicks — sounds like Simmons is really down on Kemba, especially his defense. Even going back to 2019-20 when Kemba was healthier, the Celts were about 5 points worse per 100 poss on defense with Kemba in terms of on/off (although they were +5/100poss on offense with him).

      Have to wonder whether it will be easier to hide / mitigate him on defense with real rim protection behind him though. 2019-20 Celtics played very small, with almost of all of Walker’s minutes coming with Tatum playing the 4 and Theis playing the 5.

      Re Simmons – I am not sure he watched enough Knicks to know just how horrible Payton was on both sides of the ball.

    5. About the Boston/Miami rankings, some days ago it was even worst, i saw the Pacers ahead of us. Maybe the preseason game showed this guys, that should know a lot more than us about basketball, that the Knicks are a tier above the Pacers. I know Thibs relied a lot on the starters, but when Carlisle was doing the same it didn’t look like a close match at all.

    6. I prefer tiers than rankings, so there’s the clear tier 1 (Bucks, Nets), then there’s two teams that i don’t know if they are above us, or if we have a chance to compete with them for the 3rd spot (it’s Philly, because of the Simmons-gate, and Atlanta). But even if they are tier 2 and we’re not. We’re definitely in the same tier as the teams pointed (Boston and Miami). So, worst case scenario, we’ll be fighting for the 5th spot with those two. I’ll be disappointed if we lose to them both and slip to 7th, or if some team in a tier below us has a breakout season and leapfrog us – the candidates are the Bulls (will they manage to hide both Lavine and DeRozan on defense?), Hornets, Pacers and maybe Washington (i have serious doubts about their roster construction, the east is a lot better and they’re only slightly better) or Toronto (i still don’t know if they’ll compete, or if they’ll try to pack FVV+Siakam and tank the season).

    7. DudeInKnicksTown: 44 wins is not reasonable.

      I think it is. My interval is between 43 to 48 wins, so 44 wins is acceptable to me.
      (and right now swift is stretching his fingers to answer me… LOL)

    8. Bill Simmons and Zach Lowe devoted a few minutes of the podcast to the Knicks — sounds like Simmons is really down on Kemba, especially his defense. Even going back to 2019-20 when Kemba was healthier, the Celts were about 5 points worse per 100 poss on defense with Kemba in terms of on/off (although they were +5/100poss on offense with him).

      kemba has his issues defensively — his size definitely gets him hunted at times — and there’s definitely a risk those issues compound given his knee and his age. he certainly won’t disrupt and ball hawk like payton, though he will also with 99.9% certainty make fewer ridiculous mistakes. lowry appropriately gets a lot of credit for his charge drawing as a guard, but kemba is almost as sneaky. he has been neck and neck with lowry at the top of that stat for years, and last year he actually led the entire nba in charges drawn per game. i think it’s a relevant risk, but unless he takes a big degradation from even last year, it won’t be like adding lillard or trae or sexton back there.

    9. we should have a poll about expected wins this year

      I am going to go out on a limb and predict a 50 win season.

      There’s too much depth on this team. Barring a truly catastrophic amount of injuries, there is enough depth that we will not fall apart. RJ will take a leap. Thibs will chase every regular season win like his life depends on it.

      I’m not sure what Vegas has for Miami but I will clearly take the under – they will take their chances on keeping everyone healthy for the playoffs.

      My guess as to the top 10 in the east:
      1. MIL
      2. BKN
      3. ATL
      4. NYK
      5. BOS
      6. PHI
      7. MIA
      8. IND
      9. CHA
      10. CHI

      that said – eastern conference is really good. I think Washington will be improved sans Westbrook and plus a bunch of other reasonable rotation players in KCP and Kuzma. I put Philly 6th because I do not think they will make a Simmons trade until Jan/Feb and if Embiid goes down / misses his usual 20+ games, they could be in trouble.

    10. I really don’t know what to make of Boston. I think Ainge was overall good at acquiring talent, but the resulting teams didn’t always fit together well. Kyrie was a case in point, lots of talent but somehow he didn’t mesh with the team. And there were chronic problems at center. They still have issues. Kanter and Williams are very different players. Is the team going to switch playing style depending on who is on the court? They do have a reasonable number of good players, but they just don’t seem scary. The good players get them good rankings in preseason predictions, but how well they play as a team will determine how well they live up to those predictions.

    11. By the way, in retrospect, Quickly had some good luck being picked by the Knicks last year. They needed point guard help so he got a lot of opportunity. He took advantage and established himself. Compare it to this year. Maybe Grimes or McBride are just as good this year as Quickly was last year, but if they are, that won’t get them playing time this year. What could happen for one of them is that he shines in practice and Knicks management thinks they could replace Quickly with him. If that’s the case, I could see the Knicks trading Quickly and not being wrong to do so.

    12. I agreed with the Hollinger analysis right up to the 44-38 conclusion. The analytical tone suggested we should be slightly improved from last year, then pegs our record as worse. I know a Knick-lover and Knick semi-hater can interpret the exact same analysis differently, but after one glorious pre-season game with our two rim protectors idle, I currently am sitting in the 47-48 win camp.

    13. We can be slightly improved from last year and still finish with a worse record. The mistake people make is thinking about what happened last year as The Truth about last year’s team rather than one of many things that might have happened with that team. It’s pretty obvious that on the whole a lot more things went right than wrong for the Knicks last season and there’s a lot more parallel universes where last year’s Knicks team finished worse than 41-31 than ones where we finished better than that. Even if the team is better than last year’s the odds are that our luck will not be as good.

    14. #optimism# #godswithus#

      Under normal Thibs conditions I see us finishing between 3rd to 6th seed.
      I’m ready for another great season and i only put Mil and Bkn clearly ahead of us.
      Healthy Knicks make east 2nd tier imo
      It’s about fighters mentality this 2nd Thibs season.

    15. This pandemic taught me one thing about the medical community I already knew about several other areas of interest. Some people in the medical community paraded around and employed as experts are wildly incompetent. Of course, I could be wrong about that. They may just be hired gun liars, but I think it’s the former.

    16. I think Boston and Miami are both better than us but I can see scenarios where we finish ahead of one or both of them.

      I agree with the point made about the 76ers. If Embiid misses more than occasional games, Simmons is not playing, and he’s not traded for another quality player, they could easily have a few bad stretches. They have a much better team than us, but not when they are missing their two best players for some stretches of the season.

    17. Look out, everyone — MD/PhD strat is here to set the record straight on COVID quacks! There’s gonna be a fuckin’ spreadsheet and everything!

    18. thenamestsam: there’s a lot more parallel universes where last year’s Knicks team finished worse than 41-31 than ones where we finished better than that.

      Yes and no. Yes, in that I agree with it. No, in that I am not sure that is the correct measurement. The Knicks improved during the season. DRose was acquired mid-season. I would suggest that a lot of the “lucky stuff” happened early last season, when we needed it more just to keep the .500 dream alive. I don’t think we will be 11-14 after 25 games like last year. We also probably won’t finish the season 17-8 like last year. But a like for like comparison of seasons ignores too many things.

    19. BernieEarnie: But a like for like comparison of seasons ignores too many things.

      Yeah I basically agree but that’s partially why “the team is better therefore the record should be better” is faulty logic in my opinion.

    20. We were 30-17 after the Feb 6 trade for Derrick Rose which is a 52 win pace.
      Rose actually didn’t even play in 11 games (23.4% of that sample) during that stretch – in those 11 games we went 5-6.

      So in games that Derrick Rose played for us, we were 25-11, which is a 57 win pace. 10 of the 11 games he missed were due to COVID, which presumably he won’t get again (or at least won’t miss as many games).

      I don’t think there’s anyone, even Knick haters, who thinks the team got worse from last year. So even baking in the assumption that Rose will miss 23.4% of the coming season, we were still on a 52 win pace with that team from last year. And we’re better / deeper with another year getting comfortable in the system.

    21. I note that strat has never offered a formal mea culpa for his post on the January 6th Capitol riot. Still awaiting the revision on that infamous post, guy.

    22. The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      I note that strat has never offered a formal mea culpa for his post on the January 6th Capitol riot. Still awaiting the revision on that infamous post, guy.

      There were dead people….on both sides!

    23. Strat’s like the AARP version of Holden Caulfield. Phonies everywhere he looks. Lamenting the loss of innocence of the days when Walter Cronkite’s word was good enough for everybody.

      Probably carries around a copy of “Little Shirley Beans” on 78.

    24. That damning Israeli study says that of the vaccinated 98.5% were covid free, 99.95% were kept out of the hospital, & 100% are still alive. Guess the spreadsheets missed that.

    25. There have been numerous studies that have shown that the vaunted natural Covid immunity wanes after a short period of time, and that reinfections are more common than breakthrough cases.

      Probably should ignore those though, because Aladdin.

    26. OK, my fingers are stretched!

      Yeah, I think people are wildly underestimating this team again and the reason I think that is because non-Knicks fans don’t realize how bad Elfrid Payton was last year. And he started all season. Even if Kemba is semi-washed and on a minutes restriction bc of his knee, he is still a massive upgrade over Elfrid and whatever downgrade we have on defense bc of Kemba does not erase how big of an upgrade on offense he will be for us. Not just for his own scoring but because he will set up his teammates so much better than Elf could and he’ll open up scoring for everyone else. Throw in the fact that we were REALLY good once we got D Rose and now we have him for a full season plus the addition of Fournier, who is also a massive upgrade over Bullocks on offense, and our offense should go from bottom third to top third. I honestly think those additions are that big of a difference.

      Then sprinkle in some natural improvement from the youngsters plus the continuity of having the majority of the team return and I just think we’re in for a really special season (and by special I mean 50 plus wins and winning at least one playoff series). I would not be surprised if we’re the 3rd seed this year.

    27. Also, connected to continuity is team chemistry. I think Kemba is a super well respected vet and leader and is also just so excited to be back in NYC. I think we got a super awesome team that all likes playing together and will all be there for each other. Its rah rah sports movie stuff but chemistry DOES matter and can make a difference. The kids seem hard working and eager to learn and the vets seem eager to lead and able to put aside their egos for the better of the team. The fact that Rose from day one said Kemba is the starter shows you what this team is going to be all about this year. Buckle up. Its going to be a really fun season. And we’re just getting started. We deserve this.

    28. One thing that was kind of eye opening about the first exhibition game was that the Knicks played a fast pace but had almost no turnovers. Only three for the game. Now, that’s not sustainable, but I do think it’s very possible that the Knicks will be a very low turnover team. We were 10th in offensive TOV% last year, and we’ve added a low turnover PG in Kemba, and will have a full season of Rose, also a low turnover PG. You’d also hope that Julius Randle will be responsible for less playmaking, and that we’d get fewer turnovers from him as well.

      Since we were already pretty good in offensive TOV%, it’s not that much of a stretch to think we could improve to elite in that department. Which would be nice.

    29. And one turnover was from deer in the headlights Sims who likely won’t get rotation minutes.
      —-

      I don’t understand BOS or MIA being put over us. BOS underperformed because of Kemba struggling, Schroder healthy was worse than injured Kemba. The Elf to Kemba upgrade is bigger than the Dragic to Lowry upgrade.

      Even if Randle regresses, Fournier & Kemba will take away shots from Randle so the offense won’t be as impacted as if we had Bullock & Elfrid. With last year’s backcourt Randle would take 30% of the shots even if he went back to spinning into triple teams 20 times a night.

    30. swiftandabundant: I would not be surprised if we’re the 3rd seed this year.

      I don’t doubt you anymore, and on my random port wine offers that i do from time to time, i promise that i’ll send you a very fine port wine if we get the 3rd seed. ;)

    31. Personally I think if half of this team takes the All-NBA leap we could beat the Nets in 3

    32. The defense is likely to regress but man the offense HAS to be so much better than last year. There are more shot creators and people to take a big shot (please less Randle hero-ball, only when a good play is called for it, which sadly most of the time there wasn’t). There’ll be an adjustment period for the new guys but most of last year’s team is back and the chemistry/knowledge of schemes should be there.

      45-50 win range if everyone stays somewhat healthy. Worst case we are in the play-in.

    33. I’m honestly excited to see RJ improve. It seems inevitable, which is why it’s also unlikely.

    34. The Honorable Cock Jowles: Personally I think if half of this team takes the All-NBA leap we could beat the Nets in 3

      …and the Brooklyn Nets will face the New York Knicks in the 2022 Eastern Conference Finals! ;D

    35. The plot twist is that known-loser Kevin Durant will unilaterally forfeit game 4 after losing the first three by an average of 69 PPG

    36. The “no vaccine truce” was never going to last (as predicted), but here’s the conclusion from one of JK’s links and “studies” yesterday:

      Study authors reached these less than ideal conclusions by analyzing reinfection and immunological data collected from close viral relatives of SARS-CoV-2 that cause “common colds.”

      They also included immunological datasets from both SARS-CoV-1 and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS). By leveraging evolutionary principles, researchers believe they were able to accurately model COVID-19 reinfection risk over time.

      Translation: “We didn’t test a thing about COVID-19.” Unpersuasive, to put it mildly.

    37. E, all merc’d out:
      The “no vaccine truce” was never going to last (as predicted), but here’s the conclusion from one of JK’s links and “studies” yesterday:

      Study authors reached these less than ideal conclusions by analyzing reinfection and immunological data collected from close viral relatives of SARS-CoV-2 that cause “common colds.”


      They also included immunological datasets from both SARS-CoV-1 and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS). By leveraging evolutionary principles, researchers believe they were able to accurately model COVID-19 reinfection risk over time.

      Translation:“We didn’t test a thing about COVID-19.”Unpersuasive, to put it mildly.

      E, please don’t confuse Sonny with facts. If he wants to believe that waning vaccination immunity is better than robust natural immunity then let him be. Everyone needs a false God now and then.

    38. The other main question we chewed on the other day was, “How much does the vaccine prevent the spread of Delta?” And Nature has just given us our answer. Unsurprisingly, that effect has been greatly overstated and was never much more than hope. It was never science and it was never data:

      The authors found that although the vaccines did offer some protection against infection and onward transmission, Delta dampened that effect. A person who was fully vaccinated and then had a ‘breakthrough’ Delta infection was almost twice as likely to pass on the virus as someone who was infected with Alpha. And that was on top of the higher risk of having a breakthrough infection caused by Delta than one caused by Alpha.

      Unfortunately, the vaccine’s beneficial effect on Delta transmission waned to almost negligible levels over time. In people infected 2 weeks after receiving the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca, both in the UK, the chance that an unvaccinated close contact would test positive was 57%, but 3 months later, that chance rose to 67%. The latter figure is on par with the likelihood that an unvaccinated person will spread the virus.

      Beyond negligible levels, if even that, the vaccines are not stopping the spread of Delta. The vaccines are still, generally speaking, awesome and essentially everyone should protect themselves by getting at least the first round. I’m very glad I did. But those of us who got the vaccine really didn’t do much of anything to protect the community. I find that conclusion unfortunate and I wish it was otherwise. But that’s the reality.

    39. E, please don’t confuse Sonny with facts. If he wants to believe that waning vaccination immunity is better than robust natural immunity then let him be. Everyone needs a false God now and then.

      I’m saying I don’t know how good “robust” natural immunity is. And neither you do. You just have an overwhelming sense of confirmation bias, and you only accept the information that fits in with the thing that you already believe. Everybody can see it so stop embarrassing yourself.

    40. Given the Nature study and the fact that the vaccinated are far more likely to put themselves around people when they’re carrying, because they don’t have symptoms, it’s now virtually certain that the vaccinated as a group have spread COVID more than the unvaccinated as a group.

    41. the fact vaccinated are far more likely to put themselves around people when they’re carrying

      How the fuck is this a fact?

      I live in Los Angeles, we have pretty much universal masking here and you’re treated like a fucking pariah if you don’t wear a mask indoors. It’s wonderful. We also have a high vax rate. Despite having a diverse population, and being the most populated county in the United States, our Covid transmission rate is very low. We’ve had peaks here but we’ve handled Delta far, far better than most places.

      People who have asymptomatic or presymptomatic Covid here ARE LIKELY TO BE WEARING MASKS AND DISTANCING because people just do that shit all the time to begin with. Go to, I dunno, Idaho and South Dakota, and nobody’s vaccinated, nobody’s wearing masks, and everybody’s spewing delta variant into the air like human aerosol cans. Places that have bought into Covid mitigation strategies like vaccinations and masking are doing a hell of a lot better right now than states run by Ron DeSantis and Kristi Noem. The numbers don’t lie. Freedum doe!

      It does seem like some of the vaccines lose efficacy over time, which is why my family will be getting boosters when available. If I have to get a booster every six months until Delta peters out, and that restores my immunity to an acceptable degree, no fucking problemo. Sign me up for that shit any time. I’m not one of these chucklefucks that thinks everything is a conspiracy and Big Pharma is trying to give me elephantitis of the nuts.

    42. Also in the 48-50 win camp. Depth will allow us to handle the grind of the season and our options on offense give us firepower to hang with any team on most nights.

    43. E, all merc’d out: Given the Nature study and the fact that the vaccinated are far more likely to put themselves around people when they’re carrying, because they don’t have symptoms, it’s now virtually certain that the vaccinated as a group have spread COVID more than the unvaccinated as a group.

      This is undoubtedly one of the dumbest things that has ever been written. Sorry Strat. I am a little on board with the natural immunity thing possibly protecting against some variants better than vaccine immunity, but this one really goes off the deep end. This type of leaping to an unjustified conclusion is like saying, “I now know that 2+2 = 4, and therefore I am qualified to be a rocket scientist at SpaceX”.

    44. it’s now virtually certain that the vaccinated as a group have spread COVID more than the unvaccinated as a group

      Ahahhahahahahahahahajajja ok

    45. JK47: I’m saying I don’t know how good “robust” natural immunity is. And neither you do. You just have an overwhelming sense of confirmation bias, and you only accept the information that fits in with the thing that you already believe. Everybody can see it so stop embarrassing yourself.

      The one who constantly embarrasses himself is the little boy with the foul mouth who doesn’t know much of anything but thinks that he does.

    46. I saw my doctor at Memorial Sloan Kettering on Tuesday and he told me that breakthrough infections are increasing and everywhere. But, no, let’s just fire workers who have better natural immunity instead.

    47. In the hopes of moving on to other discussions… while naturally immunity typically offers better immunity than vaccines, that is not the case with Covid. Vaccines work better. This is widely known and can be easily researched. Natural immunity + vaccination, meaning if you’ve been vaccinated and have gotten Covid, offers the best protection.

      I am not an infectious disease doctor but I do have a public health background and do work deeply in Covid response.

    48. The one who constantly embarrasses himself is the little boy with the foul mouth who doesn’t know much of anything but thinks that he does.

      #IKnowYouAreButWhatAmI

      Moist burn, bro

    49. Thanks, KnicksfaninChitown, I’m also not a doc but have played around the periphery of epidemic and zoonotic disease outbreak research and even had a title with the word ‘health’ in it for a while (no, Jowles, not Health Club Janitor…) and you’ve nicely summed up my understanding.

      Now, how ’bout them Knicks?

    50. Beyond negligible levels, if even that, the vaccines are not stopping the spread of Delta. The vaccines are still, generally speaking, awesome and essentially everyone should protect themselves by getting at least the first round. I’m very glad I did. But those of us who got the vaccine really didn’t do much of anything to protect the community. I find that conclusion unfortunate and I wish it was otherwise. But that’s the reality.

      Other people have pointed out the other dumb stuff here, so I’ll just add that even if there was zero direct transmission prevention whatsoever, which is far from true, you’re still doing a ton for the community because you cannot transmit Covid if you do not have Covid.

      Somehow this point that a five year-old could understand is always lost on the soft anti-vax crowd.

      The natural immunity thing is so fucking tiresome. The gist of the data is it seems to offer some unclear level of protection, quite possibly wildly different amounts in different people. Does it sound wise to allow that to substitute for vaccines that are now perhaps the single most studied medical intervention on the god damn planet? Should people be showing bouncers at bars levels of fucking antibodies? Suck it up and get the damn shot.

    51. E has again failed to understand a scientific article. The study infers viral load only if infected. Vaccination still reduces rate of infection. The study still found that Pfizer reduced forward transmission (the other vaccine in the study did not). The best way to prevent transmission is to avoid infection in the first place, which vaccines still do.

      Natural immunity is still being justified by a single study lacking peer-review.

      Please stop making claims about research as if you understand the claims made in the research.

      I will now go back to ignoring E on this topic.

    52. So our only player we can mock this season is Knox, right?
      Idk…winning feels good but I’ll definitely miss the DSJ days….

    53. Whenever i read about natural immunity my mind automatically thinks of buffalo flocks

    54. Knew Your Nicks:
      So our only player we can mock this season is Knox, right?
      Idk…winning feels good but I’ll definitely miss the DSJ days….

      Depends on who takes Vildoza’s place. What’s former Bull Kirk Heinrich up to?

      Maybe we can dig up some CAA clients & Kentucky alumni

    55. First time I’ve ever felt this way, but I must admit it does seem like there’s a hesitancy in the media to discuss some of the possible optimistic-but-realistic outcomes for this team. ~44 wins is a perfectly fair prediction all things considered, but I haven’t see much of the kind of “if X, Y, and Z go right…” analysis most teams get on top of the baseline prediction. We definitely have a lot of Xs, Ys, and Zs.

      Just off the top of my head: Kemba is a season removed from starting the all-star game, Randle could continue to shoot pretty well from distance and up his low-hanging fruit, Barrett could have another leap in him, we have Rose for a full season, Mitch is a wildcard, and Fournier’s shot creation could open up more options for us offensively.

      Obviously, there are plenty of negative Xs, Ys, and Zs too but I feel like they’re being captured in the kinds of predictions we’re seeing.

      I haven’t quite done a deep dive yet, but with a gun to my head right now I’d say 47 wins.

    56. DSJ desperate flights in the air searching for a pass were Work of Art just like the “Mona Lisa Bargnani dunk attempt”.

    57. I like the depth of the 2021-2022 Knicks and obviously our coach is gonna grind for regular season wins. I think we win in the upper 40’s but I wouldn’t be shocked if we won 50. Of course health is going to play a large role but that’s true for every team in the NBA.

    58. Once more just like last year i believe that the Knicks are much less vulnerable to losing due to injuries cause their brand of bball aint starstudded but Thibscentered teamball.
      Having your best players healthy is ideal but missing a few won’t devastate this team imo.
      It’s built under Spartan War Machine standards.
      Big15

    59. Early Bird: The best way to prevent transmission is to avoid infection in the first place, which vaccines still do.

      That wanes dramatically and quickly, too. There’s a three-month window where you’ve done something seriously good for the community. Three months isn’t very long, though.

    60. Knew Your Nicks: DSJ desperate flights in the air searching for a pass were Work of Art just like the “Mona Lisa Bargnani dunk attempt”.

      Don’t forget Noah’s airball FTs. Oh the good times!

    61. Knew Your Nicks: Once more just like last year i believe that the Knicks are much less vulnerable to losing due to injuries cause their brand of bball aint starstudded but Thibscentered teamball.
      Having your best players healthy is ideal but missing a few won’t devastate this team imo.
      It’s built under Spartan War Machine standards.
      Big15

      I fully expect Deuce & IQ to be better PGs this year than Elf was last year (if for no other reason than both their shooting & Deuce’s defense). Of course, I’d also have taken Vildoza with a broken ankle over Payton.

      Worst case scenario is Fournier, Kemba, and Rose all missing time together. And who wouldn’t want to see Grimes & McBride get extended run with RJ & Obi anyways?

    62. #Don’t forget Noah’s airball FTs. Oh the good times!#

      A Knicks Hall of Shame and Fun would be a place I’d gladly visit!

    63. #I’d also have taken Vildoza with a broken ankle over Payton#

      I’d taken any tourist from Vildoza’s flight to NY over Payton! ;-p

      And start him immediately during last year’s playoffs! (Alan’s dream):-p

    64. Weeks after E tried to dismiss that 10 worst states for cases, hospitalization and death rates per 100,000 are all conservative states with anti-vax/anti-mask politicians and low % of fully vaxxed adults, the trend still holds firm! Rock solid! As to Dude, one would have thought that with no mandates or shutdowns, folks would be naturally immune like a mother fucker in those red states by now. Yet they’re dying in droves. Every day. Nonstop.

      #theearthisflat

    65. Z-man: Weeks after E tried to dismiss that 10 worst states for cases, hospitalization and death rates per 100,000 are all conservative states with anti-vax/anti-mask politicians and low % of fully vaxxed adults, the trend still holds firm!

      No hay banda.

    66. Maybe we should give the 15th spot to the Invisible Sixth Man. Last year he helped us a lot.

    67. Yawn.

      This is a boring thread.

      I kind of wish DudeInKnickTown would say what I imagine he’s been thinking: that Vildoza was waived because of his natural immunities. At least his posts would be somewhat knicks related.

      (I kid, Dudes. I know you are going through a tough time. Stay strong, and keep fighting the good fight!)

    68. I may have missed the discussion in skipping over the vaccination annihilation of this thread, but, man, the NBA really needs to pay its scrubs better. That health insurance scam the [incompetent federal government] uncovered is just sad.

    69. The scrubs in question need to maybe just stop committing fraud. Several of those guys made millions. It’s a crime of opportunity, not pure desperation.

    70. When I think of this team I think depth, chemistry, youth, experience and great coaching. I have not been this excited about the Knicks for a very long time. You all brought up great points this thread and I sense that many of you said are holding back, even when you say 50 wins. Vegas has them at 41.5 wins. I would take the over if it was 45. I do not see this as a .500 team. This team will be .500 against 2nd round playoff teams. And unlike Knick teams before, Thibs will not let this team relent against the doormats of the NBA.

    71. I’m also not a doc but have played around the periphery of epidemic and zoonotic disease outbreak research

      coolest post ever :)

    72. it’s now virtually certain that the vaccinated as a group have spread COVID more than the unvaccinated as a group.

      jeez louise E, I hope you do law better than logic…

    73. Yawn.

      This is a boring thread.

      Not a cloud showed out in the sky that very night in Pitch Black City
      I was so damned scared, it was dark, it was so dim, it was a shame
      Just then a man walked up to me and said: “Didn’t I see you here before?”
      The lights were low and the party was so dull, just not good enough

    74. If I wanted to hear from people with stupid covid takes I would log in to some random social justice zoom with Kai instead of this stupid (wonderful) website.

    75. this will get lost in the changeover to the 10/8 thread, but in case any of you haven’t heard it yet, I highly suggest today’s KFS podcast with the one and only JVG. Macri really does a nice job. Those 90s Knicks team still bring me those misty-eyes when I think about them. I still remember being at Park Ave Country Club (sports bar) for that suspension game vs the Heat and whole place just going crazy. I was at the JVG clutching onto Mourning’s ankle like a rabid Pomeranian game. It was just different then. (funny thing – I was in section 314 in the old pre-renovated MSG, far away enough that literally I had no idea what was going on during that melee until after I left and saw it on Sportscenter – couldn’t see because of the distance and because there were like 15 super tall people surrounding Zo / LJ /JVG blocking the view).

      (as an aside – Lowe/Simmons did talk about rivalries and how they’ve all faded in this new era of constant player movement and shorter contracts. There really are no more Knicks/Pacers/Heat/Bulls rivalries anymore — have to wonder whether that is part of the declining ratings)

    76. geo: jeez louise E, I hope you do law better than logic…

      There’s a place for logic and a place for non-logic; this is a place for logic and what I wrote was arrived at through logic. It’s entirely true and anyone who wants to put the effort into thinking it through would come to the same conclusion. There’s no obligation to go through that thinking process, of course; we can all choose how to spend our time. No need to belabor it at this point.

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