Knicks Morning News (2021.10.06)

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  • Strong debuts for new backcourts in New York and Chicago – Associated Press
    [apnews.com] — Tuesday, October 5, 2021 11:35:46 PM

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  • Highlights: Knicks season getting started, preseason opener at MSG – News 12 Bronx
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  • Report: Brooklyn Nets still unclear on Kyrie Irving’s vaccine intentions – NBA.com
    [www.nba.com] — Tuesday, October 5, 2021 10:33:32 PM

    Report: Brooklyn Nets still unclear on Kyrie Irving’s vaccine intentions  NBA.com

  • NY Knicks 125, Indiana 104 | National News | normantranscript.com – Norman Transcript
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    [www.normantranscript.com] — Tuesday, October 5, 2021 10:16:27 PM

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  • Knicks 125, Pacers 104: Scenes from a (preseason) offensive clinic – Posting and Toasting
    [www.postingandtoasting.com] — Tuesday, October 5, 2021 10:02:06 PM

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  • N.Y. Knicks 125, Indiana 104 – CT Post
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  • Game Preview: Pacers at Knicks (Preseason) – Pacers.com
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  • What Knicks’ decision on Mitchell Robinson means for future – ClutchPoints
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  • NBA Hall Of Famer Earl Monroe Launching Historic New Renaissance Basketball School In New York City – Forbes
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  • MSG Networks Announces 2021-22 New York Knicks Telecast Schedule – MSG Networks
    [www.msgnetworks.com] — Tuesday, October 5, 2021 10:09:46 AM

    MSG Networks Announces 2021-22 New York Knicks Telecast Schedule  MSG Networks

  • Hot Take? This Former NBA Star For The New York Knicks Had High Praise For Dallas Mavs’ Luka Doncic – Sports Illustrated
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    1. [Ported over from end of last thread]

      Frank, I think a lot of analysts and bettors are looking at last year’s team as a case of a bunch of guys having career years that they will not duplicate. Whereas many of us are looking at Kemba and Fournier as cures to a lot of what ailed last year’s incredibly stagnant, Randle-heroball-reliant offense, and also recognizing that we have a bunch of young players capable of improvement.

      We’ll see who was right, and obviously health is a huge factor. But all of last night’s highlights made me very pleased. Especially after that punctured balloon of a Yankee game.

    2. Also curious about overall impressions of Sims. He had some nice highlights, but the game thread last night suggested he was forever out of position on defense.

    3. Well, wasn’t able to catch the game last night but safe to say New York’s best run team will have my full attention going forward (the Nets are a national barnstorming team that happen to play in Brooklyn a lot).

      Based on the box score, Gibson kid looks promising.

    4. Also curious about overall impressions of Sims. He had some nice highlights, but the game thread last night suggested he was forever out of position on defense.

      He was. He jumps like a grasshopper but he’s (very) often out of position or a second too late.
      But Taj will give him enough lessons…

    5. I will say, btw, that it’s remarkable how useful Taj still is after all these years. He easily has the most well-rounded offensive game of our centers, even if he’s not nearly the shot blocking threat of Noel or Mitch. And he was just there on the street last year until we decided to bring him back. It just feels reassuring when he’s on the court. Is he playing better now than when we were paying him $10 million in his first year, or is it just that the team is both better and better-constructed, thus allowing him to do his thing more easily?

    6. Yes it’s only one game, but a few things struck me about our offense last night (if memory serves).

      IQ had seven assists and at least a couple more that should have been. He was looking for and finding guys at (or cutting to) the rim the whole game (so Nerlens better learn how to catch). That’s a new piece for us.

      In one sequence Randle and Fournier used simple passes back and forth several times, each testing the defense. It ended with a double team on Randle and an open three from Fournier. If they can do that consistently — and it looked purposeful. That’s a new piece for us.

      Taj made a three pointer and shot two (!). These were designed for him and I’ll bet they are designed for whichever of our four (!) bigs are on the floor. That’s a new piece for us (so Nerlens and Mitch better learn how to shoot).

      Sims was out of position on D, yes, but he looked hungry and comfortable attacking the rim. He also looked like he could be usefully mean once he gains some confidence.

      Also RE: Sims, I liked that guys were trying to find him a lot, even though he’s a rookie. To me that means 1) there’s selfless camaraderie on the team and 2) the plan is to run our sets no matter the personnel. I like both developments.

    7. Also RE: Sims, I liked that guys were trying to find him a lot, even though he’s a rookie. To me that means 1) there’s selfless camaraderie on the team and 2) the plan is to run our sets no matter the personnel. I like both developments.

      This is a thing about Thibs that can be very good or very frustrating. He has his system and his rotation, and one of the reasons he refused to take Elf out of the starting lineup was that he didn’t want to mess with the parts of the rotation that weren’t working, and didn’t trust the alternative options (which, to be fair, was pretty much Frank by the end of the season) to start in Payton’s place. And it makes him less likely to experiment with small ball lineups and other unconventional groupings. But at the same time, it means that everybody knows their role, knows the system, and it’s a bit of plug and play, so that we don’t have to start changing things around radically if, say, Fournier misses a few games and Grimes fills in for him. The players along the depth chart don’t all have identical skillsets, but it allows them focus on what they’ll be expected to do. Makes preparation a lot easier.

    8. It’s only one pre season game, but I was less enthusiastic about what I saw than everyone else.

      It’s nice to have 4 guys on the court that can shoot and score in a variety of ways, but I thought the defense looked bad both inside and outside except for a few short stretches. When Nerlens is back, that should help, but I believe defense wins close games. It’s not like we have one of the handful of super elite scorers in the league that can take over. We are still going to have to grind some tough wins and get big stops. We may wind up with a middling offense, middling defense, and some tough losses that we could have grinded out last year.

      Also, the hope was that with Kemba and Fournier on the court Randle would get easier shots. I didn’t see much of that either. He still took quite a few off balance and other difficult sots. Those other guys reduced Randle’s load, but they didn’t really make it a lot easier on him. At least he wasn’t driving into brick walls with a crazy spin shots. We’ll see how that develops over time.

    9. I think a big part of the preseason skepticism that the Knicks will be able duplicate last season’s performance is how lucky we were with injuries compared to the rest of the league.

      However, the only player that we really can’t afford to lose for an extended stretch would be Randle (maybe RJ too?) We’re deep at 2 key positions – PG and center – and if Fournier goes down, Burks isn’t a bad fill in.

      I’m taking the over.

    10. However, the only player that we really can’t afford to lose for an extended stretch would be Randle (maybe RJ too?)

      I dunno, d-mar. Those Obi spin moves and such are very tantalizing. Whereas we don’t at the moment have another Swiss army knife player to fill in for RJ in his absence. (Though maybe Grimes could eventually turn out to be a poor man’s version of that?)

    11. It’s only one pre season game, but I was less enthusiastic about what I saw than everyone else.

      It’s nice to have 4 guys on the court that can shoot and score in a variety of ways, but I thought the defense looked bad both inside and outside except for a few short stretches.

      Really the whole theory of this being a good defensive team is built around only two things – Thibs, and the quality of our Cs on defense. This is not really a good defensive roster outside of the C position, we’ve got mostly middling defenders on the wing and pretty poor defenders for the most part in the backcourt. We’re going to play two true bigs 100% of the time and that helps but if our Cs are not excellent on defense we’re going to have a problem and so it’s not too surprising to me that we’re a little shaky on that end in a game without either Mitch or Noel.

    12. Alan: it means that everybody knows their role, knows the system, and it’s a bit of plug and play, so that we don’t have to start changing things around radically if, say, Fournier misses a few games and Grimes fills in for him. The players along the depth chart don’t all have identical skillsets, but it allows them focus on what they’ll be expected to do. Makes preparation a lot easier.

      Totally agree with your above. Generally, I do like the idea of a clear system that has everyone in the whole “supply chain” of the franchise (even scouts, etc) knowing what we’re doing. I think the better teams have this, and it sustains quality over multiple seasons. Obv that was Phil’s plan and I liked that impulse even though his execution was batshit crazy.

      What I don’t know today is whether a Thibs system even exists (on offense at least). He seems great with the effort part and the selfless psychology of “we’re a team” but his lack of imagination on offense was really frustrating last year and (I think) led directly to Randle’s implosion in the playoffs.

      Since we now have more guys who can actually catch and shoot the ball, I’m curious to see what Thibs can draw up.

      EDIT: PS — Thibs doesn’t have to invent some new-fangled system with a capital S at all. In fact, it’s prolly better if he doesn’t. Rather, we need two or three more consistent “bread and butter” plays that our guys can look for with confidence.

    13. Deeefense:

      I believe defense wins close games.It’s not like we have one of the handful of super elite scorers in the league that can take over.We are still going to have to grind some tough wins and get big stops.We may wind up with a middling offense, middling defense, and some tough losses that we could have grinded out last year.

      Also, the hope was that with Kemba and Fournier on the court Randle would get easier shots.I didn’t see much of that either. He still took quite a few off balance and other difficult sots.Those other guys reduced Randle’s load, but they didn’t really make it a lot easier on him. At least he wasn’t driving into brick walls with a crazy spin shots. We’ll see how that develops over time.

      I see both points, with some nuances.

      Defense is a big question mark but we need to see it when Noel and Robinson are back,
      yesterday there was no intimidation whatsoever with Taj (not a shotblocker) and Jericho (a leaper but always out of position).

      It took a year for Randle to understand how to be the number one option,
      I think he needs time to adjust to be the 1-A in an offense with 1-B, 1-C options,
      learn to read missmatch better and bowl over smaller defender and so on.
      Maybe he’ll get there, maybe not, we’ll see.

      I totally agree, defense win close games, but not having to constantly count on Randle hero ball in the clutch can be a very positive thing.

      I think your doubts are understandable and shared by many, time will tell, let’s hope for the better (and brace for the worst, we’re Knicks fan).

    14. Sims has the size and athleticism to play, he’s just going to have to learn consistency and Thibs defense. Certainly worth a shot.

      If I’m grading last night everyone gets an A except Kevin.

    15. Yeah, it felt like Sims got through his early career on D by being big (and very athletic). He really didn’t seem to have a clue in terms of switches, or who to guard when, or where he should be at any particular moment. But he’s super young and this was the first preseason game for a rookie. We saw this with Obi a bit and he had even more experience. It’s a learning curve and Thibs is the guy to get Sims straight. It’ll be interesting to watch him develop. Unless he’s a lazy idiot, which I haven’t picked up.

      My computer decided to shut down with about 2 minutes left in the game — did Grimes or Deuce do anything at the end there to deserve DRed’s A’s?

    16. The passion that goes into the dissection is awesome, but one NBA preseason game really doesn’t mean anything. And since the thread has become a bit inter-sport, the comment is necessarily incomplete without noting the following:

      Joey Gallo, playoff cleanup hitter. LOLOL.

    17. Agreed about Randle still relying on his difficult contested mid range jumpers. There will be a bit of an adjustment phase as he got a few wide open 3’s off Kembas penetration but couldnt make the shot. On the defensive side we are basically relying on Mitch and Noel being the best rim protection duo in the league to carry us.

    18. kevin5318: There will be a bit of an adjustment phase as he got a few wide open 3’s off Kembas penetration but couldnt make the shot.

      –yes, it remains to be seen what Randle’s 3% will be in full stadiums this year. fingers crossed.

    19. As a Yankees fan this was a very frustrating season,
      they have a lot of house cleaning to do,
      starting with Boone and some really overrated players (yes Gleyber, I’m looking at you).

    20. This Yankees season was so frustrating and bizarre it’s hard to separate my visceral reactions from my reasonably informed opinions on what should change. Some scattered thoughts:

      -Probably untenable for Boone to stay at this point. I don’t feel particularly strongly about him. There were definitely some lineup and bullpen decisions I didn’t like but overall I don’t think he’s one of the few managers who makes much of a difference in a team’s record. Whatever.

      -If we fire Cashman, we’ll regret it. I don’t know how much blame to ascribe to him for a bunch of players in their nominal primes simply not playing as well as they have in the recent past, but the answer is not “all of the blame.” In many ways, his classic “who the hell is that guy” moves have actually salvaged this team (e.g. Voit, Holmes, Peralta, Luetge).

      -Speaking of players in their primes declining out of nowhere, I’d like to know what the development coaches are doing about this. I’ve never seen anything quite like Gary Sanchez’ career arc. What gives? What happened to Urshela? Gleyber?

      -LeMahieu sadly looked absolutely cooked this season. Hopefully it was largely because of the hernia but his starting spot shouldn’t be guaranteed.

      -Gleyber’s second-half bought him another year assuming we don’t make a major signing, but I also wouldn’t let him get in the way of one.

      -For all of the griping, the pitching this year was actually really good. I think the bullpen broke down to some extent towards the end of the year because we were in so many close games, so improving the offense would theoretically help the pitching too. Cole and Monty are locks for next year’s rotation with Severino, Taillon, and Cortes being strong contenders to round out the rotation. Still, could always use more pitching.

      -All of my little suggestions are academic exercises because Hal Steinbrenner does not care much about this team.

    21. Mavs on NBA TV tonight. I hope I get to see a few minutes of Frank and KP on the court together with some Bullock and THJ on the side.

    22. As fun as last night’s preseason game was it’s not clear if the Knicks were awesome or the Pacers are just slower to adjust to Carlisle’s system.

      Most NBA teams are sloppy early in the preseason, but kudos to Thibs because the Knicks weren’t except for Sims’ positioning. Knicks had 3 TOs which is excellent even if they were in mid-season form. Being polished early will get us a few more early season wins, but other teams will catch up a few months in.

    23. My favorite plays:
      1. Obi going coast to coast
      2. RJ hitting a floater
      3. IQ just generally looking more like a PG

    24. The Yankees ran out Ushela, Gardner, Velazquez, Torres, and Higashioka in a playoff game. And Cole has looked like a wounded bird for a month. Not sure why people are surprised they didn’t win.

      Cashman is a great gm and they still have a lot of money to spend. It’s going to be ok.

      “Really the whole theory of this being a good defensive team is built around only two things – Thibs, and the quality of our Cs on defense.”

      Yeah, this is right. I don’t put much stock in RJ and Randle being great defenders yet.

      It’s preseason. It’s fun to chop it up but we won’t know anything for a while.

      I think the one thing I did takeaway from it was that IQ genuinely seemed to have improved his handle. Which Frank wasn’t able to do in three years. Don’t know why that is but good for him.

    25. i agree iq’s handled seemed a bit better. obi’s too, albeit from a low level. the initial right-left crossover on his big spin move was actually really sweet. still an open question whether randle will be able to fully exploit the added firepower by getting better shots. he didn’t really get to the rim inside, save for one missed lefty drive against sabnois with no double team help. on the other hand, he had no turnovers, and i do think if he restrains himself as he did we will at least see a turnover benefit with no teamwide playmaking hit.

      one thing’s for sure. if they are going to be running as many double drags, dhos and spain pnrs as they showed — and with mitch or taj in that makes a ton of sense — randle’s really going to have to improve his bullshit screening. there’s no reason he should be such a mediocre screener. he doesn’t need to be supertaj, but he could at least not move intentionally out of the way as he is a prone to do sometimes.

    26. Owen: “Really the whole theory of this being a good defensive team is built around only two things – Thibs, and the quality of our Cs on defense.”

      Yes and no. It’s all eye test, but outside of those two TJ 3s (and various drives with Sims in there), it felt like almost every shot was contested hard. Everyone expends the effort, it seems like most everyone knows where they should be and switches back and forth effectively. That’s definitely Thibs, but you also have to give the players credit for the effort and playing the system well. Even with ground-bound Taj in there, they’re a good defensive team. With our rim protectors, they’re a really good defensive team.

    27. People say we were lucky with injuries last year but our starting center, the anchor of our defense, missed the entire second half of the season.

      Also, Burks missed some games early on. Yeah he’s a bench player but he was really important for our bench last season especially before Rose showed up because our offense did not have a lot of options.

      I mean if you said X Team lost one of their starters for half of the season, you would think that would hurt them, right? It only got covered up because we got Derrick Rose.

      People are dismissing us because we’re the Knicks and we’ve sucked for 20 years and also we lost in the first round. So people think it was a fluke. But you had to be pretty pessimistic to think 21 year old RJ and IQ and Obi have reached their full potentials. And Fournier/Kemba is so clearly an upgrade over Bullocks and Elf its not even funny.

      I honestly am seriously considering placing some bets on The Knicks this year bc I think the odds are way out of whack with what we’re capable of doing. And the continuity of so many vets and the coaching staff is also a huge foundation for us to build on. We could be REALLY good this year.

    28. Owen: I think the one thing I did takeaway from it was that IQ genuinely seemed to have improved his handle.

      Whoever worked with Quick and Obi on ball handling should get some kudos- both those guys made real improvements- Obi had a legit crossover into a spin move that he never could have made last year. His handle still needs plenty of work but it’s tightened up quite a bit. I’m still not sure what his ceiling is- maybe he tops out as a poor man’s Blake Griffin (smaller and without the playmaking) but at least he looks like he can contribute off of the bench this season. Quick almost looks like a different player- unfortunately that player has been bricking threes (both in summer league and last night) but if he starts hitting threes again with the added playmaking he really would be a young Lou Williams who at least competes on defense- that’s a pretty good player.

    29. Now the outgoing head of the union is saying they have NOT agreed to let the NBA dock player pay for games missed due to not being vaccinated. We’ll see if they have any power to fight it (I have no idea what the CBA language is for such a thing), but this could only make the Kyrie situation messier.

      I’m also intrigued by the suggestions of Zach Lowe and others that the Nets might just decide he’s not worth indulging as a part-time player. Would they trade him to a market without these vaccination laws? Would he retire, as he has threatened to? Yeesh.

    30. Sims is a physical freak with a great attitude. You can see that he wants to get better and works his ass off. I love how he sets picks and boxes out. Quick feet! Give him time with Thibs and Taj and I believe we’ll have a diamond in the rough.

    31. I’d feel better about Sims if he was out of position because he was chasing blocks or trying to do too much. Unfortunately defensively he looked like Obi last year- really slow to react and pretty passive even when he managed to be in position. Seems like he should be a decent rebounder though. Offensively, he sets decent screens and obviously can jump through the roof so he should be fine if limited on that end. I just hope he can take criticism because Thibs is going to be all over him- he called two timeouts specifically to yell at him last night.

    32. The New York Knicks are signing guard Tyler Hall to a non-guaranteed deal, league sources told @hoopshype. Hall played with the Westchester Knicks for the past two seasons and played with the Knicks in Vegas Summer League.

      We had an open training camp roster spot after Vildoza got waived. I assume this is just to have another body for practices, but we still don’t know what the plan is for the second two-way deal.

    33. I liked the game a lot, and really the only 2 things i didn’t like were Thibs keeping the heavy load on starters for a preseason game and Knox. He looks like a good kid but he just doesn’t have it in him. Maybe send him to Dallas? LOL
      Besides that, it was only a preseason game and we’ll need much more games to confirm this, but it was very promising. And please, keep overanalyzing it because that’s what we do here. ;)
      One player still to comment here is Deuce, he entered the game late (thanks, Thibs!) but his style of defense looks really useful, like a pest in the same way as TJ McConnell and guys like that. I think this skill can be really useful to stop (or contain a little) the other team’s PG when we face some superstar PG and he is torching us.
      (speaking of overanalysis, i saw a lot in just 6 minutes of Deuce, didn’t i? LOL)

    34. [Jericho] But he’s super young and this was the first preseason game for a rookie. We saw this with Obi a bit and he had even more experience.

      Raven, not trying to pick on you, i swear. It’s just that i don’t like the image people have of Obi, he was only 22yo when he played his first NBA game. Old is Duarte, he is 24yo.

      And about Obi vs Jericho:
      – Obi had his first preseason game Dec 12, 2020 against Detroit, with the age 22y279d, after 2 years in college for 46 starts in 64 games;
      – Jericho had his first preseason game Oct 5, 2021 against Indiana, with the age 22y350d, after 4 years in college for 77 starts in 119 games;

    35. Kemba, so far, seems healthy, like he is moving well. There’s no guarantee that’s gonna hold up very well, but at least he’s starting at a good baseline. Remember even a hobbled Kemba was a 1.8 BPM player last year. He’s a legit difference maker if he can stay on the floor.

      The Knicks also played at a noticeably faster pace, and didn’t turn the ball over. This offense could be pretty good. I don’t see a lot of holes in it.

    36. Does anyone know if Kyrie has ever actually tested positive for Covid?

      I know he missed some time for violating Covid protocols, but I can’t recall reading that he ever actually had Covid. Cases like that Jonathon Isaac are at least debatable. But if you never had Covid and you still don’t want to get vaccinated it’s a lot tougher to support in any way.

    37. 60 wins is probably too optimistic even for me. But I think matching the greatest Knicks team of the 21st century, the 54 win team, is not out of the question. There are a lot of “ifs” but IF Kemba/Rose hold up and IF Randle replicates his season last year and IF RJ/OBI/IQ take a step foward (and IF Mitch is healthy) we could be REALLY REALLY good. That’s a lot of IF’s but the IF’s don’t seem so far-fetched as back in the day when I was saying stuff like “If Jose Calderon has a bounce back season and If Dalembert can replicate what Chandler gave us.”

    38. Moderna vaccine halted for younger people in Sweden, Denmark, and Norway due to rare cases of myocarditis.

      via AP

      Sweden suspended the use of Moderna for those recipients under 30, Denmark said those under 18 won’t be offered the Swiss-made vaccine, and Norway urged those under 30 to get the Pfizer vaccine instead.

    39. Cyber, no picking-on experienced from this end. You have corrected and educated me. Thanks.

      I do stand by my statement that they both looked nervous and clueless to start; the first totally understandable, the second a bit surprising. Do they not teach defense in college? Was there a class conflict with electrical engineering or English lit?

    40. The best part of the Mets, Jets, Giants and Yankees soul-sucking seasons is that it’s going to put the Knicks front and center in NY again. Watching Knicks game in the 90s was the bomb and I can’t wait for the city to be as excited as we are for the only good team in town.

      (I concur with TNFH: the Nets are national team.)

    41. Agreed Hubert. All I want to hear is the Garden rocking like it did in my youth. They won’t be as good as those teams but it still is going to be loud.

    42. Deeefense:
      Moderna vaccine halted for younger people in Sweden,Denmark, and Norway due to rare cases of myocarditis.

      via AP

      Reiterating what I said in the last discussion of this, one can certainly argue for the EUA in 1Q21 given all the circumstances, but I trust my FDA and entirely approve of the “safe and effective” standard and the thorough testing drugs have to go through to get approved for mass use in the US. At some point, again reiterating, the lack of FDA approval of Moderna and the boosters starts to matter.

      With the Scandanavian action and the statements accompanying it, it’s fair to say that we’ve now officially reached that point.

    43. Owen:
      Agreed Hubert. All I want to hear is the Garden rocking like it did in my youth. They won’t be as good as those teams but it still is going to be loud.

      The Garden in the three playoff games was unbelievably loud.

    44. It was loud but it wasn’t the same thing. Knicks fans aren’t seasoned like we were back then.

    45. Raven: I do stand by my statement that they both looked nervous and clueless to start; the first totally understandable, the second a bit surprising. Do they not teach defense in college?

      Agreed. And now that i think about it, i didn’t notice Obi on defense last night, which might be a good thing. I liked a lot Jericho’s demeanor, he looked like a man on a mission, not overly enthusiastic when he did good things, and not overly upset when he had those defensive lapses, just focused. I think he has potential, and maybe he’ll make the 15-man roster if the other teams don’t waive interesting players for us to sign. Either way, he’ll be here all year developing, and hopefully he’ll get a lot better.

    46. maybe he’ll make the 15-man roster if the other teams don’t waive interesting players for us to sign. Either way, he’ll be here all year developing, and hopefully he’ll get a lot better.

      Did they keep last year’s rules for two-way players? If so, we don’t need to add him to the 15-man.

    47. Owen: It was loud but it wasn’t the same thing. Knicks fans aren’t seasoned like we were back then.

      This was a lot of losing, i think the younger fans will need some more winning seasons to become… seasoned. ;)
      From 1988-89 to 2000-01 the Knicks had exactly ONE losing season and made the playoffs in all those seasons (13). Since then, and not counting last season, from 2001-02 to 2019-20 we had only THREE winning seasons and made the playoffs only 4 times, in 19 seasons. Oof.

    48. From the Kareem article in Jacobin:

      “Wiggins has since received the vaccine, though he made clear that it was under financial duress. Other than vague claims about “freedom,” he’s never offered rational support for his stance. Neither has Brooklyn Nets point guard Kyrie Irving, who continues to reject the expertise of prominent immunologists without reason, contributing to vaccine hesitancy among people in the Black community, who are dying at twice the rate of white people. His lack of regard for Black lives doesn’t deserve acceptance, nor does his lack of regard for the health and welfare of the NBA community.

      On the surface, it appears that Draymond and LeBron are arguing for the American ideal of individual freedom of choice. But they offer no arguments in support of it, nor do they define the limits of when one person’s choice is harmful to the community. They are merely shouting, “I’m for freedom.” We’re all for freedom, but not at the expense of others or if it damages the country. That’s why we mandate seat belts, motorcycle helmets, car insurance, and education for our children. For example, seat belt compliance is at 88 percent in the United States, but that 12 percent that doesn’t comply results in 47 percent of car accident fatalities (seventeen thousand) and costs US employers $5 billion a year, and those costs are passed on to us. They made the choice, but we survivors are left to deal with the grief and the price tag.”

      Kareem for (NBA) President!

    49. I’m pretty sure Kareem knows that motorcycle helmets don’t give you myocarditis. “Here, wear this helmet. Yeah, it may blow up your heart, but that’s way better than dying in a motorcycle crash!!!,” said not a single sane soul in the history of sane souls.

      And today Pfizer published a paper essentially saying their vaccine wanes in a mere five months. So either they’re talking their book and looking for a razor/razor blade marketing idea — entirely plausible — or their vaccine is kinda … well … lame. Neither is a promising deal.

      This is no longer spring 2021. Politicians have invested major political capital and Big Pharma senses a possible score. There will be those who are insistently and often aggressively late to the realization for tribal/political reasons, naturally, but we’ve left the Era of Trustworthiness.

    50. If you re not yet convinced about the positive influence of vaccination after watching the full vaccinated knicks having such a great performance yesterday what can I say?!

    51. Kyrie seems so unnecessary on a team that has Harden and Durant. They would be so much better if they could trade him for two players who are elite without the ball in their hands. If his debacle gives the Nets the excuse they need to do that without pissing off Durant, that would be great for them.

      Hell, if they got rid of Kyrie, I might even be able to enjoy watching Harden and Durant.

    52. Jericho is a slow-twitch player. Even though he can jump to the moon, he takes forever to load up and elevate, so that limits his ceiling as both a rim protector and offensive rebound guy. I don’t know if there’s a specific training program for that, is it neck-up or hips down? Anyway, Mitch and Nerlens can go up and down like 3 times before Sims gets off the ground…in fact, I don’t know if I’ve ever seen feet so heavy on a guy that athletic. He has to fix that to become a legit rotation player.

    53. I remember being opposed to building a team around Kyrie and Durant, mainly because of who Kyrie is. The more cerebral Celts fans hated his guts and couldn’t wait for him to get outta town. I want no part of a guy like that on a team that I root for, and not because of his wacky stands on issues, but because he’s a me-first whatever the cost guy.

    54. Call me a “born loser/masochist” type of fan but i prefer EwingTeamsLosingFinals 1trillion times more than SuperFriendsTeamsStrollingToChips.
      Especially when superstar friends have “dumb” personalities

    55. Jericho is a slow-twitch player. Even though he can jump to the moon, he takes forever to load up and elevate, so that limits his ceiling as both a rim protector and offensive rebound guy.

      Yeah I think this is pretty much right. It’s like he has latency built into his game, there’s like a couple of milliseconds of buffer before he can do anything.

    56. If Obi seems like he could use some sex and drugs and rock n roll to be more ShawnKempesque Sims should try some winter swimming to upgrade his reflexes!

    57. I’m not very active on this site, but I like to read it and appreciate a lot of posters here. That said, it’s become increasingly painful to have to skip the anti-vax posts that get sprinkled in. Seriously driving me (and I assume others) away. This would be an easy fix with a block button but alas. I suppose there’s nothing anyone can do. I was looking forward to enjoying a nice Knicks season with folks here, but the loud and asinine voices are too much of a detraction.

      Also, what a coincidence. Anti-vaxxers also have the worst basketball takes. Who would have thought.

      /rant

    58. There’s nothing I saw last night that doesn’t make me think this is going to be a team that will win around 50 wins, barring some major injuries. Thibs is one reason. The two headed pg monster of Walker and Rose is another. They give us 48 minutes of 2ish BPM. Those 2 really know how to run a team. Some of that will certainly rub off on Quickley and McBride over time. Am I the only one here who thinks Obi can play some 3. I sure hope he gets the chance. This team is really set up for a nice 4 or 5 year run!

      Good post Marechal.

    59. Knew Your Nicks:
      Call me a “born loser/masochist” type of fan but i prefer EwingTeamsLosingFinals 1trillion times more than SuperFriendsTeamsStrollingToChips.
      Especially when superstar friends have “dumb” personalities

      Same.

    60. Yeah, Imma continue to make the occasional factual post that touches on the issues of the day, particularly when they directly relate to things in the association. If the people who run the site want to Neptune me, they can feel free to. No hard feelings if they do.

    61. jared butler looks like even more of a steal at 40 than he did on draft night.

      kp moving a good bit better on defense

    62. As far as i know there are no antivaxxers in kb.
      Only a few vaxxed ones who act as antivaxxers to train our debate skills.
      Just like the 2nd unit acts as the opponent team in the workouts!

    63. This year might have the deepest rotations across the league maybe ever. So many teams have solid players from 1 thru 10. Even the bad teams aren’t all that scrubby.

    64. I’m excited for the preseason Knicks! Pumped to see how they look once our centers are back or give a small ball look some run. Even if that means Knox, why not, it’s preseason!

      Regarding myocarditis, the risk of myocarditis is higher from getting COVID than from getting the vaccine. And if you don’t get the vaccine you will eventually get COVID. So I don’t think myocarditis is a good reason not to get vaccinated, especially if you haven’t already had Covid.

      But I do think people are within their rights to not get vaccinated even if they don’t have a good reason not to do it. Of course workplaces, local, state, and federal governments can enact vaccine requirements that constrain those rights. And if people feel vaccine mandates are unjust, intrusive, or unconstitutional then they can try to take political action against the mandates.

      What I find ironic is that as vaccination rates rise more people support a mandate. But the time when a mandate would have been effective was when vaccination rates were low before the Covid wave spread through the south…

    65. Regarding myocarditis, the risk of myocarditis is higher from getting COVID than from getting the vaccine. And if you don’t get the vaccine you will eventually get COVID. So I don’t think myocarditis is a good reason not to get vaccinated, especially if you haven’t already had Covid.

      wHaT aBoUt AlAdDiN dOe

    66. Sonny, there are so.many breakthrough cases now that Aladdin is just a drop in the bucket. Open your eyes.

    67. Guys, i think Marechal is right. We all stated our opinions on the vaccines, and that made sense. So now, will people change if we endure this topic over and over again? I don’t think so. So why do it?

      As to being a matter of the day, you do like Alan did, E, which was to send stuff about Kyrie and his vaccination status without saying if he (Alan) is pro-vaxxer or anti-vaxxer. That looks quite easy, or at least Alan makes it look that way. :)

      But if you guys need a fight each day, and still want to talk about the vaccines, i have a suggestion for you all:
      1. don’t mix it in a post about basketball or other matters, if talking about vaccines please confine it to a dedicated post;
      2. start the posts about vaccines with a tag identifying it, like #covidvaccination for example;

      This way, Marechal, myself, and others not interested in re-litigating this specific matter each and every day, can skip the post and only spend time reading what we want to read… all the other posts! :P

      I thank you all in advance.

    68. It’ll never work, cyber, because there are some people here who won’t be able to resist throwing in a snide remark about Kyrie or some other anti-vaxxer or “anti-vaxxer.” They can’t help themselves.

      There’s simply no way to separate out politics and ethics from a situation where a 29-year-old extremely healthy man is losing the livelihood that’s based primarily on his body because of a government mandate to put a substance into his body. It’s an issue that’s inherently political and inherently ethical. Major governments suspended the Moderna vaccines for people in Kyrie’s exact age bracket because of the impacts on the recipients’ bodies. That did in fact happen. So either the topic is entirely off limits, or we all get to comment when it’s brought up.

    69. I am really having a hard time understanding why the national media is picking the Celtics and Heat over the Knicks in their “top 6” ranks. I maybe can understand the Celtics but the Heat? Jimmy Butler is one of the main targets of the new foul-drawing rules. Their main pickup is a 35.5 year old small PG who is a very good player but showed significant slippage all over the place in his statistical profile (career low steal%, negative DBPM, worst overall BPM since age 23 season, career low free throw rate, career low % of shots taken at the rim, has missed 17+ games in each of the last 3 seasons). And for all his ability to make teams better, Toronto was bad last year (he’s not the only reason of course).

      Re: the Celtics – they have a brand new rookie head coach who I’m sure is good but do we really know that? I was under the impression that Brad Stevens was a good coach, or at least that’s what all the “would you rather start your franchise with Brad Stevens or Lebron” narrative was telling me. Is changing to Udoka a net positive? They’re really relying on 97 year old Al Horford and 4th year player Robert Williams – a guy who has all the talent in the world but who has only logged 1656 minutes in his NBA career because he can’t stay off the injured list (and also has a foul problem much like Mitch).

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