Knicks Morning News (2021.10.05)

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  • NBA Rumors: This Knicks-Pelicans Trade Features Kevin Knox II – NBA Analysis Network
    [www.nbaanalysis.net] — Monday, October 4, 2021 9:12:14 PM

    NBA Rumors: This Knicks-Pelicans Trade Features Kevin Knox II  NBA Analysis Network

  • Kemba Walker’s debut only part of intriguing Knicks preseason opener – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Monday, October 4, 2021 9:01:00 PM

    Kemba Walker’s debut only part of intriguing Knicks preseason opener  New York Post

  • New York Knicks: 3 Things to watch for in preseason game 1 – Daily Knicks
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  • NBA: Hot Take? This Former NBA Star For The New York Knicks Had High Praise For Dallas Mavs’ Luka Doncic – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Monday, October 4, 2021 5:52:17 PM

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  • Lukas Classic Win Keeps Knicks Go on Top in NTRA Poll – BloodHorse.com
    [www.bloodhorse.com] — Monday, October 4, 2021 3:30:00 PM

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  • New York Knicks Waive Point Guard Luca Vildoza: Report – Heavy.com
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  • NY Knicks: 3 Free Agents NY can offer final training camp spot to – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Monday, October 4, 2021 2:00:00 PM

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  • This Knicks preseason will start so much different for Immanuel Quickley – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Monday, October 4, 2021 11:57:00 AM

    This Knicks preseason will start so much different for Immanuel Quickley  New York Post

  • What did Knicks players focus on during the offseason? – Posting and Toasting
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  • New York Knicks’ Kevin Knox Addresses His Trade Rumors – Heavy.com
    [heavy.com] — Monday, October 4, 2021 11:46:54 AM

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  • Sources: Nets’ Kyrie Irving could lose millions according to NBA, NBPA agreement on salary reduction for unvaccinated players – ESPN
    [www.espn.com] — Monday, October 4, 2021 11:04:11 AM

    Sources: Nets’ Kyrie Irving could lose millions according to NBA, NBPA agreement on salary reduction for unvaccinated players  ESPN

  • Knicks’ Kevin Knox on Trade Rumors: ‘I’m Just Worried About Getting in the Rotation’ – Bleacher Report
    [bleacherreport.com] — Monday, October 4, 2021 10:28:34 AM

    Knicks’ Kevin Knox on Trade Rumors: ‘I’m Just Worried About Getting in the Rotation’  Bleacher Report

  • NY Knicks: 3 Superstars The Team Would Love To One Day Acquire – Daily Knicks
    [dailyknicks.com] — Monday, October 4, 2021 10:00:00 AM

    NY Knicks: 3 Superstars The Team Would Love To One Day Acquire  Daily Knicks

  • Charles Oakley gives Tom Thibodeau ‘a lot of credit’ for pushing Knicks to playoffs last season – Yahoo Sports
    [sports.yahoo.com] — Monday, October 4, 2021 8:59:42 AM

    Charles Oakley gives Tom Thibodeau ‘a lot of credit’ for pushing Knicks to playoffs last season  Yahoo Sports

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    1. Even without the MSG/Xfinity problem, I’d be watching the Yankees tonight instead of the Knicks. But looking forward to seeing highlights and reading recaps. (Whither Farfa?) Will Thibs just play the regular rotation (with Taj stepping in for Mitch), or is he going to use preseason to experiment any with combinations (a Rose/Kemba backcourt, or a Randle/Obi frontcourt) and/or showcases for the youngsters?

      Anything y’all are particularly hoping to see in these fake games?

    2. Among other things, Facebook analyzes your kids’ faces to build consumer profiles that are used by marketers to target them with individualized content. Facebook knows when they are sad or angry or tired or bored and sells that information to (to you, anonymous) advertisers in mere seconds. You know, just normal things that normal companies do to children. Google is no better, too.

      You know it’s bad when I could copy a Jack Bauer post and post it as my own. Facebook is pure, unadulterated evil.

    3. Alan: or is he going to use preseason to experiment any with combinations (a Rose/Kemba backcourt, or a Randle/Obi frontcourt) and/or showcases for the youngsters?

      (As usual for me) I hope we see the kids out there as long as possible.

      In practice I assume some guys play better together based on their tendencies and even friendships. Is Thibs alert to that and will he experiment in games to test it? Or is he a man with a fixed plan? Coach always seems to me like the latter (cf Payton), but IDK.

      Go Yankees.

    4. Alan: Anything y’all are particularly hoping to see in these fake games?

      In the fake games i’m not expecting anything specific, just happy to have games again to check how the team and players are. Did they developed, did they regress, that type of thing. It’ll be cool to check the rookies against better competition, and to see how the new guys are meshing with the team. But it’s just a warm up, we’ll only know for sure when the regular season begins, so i understand not prioritizing the Knicks game, of course. I’ll watch it, but i only follow the NBA. ;)

    5. Alan:
      Even without the MSG/Xfinity problem, I’d be watching the Yankees tonight instead of the Knicks.

      Baseball is so damn slow you can watch both. Just flip over between pitches, you’ll end up watching half the Knicks game.

    6. As someone on the younger end on this blog (turning 29 this Friday!), I’ve never really gotten how/why people of my age cohort spend so much time on Facebook/Instagram. Twitter I understand a bit more, since it’s probably the most “interactive” of all the extant social media platforms, and consequently is the one where I’ve made a number of personal and professional connections from. But I’ve always spent far more time on forums than on other forms of social media, in part because I think the discourse standards are generally higher (and nothing is filtered by a reddit-style upvote system).

      In general I think social media can be an individual and societal value-add (it has been a value-add for me, all told, though I know plenty of people who would be better off without it). But contemporary social media is definitely not a societal value-add currently. Unfortunately, I don’t think any of the bad parts improve until the business model changes by putting stricter controls on data collection and data privacy, perhaps coupled with an opening of a market for users to get paid for the data that is harvested from them. In the US at least, neither of those things are on the horizon.

      As for the sports today, I’m just excited to watch Deuce, RJ, and a Yankees win!

    7. @NBADraftWass
      Best rookie preseason debuts Monday

      Trey Murphy: 21 points, 6 3PTM
      Bouknight: 20 on 7-12
      Bones: 19 on 8-13
      Primo: 17 on 8 shots
      Giddey: 18-7-3 on 8-12
      Barnes: 13-9-6-2-2
      Champagnie: 17-10-3-2
      Butler: 16 points
      Wiggins: 12 points in 7 min
      Banton: 6-5-4-1-2

      Not expecting these kinds of numbers out of Grimes or Deuce, given the state of our roster versus some of those. Grimes vs. Bones will be an interesting one to track over their careers. They’re not identical players, but they fill roughly the same spot, both had their draft position elevated by that pre-draft exhibition camp thing, and Hyland could have easily been our pick once we traded down into the mid-20s. Grimes seems like a more well rounded player on both ends, while Hyland is at the moment more versatile on offense.

    8. I am always interested to see who emerges from the preseason as the kid we all knew we should have drafted who we could have drafted and didn’t.

      Consensus sometimes firms up a month into the season in my experience.

    9. Woj says contract extension talks between the Suns and Ayton are at an impasse because they don’t want to give him the post-rookie max.

    10. Do we get any exclusive benefits for subscribing to the Knickerblogger’s patreon?

    11. I can understand Aston wanting the max, but giving that contract to a center would make me nervous

    12. Excited to see how Kemba looks havent heard much about him at all. Mitch I assume is gonna be out for awhile still?

    13. Facebook/Twitter/etc are even worse than the things people are rightly pointing out. Many of our new-age-ish mores and norms, including a number of woke-ish ones, have been put in place only because people spend so much of their time presenting their lives to strangers on the internet. So much of the expectations of how we’re supposed to think and treat each other arose only because of the need people have to present their thoughts and lives to strangers. (Before FB/Twitter, of course, these audiences of strangers didn’t exist, but for a very, very few people and those kind of audiences were typically put together for something like a play, a concert, a professional panel, etc. They weren’t really an audience of pure strangers and they certainly weren’t there for something like someone showing a picture of themselves at Machu Picchu or a picture of themselves drunk at the bar. Nor did the audiences at a showing of the Met Opera have at their fingertips the means to give running commentary on the bassoon player’s dress.)

    14. E, all merc’d out:
      Facebook/Twitter/etc are even worse than the things people are rightly pointing out.Many of our new-age-ish mores and norms, including a number of woke-ish ones, have been put in place only because people spend so much of their time presenting their lives to strangers on the internet.So much of the expectations of how we’re supposed to think and treat each other arose only because of the need people have to present their thoughts and lives to strangers.(Before FB/Twitter, of course, these audiences of strangers didn’t exist, but for a very, very few people and those kind of audiences were typically put together for something like a play, a concert, a professional panel, etc.They weren’t really an audience of pure strangers and they certainly weren’t there for something like someone showing a picture of themselves at Machu Picchu or a picture of themselves drunk at the bar.Nor did the audiences at a showing of the Met Opera have at their fingertips the means to give running commentary on the bassoon player’s dress.)

      This comment is a fever dream.

    15. Facebook is fine as a tool for reconnecting with people from your childhood, school, old jobs etc..

      Twitter is fine to create a consolidate information location by following people of special interest to you.

      Everything else about both makes them a cesspool.

    16. Owen:
      I am always interested to see who emerges from the preseason as the kid we all knew we should have drafted who we could have drafted and didn’t.

      Consensus sometimes firms up a month into the season in my experience.

      I’m not sure who it will be, but I’m pretty sure we incinerated a pick by not taking him. :-)

    17. If you’re Rose, would you put together a trade for Ayton? He’s still young and improving, but the numbers say you get at least as much from Mitch if he’s healthy (although Ayton has more potential on offense). But it’s not, ideally, a position where you max a player unless he’s an all-star starter.

    18. Ayton played really well on defense throughout the playoffs, but no. Our next big contract should be going to a point guard or a wing.

    19. Ayton might be an interesting analogue for RJ’s extension talks in a way? They’re both high lottery picks who were thought of as having significant star potential but whose teams got good more quickly than expected which resulted in both of them being slotted in more as role players so far in their careers. They’ve both shown they can be solid starters on good teams but in both cases I think it’s an open question what their upside looks like beyond that. The big difference is RJ plays on the wing which is always a position of need so it doesn’t feel quite as bad if he fails to develop whereas paying a decent C $35M a season is a potential disaster waiting to happen.

      Still if RJ has another season similar to last year or with a modest improvement it’ll be interesting to see how the Knicks play it next summer because I’m confident RJ is going to think he should be getting the max, particularly when both guys drafted ahead of him are shoo-ins for it.

    20. yeah, no way can you give ayton the max, because of the position he plays…he’s really developed nicely, but you probably have to cap him at around 24 million a year…

    21. Ayton seems like a prototypical third tier star. I like him though. But hard no on a max contract.

    22. Good Fred Katz piece on IQ’s attempts to expand his playmaking skills for season two. One small excerpt:

      “We know the things he does well,” Thibodeau said. “And when you look at our league now, I would say the definition of a point guard has changed. We see a lot more scoring point guards. We see pick-and-roll point guards. We see power point guards that get downhill and make plays. So, it’s play to your strengths and cover up your weaknesses.”

      Thibodeau points out the way Quickley studies film, describing the guard as if he’s Quentin Tarantino with a handle. Quickley goes back and watches practices, just to study what he did well and poorly. He has watched every single minute of each scrimmage the Knicks have played during training camp, he says.

      He spent the summer trying to pick up nuances from the competition, watching the Trail Blazers’ CJ McCollum, the Warriors’ Stephen Curry and other guards he admires. McCollum, specifically, is an appropriate subject, considering his style.

    23. @TommyBeer
      Nerlens Noel is listed as questionable (sore left knee) for tonight’s preseason opener vs. Indy.

      With Mitchell Robinson (foot) already ruled out, we could see plenty of Jericho Sims tonight.

      Also will be interesting to watch if Thibs experiments with Obi at 5 next to Randle.

    24. I’m with Tommy, btw, that Thibs might as well play a Randle/Toppin lineup tonight, at least for a bit. Our coach may be right that the combo just doesn’t work defensively, but what good is the preseason if you can’t experiment with wacky lineups just to be sure?

    25. Compliment or insult, you make the call….

      We probably agree on the bottomless evil known as the CCP, too. We just might not agree on, like, anything else.

    26. play a Randle/Toppin lineup tonight

      julius looks like he’s slimmed down a bunch since he’s got here…not sure he can defend against a center anymore, pretty sure obi can’t…

      i would like to see obi work some from the post though with him reading and either passing out or making some funky move to the basket…

      maybe try them both out there with taj or sims…

    27. 1. bones hyland is such a cool and unique player to watch. he kinda has a montgomery burns thing going with his triple threat posture. he’s a lot more comparable to quickley than mcbride, though he’s way better finishing inside, and can do it with either hand.

      2. i do get the jalen johnson eye test hype and the many good things he had going in summer, but i also think he’s gonna have to drastically remake his shot or he won’t shoot. the one thing that almost no shot can survive is a major fluidity break.

      3. ant looked even bigger and played surprisingly tough defense. his shot still looks kind of shitty, but the beast factor is getting out of hand here.

      4. josh giddey was whipping the ball cross court with both hands like he was summer league hezonja, except inbounds. pretty fun debut foe him. this tidbit was only available if you went to the thunder website to stream the game.

      5. barnes made some really nice passes and generally was as all over the court as you’d expect — more, in fact. suggs played well on D and had a great transition block on tatum but didn’t have a ton of playmaking success. franz wagner is not ready to guard tatum or brown.

      6. jordan poole appears to have the steph green light plus the steph gravity bomb so you should probably get him on your fantasy team.

      7. towns actually does look quicker in both ends sans 30 pounds.

    28. that is one big drawback on the mitch/nerlens tandem this season, you can’t play them outside the arc at all…it’s 4 on 5 then…the middle is less clogged having them moving around, mostly inside, trying to set screens…

      taj “at least” made some attempts from behind the arc, made a few (3 for 15), nerlens (0 for 3), mitch – does what he’s told (maybe 45% of the time) – has never attempted a shot beyond the great arc…

    29. It’s called parenting, isn’t that right? Be it playing on the street, on the neighbor’s basement, or in the internet, we just gotta be aware of what the kids are dealing with and try to help/mentor them.

      I’m still catching up on yesterday’s thread, so forgive me if has been said above. You’re underestimating the power of the algorithms to target kids and influence their behavior. No parent in the world can program a child better than our social media platforms. I believe it is incredibly reckless on our part to let them have access to our children. One day, I think we’ll look at this the same way we look at the time when kids were working in coal mines and factories.

    30. “E tan e epi tas”

      Renewed my subscription, got my chips and my cola and took an oath to not touch them for 4 more hrs and I’m ready for blood

    31. No parent in the world can program a child better than our social media platforms.

      the odds may be daunting, but you have to 100% commit to the power of parenting for your child…our dear web is becoming increasingly more aggressive in targeting individuals…

      part faith, part diligence, part cosmic fortune…

    32. KnickerBloggerPowerRankings:
      Do we get any exclusive benefits for subscribing to the Knickerblogger’s patreon?

      I believe becoming a KB patreon means you’re allowed to randomly add words and phrases to the spam filter and you can post gifs in comments.

    33. Hubert: I’m still catching up on yesterday’s thread, so forgive me if has been said above. You’re underestimating the power of the algorithms to target kids and influence their behavior. No parent in the world can program a child better than our social media platforms. I believe it is incredibly reckless on our part to let them have access to our children. One day, I think we’ll look at this the same way we look at the time when kids were working in coal mines and factories.

      They basically give people the ability (and incentive) to solicit affirmation from peers and strangers and for those peers and strangers to immediately react to the solicitation. Moreover, the solicitor is expected to curate their own solicitations, which of course generally turn on some kind of offering up of the way they look or the activities in which they are engaging. It’s basically taking the traditional, cliche-ish “Does this dress make me look fat?” asked only of a boyfriend or husband or maybe very close friend, and now having the question posed to peers and a bunch of strangers. Routinely. While in competition with other people asking the same thing who might receive “better” answers. That you can easily see and monitor.

      The potential trouble of and damage from that vehicle in the hands of teenagers is self-evident.

    34. “what kind of chips KYN…”

      Potato chips with barbecue flavour
      I’m going full regular season mode!

    35. Jack Bauer: The Honorable Cock Jowles: We probably agree on the bottomless evil known as the CCP, too. We just might not agree on, like, anything else.

      I’m sure there’s something, like maybe pizza or ice cream

      Decent people agree on 99% of stuff. Don’t let the 1% drag you down

    36. vincoug: I believe becoming a KB patreon means you’re allowed to randomly add words and phrases to the spam filter and you can post gifs in comments.

      For $5 a month I can support a worthy site AND remove all Frank talk?

      No one man should have all this power.

    37. Noel’s out tonight. “Just a little rest,” Thibs says. Taj was wearing the starters blue at the most recent practice, so I’d guess he starts, Sims gets some backup minutes, and hopefully at some point we get a small ball lineup for a few minutes.

    38. Oh, this is interesting:

      @NYPost_Berman
      Nerlens Noel won’t play tonight as he wants to look more at Jericho Sims/Taj Gibson. Says each preseason game one key guy will sit.

      Thibs the experimenter? This is wild!

    39. It may just be personal pre season jitters, but the more I think about this team and look around the league the less optimistic I become about the season. If Randle plays 40 minutes and goes 1-9 from 3 tonight and may start drinking early this season.

    40. It’s a 43-ish win team. Enough assets to maybe be in on a deal for a true superstar, but until then kind of trapped in the middle with a veteran-heavy squad.

      I was a bit shocked to see that RJ didn’t get even a single vote in the “breakout candidate” question in that GM poll. That seems … quite a bit off.

    41. It’s a 43-ish win team. Enough assets to maybe be in on a deal for a true superstar, but until then kind of trapped in the middle with a veteran-heavy squad.

      waiting for swift’s win pick, then i’ll just select a number in between…

    42. I believe becoming a KB patreon means you’re allowed to randomly add words and phrases to the spam filter and you can post gifs in comments.

      you’re like a marketing genius vincoug…sign me up for that…

    43. Biggest swing factors are Kembas health and RJ/Quickley/Mitch growth. Feeling a little skeptical on Mitchs growth at the moment.

      I think our depth will give us a few more wins than expected, could see around 48 wins

    44. We don’t look as sexy as other teams but if players become Thibmonks and if Thibs evolve a bit we re gonna go deeeeeep

    45. Not sure about anyone else, but this is the first time in a long time I have been actually excited for a pre-season game. Obviously not an important fixture, but keen to see what Thibs does with Deuce and Grimes look early.

      Feels like for the most part this off-season we have flown under the radar and it’s actually pretty nice not to be the team with shit going on ha ha

    46. Hubert: No parent in the world can program a child better than our social media platforms. I believe it is incredibly reckless on our part to let them have access to our children.

      Well, that’s what i did and my kid is shaping up to be a good and honorable man that will fill me with pride. Maybe i was lucky, maybe not, who knows?

    47. Bondy:

      Interesting answer by Thibodeau when asked about Toppin-Randle frontcourt:

      “Offensively you’re making up ground by having a smaller guy. And we can also do that with Kevin (Knox). …Kevin with Julius. It gives you more 3-point shooting, but you’re sacrificing some defense.”

    48. I may be the only guy from the Bronx who cares about this preseason game more than the baseball game…

    49. Alan: “Offensively you’re making up ground by having a smaller guy. And we can also do that with Kevin (Knox). …Kevin with Julius. It gives you more 3-point shooting, but you’re sacrificing some defense.”

      Honestly, I think that might be a better lineup with Knox. Gives Randle room to operate and another kick out option. Knox is a better shooter & perimeter attacker than Obi.

      I do want to see Obi get chances in the PnR, but Randle would be an even better option.

    50. RJ Barrett & Julius Randle presents: Adventures at the rim.

      Thank god it’s preseason…

      And the difference between Kemba and last year starting PG makes me cry tears of joy…

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