Knicks Morning News (2021.10.03)

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    77 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2021.10.03)”

    1. Berman of the Post on our favorite giraffe:

      The Knicks have a battle for the 15th roster spot. If Thibodeau falls in love with veteran scorer Dwayne Bacon, who knows if Knox would even make the squad if he had a poor preseason.

      More likely, Knox could be battling point guard Luca Vildoza for a spot, though the Argentine looks to be in a bad way as he reported to camp with a complicated ankle issue developed during summer league.

      Vildoza’s inability to play right now leads to the notion Knox will be safe — unless the Knicks can work out a trade. One source said the Knox camp is being patient, waiting for this to play out.

    2. Hey Alan, a good sunday to you and to all KBers. I don’t think Knox’s place is at risk, not that he deserves to be there, but the guys we brought to training camp aren’t really a threat. Bacon is a guard and we already have a lot of guards, so if he makes the roster it’ll be at the expense of Vildoza, but it’ll be a stupid decision because Vildoza has potential and Bacon is already a known quantity (he sucks). I think besides Jericho with one of the 2-way contracts, the training camp will be a competition between Double-M (Aamir Simms), Selden and MJ Walker for the other spot.

    3. Happy Sunday, All. I’m reposting this from KB Apprentice as I thought it was more important than our usual blather. Anyone else? Z-Man, you’re all school stuff. We only had one response, previously.

      Random basketball query:

      What are the best high schools in NYC for both their basketball program and their educational value? Can be public or private.

      My cousin’s son is now a highly recruited middle school player in Toronto. He is fielding offers from prep/high schools in Canada and in the US. My cousin asked me for any insider tips or anecdotal info on the local programs in NY, but since I don’t really follow high school or even college ball, I can’t help much. I’m tossing it out to better minds on this board. Engage or not. Up to you. Cheers either way.

    4. Raven, I’m far from an expert but my understanding is that even the best NYC public HSs can’t compete with the preps for grooming top NCAA players and NBA prospects. Most wind up leaving for the top prep schools like Monteverde Academy in FL, but those who stay local tend to opt for Catholic prep schools. For example, KAT went to St. Joseph’s in Metuchen NJ; JR Smith played at St. Benedict’s. Some of the NYC public schools have excellent teams but the HSs themselves are not so great beyond sports.

    5. Knox is really a sad case. He’ll really have to make an impact in preseason games to have any chance of being anything more than a hanger-on. The only caveat is that the G-League will be in full force and he might get a chance to put up some big stats and be a trade commodity at the deadline (say straight up for a 2nd rounder or part of a package for a better player.) If he can put up good 3pt% numbers on volume in the G-League, someone will want him.

    6. How often do players of Knox’s status (lottery pick in fourth season) spend significant time in the G-League? I know the Mills regime tended to view sending prospects to Westchester as bad optics or some other such stupid nonsense. And last year under our new management, Obi and IQ were both in the rotation with the big club, while I don’t recall Knox spending any time in Westchester. Would they even bother sending him there at this point, or just write him off as a lost cause who’s best off cheerleading from the bench, Theo Pinson-style?

    7. Alan, I believe that Knox and, yes, Frank too, would have benefited tremendously from G-League time. Not sending them there was idiotic.

    8. DudeInKnicksTown:
      Alan, I believe that Knox and, yes, Frank too, would have benefited tremendously from G-League time. Not sending them there was idiotic.

      I said that from the very beginning about Frank. As to Knox, his current status is fringe roster player. That’s exactly what the G-League is for. You could argue that for rookies and sophs, being on the bench with the big club, practicing with them, being around vets. etc. is good for development. In Knox’s case, he’s past that and just needs to play. Barring injury or some kind of breakout in preseason, he won’t se any non-garbage time minutes, so the only way to get something back for him is to make a last-ditch effort to build up his value, and the only way to do that is for him to play somewhere. I mean, why write him off if you don’t have to?

      One prominent player who was sent down in his 4th year was TH2. Different situations, but imo that’s what the G-League should be for. And the quality of play in the G-League is becoming better, with the ignite team and saturation of NBA rosters with good talent in the absence of expansion.

    9. Z-man: but those who stay local tend to opt for Catholic prep schools. For example, KAT went to St. Joseph’s in Metuchen NJ;

      St Joe’s has produced a few NBA players in addition to KAT. Andrew Bynum and Jay Williams both went there and I think there are some others that I’m forgetting.

    10. Sorry for Luca. That just stinks for him.

      I am always amazed at how many good players end up at random NE preps. I don’t know how the pipeline works.

      I expect if your friends kid is good enough they will find him.

    11. Totally agree that Knox should go to the G-League. Last year it was stupid to not send him down, it was only a one month long season, but it’d have been 15 games in which he could have developed his game. In that time the Knicks played 13 games, Knox played only in 7 of those games and surpassed the 4 minute mark only once.

    12. I think the Vildoza move strongly suggests that they are impressed enough with Deuce to not want to have anyone in his way. You don’t roter a guy like Vildoza to not play him. They might also feel that Joku makes Vildoza redundant beyond this year. Still, I would have liked to have seen him get a chance, that ankle thing was just terrible luck.

    13. cybersoze:
      Totally agree that Knox should go to the G-League. Last year it was stupid to not send him down, it was only a one month long season, but it’d have been 15 games in which he could have developed his game. In that time the Knicks played 13 games, Knox played only in 7 of those games and surpassed the 4 minute mark only once.

      You could at least make the argument to not send him down last season. This year it seems like a pretty lopsided decision in favor of sending him down. But at the end of the day, it probably won’t matter much unless a bunch of bad things happen.

    14. Tommy Beer in aftermath of Vildoza waiver:

      Some notable names that are still unsigned free agents:

      Isaiah Thomas,
      Mike Scott,
      James Ennis,
      Jeff Teague,
      Wesley Matthews,
      Damyean Dotson,
      DeMarcus Cousins,
      Yogi Ferrell,
      Justin James,
      Meyers Leonard,
      Jerome Robinson,
      Terrance Ferguson,
      Shamorie Ponds,
      LiAngelo Ball,

    15. So this is how things currently stand:

      Starters: Julius, Mitch, RJ, Kemba, Fournier
      Rotation bench: IQ, Obi, Burks, Rose, Nerlens
      0-10 minutes guys: Deuce, Grimes, Taj
      Break glass in case of emergency: Knox, Sims
      G-League filler: MJ, Simms, Bacon, Seldon
      Draft and stash: Joku

      I expect that we’ll find a #20 camp guy shortly.

    16. Is Vildoza the all time Knickerblogger champ for amount of bandwidth versus actual playing time?

    17. Alan:
      Is Vildoza the all time Knickerblogger champ for amount of bandwidth versus actual playing time?

      I guess you weren’t here for the Kelenna Azubuike era

    18. Hey cybersoze, it looks like we’re moving forward with our plan to spend a week in Lisbon. What do you think of Ajuda as a location?

    19. JK47: I guess you weren’t here for the Kelenna Azubuike era

      Touché. Though as I recall, most of our hope that off-season was about Randolph. Instead, Turiaf turned out to be the only useful player in that deal.

    20. Thx for the tips on prep schools, Raven and Z-man.

      Luca V, I hardly knew ye.

      Very excited to see what the team looks like on Tuesday.

    21. The Jets should just start a generic backup type veteran quarterback for a while instead of throwing this poor kid to the wolves

    22. Ingmarrrr:
      Hey cybersoze, it looks like we’re moving forward with our plan to spend a week in Lisbon. What do you think of Ajuda as a location?

      Will you be towards the river, or in the upper side of Ajuda? That side of the city only has one problem, you don’t have access to the subway system. Will you have a rent-a-car to move around? If not, and if the Belém train station isn’t too far, you can always walk there and take the train to connect to the subway system.
      You’ll be near some of the more well known touristic spots of the city, and you’ll have our president as your neighbor. LOL

    23. When I was in Lisbon last time I stumbled onto Time Out Mercado da Ribeira on my first day and ended up going back several times. Amazing indoor food market, I highly recommend that spot.

    24. I did not expect Luca to get cut. Easy $3.5M for him.

      I hope he catches on somewhere just to see what we missed.

    25. Katz has Thibs’ quotes on why they waived Vildoza. He may not have made the roster even without the injury, but it was clearly going to linger too long for the team to evaluate him by the guarantee deadline.

      I wish the kid well, as he had some rotten luck. (But also made, as Early Bird notes, an easy $3.5 million.) But there is a very petty part of me that can’t let go of all those Vildoza discussions as the playoffs approached.

    26. Alan:
      Katz has Thibs’ quotes on why they waived Vildoza. He may not have made the roster even without the injury, but it was clearly going to linger too long for the team to evaluate him by the guarantee deadline.

      Makes me think Bacon is the guy just because he’s on the roster and played 72 games for the Magic last year. Maybe Fournier & Kemba really like him? He’s just been so bad…

    27. Saw a stat that Bacon had good on/off stats with Kemba so thats probably why. Would suck if hes in front of Grimes in the rotation

    28. Just so you guys aren’t banking on Vildoza buying drinks for all, from those 3.5M he had to pay 2M to his former club (Baskonia) for the buyout. If now he ends up getting back on their roster, then Baskonia got 2M and Vildoza will only miss the first games of this season. I bet next summer they’ll be calling the Knicks to check if we want to do this again. :D

    29. Curiouser and curiouser, via Berman of the Post:

      The waiving of Vildoza, who last season was a member of Baskonia of the Spanish League, means former Orlando swingman sniper Dwyane Bacon and Kevin Knox look strong bets to make the 15-man roster.

      However, Thibodeau, for the first time, mentioned swingman Wayne Selden — a late training camp addition who has played 125 career games and was on the Knicks Summer League team — as a possibility.

      Asked about Bacon, Thibodeau turned the subject to Selden.

      “It’s a league that’s really driven by wings right now and so we like what he’s done in the league,’’ Thibodeau said of Bacon. “We love what Wayne has done. Wayne has been terrific. He’s been here all summer. Wayne has done a really good job.’’

    30. kevin5318:
      Saw a stat that Bacon had good on/off stats with Kemba so thats probably why. Would suck if hes in front of Grimes in the rotation

      Bacon has great size but seems a bit mechanical. I don’t see him sticking on the roster, but if he does, I’m not worried about the implications. We already know that Thibs is going to play the best players and try to ein all 82 games. If Grimes shows in practice, he’ll get opportunities no matter who the 15th guy on the roster is. If Bacon outlays him, either he improved or Grimes isn’t ready yet.

    31. So much love for Luca who did nothing for us and so little for Frank who did so much.

    32. kevin5318:
      @wojespn
      Knicks waive Argentinian guard Luca Vildoza.

      Sorry for Luca but I wrote about this the day they signed Dwayne Bacon (Selden has a chance too).
      But we’re talking about the 14th or 15th spot on the roster, a very marginal move.

      Also, very strong stand from Wiggins, he sure defended his strong beliefs.
      Who’s the next clown that will get the needle to preserve his money after all the no-vax fuss?

      P.S. My tablet’s autocorrect works in italian, it takes a lot of “edit” to finally post the desired version… :-)

    33. Anyone with any thoughts on Wayne Selden? Again, it’s a marginal move at best, but with Luca gone, Selden vs Bacon is as exciting as it gets, Knicks-wise, at least for today.

    34. I wasn’t impressed, probably a dead heat between him and Bacon, you can find guys at that level at the vet’s minimum at any time. I find what’s going to happen with Knox more interesting.

    35. Selden has been out of he league for a couple of years (he played in Israel last season),
      Bacon played all 72 games last season, albeit with an injury-marred Orlando team, and he’s a CAA client.

      Selden looks like the dark horse here… but if Thibs likes him…

    36. Frank has gotten a ton of love on this site. Tough love.

      Wayne Selden was one of those guys who ended up at a random prep school in New England. Tilton School. He was teammates there with Noel and Niang as I recall.

      And d-mar, spot on. Absolutely fantastic game.

      And Brentford won again! I am on the Brentford bandwagon.

    37. ***Is Vildoza the all time Knickerblogger champ for amount of bandwidth versus actual playing time?***

      Cuttino Mobley is another nominee.

      But the all-time leader has to be Frederic Weis, even though he was drafted long before this blog even existed… his name haunted threads for years.

    38. Gio Urshela risked life and limb running into the Rays dugout to catch a foul pop-up. Holy cow, I hope he’s okay.

    39. And Sterling said something like “there is nothing more important than the game.” To which my Dadnjnstsntky responded “that’s bullshit.”

      Looks like he is back though so all good….

    40. Man, I’m glad that Zach had a good game. He made some real nice plays.

      I’m the only member of my family who is not a Jets fan, I bailed on them in the early 90’s after the Dan Marino Clock Play game and started rooting for the Raiders when they moved back to Oakland. The Raider team that won the SB in 1980 was my original football love. Turns out that being a Raider fan is pretty similar to being a Jets fan, but that’s a different story.

      My mom and dad and brother are all diehards though. I hope Zach pans out and gives them something to get excited about.

    41. Alan:
      Kyrie, autocorrect. Not Kylie Jenner, nor Kylie Minogue.

      Can’t quite tell about Jenner, but Minogue is not only vaccinated, but did a song with the Vaccines.

    42. We technically have 2 spots, a 2-way and the 15th man. I don’t think Seldon is eligible for a 2-way, so that’s Simms or MJ Walker.

      Berman calls Bacon a sharpshooter, he’s been sub-.300 from 3 the last 2 years. I don’t think he’s a great defender either. I have to think Selden can beat him out.

    43. Sims will most likely stick with the team, either on a 2-way or promoted to the 15-man roster, since he has some value as a big man project with ridiculous ups, if not upside. I think the actual 15th spot and the other 2-way are placeholders who will never see a minute of action beyond extreme garbage time. My guess is that they will keep an eye on the waiver wire when other teams have to cut their rosters. There are 30 surplus guys on NBA rosters right now that will be cut before the season starts, one of them has to have more upside than Selden and Bacon, right?

    44. Selden deferred to the kids in Summer League and was selfless. He seemed like the kind of guy who put the team and his teammates first. I seem to recall that in his last game he started to take more shots and looked very good.

    45. DudeInKnicksTown:
      Selden deferred to the kids in Summer League and was selfless. He seemed like the kind of guy who put the team and his teammates first. I seem to recall that in his last game he started to take more shots and looked very good.

      Selden is 27 and has been terrible in 2500 NBA minutes. Sure if he found something overseas and shows out in preseason, keep him around. But I’d rather roll the dice on a younger guy.

    46. The optimal move still was probably to hang on to Vildoza and cut either Knox or Bacon, but it’s possible they wanted to give Vildoza a shot to go somewhere he actually might play for agent-goodwill purposes and I suppose that would be a fine enough explanation.

      Is James Ennis secretly the worst locker room guy in the NBA or something? That guy has been pretty decent for a while now and can never seem to get a real contract. Would vastly prefer him to Knox and Bacon anyway.

    47. Nashville update! I know I don’t post a lot but that’s more to spare you from my stupidity on basketball than anything else. I still consider you guys my internet family.

      It’s insane. I thought when I moved down here I’d be taking a 10k a year paycut. Actually I’m going to make $40k more a year because the electrician trade is so short of workers. I’ve ended up working in Gallatin at the data center that Facebook is building. I get huge incentives just to show up at work. It’s crazy. This has been the best decision I’ve ever made in my life. I work with an awesome crew and I couldn’t be happier with the people I meet. I saw Pauly Shore at Zanies last night. He is hilarious.

      I can’t wait to cheer the Knicks to a championship from Tennessee. Let’s go Knicks!

    48. That is awesome to hear Bidiong! Congrats!

      This end of half punt by the Patriots is going to get killed by the Surrender index….

    49. Congrats Bidiong!!

      Best I can tell, Selden has a 6’10” wingspan and gives a lot of effort on D (from his college reports). That probably goes over well with Thibs. His shooting in Israel, still really bad. Below 30% from 3 & below 70% from FT.

      Selden did win a Final Four EuroCup MVP, which I guess means he had 1 really good game in the semifinals???

      Vildoza put up better offensive numbers in a better league, so the Knicks must like Selden’s defense or want a wing more than a PG (or they’re just dumb).

    50. cybersoze: Will you be towards the river, or in the upper side of Ajuda? That side of the city only has one problem, you don’t have access to the subway system. Will you have a rent-a-car to move around? If not, and if the Belém train station isn’t too far, you can always walk there and take the train to connect to the subway system.
      You’ll be near some of the more well known touristic spots of the city, and you’ll have our president as your neighbor. LOL

      If it’s the president, count me in!

      It looks like the apartment is walking distance from Belém, I’ll ask abut the train. Thank you very much.

    51. Ken Singleton was (with David Cone) my favorite Yankees broadcaster,
      it was sad to see him go, such a classy human being.
      Time flies guys, time flies…

    52. Another good game for Joku in Liga ACB: 22 points in 18 min (6-6 2PT, 2-4 3PT, 4-6 FT)
      in an easy win against Andrew Goudelock’s Bilbao.

    53. Max:
      Ken Singleton was (with David Cone) my favorite Yankees broadcaster,
      it was sad to see him go, such a classy human being.
      Time flies guys, time flies…

      I remember when switch-hitting Ken Singleton came up as the Met’s next big thing during their glory years of the early ’70s, along wih another prospect Mike Jorgenson.

    54. Alan: Rokas went for 22 points in only 18 minutes last night. Some highlights.

      But, but… will he be here in time for the playoffs? :D

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