Knicks Morning News (2021.09.28)

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  • Live Q&A: Fred Katz answers your Knicks questions – The Athletic
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    74 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2021.09.28)”

    1. Twitter saying that via Vince Goodwill – Kyrie is going to get vaccinated.

      Overall – shows mandates do work.

      I know someone who is a NYC schoolteacher and as anti-vax as it gets. Still got vaccinated when it came time to lose her job or get vaccinated.

      At my job, we had over 100 people in one dept who were not vaccinated – and we do have a vaccine mandate with no testing option. All 100+ said they would rather lose their jobs than get vaccinated. At end of day only 2 didn’t get vaccinated by the deadline – both were let go. One of the two was allowed back a few days later after getting her first shot.

      Turns out if you have consequences, most people will just go ahead and do it.

      re: previous thread — it is probably true that 80+% of the country is now either vaccinated or has been infected – was probably much lower than that before Delta swept through. And as that number of immunized (naturally or via vaccine) has gone up, the spike is fading away. Let’s hope it’s the last spike. I think an important reservoir of unvaccinated people will hopefully get vaccinated as early as next month when the vaccine is approved for 5-12 year olds, giving the virus even fewer places to hide.

    2. Let’s hope it’s the last spike.

      I’m fairly nervous about the upcoming season. There was already a significant outbreak in my social circle over labor day weekend. All breakthrough cases.

    3. What we really should hope is that this is the last time government and big business band together to force an invasion of bodily integrity and drug taking on the population. That’s unlikely to be the case. These are unique circumstances, but it’s still a bad precedent. A lot of people have trouble holding the two thoughts in their head at the same time, but both are true.

      It’s also true that an overreaching or authoritarian or dictatorial demand from government can be overreaching or authoritarian or dictatorial even if its in fact in the best interest of the populace. We can be sure Castro or Mao or Pinochet or Franco dictated things that were in the best interest of the populace. This is a relatively subtle principle and there’s no expectation that everyone would understand it, particularly in the current climate.

      The real question honest people would ask is “Would I trust the powers I’m advocating government to possess and exercise in the hands of Donald Trump or Victor Orban or the party that runs Poland??” We’ve already seen a partial answer to that in things like the Vice President’s comments about the vaccine when Trump was still in office.

    4. Hubert: I’m fairly nervous about the upcoming season. There was already a significant outbreak in my social circle over labor day weekend. All breakthrough cases.

      It will be interesting to see the NBA and NHL and NFL reaction if there’s another wave, seasonal or otherwise, and it will be interesting to see whether the authorities are willing to take them on if it comes to it. The Garden has been open for last year’s playoffs (*) and projected Knicks/Rangers seasons so now it and not the city or the state have inertia on their side.

      (*) Garden currently is everyone over 12 has to be vaxxed, everyone under 12 has to mask. That’s basically the best that can be done under current science and conditions. If that’s not good enough, it’s hard to picture exactly when we’ll be getting back to normal.

    5. E, all merc’d out: It’s also true that an overreaching or authoritarian or dictatorial demand from government can be overreaching or authoritarian or dictatorial even if its in fact in the best interest of the populace.

      No one is forcing anyone to be vaccinated, you can choose not to take the shot. But in that case, you have to uphold the same standards than when everybody was unvaccinated. Large public gatherings were a big no then. You could force the NBA and other organizations to hold games behind closed doors, but they already lost a lot of money and as long as people are vaccinated and keep basic safety protocols, games with public seem to be safe.

    6. E, all merc’d out: These are unique circumstances, but it’s still a bad precedent. A lot of people have trouble holding the two thoughts in their head at the same time, but both are true.

      I guess I am one of these people. I agree the first is true as it can be factually argued. But the second is your opinion. It is not mine.

      E, all merc’d out: This is a relatively subtle principle and there’s no expectation that everyone would understand it

      I also guess I am one of those who don’t get this subtle principle. What is in the best interest of the populace is a matter of opinion. Unless blatantly corrupt, all political leaders of all stripes believe their policies to be this.

      E, all merc’d out: The real question honest people would ask i

      I also guess I am not an honest person.

      Disagreeing with your position certainly makes me feel inferior.

      EDIT: Sorry Hubert. Posted before I saw your comment. I will not say another word today…

    7. Thanks for that article, Owen. I am blessed to have two healthy 75 year old parents. My relationship with them is one of the most gratifying aspects of my life. But they’re not particularly careful. They had a care free attitude before the vaccine, and are even more overconfident now that they are vaxxed. It’s going to be a stressful season.

    8. you don’t have to listen to me, BernieEarnie! If you have something you want to get out, help yourself. As long as enough of us don’t take the bait, all will be well.

    9. It is really wild how one’s relationship with the parents you love changes in their 70s and 80s. How they change too.

      They both have had it, both are soon to be triple vaxxed, which leaves me free to worry about all the other things that can happen.

    10. The possibility of a much more deadly Pandemic down the line makes me ok with all the precautions the Government is instituting. People still dont take it seriously and they need a wakeup call because next time could be much worse.

    11. kevin5318:
      The possibility of a much more deadly Pandemic down the line makes me ok with all the precautions the Government is instituting. People still dont take it seriously and they need a wakeup call because next time could be much worse.

      Just remember: the pandemic isn’t over, and the virus will not stop mutating if it continues to have hosts to do business with. Since a good chunk of America pays more attention to quacks on Twitter and outright lies on Facebook than to their primary-care physician, we just have to pray to the gods of pestilence to take it easy on us with the next variant.

    12. iserp: No one is forcing anyone to be vaccinated, you can choose not to take the shot. But in that case, you have to uphold the same standards than when everybody was unvaccinated. Large public gatherings were a big no then. You could force the NBA and other organizations to hold games behind closed doors, but they already lost a lot of money and as long as people are vaccinated and keep basic safety protocols, games with public seem to be safe.

      Those with natural immunity, 150 million plus people, have 27 times the immunity of those who are vaccinated. Ignoring this fact in vaccine mandates is egregious and absurd.

    13. DudeInKnicksTown: Those with natural immunity, 150 million plus people, have 27 times the immunity of those who are vaccinated. Ignoring this fact in vaccine mandates is egregious and absurd.

      Yesterday it was 13 times the immunity and now it’s 27 times.

      Do you have a source for this? This would be great news if true but I’d like to know whether these numbers are real or if they are the “pulled out of my ass” variety.

    14. The Israeli study is six to 13 times better as to infection, 27 times better as to symptomatic COVID, eight times better as to hospitalization.

      There’s a somewhat ambiguous sentence stating that vaccination on top of natural immunity gives “additional protection” against Delta. We’ve also seen studies showing a “super immunity” in people who have both.

      The rubber is going to hit the proverbial road on all of this when the vaccinated start to be deemed “not vaccinated enough.” (*) We’re not there yet, i.e., to mandated boosters and the like and the fully vaccinated deserving “protection” against the “merely partially vaccinated,” but that place seems inevitable at this point. We’re already seeing the outlines of it with the booster discussion.

      (*) And when that point inevitably comes, the fact that people had wildly different antibody responses to the first round of vaccines will be entirely forgotten. People at exactly the same spot on the vaccination timeline aren’t “equally vaccinated” even now, and never have been. (Some people generated, say, 12 [units} of antibodies; others generated, say, 3 or 4.) There’s a bunch of data on this topic, too.

    15. Hey guys, Knicks basketball news!

      @FredKatz
      Luca Vildoza is still in a walking boot and not playing, Tom Thibodeau says. Mitchell Robinson also did not practice today.

      But will Thibs put him in the playoff rotation?

    16. Ok, so we’re still using a single non-peer reviewed study with self-admittedly flawed methodology as the gold standard here. Which is what I thought we were doing.

      I’ll wait for some more data before accepting that as settled scientific fact.

    17. JK47:
      Ok, so we’re still using a single non-peer reviewed study with self-admittedly flawed methodology as the gold standard here. Which is what I thought we were doing.

      I’ll wait for some more data before accepting that as settled scientific fact.

      Sigh. No, JK, you asked the question of whether it was 13 or 27 and I tried to give you and the board a little clarity on where the various numbers are coming from.

      And there are really no such thing as “scientifically settled facts.” Science is perpetually in flux, at least real science when done right.

    18. I was in the same position as Jowles yesterday, but i have now went to the supermarket to buy more popcorn, so keep it going guys. :P
      I won’t debate this because there’s only one thing i would say to anti-vaxxers – “just take the f*cking shot!”. And in case they are like Vincent Vega, i would add “pretty please with sugar on top”. :D

    19. Alan: But will Thibs put him in the playoff rotation?

      LOL! I think first he has to make the roster, and in a walking boot the odds aren’t good for that to happen. :(

    20. I’m pretty surprised that Mitch isn’t ready to go; wasn’t there murmurings in the playoffs that he was close to a return and might be ready if we made it to round 2?

    21. JK47:
      Ok, so we’re still using a single non-peer reviewed study with self-admittedly flawed methodology as the gold standard here. Which is what I thought we were doing.

      I’ll wait for some more data before accepting that as settled scientific fact.

      A study that, as far as I can tell, hasn’t been linked anywhere so we’re just supposed to take everyone else’s word about what it says.

    22. E, all merc’d out: Sigh.No, JK, you asked the question of whether it was 13 or 27 and I tried to give you and the board a little clarity on where the various numbers are coming from.

      And there are really no such thing as “scientifically settled facts.”Science is perpetually in flux, at least real science when done right.

      DudeInKnicksTown seems to think that failing to base public health safety standards on that one particular study is an egregious insult to all of humanity. He’s touting that “27 times as much protection” number like it’s fact.

      I’m over here saying “Wait! It’s just one study. Which has not gone through peer review. Not really enough evidence there to draw hard conclusions! Let’s pump the brakes a little here!”

      You tell me who’s being unreasonable.

    23. As long as its Not “19 times as much protection” to remind me of our lost draft pick, I’m fine with it!

    24. Just get that non-peer-reviewed shit out of here. Seriously. It doesn’t exist. Even if it was written by Albert Einstein, it doesn’t exist. So go home. Bring it back once it’s been peer-reviewed and we can talk about whether it’s crap or not — and lots of peer reviewed stuff is crap, I know because I’ve written some myself. But it’s gone through an actual filter, one of the only ones we have.

    25. I have natural immunity and I got the vaccine. What’s the big deal? You’re just clinging to any bullshit excuse you can find.

      Maybe the natural immunity is stronger. Take the damn shot anyway. And while you’re at the doctor’s office, maybe get help for your oppositional defiant disorder.

    26. I even heard Fraudci grudgingly admit that infection provides natural immunity. He was asked why people that have had the infection shouldn’t be allowed to fully participate in all activities like vaccinated people. Since he’s political he didn’t say the obvious, “THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED”. He dodged it and said “That’s a very good question”.

      IMO, there’s no question that people that have been infected already should either be considered on a par or possibly even a lower risk than those that were vaccinated pending further study, but they assuredly aren’t a greater risk, The medical community knows that. It’s politicians and liars (lot of overlap there) that aren’t pushing for that. There’s no sensible scientific or other reason for it and not much reason to force them to be vaccinated on top of it (certainly not yet). The fact that people that have been infected and are still immune and can easily prove so with an antibody test are being fired and denied other privileges in society is a political evil IMHO. The media has been complicit in this evil.

      I have friends that have been infected. Thank God they had a very mild case or were asymptomatic and fully recovered. I wish I was in that position health wise, because ultimately we are probably all going to get it. It’s a matter of when and severity.

    27. Alan:
      Hey guys, Knicks basketball news!

      But will Thibs put him in the playoff rotation?

      I’d trade Luca for Frank right now.

    28. JK47:
      Ok, so we’re still using a single non-peer reviewed study with self-admittedly flawed methodology as the gold standard here. Which is what I thought we were doing.

      I’ll wait for some more data before accepting that as settled scientific fact.

      Did you follow the 6 foot rule, which was actually pulled out of Fauci’s ass?

    29. Hubert:
      I have natural immunity and I got the vaccine. What’s the big deal? You’re just clinging to any bullshit excuse you can find.

      Maybe the natural immunity is stronger. Take the damn shot anyway. And while you’re at the doctor’s office, maybeget help for your oppositional defiant disorder.

      I’ll give you the reason without making a comment on what I think.

      A lot of people (including some in the medical community) think the risks and side effects are being understated. They believe some of the side effects don’t manifest themselves well enough for you to realize you have been impacted negatively, but some damage is being done.

      It does make sense the authorities would focus on the “net benefit” because if you start telling people things like that it would increase vaccine hesitancy when the rewards still far outweigh the risks.

      If you believe the above and you have already been infected, the risk reward math changes a little. You are getting less benefit from the vaccination but potentially taking on the same risk.

      That’s the thinking. Whether you think they are mistaken or crazy is another matter.

    30. Yeah, Fauci punting on that question was, needless to say, not exactly confidence-inducing. (For those who don’t know, Anderson Cooper (I think) asked him about the Israeli NON-PEER REVIEWED study and the state of natural immunity and he had no answer.)

    31. Deeefense: A lot of people (including some in the medical community) think the risks and side effects are being understated.

      Oh Strat, sometimes you make me so sad. A lot of people (including some in the medical community) think there are ghosts and aliens and Bigfoot and that a dewormer for horses is a great way to cope with Covid.

      Is a vaccine possibly dangerous? Sure, maybe. Maybe not. Ditto the vaccines you got for diptheria, and tetanus, and chicken pox, and measles, mumps, and rubella, and on and on. Maybe some of the side effects from these vaccines include an inability to grasp logical fallacies in your own arguments. Who knows.

      I almost certainly got Covid early on. And I got vaxxed. Because it was the morally and ethically right thing to do (and also likely smart, health-wise). If you love your family and friends, or your country, or humanity writ large (and thank god for family and friends, because I’m not terribly fond of the other choices), just do it.

    32. DudeInKnicksTown: Did you follow the 6 foot rule, which was actually pulled out of Fauci’s ass?

      Several people here have asked you for sources to back up the “natural immunity is 13 I mean 27 I mean 42 I mean googolplex infinity times more protective than the vaccine” statistic you keep throwing out there with great indignity, and you don’t seem to have a very good response.

      I don’t doubt that natural immunity provides very good protection, but that’s just one study and it has not been peer reviewed. Let’s see some other studies that corroborate that.

      Did you catch the ‘rona at some point and now refuse the vax, but now you’re all salty because you want to be allowed to hang out at Dave and Buster’s or something? Because that’s kinda what it seems like.

    33. “Is it normal to go through a The Queen is Dead phase in your mid-thirties?”

      It’s almost inevitable!

    34. I feel like Smiths fever can strike at any moment you are depressed. Never associated it with an age.

      I feel like an idiot for not realizing the natural immunity was a way to undermine the vaccination effort. Had not occurred to me really.

    35. just stopped by to say howdy…howdy…

      i see we’re still in the fauci ouchie phase of discussion…interesting stuff…

    36. I wonder how much of a training camp battle really exists between Bacon & Vildoza. We know Bacon sucks and Vildoza is can play the 1 or 2. Bacon seems more like this year’s MKG than an actual player.

    37. Early Bird:
      I wonder how much of a training camp battle really exists between Bacon & Vildoza. We know Bacon sucks and Vildoza is can play the 1 or 2. Bacon seems more like this year’s MKG than an actual player.

      But on the other hand, Vildoza didn’t play well in the Olympics or Summer League (small sample size alert and all that), and is in a walking boot to start camp, and the Knicks have a surprising amount of depth at PG even factoring in Kemba and Rose inevitably missing time. Whereas the roster is a bit thin on the kind of player Bacon would be if he didn’t suck.

      It also wouldn’t shock me if the 15th man isn’t on the roster yet.

    38. now that frank is gone, i seem to have much less interest to what’s happening to anyone outside the normal rotation, except for grimes & mcbride…

      way to early to tell, but, hoping we got ourselves our own marcus smart type guard, just with a better jumper, and passing…

    39. Yeah, Vildoza’s performance was a little worrying, but he also had some (hopefully) fluky terrible 3pt shooting. He’s historically been a good shooter so I’m optimistic he’ll be fine.

      If we do cut Vildoza, then I’m very onboard with looking elsewhere for a 15th man.Bacon shooting sub-30% from 3 the last couple years is, uh, not great.

    40. I know some anti-vaxers in real life. One is a woman I used to date many years ago. She’s aggressively anti-vax, posts stuff about on Facebook all the time. Her husband needs a kidney transplant, was on the donor list and was ultimately denied a kidney because he refused to get the vaccine. Homeboy is just gonna go through life with a fucked up kidney rather than get the vaccine. Okay brah. Good luck with all that, hippie.

      Today her thread is full of her antivax dimwit friends posting “natural immunity is 27 times more protective than the vaccine” memes. Good times.

    41. And there are really no such thing as “scientifically settled facts.” Science is perpetually in flux, at least real science when done right.

      This just isn’t true. There are lots of settled facts in science; it’s just that practicing scientists focus on the un-settled facts. That’s where the interest is (and of course where publications come from).

    42. natural selection – gift or curse from god?

      what’s up with noooooo one here being familiar or interested in early neolithic or late paleolithic societies???

      c’mon folks, forget what’s happening today, less discuss what was going on 10 to 15 thousand years ago…now that is in fact what is interesting…

    43. You can get infected, get better, then get infected again. Natural immunity for Covid 19 is not a lifetime guarantee, it expires with time.

      In Israel btw the hospitals are loaded with sick and dying anti vaxxers, most of the severe cases are from this group. Do with it what you will, I’m just happy that it seems everyone here is vaccinated.

    44. geo:
      natural selection – gift or curse from god?

      i think you can argue what is going on now is a modern day test of natural selection…ignore science…die…gene pool no longer has you and your decision making genetics in it…next time this stuff happens…better decisions are made with the enhanced gene pool….and on and on and on…

    45. it’s been out for a while now, but, i recently came across this topic of gene transfer between species…not so ironically, seems viruses help out with that kind of stuff…

      seems natural selection, evolution whatever, don’t necessarily happen in such a straight species line…

    46. I believe in climate change but I can’t stand Greta Thurnberg. It’s like someone made Lyanna Mormont without the charm.

    47. pepper: i think you can argue what is going on now is a modern day test of natural selection…ignore science…die…gene pool no longer has you and your decision making genetics in it…next time this stuff happens…better decisions are made with the enhanced gene pool….and on and on and on…

      I hate even thinking in these terms, but in reality — yeah, this, plus the massive age and co-morbidity skew are basically … that … at work.

      I’m no evolutionary biologist, but not taking a simple, life-and-health saving vaccine being offered to you for free sure does seem like the 21st century equivalent of refusing to join the tribe with all the strong people and the weapons in like 10,000 BC.

    48. you gotta wonder, look what we’ve been able to accomplish (besides for the whole on our way to destroying our environment thing) with only around five to six thousand years of written language…shit, we made it to the moon…

      you gotta figure, carving stuff in stone isn’t exactly the most efficient means of communication, you look at spots like gobekli tepe – you sure as shit need to write some notes down to put some stuff like that together…

      back up a few thousand years from that – there was some pretty consistent drought and flooding action going on all over the place…all of sudden within a generation or so for many of those communities that did exist, they went from “hey, this is a cool spot to live”, to “oh, crap, everything is under 2 feet of water” – or, “damn, hasn’t rained here in the last decade, we probably need to move”…

      what’s funny is – unless those folks were stupid enough to be working with either plastic or uranium – it’s gonna be exceedingly hard to learn about them…

      pretty much everything either turns to rock, dust or liquid at some point…

    49. Yankees season has been so up and down, but going strong to end the season. With Giants/Jets jokes and Knicks not starting for another few weeks we have to, once again, rely on the Pinstripes for New York sport glory.

    50. I read somewhere that Stanton entered the Boston series with a 2.1 WAR and left it three games later with a 2.6 WAR.

    51. E, all merc’d out: And there are really no such thing as “scientifically settled facts.” Science is perpetually in flux, at least real science when done right.

      Yikes. Even if you’re trolling, this is wrong enough and important enough to pile on.

      Scientific theories evolve. Accurate measurements are stable facts. As theories about the relationships among facts change, the agreed-upon facts they try to explain remain the same.

      The estimated distance to the moon on a given date and time will not fluctuate between now and a hundred years from now even if theoretical physics is radically different by then. Because of that, you can land rockets there today and rely on the same calculations a hundred years from now to land there safely. More generally, measurements made using appropriately calibrated procedures with known precision really are scientifically settled facts and can be counted on.

      In public health, trusted measurements are the foundation for effective collective planning and action. Misguided skepticism that there are such things as scientifically settled facts adds enervating noise and confusion to the public conversation about what to do at a time when less effective collective action increases mortality and suffering.

    52. Had logged off for a while. Good to see things haven’t changed a bit around here.

      Death, taxes and Knickerbloggers arguing about the non basketball related topic du jour during the off season are about the most reliable things in the world.

      Good to be back perusing and occasionally commenting.

    53. Training camp opens! Let’s check in with the board. Whoa! Vax arguments? Oops.

      Missed you guys over the summer. Very excited for this season. Cheers to all.

    54. JK47:
      Today her thread is full of her antivax dimwit friends posting “natural immunity is 27 times more protective than the vaccine” memes. Good times.

      Why wait around for confirmation from some peer reviewed study when you can get the straight skinny right away from your, like, rilly rilly smart cousin on Facebook.

    55. a thousand drachmas Knew Your Nicks if you can tell us what country contains the oldest human-made structure in the world that we’ve discovered to date…

      another thousand if you can tell us (within 5,000 years or so) of when it was constructed…

    56. That map for AD3000 is way optimistic. The Greenland ice sheet will be gone within this century.

    57. well, i’m about 100 kilometers or so from the ocean, you sayin’ i just need to be patient, and at some point i’ll be looking out over the water from my porch…

    58. Unreason: Yikes. Even if you’re trolling, this is wrong enough and important enough to pile on.

      Scientific theories evolve. Accurate measurements are stable facts. As theories about the relationships among facts change, the agreed-upon facts they try to explain remain the same.

      The estimated distance to the moon on a given date and time will not fluctuate between now and a hundred years from now even if theoretical physics is radically different by then. Because of that, you can land rockets there today and rely on the same calculations a hundred years from now to land there safely. More generally, measurements made using appropriately calibrated procedures with known precision really are scientifically settled facts and can be counted on.

      In public health, trusted measurements are the foundation for effective collective planning and action. Misguided skepticism that there are such things as scientifically settled facts adds enervating noise and confusion to the public conversation about what to do at a time when less effective collective action increases mortality and suffering.

      So well put.

    59. Yeah, it was pretty clear that my quick one-liner on science was aimed quite a bit more at things like “Is Pluto a planet?” or “Does the Earth revolve around the sun?” or “Is time constant?” than it was ,”My living room floor is 22 feet by 13’6″.”

      It was highly dishonest to suggest otherwise.

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