Knicks Morning News (2021.09.05)

  • Trade Proposal Swaps Evan Fournier for Harrison Barnes – Heavy.com
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    Trade Proposal Swaps Evan Fournier for Harrison Barnes  Heavy.com

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    No Shortcuts: Ex-Knick Pete Mickeal owes legendary Euroleague career to Tom Thibodeau  Empire Sports Media

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  • Trae Young’s Jay-Z take and the response of New York Knicks fans – Peachtree Hoops
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    Trae Young’s Jay-Z take and the response of New York Knicks fans  Peachtree Hoops

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    Do the New York Knicks already have their long-term solution at point guard on the roster?  Empire Sports MediaHow the Knicks can snag the #1 seed in the Eastern Conference  Daily KnicksWhat? The Knicks Aren’t Getting Much Love In Next Year’s Predictions, They’re Even Tied With This Team In Odds To Win The Eastern Conference  Sports IllustratedNew York Knicks: Why Kemba Walker should be a 3-point shooter  Hoops HabitAll Knicks Fans Should Be Able To Rally Behind Julius Randle  YardbarkerView Full Coverage on Google News

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    76 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2021.09.05)”

    1. OMG some moron has us trading Fournier already, and for superscrub Harrison Barnes, also including a 1st rounder in the deal. I guess the algorithm is desperate.

    2. LOL! The algorithm is in need of some fine tuning, it is still configured to the “lolKnicks mode”. ;)

    3. RE dumb proposed trades

      My favorites are the silly proposed trades at “NBA Analysis Network” that I’ve seen in the past. I think long ago I linked one or two of them here….for entertainment purposes only.

    4. The zombie corpse of Deadspin proposed a Ben Simmons-Kristaps Porzingis trade, which doesn’t make a ton of sense to me.

      Don’t you want the ball in Doncic’s hands? What purpose does Simmons serve next to Doncic?

    5. It’s hard to believe that Ben Simmons is inherently such a bad shooter. It almost seems like his career would be better if he reinvented himself as a PF or small ball C.

    6. Maybe defense?

      Not sure the perfect trade for Simmons is out there. I think they could make it work with him and Doncic – I like it better than Luka-KP – but it wouldn’t be ideal.

      Simmons does a lot of things out there while not spacing the floor. He is a great cutter without the ball, an excellent rebounder. You could stagger him, use him to give Luka a blow while they are on the court a bit.

      I don’t know, I think this is the bottom of Simmons’ value

    7. Owen:
      Maybe defense?

      Not sure the perfect trade for Simmons is out there. I think they could make it work with him and Doncic – I like it better than Luka-KP – but it wouldn’t be ideal.

      Simmons does a lot of things out there while not spacing the floor. He is a great cutter without the ball, an excellent rebounder. You could stagger him, use him to give Luka a blow while they are on the court a bit.

      I don’t know, I think this is the bottom of Simmons’ value

      Despite terrible FT% and non-existant 3PAr he posts a high TS% every year. He’s a long, athletic 6’10” and about as switchable of a defender as there is in the NBA. If you move him off the ball, it makes no sense to keep him on the perimeter, let him go to work in the post and in the PnR. His FT% is too low for a DeRozan-type role.

      I agree that he’s at his career low value, and that it’s based on some distortion of his actual value. But there are real issues there. If he can’t get that FT% consistently above 70%, I don’t think he’s anywhere near a max player as a guard. But as a combo forward, I think there are ways to employ him where he could find a niche to be dominant, sort of a Draymond-type role.

    8. Yeah, play him at PF. Exactly.

      I don’t know, i think the team that gets Simmons will win a lot of games but it may look a little ugly.

    9. I’m enjoying the fact that Simmons wants out and that’s putting Morey in a position where not only can’t he steal, he may have to be a seller at the bottom.

    10. Morey blew it on this one. He needed to make his best deal before things got this ugly. No one is going to pay a premium for Simmons now. This really shows why trading KP quickly was the right move.

    11. We need to get involved in the Simmons sweepstakes. We should try to move Randle and a couple of picks (Dal and Cha) for him. He could easily be our primary ball-handler taking pressure off of Kemba and allowing us to eventually use Quickley and McBride at the one without worrying about their lack of ability to put pressure on the rim.

      He is at least as good an overall player as Randle right now with a lot less potential to backslide and a lot more potential to improve.

    12. Breaking it down:

      “He is at least as good an overall player as Randle right now”

      Um, no.

      “with a lot less potential to backslide”

      Possibly true, as Randle’s jump was unexpected and almost unprecedented. We shall see.

      “and a lot more potential to improve.”

      True, but only because he has huge holes in his game (that Randle seems to have filled already!), and yet he seems to have no apparent ability or interest in improving them.

    13. Simmons is what I’ve been saying all along. It took getting exposed in the playoffs for the league to really figure out how his limitations can impact the team negatively. However, IMO now teams are over shooting to the downside in their evaluation because he was struggling a little mentally too.

      He’s a very good player.

      He defends at a very high level, can switch multiple positions, is efficient on moderate usage, and can make plays, but he’s so bad from outside he creates spacing problems because smart teams will sag off and barely defend him on the outside. It was never an ideal match with Embiid. Embiid does his best work around the basket and in the post. You want maximum space for him. You don’t want him away from the basket shooting 3s trying to create space for Simmons. That’s nuts.

    14. It took getting exposed in the playoffs for the league to really figure out how his limitations can impact the team negatively. However, IMO now teams are over shooting to the downside in their evaluation because he was struggling a little mentally too.

      wait, are your talking about julius or simmons…

      We need to get involved in the Simmons sweepstakes. We should try to move Randle and a couple of picks (Dal and Cha) for him.

      not to say under no circumstances would i trade julius, but, yeah – this is a pretty easy one to pass on…

    15. We need to get involved in the Simmons sweepstakes. We should try to move Randle and a couple of picks (Dal and Cha) for him. He could easily be our primary ball-handler taking pressure off of Kemba and allowing us to eventually use Quickley and McBride at the one without worrying about their lack of ability to put pressure on the rim.

      Ben Simmons is a good player who is clearly on the trade market, so sure, the Knicks should per se do due diligence. However the fit here is unclear at best and trading Randle for him would almost definitely make us worse.

      Last season we had a great defense but suffered from an offense that often got bogged down by a lack of guys who could consistently hit tough shots and a low 3PA (largely due to the same issue). In what world is a team that fits that description in a position to trade Julius Randle (toughest shot profile in the league last year, 41% 3PT shooter on nearly 400 attempts) for Ben Simmons (elite defensive player who cannot shoot a basketball)?

      If you want to say a deal like that would be worth it fit be damned for the talent upgrade alone, well, you need to make a case for it actually being a substantial talent upgrade. Randle’s BPM this past year would’ve been the 2nd best of Simmons’ career.

      Simmons is probably a “better” player than Randle in a vacuum but I’m not sure what the significance of that is for players who play such wildly different roles. Teams increasingly value the ease with which players let them construct the roster over raw production, and as long as Randle keeps hitting threes he’s pretty damn easy to accommodate. Simmons…not so much!

    16. https://basketnews.com/news-155990-in-search-of-mannions-replacement-ntilikina-is-among-virtus-targets.html

      On Saturday, the head coach of Virtus Bologna, Sergio Scariolo, revealed that Nico Mannion will miss the beginning of the season and that the club is looking for a replacement.

      According to the Gazzetta dello Sport and La Repubblica, Ntilikina is one of the Virtus’ targets. However, reports say that the French point guard is not the first name on the Italian club list.

      lmao

    17. Whether or not Simmons’s fit is worse than Randle’s he is a much better player with a much higher ceiling who is younger. Randle just had an absolute career year, far and away better than any previous season, and his BPM was 3.7 which is the same as Ben Simmons’s career average BPM (Randle’s avg BPM is 0.3). Simmons is a much better defender, he has much more positional versatility, his career 2pt%, efg%, and TS% are all higher than Randle and were all still better than Randle’s last year despite Simmons having a down year and Randle having a career year.

      With Randle, we are all hoping he can simply maintain his play and not have his 3pt% regress. There is a real chance Randle might never put up a 3.7 BPM or a 41% 3pt% ever again. Simmons is all upside the things he is good at will very likely not get worse and he has huge holes in his game that he can potentially improve. The fact that he is a better player or at worst a comparable player to Randle while still having huge holes in his game gives him a lot more potential upside. Either he doesn’t improve and you are getting a player that over his first 4 seasons put up a BPM as good as Randle’s best season and should continue to at least do the same or he does improve and he becomes a top 10 NBA player.

      The fact that a young player as good as Simmons is on the market is a miracle and the fact that his value is distressed is the only reason we have any shot to get him. Randle plus two mediocre to poor 1st round picks for a player of Simmons’s caliber is a steal and we would be lucky to make that trade.

    18. “wait, are your talking about julius or simmons…”

      IMO the situations are different. In Julius’s case the Knicks lack of shooting and shot creation was exposed. The Hawks focused on stopping Julius and dared the rest of the Knicks to create a shot and score. Since no one on the Knicks could punish them for that strategy they were able to force Randle into a lot of bad situations and shots. It was a flashback to the prior year. I agree that Randle is not the best decision maker when that happens. That became apparent again in the payoffs, but that’s why we added Kemba and Fournier.

      Against the 76ers teams were daring Simmons to shoot.

      They were opposites.

    19. >However, reports say that the French point guard is not the first name on the Italian club list.<

      And I thought Berman was the only one left foolish enough to call Frank a PG when he played less PG than SG for Thibs (and only when we were desperate for a PG) and doesn’t even play PG for France and never did. I’m going to assume this article is nonsense because in Italy they must know he’s not a PG .

    20. This one actually make sense, though they also referred to him as a PG. He’s a PG on multi playmaking guard tandem.

      “The Raptors development staff have done a terrific job with young players, especially when it comes to making them better on offense, and Ntilikina could be next in line. Toronto has one true young point guard in Malachi Flynn, and with the athleticism and length that Ntilikina has, he can be a playmaker if the Raptors work with him.

      Ntilikina is younger than Flynn and has more league experience. He would not likely take minutes away from Flynn, but he could come off the bench and slowly work his way into the rotation

      If nothing else, his defense will still be solid, as his 7-1 wingspan and ability to guard multiple positions make him ideal for how Toronto wants to build their roster.”

    21. Putting aside the merits of Randle for Simmons (which I think are horrible for the Knicks), the trade does not work under the CBA. Randle just signed a four year extension with 8% raises. That means he cannot be traded for 6 months from the date of his extension. The earliest he could be traded is February 6, 2022, a few days before the trade deadline.

      I doubt Simmons will still be in Philly at the trade deadline.

    22. Ben R I don’t want to be dismissive of the theory of your position. The statistical arguments are valid. But the argument can be made that Randle has figured the league out, whereas the league has figured Ben Simmons out.

    23. ephus – I did not know a contract extension prevented a player from being traded. That is a shame.

      Z-Man – I do not think the league has “figured out” Simmons. He struggled from the line in the playoffs and it got into his head a bit but he still averaged almost 12pts/8rebs/9asts with an efg% of 62% and a BPM of 4.7 in the playoffs last year. He had some genuinely bad moments and was clearly struggling with his confidence but despite that was still very effective. Randle on the other hand might have averaged a solid 18pts/12rebs/4asts but had an efG% of 36% and a BPM of -3.5 in the playoffs. If anyone got figured out it was Randle.

      I think both will bounce back from their playoff struggles and have good seasons but I think the statistical and defensive advantages Simmons has over Randle are huge and whoever gets Simmons is going to get a motivated, pissed-off superstar who will probably put up career numbers next year. Honestly, I would be surprised if Simmons doesn’t improve and become a top 10 NBA player at some point in his career. His strengths are too good and his weaknesses seem fixable.

    24. I feel that a:

      Lillard to Philly
      Simmons to GS
      Wiggins, Wiseman, Kumiga, future picks to Portland

      trade is the most logical for all teams.

      Simmons is talented, but the fit around the league is difficult to work out. But with GS getting Thompson back, he and Draymond could be a two-headed beast doing everything except shooting the ball.

    25. Ben R, I don’t think the Knicks FO would do the deal even if they could, it would be a major PR gamble that’s just not worth taking. That said, it’s not a straight up deal, and when you factor in the cost in cap space and picks, and the rather obvious PR hit for the FO both with fans and future FAs (Randle could argue that he was misled by the FO and goaded into signing an extension), there’s really no logic for it as things stand right now. And I don’t see any reason why Morey would want Randle in return for Simmons, even with picks attached. I get the statistical arguments, but it’s just not gonna happen, and wouldn’t even if Randle was eligible to be traded.

    26. Yeah, Z-Man, Randle could play alongside Embiid, but it feels like it would be a waste of their combined talents. I suppose Morey could then try to flip Randle for the guard he actually needs to pair with Embiid, but it just doesn’t feel like a move Philly would want to make, on top of the questions other people here have raised about why New York would do it.

    27. To put it simple, i wouldn’t trade Randle for Simmons straight up, let alone send picks to Philly. Randle fits NY like a glove, and is worthy of his contract. Simmons fits LA, he’s a stubborn diva that thinks he knows it all, and isn’t worthy of his contract. There’s no certainty that this late blunder has humbled him, i bet (almost) all my money he’ll be stubborn about keeping the PG spot, and you guys trying to project him as a PF, or even small ball C, like it would be easy.
      Oh, and btw, Strat, it was a joke your comment trying to be the only one that saw this Simmons not fitting with Embiid coming, right? I guess like 90% of the NBA world has been arguing about it, it was only Philly, and maybe Philly’s fans, that were still believing.

    28. Alan:
      Yeah, Z-Man, Randle could play alongside Embiid, but it feels like it would be a waste of their combined talents. I suppose Morey could then try to flip Randle for the guard he actually needs to pair with Embiid, but it just doesn’t feel like a move Philly would want to make, on top of the questions other people here have raised about why New York would do it.

      In a vacuum it’s not a crazy transaction, and Morey is one guy who has a history of ignoring fit/chemistry/PR and considering only value added on paper in deals. In that sense, Ben R is correct that Simmons is on paper a better player than Randle, that his offensive weaknesss are overstated, and that he’s taking heat for melting down in the playoffs when he played better than Randle did vs. Atlanta. So while I initially scoffed at the notion, it actually deserves a serious, thoughtful response.

      Which is really grounded in the Knicks FO’s primary MO….to methodically build a winner while getting rid of the clown show/starfucking reputation of FOs past. Making a Simmons for Randle+picks deal right now would set the team back in that regard, since Julius has just been marketed as the face of the franchise who bet on the Knicks rather than on himself in taking the available offer rather than waiting for a max. Even if it were a more obviously value-added deal for the Knicks, and I think it’s more of a wash, it wasn’t worth the risk in the context of what the FO is trying to do.

      Think about when Danny Ainge dumped an incredibly loyal and popular Isaiah Thomas for Kyrie Irving. You couldn’t imagine a more no-brainer deal, yet the PR hit may have cost them a shot at Anthony Davis (at least Davis’s camp said as much.) OTOH, Cuban made good on his promise to Wes Matthews even though he could have balked when Matthews got injured before officially signing. These things matter.

    29. Also, a) I don’t think Randle is done improving and b) when your highest paid veteran player is your hardest worker, it rubs off on the young guys. I don’t think it’s lost on the FO and Thibs that Julius embodies everything the FO wants in its players…tireless dedication to being the best player one can be. To put it anotther way, the expression “he makes his teammates better” is usually applied to on-court decision-making/execution, but I believe it is applicable to off-the-court stuff as well. Julius’ work ethic and example of hard work paying off will make his teammates better.

    30. Is it crazy to disagree because now i’m rooting for our hard workers (Julius and RJ) to do well here, with the star Leon is going to trade for when the time comes (Zion?) and by improving themselves?

    31. cybersoze: Is it crazy to disagree because now i’m rooting for our hard workers (Julius and RJ) to do well here, with the star Leon is going to trade for when the time comes (Zion?) and by improving themselves?

      It’s the most natural thing in the world, sports is about feelings.

    32. Ingmarrrr: It’s the most natural thing in the world, sports is about feelings.

      IMHO, sports is about money….fandom is about feelings.
      :-)

    33. I feel that a:

      Lillard to Philly
      Simmons to GS
      Wiggins, Wiseman, Kumiga, future picks to Portland

      trade is the most logical for all teams.

      That strikes me as a very poor return for Portland.

      I think are Blazers are going to acquire someone before they trade Lillard. Simmons to Portland for McCollum, picks, and some other bit players strikes me as a fair deal.

    34. “Bobby Marks set me straight on this. (Simmons) can be fined $227,000 a day for not showing up.”, Windhorst said. “Typically, NBA teams, especially in training camp, work six days a week. That means that if they (Sixers) wanted to fine him for every week, he could be fined about $1.3 million dollars (per week).“

      Wow, that’s a lot of money. Wouldn’t it be better to show up and be a prick, like Harden did last year?

    35. Man, that’s tough. His performance in The Wire is legendary. On a long drive this weekend I was doing the spotify thing, and Neil Young’s The Needle and the Damage Done came on…so haunting….

    36. For me, the greatest moments of Michael K. Williams as Omar were his series of meetings with Prop Joe, first setting up the robbery of the multi-kilo heroin shipment, followed by selling the shipment back to him. Williams and Robert Chew spoke a language of tone, body postures and words that was amazing to watch.

      If there is an afterlife, I hope that Williams and Chew are teaching a master class in acting for eternity.

    37. Oh, btw, in helping Z-Man’s daughter move around my town, i got to know an independent tourist guide friend of a friend. If any of you ever come here and want to do it with a guide, let me know and i’ll send you his contacts.
      In Z-Man’s daughter case, i replied like a new yorker (we have the same style here at Porto) “she’s too young, and tourist guides are for old people”. LOL

    38. Thanks, cyber, very much appreciated! To quote my kid, “omg dad the guy on knickerblogger sent so much info, he is too sweet” She’s loving her trip. When you visit NYC we’ll surely hook you up.

    39. Here’s a nice puff piece about the Thibs effect. It essentially says that Thibs did Stoute’s job for him, by rebranding the team.
      “Thibodeau quickly established a standard. The Knicks were going to show up every night, ferociously compete, and if you didn’t match that energy, good luck. The chemistry among the players and coaching staff radiated off the screen during the 41-win season.”

    40. Z-man: Thanks, cyber, very much appreciated! To quote my kid, “omg dad the guy on knickerblogger sent so much info, he is too sweet” She’s loving her trip. When you visit NYC we’ll surely hook you up.

      Thanks, and i’m just glad i can help. :)

    41. “Thibodeau quickly established a standard. The Knicks were going to show up every night, ferociously compete, and if you didn’t match that energy, good luck. The chemistry among the players and coaching staff radiated off the screen during the 41-win season.”

      Everyone knows I loved the Thibs signing and still love him, but you have to have the right players to get away with working players that hard every practice and game. Otherwise, he’ll wear out his welcome eventually.

    42. Deeefense: Everyone knows I loved the Thibs signing and still love him, but you have to have the right players to get away with working players that hard every practice and game.Otherwise, he’ll wear out his welcome eventually.

      Agreed. Particularly in the first year. Now, the record speaks for itself. That said, there’s still the argument that the team overachieves in the regular season, and doesn’t have a next level to go to come playoff time. There’s also the argument that the inflated regular season record masks deficiencies that ultimately need to get fixed in order to be true contenders. But hey, you can’t have everything. The hope is that Thibs is a championship caliber coach and it’s the FO’s job to build a Thibs-proof team for him. We already know that Thibs is a terrible GM from his days in Minny, where he was singularly responsible for signing Wiggins to a max deal and bringing in the corpse of Deng on board. The Team of Rivals approach is fine, so long as Thibs doesn’t manipulate Rose into ignoring the other voices.

      In my book, the jury is still out, but so far, so good.

    43. The depth helps hedge against Thibs running his team into the ground.

      Randle & RJ are still at risk because the Randle to Obi drop-off is gargantuan and RJ is young enough that Thibs thinks he can take the abuse.

      Everyone on the team down to Jericho Sims (with Knox coming after Sims so that Knox is excluded) can step into an open spot and give Thibs reasonable value.

      We don’t have a championship roster, but Thibs inflation should help open trade opportunities for players who would otherwise be mediocre.

      Thibs has arguably never run a championship level roster, it’s not his fault his teams lose early in the playoffs. It’s up to the FO to discern talented players from Thibs inflated players. We had a similar issue with Pringles. Players’ numbers under D’Antoni ballooned during the regular season.

      End of the day I’d take a series of flawed teams making the playoffs over the dreck of the last 20 years. The league needs to stop seeing us as a laughingstock before we can recruit and keep the high-end talent that wins championships.

    44. Early Bird: Thibs has arguably never run a championship level roster, it’s not his fault his teams lose early in the playoffs. It’s up to the FO to discern talented players from Thibs inflated players. We had a similar issue with Pringles. Players’ numbers under D’Antoni ballooned during the regular season.

      I agree with this. I’d certainly put Thibodeau in D’Antoni’s class as a coach. The problem is that their approaches disguise fundamental problems with roster construction that get revealed at the highest level of competition. In Thibs’s case, he bludgeoned his way to 41 wins and a 4th seed, only to get exposed as more of a 6-8 seed talent-wise. In other words, there’s a decent chance that we would have lost to a healthy Celts team, or Miami, or maybe the Pacers or Wizards. So it’s up to the FO to improve the roster, yet to do it within the context of Thibs’ coaching style and the team identity he created. Thibs is probably a detriment to that process since he gets attached to guys and is resistant to change.

      BTW that’s the main problem I saw with Danny Ainge. The Celts seemed to have a defensive identity pre-Hayward/Kyrie/Kemba and then became too soft to get over the hump while squandering their assets in the process. Hopefully our FO will not make the same mistake.

    45. Early Bird:
      Out of many memorable roles and moments, Omar was the best part of The Wire for me. RIP.

      Bubbles is my guy, but Omar is top shelf for sure. I mean, were there any “bad” performances?

    46. It’s definitely between Bubbles & Omar for me (with an honorable mention to every actor with over half a second of screen time). I’d say Bubbles gave the best performance, one of the best all-time performances, but Omar was my favorite character.

    47. When you talk about the great non-lead performances/characters in TV history MKW/Omar is certainly one of the very first names that would come up. Was always the best part of Boardwalk Empire for me as well. A very tragic loss.

    48. I think these narratives about coaches are almost always overblown and usually wrong to some degree. I mean, coach Bud was on the hot seat and considered a horrible playoff coach but now he’s an amazing coach who coached an NBA championship team. Carlisle lived off of a good playoff run and wonderful coaching job against the Heat in 2010 for a long time.

      Thibs really had only one year where he coached a championship caliber team and that was the year he took the Bulls to the eastern conference finals. The next year they were just as dominant but then Rose got hurt and that was the beginning of the end of those Bulls teams.

      The regular season goal should be to win as many games as possible. The whole load management thing has gotten out of hand. Unless you have an core of stars who are either old or injury prone, there is really no reason to load manage in the regular season.

      Obviously, I want Thibs to play Obi more so Randle isn’t burned out but I’m not so sure Randle flamed out against Atlanta because he was tired. We had like 6 days of rest before game one (because we were the 4th seed and not the 6th, 7th or 8th seeds. Being a lower seed means we would have faced an even tougher team than Atlanta. The only way we play The Pacers, Wizards, etc…in the first round was if we eeked out even more wins in the regular season.

      I just don’t really think he’s a detriment to us really competing. I don’t think his Bulls teams underperformed in the playoffs.

    49. “she’s too young, and tourist guides are for old people”

      that’s too funny…very true though :)

    50. i watched boardwalk empire before i ever saw the wire, so, my first time noticing michael k williams was as chalky white…even amongst that stellar ensemble he stood out, to have done it earlier with another exceptional cast is amazing…

      i remember how surprised i was by that “twist” regarding the portrayal of the omar character, and just how impressed it made me – it just fit so perfect, but wasn’t expecting it at all…and, to think they wrote and portrayed that character in early 2000’s is even more impressive…

      Bubbles is my guy, but Omar is top shelf for sure. I mean, were there any “bad” performances?

      i had some doubts on dominic west for a while, until i realized the character he was playing was just such an unrelenting dick…

    51. If my memory serves me well, Michael K Williams basically stole Boardwalk Empire from Steve Buscemi towards the end.

    52. Michael K. Williams as Omar
      Andre Royo as Bubbles
      Jamie Hector as Marlo

      Those three were my favorite performances in The Wire. Jamie Hector as Marlo was so low-key menacing, that character seemed so real to me.

    53. So sad to read about Michael K. Williams’ death and his struggles with drug addiction. Too many people associated with that show have died or seen prison. It was an absolute artistic crime he was never recognized by the Academy for his legendary performance as Omar Little. His acting work was the most legendary on the most legendary of shows. The guy came into the 1st season, stole scenes to the point that Simon and Burns had to keep writing him storylines after originally planning to kill him. The rest, as they say, is history.

      As to my opinion on the rest of the characters/cast:

      My favorite character: Robert Wisdom as Bunny Colvin
      Most overrated performance: Idris Elba as Stringer Bell
      Most underrated performance: Clarke Peters as Lestor Freemon

    54. Barrettcuda:
      So sad to read about Michael K. Williams’ death and his struggles with drug addiction. Too many people associated with that show have died or seen prison. It was an absolute artistic crime he was never recognized by the Academy for his legendary performance as Omar Little.His acting work was the most legendary on the most legendary of shows. The guy came into the 1st season, stole scenes to the point that Simon and Burns had to keep writing him storylines after originally planning to kill him. The rest, as they say, is history.

      As to my opinion on the rest of the characters/cast:

      My favorite character: Robert Wisdom as Bunny Colvin
      Most overrated performance: Idris Elba as Stringer Bell
      Most underrated performance: Clarke Peters as Lestor Freemon

      The show jumped the shark a bit in the 5th season with the whole with the McNulty nonsense, but so great otherwise across the board. My least favorite character was Littlefinger, er, Carcetti, never bought him in that role. Hard for me to find fault beyond that.

    55. I liked stringer bell. Teaching his gang roberts rules of order. Marlo was truly menacing without many lines.

    56. It was a shame that Alcaraz had to withdraw from the quarterfinal but Auger-Aliassime was outclassing him anyway.

      I’m a big FAA stan, I like his style.

    57. Idris Elba was too clearly a leading man type to fit perfectly in the ensemble- when you’re thinking “this guy’s going to be a star” every time he’s on screen it takes you out of the story a bit.

      Favorite character: Bodie (and Omar)
      Underrated: All the women- Snoop, Kima, and Amy Ryan’s character whose name I’m spacing on were all great and very well acted.

    58. I hate it that a super hero is my favorite character but Omar was just so, so brilliant.

      Someone recommended Resident Alien. I haven’t seen it yet. What do you guys think?

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