Knicks Morning News (2021.09.03)

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    1. From the last thread:

      Z-man:
      Early morning musings: I wonder if Hubert is right in that Mitch’s camp is thinking “Mitch has been involved in too many trade rumors and they signed Nerlens for starter’s money, so why sign a value deal here when we are just gonna be traded afterwards, maybe to somewhere he doesn’t want to be? Why not wait until after the season and sign where we want to be, possibly for a lot more money?” There’s an injury risk, but he’s young enough to bet on himself. Maybe he’d like to hook up with Zion in New Orleans to be closer to home.
      Well at the very worst, we have him locked up on a value deal for this season….hopefully mgmt will offer him the $50+ mill deal and he will take it, but if not, not the end of the world. 32 days to preseason game 1!

      I think Leon will offer him the money, and soon, at least that’s what Berman says and as he quoted Leon for the “as long as it’s not crazy” (values), i guess he wouldn’t be making up words to put in Leon’s mouth, right? Right?
      But once Leon makes the offer, if Mitch is thinking the way you described, i think the best course of action is to trade him. If he wants NOP, we can trade him, along with Knox, and get back Naji Marshall and Jaxson Hayes. And then he’ll be NOP’s problem and we buy time (Hayes is under contract until 2023, and Marshall until 2024).

    2. Z-Man, if your daughter needs anything, let me know. I think there’s nothing to list on the “don’t do”, if you’re meaning avoid dangerous places or something like that. About the attractions, it’s kind of a personal taste, Hubert doesn’t like Sintra, but yeah it’s one of the most famous tourist attractions around Lisbon and people usually like it. I guess Azenhas do Mar, as Hubert suggested and i’ve never been to, looks like a nice mini road trip for her to do. The waves of Nazare as d-mar said are also an amazing place to visit. It’s only 1h30 from Lisbon by car. And then they can go to the Nazare beach (the other one, not the one with the crazy waves! LOL), and i suggest try also Sao Martinho do Porto beach on her way back. It’s a beach almost inland, the sea passes through a narrow space (well, not so narrow, boats go in and out), but that created a bay almost totally protected from the open sea. It’s a cool place to pass by.
      Also only 1h30 away from Lisbon by car, i suggest one of my preferred visits, i’ve done it a lot of times, maybe once each 5 years – the Caves of Mira de Aire (https://www.grutasmiradaire.com/en/3/caves). Fatima is right near this caves, so they can pass by and visit one of the greater sanctuaries in europe, just type “fatima pilgrimages” and you’ll know what i mean.
      Well, here are some ideas of what to do, but if they’re going road tripping and not be based in Lisbon, you can come back to me because i’m one of the “we the north” here, and i can tell (a lot) more if they come to my area. ;)

    3. Thanks, cyber, she and her roomie are getting their final covid clearance and should be good to go this weekend. I will give her the contact info you shared and your suggestions. She’s travelled throughtout Europe and lived in France, Italy and Spain for stints….while her poor dad has only visited Italy for a week and that’s pretty much it.

      (Although I should mention that I was born in Casablanca, Morocco where my mom’s famly is from and lived in Spain briefly as an infant before settling in the Bronx…maybe that Sephardic Jew dual citizenship thing would apply to me…)

    4. Hey guys, one more shameless Sopranos plug: my profile of Michael Gandolfini, who had the impossible job of following in his late father’s footsteps to play the young Tony Soprano in The Many Saints of Newark. I busted my ass on this piece, and I think it turned out really well.

    5. Z-man: She’s travelled throughout Europe and lived in France, Italy and Spain for stints….while her poor dad has only visited Italy for a week and that’s pretty much it.

      Wow, now the bar is a lot higher, i’ll be hoping she likes it here. I’ve been to Spain and Italy, and France but only briefly, and they have amazing places. I think we fare well comparing to them, but my opinion is biased so i’ll much appreciate for you to come back to me with what she tells you when the trip is over. :)
      It’s better to have been in Italy than to never have been in Europe. And btw i’ve never been in North America so it’s 1-0 for you. ;)
      But i’m saving money to go to NY because i promised my kid we’ll be there at MSG for the Finals, be it conference Finals or NBA Finals. Maybe it’s this years, surprising everybody Hawks-style. :D

    6. Z-man: Although I should mention that I was born in Casablanca, Morocco where my mom’s famly is from and lived in Spain briefly as an infant before settling in the Bronx…maybe that Sephardic Jew dual citizenship thing would apply to me…

      That’s amazing, you have history in 3 continents. ;) I don’t know if our Sephardic Jews law applies to people whose ancestors weren’t based in Portugal. We only expelled people from here. :P

    7. Alan: Hey guys, one more shameless Sopranos plug: my profile of Michael Gandolfini, who had the impossible job of following in his late father’s footsteps to play the young Tony Soprano in The Many Saints of Newark. I busted my ass on this piece, and I think it turned out really well.

      I’m very busy right now, Alan. Although now that i think of it, i’m posting a lot here for a “busy guy”. LOL
      But tomorrow i’ll read it. I’ve since sent the other article to a friend of mine, and his reaction was “when can we go watch this movie”. ;)

    8. How Mitch will do this season is really hard to predict for a lot of reasons. Two of his major attributes are his quick twitch athleticism and his soft hands at the hoop. He can do a lot with that. But he’s not actually very skilled at shooting or passing and he didn’t get better at either over the last off season, which was a long one. And reports from this summer, which was a short off season seem to emphasize how he’s stronger, with nothing being said that he’s more skilled. I think that means he wants to give us more of the same as last year from him. But unlike skills, which stick around, physical abilities change with time and it’s hard to predict their improvement. This uncertainty makes it hard to predict his contract, especially as he’s had a lot of injuries. When you add in his bad experience with agents, and maybe his flakiness, it’s just a total crap shoot.

      On a side note, I think the best thing he could do for his offensive game is develop a short jumper. If a defender is just worried about alley oops to Mitch he’ll stay between Mitch and the basket. That makes it easy to pass to him for a short jumper. But I don’t see him ever developing that skill. I hope I’m wrong.

    9. Alan, considering that I’m a Sopranos stan, it’s a little weird that I have been zero percent excited for the movie. So thank you for helping me get to 5% or so. I just don’t care and I don’t know why. Feels like we’re headed for a Godfather 3 situation, where a later work tries to fit itself into the existing world but flops hard. It’s not like I have anything but a gut feeling on this, but I have a hard time with this sort of thing, save the wonderful Better Call Saul.

    10. cybersoze: That’s amazing, you have history in 3 continents. ;) I don’t know if our Sephardic Jews law applies to people whose ancestors weren’t based in Portugal. We only expelled people from here. :P

      You said your email is cybersoze@aol.com, right?

    11. I’m probably the only guy on KB (or in the cable tv-watching world?) who hasn’t watched a single episode of either The Sopranos or Breaking Bad. But we are having a 75″ flatscreen installed in our newly-renovated basement TV room literally as we speak so I will give them a shot just for Alan’s sake.

    12. According to at least one reliable italian newspaper Frank Ntilikina is going to sign with italian league current champion Virtus Bologna (Farfa’s team), where he’ll join Milos Teodosic, Marco Belinelli and Nico Mannion in a crowded backcourt of former NBAers.

      In addition to the Italian League Bologna plays in the Eurocup (not Eurolegue).

      I circled december 26th on the calendar, when I’m going to watch Frank play versus Armani Milano’s Jerian Grant in a juicy Knicks’ busts showdown.

    13. Z:
      Victor and Ilsa fled from Casablanca to Lisbon, fwiw.

      lol still a top-5 movie for me, just before the pandemic my wife and I saw a special screening at the Jacob Burns Film Center in Pleasantville NY.

    14. Max: According to at least one reliable italian newspaper Frank Ntilikina is going to sign with italian league current champion Virtus Bologna (Farfa’s team), where he’ll join Milos Teodosic, Marco Belinelli and Nico Mannion in a crowded backcourt of former NBAers.
      In addition to the Italian League Bologna plays in the Eurocup (not Euroleague).
      I circled december 26th on the calendar, when I’m going to watch Frank play versus Armani Milano’s Jerian Grant in a juicy Knicks’ busts showdown.

      Probably that’s why Farfa is away from KB, he was all year on the plan “Bring Frank to Bologna”. LOL
      I know Milano has a “seat” on the Euroleague, but don’t the italian champions qualify to Euroleague also? Sorry i’m asking, although i’m european i don’t follow euro basket a lot.

    15. Given how little money he’s made so far and his injury history, I think if Mitch passes on a reasonable contract he is a fool. He has made very little money in the NBA so far and while he is still young he isn’t a teenager anymore. A 3 or 4 year deal where he makes 10 to 14 million a year will mean he and his family will never have to worry about money again. And he’d still be young enough at the end of that contract to get another even bigger contract. Passing on that bc he might get traded or could MAYBE get something a little better (but also maybe not) would be beyond dumb. Injury insurance is expensive and would only cover part of what he could lose.

    16. Z-man: She is visiting Porto…is that near you?

      That’s my city. And probably the most beautiful city in the world. :)
      Whatever she needs around here, it’ll be a lot easier to help. ;)

    17. cybersoze:
      I know Milano has a “seat” on the Euroleague, but don’t the italian champions qualify to Euroleague also? Sorry i’m asking, although i’m european i don’t follow euro basket a lot.

      Alas no, Euroleague partecipation has strange rules (always subject to change). As of today:

      13 teams have a multi-year licence (10 years)
      1 team have a two-year licence
      2 teams are winner and finalist of previous year Eurocup
      2 teams are “wild-cards” invited by euroleague. One of them usually is from the spanish League.

    18. But wait, wasn’t a team like the Spurs with an appreciation for Frank’s subtle greatness going to offer him a nice NBA deal? What the hell is going on?

    19. Z-man:
      But wait, wasn’t a team like the Spurs with an appreciation for Frank’s subtle greatness going to offer him a nice NBA deal? What the hell is going on?

      Popovich recently called Sergio Scariolo, Bologna’s (and Spanish National Team) coach, the best international coach.
      So probably he did sent him Frank for further development, before recalling him to the Spurs for his definitive “explosion”… :-)

    20. Frank played four years in the NBA, couldn’t crack the rotation on a mostly shitty team, then got no NBA contract offers and will play in Eurocup, where he’ll probably come off the bench.

      -Fin-

    21. The indisputable bottom line is that the Knicks invested major assets in Ntilikina (8th pick) and DSJ (KP trade) and both have failed to get even a minimum NBA deal after they came off of Rookie Scale. Those are two big swing & misses.

    22. From Woj:
      Memphis has agreed to trade forward Juancho Hernangomez to Boston for guards Kris Dunn, Carsen Edwards and a 2026 second-round pick swap, sources tell ESPN.

      The former Boy Wonder is a dealer, I’m not sure he’s a good one…

    23. Ephus,

      You can blame Phil for drafting Frank. After that, there were no good outcomes.

      We didn’t have to pay KP max money, which is a huge win. The cap space allowed us to sign Randolph. Huge win. We got rid of Hardaway, who is fine but that cap space also meant we could get Morris…which netted us a draft pick. If we don’t trade KP and Hardaway, we probably get one of Randolph or Morris but not both and if we got Morris maybe we’re less inclined to trade him? We also got 2 more draft picks out of that trade.

      The bottom line is the mistake was drafting Frank. Why you’re tying the KP trade into that, I don’t know. The KP trade was good bc it meant we didn’t resign KP. That alone made it worth it.

    24. If, theoretically, you’re someone who has spent four years vehemently arguing that Frank Ntilikina has latent powers just waiting to be unleashed and everyone who doesn’t see that is an idiot, him signing overseas should probably be a cause for some reflection.

      Maybe, juuuuuuuust maybe, there are other things you’re wrong about too!

    25. ***I’m probably the only guy on KB (or in the cable tv-watching world?) who hasn’t watched a single episode of either The Sopranos or Breaking Bad.***

      I mean, you’re probably not the ONLY guy.

    26. ***we probably get one of Randolph or Morris but not both***

      Wait, are we still talking about Randolph Morris?

    27. could someone else please chime in on the eventual frank signing somewhere overseas news please…i have more “victory lap” gifs i’d like to use…

      yes, my gif game is mighty strong :)

      and, sadly many of you were spot on correct…

    28. That’s my city. And probably the most beautiful city in the world. :)

      hey soze, how far do you live by the coast? what’s the weather like there? have you ever traveled on the douro river?

    29. Given how little money he’s made so far and his injury history, I think if Mitch passes on a reasonable contract he is a fool. He has made very little money in the NBA so far and while he is still young he isn’t a teenager anymore. A 3 or 4 year deal where he makes 10 to 14 million a year will mean he and his family will never have to worry about money again. And he’d still be young enough at the end of that contract to get another even bigger contract. Passing on that bc he might get traded or could MAYBE get something a little better (but also maybe not) would be beyond dumb. Injury insurance is expensive and would only cover part of what he could lose.

      Yeah, if Leon makes the offer and Mitch rejects it, I have no beef with Rose. He did all he could do. He just hasn’t actually offered it yet, ya know?

    30. maybe waiting to see how he shows up in training camp…do a complete physical, give the coaching staff a chance to talk with him a little more…

    31. Yeah I think they’re definitely waiting for training camp at least for Mitch. I think a lot of it will be based on how he fares against Noel for the starting spot. Last year he won that spot out and was playing well (if limited on offense)., But then when he went down, Noel stepped in and the team didn’t lose a beat. But I also think Mitch would have done much better once Rose showed up. So it will be interesting to see how a healthy Mitch with Kemba and Rose throwing him lobs/running pick and rolls will work. He could blow Noel out of the water or it could be even like last year. I think if he loses the starting spot to Noel, he’s on the way out the door.

    32. hey swift, don’t you live like on the far side of the moon, or omaha or something…what’s that like?

      i always imagined omaha to be a relaxed, modern tech, and friendly place with really good beer…cold though, not sure if it’s colder than upstate new york…

    33. geo: hey soze, how far do you live by the coast? what’s the weather like there? have you ever traveled on the douro river?

      Well, with the exception of 4 years of elementary school that i did in a small village 40 miles from Porto (to keep company to my granddad), but only 2 miles from Douro river, i’ve lived for 35 years at only 1.5 miles from the coast. Now for a little more than a decade, i live on the mountains around Porto, around 13 miles from the coast. But it’s quite easy to move around, in half an hour i get to Porto center.
      Although i lived all my life around Douro river, i’ve never traveled on it. I must check this off my list, it’s good that you reminded me. ;)
      I think you were asking by boat, right? There’s also roads that follow the river, and even a train line which has special old trains for touristic purposes. I just don’t know if they do it all year or only in the summer.

    34. @wojespn
      ESPN Sources: Brooklyn is trading C DeAndre Jordan, four future-second round picks and $5.78M to Detroit for Jahlil Okafor and Sekou Doumbouya. Pistons plan to work through a buyout on two-years, $20M owed Jordan; Nets will save $47M in salary and tax on deal.

    35. Yeah, I live in Omaha.

      Originally from Nashville. Lived in NYC for almost 15 years until 2014. Did the whole acting/comedy thing…worked for Blue Man Group among other things. Performed at The PIT. Moved to LA with my wife in 2014 and lived there for 6 years until we found out she was pregnant. Wife is from Iowa. Originally we were going to stay in LA. I had a good job out there doing group sales for a big theater (The Pantages). But found a ticket sales job at a performing arts venue in Omaha. Closer to family, way less cost of living. So we made the move last year.

      Your description of Omaha is pretty accurate actually. It is sort of an under the radar hipster/tech spot of the midwest (lots of finance too cause of Buffett). Its got a good music/arts scene and cost of living is low (although housing market boomed here last year like everywhere). We just bought a house (got in under the wire with being priced out).

      Nebraska itself is quite boring/flat/conservative but Omaha is cool. Good public schools, good place to raise a family. Fairly progressive. But you are smack dab in the middle of the country. If you’re willing to drive 5 to 8 hours, you can go to a lot of places but there is nothing super cool within 2 to 3 hours.

    36. @wojespn
      ESPN Sources: Brooklyn is trading C DeAndre Jordan, four future-second round picks and $5.78M to Detroit for Jahlil Okafor and Sekou Doumbouya. Pistons plan to work through a buyout on two-years, $20M owed Jordan; Nets will save $47M in salary and tax on deal.

      That’s some fucking damn fine GMing by Marks. Wow. Not a bad return for the Pistons, either, but wow. Heck, while they’re probably just cut Okafor, I could actually see him being somewhat useful for the Nets in a pinch. But really, Sekou Doumbouya is the find of it all. Getting him while saving all of that tax money for four seconds is outstanding work.

    37. @wojespn
      ESPN Sources: Brooklyn is trading C DeAndre Jordan, four future-second round picks and $5.78M to Detroit for Jahlil Okafor and Sekou Doumbouya. Pistons plan to work through a buyout on two-years, $20M owed Jordan; Nets will save $47M in salary and tax on deal.

      Alan:

      Yeah, Sekou is a good flyer for the Nets…
      And the earliest 2nd is the 2022 Nets’ one, so it’s what, the 57th to 60th pick?

      I hate this “make a pleasure” trades that are so common in the NBA,
      WTF, let the Nets strangle themselves with the taxes…

    38. swiftandabundant:
      Yeah, I live in Omaha.

      Originally from Nashville. Lived in NYC for almost 15 years until 2014. Did the whole acting/comedy thing…worked for Blue Man Group among other things. Performed at The PIT. Moved to LA with my wife in 2014 and lived there for 6 years until we found out she was pregnant. Wife is from Iowa. Originally we were going to stay in LA. I had a good job out there doing group sales for a big theater (The Pantages). But found a ticket sales job at a performing arts venue in Omaha. Closer to family, way less cost of living. So we made the move last year.

      Your description of Omaha is pretty accurate actually. It is sort of an under the radar hipster/tech spot of the midwest (lots of finance too cause of Buffett). Its got a good music/arts scene and cost of living is low (although housing market boomed here last year like everywhere). We just bought a house (got in under the wire with being priced out).

      Nebraska itself is quite boring/flat/conservative but Omaha is cool. Good public schools, good place to raise a family. Fairly progressive. But you are smack dab in the middle of the country. If you’re willing to drive 5 to 8 hours, you can go to a lot of places but there is nothing super cool within 2 to 3 hours.

      I passed through Lincoln on my way to LA from NY last winter. My wife absolutely fell in love with the place. We hit so many hidden gems like Iowa city and lindsborg. The Midwest rules.

    39. It is sort of an under the radar hipster/tech spot of the midwest

      i don’t remember why, but, pretty sure i went through there with my family back in the 70’s…what’s stayed in my memory all these years was a trip to the supermarket there and thinking it was like something from the jetsons…

    40. I hate this “make a pleasure” trades that are so common in the NBA,
      WTF, let the Nets strangle themselves with the taxes…

      Right? Like Memphis’ “Hey, let’s help the Clippers out. Guys like Steve Ballmer never get a break.”

    41. Given how little money he’s made so far and his injury history, I think if Mitch passes on a reasonable contract he is a fool.

      Unfortunately, the juries out on whether he is a fool. This is a guy who spent a year not playing organized basketball because he decided not to go to college at the last minute, didn’t attend the combine on the advice of an agent he soon got rid of, gets manipulated by “friends” to switch agents for their benefit, and who worked with a personal trainer of his choice all last off-season and didn’t seem to benefit much from it. I love watching Mitch, want him on the Knicks, and hope he does great this season; but I have no faith in him making good decisions for himself.

    42. JK47:
      Frank played four years in the NBA, couldn’t crack the rotation on a mostly shitty team, then got no NBA contract offers and will play in Eurocup, where he’ll probably come off the bench.

      -Fin-

      This is a little unfair to Frank. He did actually crack the rotation on a shitty Knicks team, he just couldn’t do it on a good Knicks team.

    43. The thing that I don’t get is that doing this the small market/low spending teams never get better,
      this is an advantage only to big market/mega spending juggernauts…

      It’s one of the things (with all the buyouts buffoonery) that helps keep the NBA’s “caste system” alive.
      It’s so weak…

    44. Sekou Doumbouya is the find of it all.

      i dunno i’d be surprised if it’s about doumbouya. i kinda doubt they’ll even pick up his 4th year? he’s not likely to play much if he makes the roster. i watched his debut and he looked really good. but he’s looked fairly horrible since.

    45. i dunno i’d be surprised if it’s about doumbouya. i kinda doubt they’ll even pick up his 4th year? he’s not likely to play much if he makes the roster. i watched his debut and he looked really good. but he’s looked fairly horrible since.

      Sorry, it is probably more fair to say that the trade was “all about dumping Jordan’s salary,” but I mean that I think they were specifically looking to acquire Doumbouya, while Okafor will probably just get cut, so my “all about” was more to differentiate Doumbouya from Okafor.

    46. I didn’t watch Doumbouya at all, but unless stats are horribly wrong in this case, he’s worse than Frank and won’t be around when his rookie contract ends.

    47. Terrific piece, Alan. Like Jowles, this project did not seem like a winner to me. Akin to fanfic, where tearing open the toy (thus breaking the toy) to see how it works is the point of the thing. But the piece did stir my interest a bit and I wound up being interested in the subject. And I can’t blame David Chase since getting money to produce any picture that doesn’t involve goddamn Superheroes is impossible to get more than $5 million for.

      Alan:
      Hey guys, one more shameless Sopranos plug: my profile of Michael Gandolfini, who had the impossible job of following in his late father’s footsteps to play the young Tony Soprano in The Many Saints of Newark. I busted my ass on this piece, and I think it turned out really well.

    48. Apropos of nothing but I saw the Tsitsipas v Alcaraz tennis match live at the US Open today and it was totally bananas. Best match I have ever seen. Tsitsipas was the third seed and Alcaraz is a hyped 18 year old who delivered the goods. Played just unbelievably good tennis and the crowd, other than my wife, got behind him in an amazing way.

      Definitely check out his highlights and Carlito’s next match if you are a tennis fan.

    49. I agree that trading KP so that the Knicks would not sign him to his current 25% Max contract was a good thing. But he had real trade value at the time. The Knicks spent that asset on cap space (which basically turned into IQ when all the trades are traced out, because KD and Kylie were not coming), salary filler, 2 late First round picks and DSJ. There were other trades available, but the Knicks thought they could make DSJ into a real starting PG. That was a big swing & miss.

      The saving grace is that they traded DSJ for Rose, who was great last year. I have high hopes that he will be a very strong 22 mpg 6th man, who can take on more responsibility if Walker needs to rest.

      As nice as Rose is, he is not the asset that the Knicks thought DSJ would be.

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