Knicks Morning News (2021.08.31)

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    1. Nice to see Taj back!

      RE Mets. My wife’s brother is a huge Cubs fan. He was thrilled when the Cubs got Pete Crow-Armstrong for Baez and Williams. What’s amazing to me about the whole “thumbs down gesture to boo the fans” thing is that Baez actually admitted it to the media. In his brief time with the Mets he appears to be hot-headed with a terrible approach at the plate (try to hit a massive HR on every swing). Very interesting to see what happens today.

      I think booing your own team players is stupid, but it happens in lots of places…and when a team has had such a bad month as the Mets in August and an offense so bad all season, well… And Lindor’s hitting has been meh or worse going on 600 at bats, now, over two seasons. Dude needs to hit much better and the boos will cease for him.

      The thing that saddens me is, even with the Wilpons and Brody gone, the Mets FO continues to still make real bad decisions. Meet the New Mets…same as the Old Mets.

    2. I was at the last regular season game vs. the Hawks and then 2 home playoff games and I remember thinking to myself how great it would be to have a player like Bogdan on our team. Then it occurred to me that Fournier seems roughly similar to Bogdan, so I pulled up this comparison and was surprised to see how statistically similar they were last year, and that Fournier was actually 2 months younger than Bogdan. That made me feel even more positively about having Fournier in the fold on his contract, which is also almost an exact match except for some leveling a team option instead of a player option.

    3. Javy Baez is … not my kinda guy. Still, PCA is damaged goods and has a fairly weak offensive profile. Most prospects don’t fulfill their potential so no bravery in making that prediction but to me, the Mets did not send away a prize of their farm system.

      I think a lot of lolMets has to do with their presentation in the media. Yeah weird stuff happens around the Mets but is it truly at a higher rate than the other clubs? I only follow the Mets closely but organized baseball runs from February to October. A major league roster has ~35 people moving through it in a season. They play 6 games a week. Weird shit is bound to happen on and off the field.

      The last month has been miserable from a fan perspective but this is a transition year from ownership on down. The Wilpons really are gone and Sandy is not the permanent baseball ops guy. Let Cohen put his front office in place and see what they do.

    4. @Clash, I agree with you about booing your own team, with the possible exception of players who chronically dog it. That said, in NYC baseball it’s part of the culture ( see Boone, Aaron, and Stanton, Giancarlo), so for someone like Lindor, it’s part of what you sign up for when you sign a long term deal.

    5. This was a good Mets team on paper but pretty much nobody on the team has hit worth a shit. Just about every position player is WAY down from his career averages, and none of them are in their decline phase age-wise.

      It’s a massively underachieving team. They’re dead last in the NL in runs scored.

    6. I spent the morning trying to figure out what “star” has played for the Knicks, Lakers, Rockets, Bulls, Kings, and Pacers. I finally gave up and clicked on the link. Turns out it is Metta Sandiford, née Ron Artest. I’m not kicking myself for not getting it because I pretty much forgot he even played for the Knicks at all.

    7. not only do I remember Ron Artest playing for the Knicks, but I remember the day in the summer of 2013 when we excitedly celebrated the fact that he surprisingly cleared waivers after being cut by the Lakers.

      Ron was here for the infamous “did Beno have to throw him the ball? You gotta look at that” season that led to the illustrious Phil Jackson era.

    8. I think Dallas is hoping Reggie will be what they wanted Jason Richardson to be: a better defender than Seth Curry on the wing, but someone who can still hit open 3’s on Luca kickouts. If they’re expecting him to create or do anything other than those two things, they’re asking too much of our former guy.

      That’s all they want or need.

      That’s also why I keep saying they still need a 3rd option. THJ is their 3rd option now, but IMO he’s not consistent enough, doesn’t understand his own limitations well enough at times, and doesn’t defend well enough to be on the court with Doncic given those other limitations. He should be a 6th man.

    9. That’s also why I keep saying they still need a 3rd option.

      They also need a 2nd option.

    10. This is a clip from the SNY broadcast of today’s game where Gary Cohen offers an well-reasoned, levelheaded take on the Mets turning heel on their fans.

      Bullet points:
      – Players these days are coached in more positive, emotionally healthy ways. The age of screaming, berating, or hitting or throwing things is over. This is an unqualified good thing.
      – It may be possible (Cohen’s opinion) that less toxic expressions of anger in coaching may leave players less familiar on how to deal with how unhealthy social media is.
      – Players may start interpreting all negative feedback as the same thing, regardless of whether it’s from social media, fans at the park, or the press.
      – The pandemic has made everyone more isolated, and major league clubhouses are already one of the most insular places in the world. Now players are spending even more time only around each other.
      – The Mets clubhouse have adopted an “us against the world” mentality to deal with their situation.

    11. Strat, who is their second option in your scenario? A certain injury-plagued Eastern European big man whom you will defend to the death? Or have I forgotten someone else on the Dallas roster?

    12. unless kp figures some things out on defense (somehow condition himself to improve on his lateral movement), or, the mavs figure out a way to keep him close by the rim guarding it – kp is gonna have a hard time staying on the court long enough during the playoffs to actually be a viable second scoring option…

      It was a problem, but imo it’s way overblown.

      Rudy Gobert was having all sorts of problems with small ball in the playoffs too. That’s what small ball is about. You make it uncomfortable for the big in the middle because he can’t guard the perimeter as well, can’t make all the switches, can’t move fast enough, and it gets him out of the paint etc..

      The way you stop small ball is by punishing them inside more than they are punishing you by being small. If you are going to use your big man as a floor spacer standing in the corner like some 8 million dollar role player, you are probably going to lose your job as head coach or at least have so much heat put on you you’ll leave on your own. Their playoff strategy was mind numbingly stupid. Now Carlisle and Nelson are out (Haralabos probably next).

      His bigger problem is obviously staying healthy and then getting fit enough to play with energy on both sides for 36 minutes. That’s still a problem for him. He’s wasn’t fit enough to give energy on both sides last year. He got gassed fairly often when he played more than 25 or so minutes. His productivity on both sides would drop or he’d pick one side and disappear on the other. Maybe that anemia issue is still a problem and maybe he’s just always going to be a 25-30 minute a game player even when healthy.

    13. I legit don’t have any problem with Ben Simmons wanting out of Philly after his star teammate and his coach both turned on him, but fuck, dude, you can’t fucking say you want out, that actively hurts their ability to get you out! Such a dummy.

    14. The way you stop small ball is by punishing them inside more than they are punishing you by being small. If you are going to use your big man as a floor spacer standing in the corner like some 8 million dollar role player, you are probably going to lose your job as head coach or at least have so much heat put on you you’ll leave on your own. Their playoff strategy was mind numbingly stupid. Now Carlisle and Nelson are out (Haralabos probably next).

      Porzingis can’t “punish” anyone inside worth a damn. He can’t post up the likes of Marcus Smart on switches. That’s why they had to tell him to stick to his one above-average offensive skill in the playoffs.

    15. The issue with KP is that he looks as overwhelmed as Gobert did against the Clippers against any regular 5-man unit, not just the Clips’ smallball lineup.

    16. i don’t think we’ve had a roster this good heading in to a season since – a while…just yesterday it seemed like we had 20 power forwards on the team – i was pretty sure until very recently we were about to go yet another season without a functional starting point guard…

      obviously none of us have seen the medical evaluations on kemba’s knee to determine any kind of risk assessment – personally, sight unseen, i more than think kemba is worth the risk…i don’t know – 50 games at 2 bpm, 2 vorp…hopefully having kemba and evian on the court helps to elevate both julius’ and RJ’s game…seems our second unit was very competitive since rose’s arrival…

    17. You make it uncomfortable for the big in the middle

      that’s the thing though – kp doesn’t play as a “big in the middle”…he’s like a wing that can’t move, dribble or defend…

      he’s never really been that great a defender – sure, if you have some undisciplined type of team defense and let guys roam around or gamble on steals or whatever, they may make some “spectacular” defensive plays, but, still be a poor defender…

      will see, he’s going on coach number three, let’s see what happens…he’s 26, i’m not sure how much more he’ll improve his “endurance” though…increased conditioning may just put more stress on his body…

    18. “kp doesn’t play as a “big in the middle”…he’s like a wing that can’t move, dribble or defend…”

      I know, let’s sign him to a max contract! Brilliant. Given his attitude and anemia (or whatever his lack of energy is from) all I can say is good riddance.

      Hopefully we’ll get better, but even 70% Kemba is going to help the Knicks offense tremendously. Add in Fournier, improved RJ, and Julius, and Kemba doesn’t have to carry a heavy load most nights, just run the offense and pick the scoring opportunities when presented. I also believe he will be extra motivated playing for the Knicks. The defense likely will take a step back, but the offense should be significantly better.

      Love the depth of this team. it is hard to imagine how quickly they have become a decent team from where they started 2 years ago.

    19. During the US-France Olympic Games, Rudy Gobert showed signs of having a post-up game to punish smaller defenders. If he can score efficiently (1,3 points per possession), small ball no longer works.

      The problem for Dallas is that KP post-ups were incredibly ineffective. He scores less than 1.0 points per possession.

    20. Brian Cronin:
      I legit don’t have any problem with Ben Simmons wanting out of Philly after his star teammate and his coach both turned on him, but fuck, dude, you can’t fucking say you want out, that actively hurts their ability to get you out! Such a dummy.

      I have some sympathy for Simmons. He probably had conversations with team management about leaving but then they set so high an asking price no one was interested in Simmons. And team management and Embiid didn’t talk about him in ways that improved his value either. Simmons probably concluded the team wasn’t going to be able to trade him the way things were going and figured he had to do something.

    21. Simmons will be traded because Philly has no choice. The more upset he is, the less Philly will be able get for him. I hope this keeps dragging on and reduces his value even more.

    22. If you’re Simmons, you see Morey saying “we’re happy to run it back next year with the same team”, you have to be like “hell fucking no, I’m not showing up to training camp and I’m not playing half a season with a team that threw me under the just so you can get the best deal.”

    23. Of course, Simmons’ attitude is great for us. We should all be terrified of Dame and Embiid in Philadelphia. That’s what Morey wants. But Dame isn’t demanding a trade and Portland isn’t ready to throw in the towel.

      Simmons forcing this to happen before the season makes the timing nearly impossible for Philly and Portland to work something out that includes him, and Philly probably can’t pull off the trade without including him.

      So let’s all be on Team Simmons here. He’s just doing what Harden did, anyway.

    24. I did not appreciate until today that the CBA bars the Knicks from trading Julius Randle for six months from the day he signed his extension (because it is for more than 3 years and includes 8% raises). It is not clear to me whether the 6 months will expire before or after the February 10 trade deadline.

      At a minimum, Randle will not be a part of any Ben Simmons trade during the pre-season.

    25. Heard someone on a podcast recently talking about KP’s shooting percentage last season dropping with every additional dribble which was the same problem he had on the Knicks. I thought maybe the Dallas coaches or just playing with maestro like Luka would get him to stop dribbling but it doesn’t seem to have worked out that way.

    26. It’s true that Simmons going nuclear like this makes it harder for Philly to trade him, but it’s hard for me to blame him when Embiid and Doc teed off on him after the loss to the Hawks in an unprecedented fashion for a nominal teammate. It’s not like Philly was in a great position before today anyway, specifically because they did that.

      Embiid’s off-the-cuff comment was one thing, but Doc not knowing better after literal decades as a coach and even a stint as a GM is embarrassing.

      The stuff about Maxey is bizarre. Seems like Philly is on the verge of a complete falling out with Klutch. In terms of future earnings, Maxey getting rotation minutes with a contender is seemingly in his interest so I’m not sure what else it could be.

    27. just read the maxey thing…

      i know right, sitting at home wondering how he got dragged in to this drama…

      it’ll be interesting to see if nerlens is successful with his suit against rich paul…

      speaking of taking large sums of money when it’s offered to you – i’d be really surprised if this front office offers mitch a deal he’d sign before the end of the year…this front office is signing team friendly deals (except for that Taj thing, although he’ll probably be more than worth it), and mitch just seems like a guy who would bet on himself…

    28. The lawsuit claims Paul never informed Noel of Philadelphia’s interest in bringing him back—that he later only heard the intel from coach Brett Brown, who said Philly’s front office was unable to reach Paul. The 76ers, and the team’s coaching staff in particular, were indeed interested in Noel before Philadelphia ultimately shifted its pricier sights onto Al Horford, sources confirmed to B/R.

    29. Embiid’s off-the-cuff comment was one thing, but Doc not knowing better after literal decades as a coach and even a stint as a GM is embarrassing.

      They both showed a total lack of foresight, and Doc was especially unprofessional in that he is paid to manage egos, while Embiid is not.

      I understand that emotions were running high, and I doubt anyone in the Sixers’ FO or PR department expected their max player to get thrown under the bus by their supermax player AND their head coach, so it doesn’t surprise me that those comments were not pruned by an even-keeled PR professional ahead of time, but man, if I were Morey, I’d be royally pissed about how Embiid’s and Rivers’ whining about losing will, in part, beget more whining about losing.

    30. I’m wondering if Morey is regretting hiring Doc Rivers yet. I always thought it was a quick and unthinking hire of a coach who isn’t as good as his reputation.

    31. It’s not just that Rivers dissed a player publicly; part of his job is to keep the team feeling and acting like a team and he failed spectacularly at this

    32. So, in the middle of a process on how he doesn’t manage all his clients best interests, Rich Paul uses Maxey against Philly when the player could be in line to inherit the starting PG spot and thus be on his way to a big contract? And Maxey agrees with this? I’m baffled.

    33. Five people I don’t have much professional respect for are Rich Paul. Daryl Morey, Joel Embiid, Doc Rivers and Ben Simmons. And after cutting Hinkie loose before letting him finish the plan he was competently executing, Philly is reaping what it has sown.

      Man, it’s nice to see that the circus has moved on to another city.

    34. Maybe the best hope for Morey right now is Sacramento. Simmons for Fox, Hali and some picks? Would Sac do it? I hope not, because that would be a good return, and for the Knicks the least the return they get, the better.

    35. cybersoze:
      Is it me, or is Dallas in line for a rude awakening if they think the problem was Carlisle?

      Carlisle is an excellent coach, but sometimes that’s the easiest thing to change when there’s dysfunction. Kidd is a curious choice….maybe he’s been humbled enough to not be who he was last time and he does have a great basketball mind. But yeah, they have big problems beyond coaching, including a 7’3″ problem.

    36. cybersoze:
      Maybe the best hope for Morey right now is Sacramento. Simmons for Fox, Hali and some picks? Would Sac do it? I hope not, because that would be a good return, and for the Knicks the least the return they get, the better.

      I doubt it, he wouldn’t really help SAC all that much if they have to give up Fox.

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